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A54014 The discoverer discovered; or, The lot cast, T.C. taken, and the Babylonish garment found hid under his stuff Being a reply to a late pamphlet, entituled, A discovery of the accursed thing, &c. subscribed T.C. With some remarks upon two papers of John Penny man's. By E.P. Penington, Edward, 1667-1701. 1695 (1695) Wing P1143; ESTC R217510 24,798 49

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denying the Power thereof From such says he turn away Now I hope T. C. will readily grant that the Age wherein we live ought to be reckoned amongst the last Days therefore if VV. B. by frequent Experience as well as credible Information had ground to believe G. K. one of those sort of Men wherein did he amiss And if the Meeting were of the same Opinion which had they not been I suppose they would hardly have broke up for his saying Pass away Friends wherein could they have better demonstrated their Obedience to the Apostles Exhortation Or wherein have they deviated from the Rule the Apostle gave them to walk by in such a Case Though truly it is a question to me I must confess whether G. K. deserve the Character of having the Form of Godliness I know many are satisfied he hath not the Power of Godliness perhaps some of his Hearers at Harp-lane He tells his Reader They Preach this and they Print the other but doth not Name who Preached nor who Printed a Man may suppose by his Method of Writing that every Individual Person of his so called Chief Priests and Rulers before-named have both Preached and Printed what he there offers for he is not so kind as to Name either Persons or Books which shews him an apt Scholar under his new Master viz. his highly applauded Restorer of sound Doctrine G. K. for he has exactly learnt his Method of imposing his say so upon his Reader without affording him Opportunities of examining the Quotations by telling him where he may find them which fault I have to object against him not only in this place but also in other parts of his Paper as I shall have occasion to remark by and by But pray where is the Heresie in asserting ' That the Jews never saw the World's Saviour Was he not God as well as Man Had the Godhead no share in mans Salvation but the Manhood only Or was the Name Saviour more eminently appropriated to the Manhood If the Jews had seen him to be what he was viz. the Saviour of the World had they Crucified the Lord of Life and Glory 1 Cor. 7 8 No surely for though they with their outward Eyes saw the Man Jesus and his Miracles too yet the Eyes of their minds were blinded so as they could not see the life that dwelt in him but denied it which was revealed to the true believers and which John testified they saw 1 John 1.2 and consequently did not see him to be the world's Saviour And as to his affirming That the Quakers distinguish the Lord Jesus from Christ and mean something in him and the Light in every Man 't is his own false construction for they do assert That Jesus of Nazareth who was both God and Man was and is the Light of the World and that the rays or beams of Light which proceed from him the Sun of Righteousness shine into the Hearts of all Mankind and that Christ and his Light are not divided but what he did outwardly in the Flesh and what he doth inwardly in Spirit in the inward parts of the rue believers is the efficient cause of their Salvation and he whole Christ undivided is the hope of their Glory But to make the Quakers amends for the other injuries he hath done them he will now bring them into good Company for no less then the Apostle John must be erroneous to prove them so too and for my part I had rather be a Heretick in Company with the Apostle John then Orthodox with T. C. But a Man might think how angry so ever he might be with the Apostle John for siding with the Quakers and affording them such erroneous stuff as that of hearing seeing and handling the word of God he needed not have set old friends variance and make as if the Apostle Peter preach't another Gospel then the Apostle John they agreed very well while living and why should their Epistles differ now they are dead Oh! T. C. wants a flyng at The Saints c. Communion c. and rather then he 'l want it long he 'l e'ne quote 1 Pet. 1.8 in opposition to what the Author of the said Book asserts from 1 John 1.1 But for all T. C. and whatever he can do or say they are still at agreement with each other and the Quakers with them both and so are like to continue when T. C. and his abettors viz. the whole Gang of Apostatized Opposers may be gone to their place And the Foundation whereon they build and they fix't and established thereon will stand all the Storms which either Battering Rams by lies and slanders or The Painted Harlot either maskt or Vnmaskt by her bewitching Sorceries may be permitted to raise Yea though the Watchmen of the Night whom he would awake out of their slumber to his assistance may stumble in the dark yet the Light he so much contemns will shine more and more to the discovering of his confused works and to the finding out ' in whose Camp it is that The Accursed thing has been hid Well though he affirms the Quakers to be erroneous it seems he was so himself once if we may take his own confession for true and did not so fully see the danger thereof till convinced by G. K's I suppose effectual preaching though perhaps F. B's elaborate writings might have a share in opening his eyes then now it seems he is got upon the stool of Repentance but he must give me leave to think that for all what that Paper offers of any convincing Argument to the contrary it would be well for him to Repent of this his Repentance for if it produce no better effect than such a malicious bundle of stuff as that one Sheet contains I cannot nor I believe many other sober People even of those who go not under the profession of a Quaker who may happen to wast time in perusing it look upon it to be the repentance never to be Repented of But whatever he the Accuser may formerly have been that doth not make the accused so too without more proof then he hath hitherto produced in his patched and peiced stretched or curtailed Quotations Neither I suppose do the Christian Quakers look upon him F. B. or G. K. either to be fit Persons to make their Confessors nor either D. S. or his friend G. W. proper advocates to plead their cause for them They all and every of them being no better then Renegadoes who joyn with our Adversaries in that both by sly Insinuations and openly Printed slanders as much as in them lyes they give away the cause and grant what the most malicious Antagonists could never yet prove which could they have done they would not have left so long undone But to proceed In page second amongst divers gross reflections and vile slanders with which his Pamphlet doth so abound that it would be endless to trace him through them all and as it were interwoven
therewith he gives us a kind of confession of Faith but so worded as if he thereby meant to exalt the humanity of Christ above the Divinity and plainly undervalues the Light in every Man much like the old Professours and truly puts so mean a price on it as to its sufficiency as less could not well be unless he had added their thread-bare Epithets of Natural and Diabolical He says And whatsoever my lot may be from you I am satisfied greater is he in whom I believe and trust even the same Jesus of Nazareth whom you term Vessel Garment c. then the Light in every Man in the World And a little lower for my trust and hope is in the mercy of God for the sake of my Lord Jesus of Nazareth without me and his Obedience and Sufferings c. Now pray Observe he esteems the Body which the Father prepared for the Son wherein to do the Fathers will Heb. 10.5.7 greater than the word which was in the beginning with God and was God John 1.1 In whom was Life and the Life was the Light of Men. v. 4. and who was the true Light which Lighteth every Man that cometh into the world v. 9. But to make this the more clear Pray what was that which they term Vessel Garment c. ' On whom only T. C. fixes his Faith and relies on for Salvation My Father I. P. at whom T. C. designs this flurt says Part 2. p. 19. of the Collection of his works Now the Scriptures do expresly distinguish between Christ and the garment which he wore between him that came and the Body in which he came between the substance which was vailed and the vail which vailed it Lo I come a Body hast thou prepared me There is plainly he and the Body in which he came There was the outward Vessel and the inward Life This we certainly know and can never call the bodily Garment Christ but that which appeared and dwelt in the Body Now if ye indeed know the Christ of God tell us plainly what that is which appeared in the Body Whether that was not the Christ before it took up the Body after it took up the Body and for ever Whereby it appears to me that it is on the outward Man of Christ without respect to that which dwelt therein Col. 2.19 which my Father here terms Vessel Garment c. which T. C. relies on for Salvation If that be not his sentiments let him lay his matters more closely together another time and not let his malice carry him so far into an extream on that hand whilst he is labouring to prove those he quarrels with guilty of an extream on the other hand He proceeds I am not ashamed of this my belief and hope in him whom ye contemn Truly if he were not quite shameless he might be ashamed that he who hath been a hearer of the Quakers above Thirty years should now dare to say that they contemn Jesus Christ whom he can't but have heard frequently preached amongst them not only as he appears in Spirit but likewise as he became Man was born of the Virgin Mary Suffered under Pontius Pilate was Crucified Dead and Buried rose again the third day and ascended into Heaven and Sits on the Right Hand of the Majesty on High from whence he shall come to Judge both the quick and the dead Therefore he is the more inexusable in that he cannot plead ignorance so I shall Charge it upon him as a wilful Error and that a very vile and gross one too I must needs say he don't go about to Cloake it so as barefac'd slander I return it back upon him to see whether or no it will yet make him blush But now his hand is in he scribbles on and tumbles them out thick and threefold as much without fear as wit says he p. ibid. You preach a Christ Crucified in him c. But the Author of this Doctrine being nameless I suppose he has forgot who it was and truly I cannot blame him for forgetting what I believe never had any other Foundation then meer imagination Next comes something in Print there I 'le believe him for I read it in a Paper subscribed T. C. but where else to find it I can't tell for my part therefore since he hath not vouchafed to instruct me in that point I shall for all his Capital letter'd remarks take no farther notice of it at present only that there are so many Scratches one at the end of almost every sentence that I question not but he has severly mangled that quotation and that openly appears without any Mistery to be no part of a good Christian Page 3. He smooths over F. B's Mock Pillory and speaks I doubt not more then he is able to prove as in relation to the prosecution of F. B. if by they he means the Quakers But as to G. K's and his adherents sufferings he has got a pretty faculty of magnifying them which if he be not able to make good as there exprest by my consent he shall stand on F. B's Pillory next time as a false accuser instead of those Twelve In short that whole Paragraph savours of Tertullus's Spirit though not of his Eloquence in endeavouring to perswade the Overseers as he calls them that the Quakers aim at the subversion of the Faith the contrary whereof is most true As to his many Quotations out of G. F's Great Mystery I have spent some time in examining them and find some of them so sound that he hath not been able to corrupt them and truly I admire to what end he Transcribed those unless it were to shew us that he cannot bear sound Doctrine when G. F. is the Publisher of it But for the most part he hath grosly misrepresented abused misquoted curtailed and misapplied passages which in themselves taking them as they stand in the Book would not admit of such Constructions as he puts upon them too large to be here recited but for a taste I here present the Reader with the following Observations wherein I have endeavoured to rescue them from the false Glosses he puts upon them In his third page that he may not come behind the very worst of the Opposers and Slanderers of that Eminent Servant of Christ now at rest he saith G. Fox being charged to have said He was Christ he answers It was a Lie but saith Christ in the Male or Female if he speak he was Christ the Seed and the Seed was Christ But he said he did not speak it as a Creature p. 299. Whereupon T. C. makes this Remark I take him to mean It was not the Creature G. F. but Christ in him that said He was Christ But if I should tell him That 't is either his shortness of Understanding or aboundings of Malice against G. F. that makes him run into this mistake I know not how he would take it but however that is the true state of the