that are not written Joh. 20. 30. and Joh. 21. 25. To this I say It s an easie matter for Intruders to ask unlearned and unnecessary Questions whereof this is one of those many other Signs and Things that Jesus did it s said If they should be written every one I suppose that even the World it self could not contain the Books Joh. 20. 25. how then should this Querist be capable to contain them I suppose he doth not think himself able to contain more then the World it self If he saith it is an hiperbolical Expression then is his Question hiperbolical to be sure And if we cannot give him Account of all those Signs and things in particular while we are not sollicitous to know them nor do we think it needful is that any valid Plea or Proof against the Sufficiency of the Light within or Spirits Teaching Would such an Argument against the Scriptures being the Rule please him because they contain not all that was done God gives us to know what 's sufficient and necessary for Life and Salvation by his Light within But if the Word contain 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be taken for to understand as Mat. 19. 11. to comprehend Job 21 25. Then in that Sence there 's far more written in the Scriptures already then either our Opposer or his Brethren can either comprehend or understand and therefore it s a busie Intrusion and Cavil in them to query for more while they oppose the true Light within and will not believe in it nor depend upon the Immediate Teachings of the Spirit of Truth from whence the holy Scriptures proceeded but dark they are and more grosly dark and confused they are like to be who persist in that gain-saying Spirit of Prejudice and Enmity against the Light of Truth which I desire the Lord to give them a Sight and Sence of unto Repentance rather then they should perish in their perverse Gain-sayings THE Angry Anabaptist Proved BABYLONISH IN Answer to Henry Grigg's Pamphlet stiled The Baptist not Babylonish Wherein Whilst he endeavours to reconcile his Contradictions in his Book Entituled Light from the Sun c. Charged upon him in a Paper Entituled The Babylonish Baptist He is run into more Contradictions Absurdities and false Accusations against the People of God called Quakers and their Principles By G. W. Ex ore tuo te judicabo Printed in the Year 1673. The Heads of the following Treatise I. OF the Light of the Eternal Word in Man and the Anabaptist confounded about it II. The Sufficiency of the Light within to reveal God Christ c. III. The Effect of Christ's Sufferings only known in his Light within IV. The saving Work of the Spirit V. How the Light in Man is a Gift and H. G' s Distinction between the Meritorious and Instrumental Cause of Salvation examined VI. The Lord's Supper in the Type and in the Anti-Type the Shadow and Substance distinguished VII The Anabaptist's Imposition about their Shadowy Baptism VIII Their Definition of the true Saviour and his Being IX The Hypostatical Union X. His Charge against the Quakers Principles and Doctrines of the Light within proved impure vile and ignorant and the Spirituality Divinity and Sufficiency of the Light within further asserted XI His sad and impious Prayer against the Light in all which Light is proved of the same Nature or kind with the Witness in Believers XII His groundless Comparison and Distinction between the Light of God in man and the Light of Christ or Gospel further refuted XIII His belying us with denying the Man Christ Jesus to â—…loak his own Absurdity and Ignorance of Christ and his Being XIV That scriptural Distinction between the Eternal Son of God and the Body prepared for him further maintained and the Anabaptist's persecuting Spirit reviling and traducing the Inocent reproved XV. A Warning and Reproof to Hen. Grigg c. XVI The Baptist's nine Questions answered THE Angry Anabaptist Proved BABYLONISH IN Answer to H. G's Pamphlet stiled The Baptist not Babylonish WHereas H. G. pretends he hath set down my Animadversions upon his Contradictions in order exactly after my own Fashion pag. 1. I say this is not true he hath left out the latter part of five of them which it appears did pinch him Therefore I shall represent to the Reader his Contradictions with my Animadversions and the Stress of his Exceptions whereby he would endeavour to make People believe he hath not contradicted himself but that we must refer to the Impartial Readers to judge of in the Light of Truth I. Of the Light of the Eternal Word in Man and the Anabaptist confounded about it HEnry Grigg saith viz. I utterly deny that this Light which all Men have from the Glorious Creator is a saving Light pag. 8. of his Book called Light from the Sun of Righteousness H. G. in Contradiction saith I really believe that the Lord Jesus Christ AS the Eternal Word hath given Light or enlightneth all Men and Women that come into the World p. 8. G. W. his Animadversion The Light or Life of the Eternal Word which is the Light of Men Joh. 1. 4. is spiritual and divine as is that Word and therefore saving to all that truly obey it H. G. replyes It seems to me as if this Man had lost his Common Reason because I deny that the Light which is in all Men is a saving Light and yet say I really believe all have a Light in them from Christ considered as Creator This cannot be a Contradiction unless he can prove there is no Light proceeding from the Eternal Word as Creator but what is saving p. 2. G. W. answereth Whilst he would insinuate that the Light in every Man is created or a Creature he meerly beggs the Question and still remains in his self-Contradiction for he dare not say That AS the Eternal Word Jesus Christ is a Creature Neither is his Light that proceedeth from him as that Word created any more then that Life which was in him which Life was the Light of Men will they say this is either created or natural As the Eternal Word is divine so is the Light or immediate Shining thereof in Man's Conscience H. G. What though it be granted that the Light which all Men that come into the World are lighted which flows from the Eternal Word and so is spiritual must it needs therefore be a saving Light Was not the Law given forth on Mount Sinai a Light of or come from the Eternal Word and doth not Paul say that the Law is spiritual Rom. 7. 14. and yet a Ministration of Death 2 Cor. 3. 7. and that killed and in other places that there was no Justification by it G. W. Answer 1. If it be a spiritual Light in Man proceeding and flowing from the Eternal Word it must therefore be the Eternal Word that immediately shineth in Man's Heart which is not created nor natural for all have not
It is a vile and wicked thing to say it is the Lord Jesus Christ the Lamb of God the great Prophet God promised to raise up 2. It is a vile Error to say it is the holy Spirit or blessed Comfortor for that Christ sâ—…ith the World could not receive Answ. H. G. should have been so ingenuous as to have cited the Quakers Books and pages first to prove these to be their Doctrines and Principles and that in their own very Words before he had so severely charged their Doctrines and Principles about the Light of Christ in every man which till he doth I must deny him to be either an impartial or true Stater of our Principles and state them in our own Words as 1st We confess that Jesus Christ as the Eternal Word enlightens every Man with his own divine Light or Life which gradually appears in Man and shews it self by Measure but God gave not the Spirit by Measure unto Jesus Christ the great Prophet therefore we do not call every Appearance of Light the whole Christ And according to H. G's Definition of Jesus Christ as consisting of human Flesh and Bone he is not in any Man but we knowing him after the Spirit and that he is God over all he is spiritually in his Saints in Union with them and known to them and his Presence is unlimitted he was in the World and the World knew him not whose Presence enlightens Man-kind with an immediaâ—…e Light from himself which is able to reveal Christ himself as he is only peculiarly revealed in the Saints who have obeyed his Light 2. The Gift Enjoyment and indwelling of the holy Spirit as Comforter is a peculiar and glorious Manifestation of Life only received by those that obey the Measure of that spiritual and divine Light within which is freely given of God to all wherein they thaâ—… wait upon God obtain more Power and Vertue from him who giveth the holy Spirit to them that truly ask him from a Sence of its Vertue and Light within in which they are only capable of receiving the powrings forth of the holy Spirit and abundant Shedding thereof on them as those that receive the Measure of his Discovery or Appearance in them And though the rebellious World doth not receive or accept of this holy Spirit nor see his Glory as an indwelling Comforter yet some enlightning Appearances and Operations thereof do at times reach the men of the World to their Conviction and Reproof often striving with Man to perswade him out of his Sins and Iniquities And if the holy Spirit be God his Spirit is unlimitable filling Heaven and Earth c. Whether shall I go from thy Spirit or whether shall I flee from thy Presence see Psa. 139. 7 8 9. and his Presence is to Man an enlightning Presence and Thine incorruptible Spirit is in all things therefore thou chasteneth them measurably by putting them in remembrance of the things wherein they have offended that leaving Wickedness they may believe in thee O Lord. 3. H. G. Abominable it is to say 't will cleanse from all Sin and eternally save those that obey it p. 18. Answ. The Life which is the Light of Men is both cleansing saving in the least degree of it to them that obey it and it doth not in the least deny Christ to be the Saviour to say that his Life or Light in Man is saving being divine and that by which the obedient come to know and follow Christ and thereby receive the Light of Life and Power to become the Sons of God and the Kingdom of God which Christ said is within you is compared to a little Leaven a grain of Mustard-Seed which therefore hath a seasoning and growing Vertue in it he said believe in the Light that ye may be the Children of the Light and this Light Men ought to walk in of which it s said as yet ye have a little Light in you as some read it walk while ye have the Light and in walking in the Light the Blood of Jesus Christ is received which cleanseth from all sin 1. Were it not a vile Error for any to affirm that that Life which is the Light of Men is neither Divine nor a Saving Light of Christ or Holy Spirit in any Degree of it 2. And art not thou H. G. vile and wickedly erronious to give out such Language as This Wile of Satan and Cheat of Anti-christ that appears blasphemously to reflect upon the Light and Power within as before in calling it a Wile of Satan and Cheat of Anti-christ to cry up Light and Power within And now to refuse believing in the Light which enlightens every Man that cometh into the World for Life and Salvation p. 19 though it be the Word which is Christ that so enlightneth every Man XI His sad and impious Prayer against the Light in all which Light is proved of the same Nature or kind with the Witness in Believers H. G. GOd forbid that I should ever own their Principle of Light in all that doth so clearly tend to the racing out the grand Fundamentals of the Gospel p. 52. H. G. Contrad Praises and Hallelujah to God for ever who hath given us that Witness in our selves of which thou 〈◊〉 est p. 54 55. which Witness his Sister spake of was the Light which reproves for Sin to own and believe in the Light that enlightneth every Man that cometh into the World p. 8. and 29. G. W. Animad See what a sad pass these men are grown to and what kind of Prayers they offer to God against his own Light and witness within and how contrary to the Gospel Spirit and Light they are H. G. Rep. G. W. belics both me and my Sister in what he saith here for the Witness she spoke of is not the Light which reproves for Sin which is in every one that cometh into the World though I confess she bids me believe in the Light that reprovâ—…s for Sin which lighteth every one that cometh into the World 〈◊〉 contrary-wise she mentioned the Words of the Apostle John 1 Joh. 5. 10. He that believeth hath the Witness in himself p. 19. To this I answer Let all moderate and impartial Readers both thy Sister and others judge whether I have belyed thee or her in this Matter And how quarelsome and peevish thou art could she intend contrary-wise or another of this Witness of God then of that Light which enlightneth every one that cometh into the World Thou shouldst have asked thy Sister if she doth not own the true Light that enlightens every Man and the Witness oâ—… Word which he that believeth hath in himself to be one and the same And hast not thou confest that Christ AS the Eternal Word enlightens every Man which he that believeth hath in himself as having through the Light given received Christ the faithful and true Witness who stands at the door of Man's Heart and knocketh so as in
So that a Sincere Faith in and Obedience to the Light of Christ as it shines in the Heart whereby to give the Living and Experimental Knowledge of the Glory of God unto the Creature is the Way to be Redeemed from Darkness and to be made a Child of Light or that there is Power and Vertue Sufficient in the Light to Ransom the Souls of such as diligently adhere to it from under the Power of Darkness For as the true Knowledge of God is Life Eternal so whatever may be known of God is manifested within which Manifestation cannot properly be without the Light whose peculiar Property it is to Discover Reveal or Manifest the Mind and Will of God to Mankind as saith the Apostle For whatsoever doth make Manifest is Light In him was Life and that Life was the Light of all Men But not therefore the Life of all Men Spiritually and Unitedly considered That was the peculiar Priviledge of those who Believ'd in it and walkt up to it There is a great Difference not in the Principle but in its Appearance to Man as Life and Light Such as believe in it IT What the Word-God who is that true Light as he appears to Discover or Illuminate the Heart and Conscience do really know and enjoy a new Nature Spirit and Life And in that Sense it may be said As the Life became the Light so the Light became the Life again Who so follows me shall not walk in Darkness but have the Light of Life Not that there is a Difference or so much as a Descent in Kind from Life to Light only in Operation with respect to Man For as it is the very Life of the Word in the Word it is the Light of Men and so much it is let them reject the Vertue of it if they will But as it is received and believed in It begets Life Motion Heat and every Divine Qualification suitable to the State of the New Birth And thus the Life of the Word which is in common the Light becomes the Life of every such Particular by communicating to or ingenerating Life in the Soul so that no more he lives but Christ the Word-God whom he hath now put on and who is become his very Life as well as Light that dwelleth in him Let not Men then in their Dark Imaginations with their Rob'd Knowledge from the Letter of the Scriptures themselves contend against the Sufficiency of what they obey not neither have seriously tryed the Power Vertue and Efficacy of it which brings Salvation to as many as are turned to it and abide in it And indeed so express are the Scriptures in Defence of the Sufficiency and Necessity of the Light to Salvation that it seems to have been the great Intendment of our Lord Jesus Christ in delegating his Disciples to preach his Everlasting Gospel viz. That they might open the Eyes of People and turn them from Darkness to the Light and from the Power of Satan unto God that they might receive Remission of Sins and an Inheritance among them that are Sanctified through Faith that is in Me who ME that am both the Light of the World and the Power of God unto Salvation Now certainly the Eyes that were then blind were not the Natural but Spiritual Eyes of Men and such must the Darkness and Light be also blinded by the God of this World who raigned in the Hearts of the Children of Disobedience No Wonder then if the Light was not comprehended of the Darkness and that blind People did not see the Light but it plainly proves That Light there was though not seen Now the Work of the Powerful Ministry of the Apostles was To open the Blind or Dark Eye which the God of the World had blinded and then to turn them from that Darkness to the Light the Darkness was within so must the Light have been since the Illumination was there necessary where the Darkness had been predominant Consequently The Way to be Translated from Satan's Power to God to have Remission of Sins and an Inheritance with them that are Sanctified is to be turned from the Darkness in the Heart unto the Marvelous Light that had long shined uncomprehended to wit the GOSPEL which is called both the Light and Power of God The same Apostle in his Epistle to the Romans is more express concerning the holy Nature and Efficacy of the Light to Salvation when he thus exhorts them The Night is far spent the Day is at hand Let us therefore cast off the Works of Darkness and put on the Armour of Light Let us walk honestly as in the Day not in Rioting and Drunkenness not in Chambring and Wantonness not in Strife and Envy but put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and make no provision for the Flesh to fulfill the Lusts thereof From whence I shall briefly remark three Things greatly to our Purpose and the Truths Defence in this Matter 1. That there is an absolute Opposition betwixt Light and Darkness as Darkness can only Vail the Light from the Understandings of Men So Light only can Discover and Dispel that Darkness Or thus That the Light Manifests and Condemns the Works of Darkness for what Communion hath Light with Darkness 2. That in the Light there is ARMOUR which being put on is able to Conquer the Darkness and Secure the Soul from the evil of it otherwise it would be very strange that the Apostle should exhort the People to put it on 3. That putting on the Armour of the Light and putting on the Lord Jesus Christ the Light of the World are Synonimous or one and the same thing for it is for one and the same End as may be observed from the Words Let us put on the Armour of Light and walk Honestly as in the Day not in Rioting and Drunkenness not in Chambring and Wantonness not in Strife and Envying But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and make no provision for the Flesh to fulfil the Lusts thereof I hope then Neither will it be disallow'd that Christ is that Light with which Men are Inlightned but more of that anon nor is that Light Men are exhorted to Obey a Naked and Insufficient but a Searching Expelling Powerful and Arming Light against Darkness and all its Unfruitful Works and consequently SAVING Thus the Beloved Disciple testifies very emphatically in his first Epistle where he gives us a Relation of the Apostolical Mission This then is the Message which we have heard of him and declare unto you That God is Light and in him is no Darkness at all if we say we have Fellowship with him and walk in Darkness we Lye and do not the Truth But if we walk in the Light as he is in the Light we have Fellowship one with another and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all Sin Here is a brief Stating of the whole Great Case of Salvation 1. What God
the Righteousness of God reveal'd from Heaven against all Ungodliness and Unrighteousness of Men who hold the Truth in Unrighteousness Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it unto them For the Invisible Things of Him from the Creation of the World are clearly seen being understood by the Things that are made even his Eternal Power and God-head so that they are without Excuse because that when they knew God they Glorified him not as God neither were Thankful but became Vain in their Imaginations and their Foolish Hearts were Darken'd And even as they did not like to Retain God in their Knowledge God gave them over to a Reprobate Mind to do those things which are not Convenient These Notable Lines of that Great Apostle give an apparent Overthrow to all Objections against either the Universality or Sufficiency of the Light within which will be further manifest if the Reader be but pleas'd to observe these few Particulars 1. That in the Gospel of Christ is the Righteousness of God revealed and that from Faith to Faith 2. That this Faith the Just have ever lived by for he quotes a Time past as it is written which Writing was about 700. Years before he wrot that Epistle 3. That many had degenerated from the Righteousness of God to wit the Gentiles into Ungodliness against which the Wrath of God was revealed from Heaven 4. That they however once knew the Truth 5. That they came to the Knowledge of this Truth from the Manifestation of God who is Light within since what might be known of God was manifested in them because God had shewed it unto them 6. That the Cause of their after Darkness was their Rebelling against that Manifestation or Light not Glorifying the God that shewed it to them when they both saw it and knew him so to do Consequently that God had given them Light Sufficient both to know and obey him And since they liked not to retain God in their Knowledge the Deficiency was theirs and not the Light 's 7. If therefore their foolish Hearts were darkned that is by Disobedience it follows that therefore that Darkness came by Sin into their Hearts they had Light in their Hearts or a Light within 8 Lastly If the Wrath was therefore revealed because the hold the Truth in Unrighteousness and when they knew God by that Manifestation of Light within they glorified him not as God but became vain in their Imaginations and their foolish Hearts darkned Then certainly had they kept to that Principle call'd the Truth and the Manifestation of God within and preserv'd their Faith in God as he had reveal'd himself to them So glorifying him as God and delighting to retain him in their knowledge Not Wrath but Mercy â—…nd Peace had been revealed from Heaven as saith the same Apostle in his following Chapter to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for Glory and Honour and Immortality ETERNAL LIFE In short This we may safely conclude that the Righteousness 〈◊〉 in the Gospel of Christ of which Paul was not ashamed from Faith to Faith by which Faith he 〈◊〉 the Just Ancients lived or were accepted is One in Nâ—…ture though not in Degree with that TRUTH the Gentiles Apstatized from and therefore lived without Faith Righteousness or God in the World for which the Wrath was revealâ—…d which had they lived up unto glorifying God as God â—…ccording to the Manifestation of himself in their Hearts and Consciences they would have had not the Revelation of Wrath but of the Righteousness of Faith by which the Just in all Ages have liv'd â—…cceptably with God For without Faith can no Man please God in any Age as without Holiness that flows from true Faith to Man shall ever see the Lord. VII And Lastly I do earnestly intreat the Unprejudic'd Reader to observe these two notable Passages which with my Consideration of them shall conclude the Scripture-Proofs I have urg'd for the Universality of the Light and Spirit of God antecedent to Christ's Appearance in the Flesh. Then Peter opened his Mouth and said Of a Truth I perceive that God is no Respecter of Persons but in every Nation He that feareth him and worketh Righteousness is accepted with him For not the Hearers of the Law are Just before God but the Doers of the Law shall be justified For when the Gentiles which have not the Law do by Nature the things contained in the Law these having not the Law are a Law unto themselves which shew the Works of the Law written in their Hearts their Consciences also bearing Witness and their Thoughts the mean while Accusing or Excusing one another in the Day when God shall judge the Secrets of Men by Jesus Châ—…ist according to my Gospel These Scriptures are a severe Check to our Adversaries undervaluing Apprehension of the blessed Light of God and that will appear in several particulars 1. God is no Respecter of Persons in any Nation from whence I honestly conclude that all Persons and Nations were inlightned as well Gentiles as Jews 2. That here are Men not of the Circumcision made with hands who fear God work Righteousness and are Doers of the Law not from any outward Obligation â—…or they had none but the inward Work of the Law writ upon 〈◊〉 Hearts which is a Demonstration that they had not only 〈◊〉 Light as a Reprover but as a Teacher and Leader whereby thâ—…y came to fear God and work Righteousness which is else-where said to be the Sum of the Matter and whole Duty of Man 〈◊〉 then no 〈◊〉 that fears God works Righteousness and keeps the 〈◊〉 Law of God as the Scriptures testifie some Gentiles to hâ—…ve done can be said to do so and yet worship false Gods or not riâ—…htly Worship the true one be void of the true Light the most part of T. Hicks his 9th page where he objects the 〈◊〉 Ignorance of the true God against the Sufficiency of the Light within and a Challenge to us to produce one Instance amonâ—… the many Thousands of Mankind that from the Light within hath been reproved for not believing Jesus to be Christ 〈◊〉 as the smoak For though perhaps he thinks he may have done a great deal in making that bold Demand of 〈◊〉 yet I shall briefly tell him that such as lived up most sincerely to the Light in their own Consciences acknowledged most readily that glorious Appearance of Light in â—…hat Body then in the World They were the great Pretenders to Scriptures that would not come to Christ the Traditional Literal and Ordinance-Men that Rejected and Crucified him and that had not both Cornelius and the Centurion with many others been upright Livers to the Light within neither 〈◊〉 Peter been so received by the one nor Christ so follow'd by the other But that measure of the Divine Light which they had thitherto obey'd as the more sure Word of Prophecy lead
in Fundamentals Answ. First we thought that Water-Baptism had been a fundamental Point with the Baptists and do they and Presbyterians agree therein 2. Have not the Baptists whom Presbyterians call Anabaptists been accounted Hereticks by the Presbyterians Why do they now joyn against the Quakers so called 3. Dare he say there are no good People among the Quakers that he makes good People's being among Presbyterians a Reason of his joyning with them against us Is it not easy to see a manifest Dissimulation and feigned Confederacy therein among these our Opposers If our Opposer saith we have not inserted his Explications upon his Assertions Answ. That 's his Work he hath Liberty to do it himself But he hath not done it nor vindicated these his Assertions in his Pamphlet Christ's Light within asserted as it is Divine and therefore a sufficient Rule of Life unto Salvation to all that truely obey it and vindicated from Tho. Hicks his dark Exceptions fallasious and impious Arguments consisting of manifest Ignorance Confusion and Ranterism which are here inserted as they were exhibited in a Paper afterwards owned and signed by him HIs harge against G.W. That George Whitehead affirmed that there was that Light in every Man if followed that was sufficient to Salvation T. Hick's Assertions against this 1. In Answer to which it is asserted that the Light in every Man could not understand the Doctrine of Instituted Worship 2. That the Light in every Man could not understand the Doctrine of Jesus Christ concerning his coming to save Sinners 3. The Light in every Man could not bring him to the Understanding how Sin came into the World 4. The Light in every Man cannot acquaint him with the Knowledge of the Doctrine of the Resurrection of the Dead Reply G. Whitehead still affirms that God hath gratiously afforded that Light to every Man which he ought to follow and is sufficient to guide him to Salvation To his four first Assertions I query Is that Life which is the Light of Men John 1. 4. divine in it self the Light of Jesus Christ as the Eternal Word able to apprehend and bring Man clearly to see the Invisible things of God even his Eternal Power and Godhead as confessed from Rom 1. 19 20. And yet is this Light neither able to understand the Worship that 's due to him the Doctrine of Christ Jesus concerning his coming to save Sinners how Sin came into the World nor yet to acquaint Man with the Knowledge of the Resurrection can the Light apprehend or bring men to see God's Eternal Power and yet neither bring them to understand the Cause of Man's Separation and Death from God nor his Duty or Restoration to God again How manifestly in consistent and contradictory are these and how plainly doth he charge men's Ignorance and Defects for want of Obedience upon the Light within And then what is it given for and what can it do But these Assertions are grounded upon his taking it for granted that it is not a Light of Grace but of Nature when that Life which is the Light of Men is granted to be divine in its own being able to discover the Eternal Power and Godhead then which there is not a higher Power but how this divine Light should become Natural as a Creature we are still to enquire as that which neither T. H. â—…or his Brethren have ever yet proved That the Light within every Man could not be a Rule for it must be a Light of Nature or of Grace This Light cannot be understood the Light of Grace because the Scripture doth suppose a time when Men are without it It is said after those Dayes I will put my Laws in their Hearts and they shall know me that must be the Light of Grace Answ. Where doth the Scripture say that the Life of Christ which was with and in the Father which is the Light of men is the Light of Nature and not a Light of Grace The man in taking this for granted most filthily begs the Question and that contrary to his own Concession before neither doth the Scripture suppose a time wherein Men have no Light of Grace in them as he insinuates but a time when they are out of the New-Covenant and Strangers in their Minds to it as not being come into that Agreement with God or Union with his Light which this Covenant doth import And because the State and Tenour of it is both the having God's Laws written in his People's Hearts and Minds their knowing him to be their God and they to be his People and it s a Covenant of Mercy and Forgiveness of Sins past It doth not therefore follow that none of his Law is in them before they come to this Holy Attainment and Blessed Agreement though his Laws are not so universally written or deeply engraven in their Hearts before for it s now granted by divers of our Opposers who are of the more moderate 1. That the pure or holy Law which God placed in man's Hearts before Transgression was never wholy abliterated though much clouded by man's Disobedience 2. Some of these Anabaptists do confess to a Light in man which reproves for Evil and excites to good which they say is the Substance of the morral â—…aw or first Covenant which enjoyns Man truely to love and worship God and to love our Neighbours equally with our selves to do justly c. That this the very Heathens or Gentiles have in them And then I ask if this Law doth not appertain to the New-Covenant as one principle Law thereof also and never intended to be destroyed by Christ but fulfilled and renewed in his Followers who have Union with it as having a more deep impression and being more fully discovered in the Hearts of Men when become Children of this Covenant then before Was not Love the fulfilling of the Law and was not this preached by Christ's Ministers and was not love one to another both the Old and New Commandment yea the Old Commandment renewed and established If not a Light of Grace in every Man then it must be the Light of Nature but the Light in every Man cannot be sufficient to Salvation Acts 11. 18. When they heard these things they held their Peace and glorifyed God saying then hath God also to the Gentiles granted Repentance to Life then they had it not before Answ. His Argument still depends upon his former Fallacy that 't is not a Light of Grace but a Light of Nature that is in every Man as also in putting Repentance for the Light of Grace he puts the Effect for the Cause as if no man had saving Grace or a Light thereof before Repentance or Conversion whereas his Argument doth not at all prove that those Gentiles who received the Word of God had not a Light of Grace but only of Nature in them before Peter preached Jesus Christ to them but rather the contrary that it was a Light of Grace a
not planted a Light in man that opposeth the Covenant of Grace nor is the Light of Câ—…rist repugnant to 〈◊〉 Christianity neither can the least degree oppâ—…se the greater Thou proceeds thus T. H. How comes it to pass that Jesus Christ as to the great end of coming into the World is so much neglected and the Stress of many men's Hopes laid upon something in themselves Hence the Hope of the Hypocrite is compared to the Spiders Web being spun out of their own Bowels Do you not see this in your selves who are the greatest Admirers of the Light within p. 38. Answ. Still thou runs upon thy gross mistake of the Light within whereby thou falsely reflects upon us for relying on it for First Our Hope and Dependance upon the least degree of the Light of Christ in us which is the divine Life of him as the Eternal Word this can neither oppose nor neglect the great ends of Christ's coming into the World in the Flesh any more then John's bearing witness to the Life of the Word being the Light of men could oppose the Word becoming or taking Flesh. 2ly What were those great ends of Christ's so coming into the World but evidently to shew forth and exalt that divine Light and Salvation in a greater Fulness and Manifestation which in some degree did before universally shine throughout all Ages or otherwayes how could Christ be the Rock of Ages or his Outgoings from of old from everlasting And whence in the dayes of his Flesh shewed he Light through his innocent Life Ministry and Miracles but from that divine Power and Glory of the Father in him for God did work them by him 3ly After it s testified concerning God the Eternal Word that in him or in it was Life and the Life was the Light of men Joh. 1. 4. It s said that the Word was made Flesh and dwelt amongst us or tabernacled in us and we beheld his Glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of Grace and Truth ver 14. and of his Fulness have all we received Grace for Grace ver 16. Now mark this discovery of his Glory Grace and Fulness was a divine discovery being as of the only begotten of the Father of whom John said he that cometh after me is preferred before me for he was before me verse 15. The divine Light of the Word was that by which they had this discovery of Christ which was beyond that of the outward or fleshly Appearance which might be seen with a visible Eye but the other only seen by the Eye invisible and Spiritual So that this coming of Jesus Christ into the World was so far from lessening or destroying his spiritual Light of him as the eternal Word in men that it was to increase the Knowledge of it and in order to bring it forth in its Brightness and Glory for the Revelation of the perfect Day of Salvation And herein he came to render the Appearance and Testimony of his Light within the more valid and effectual men having erred and been estranged from it Now is it consistent with the Hope of the Hypocrite to obey the measure of the Light of Christ within in order to receive more Is it not rather consistent with the Hope of the Hypocrite to hope that their Sins are pardoned and they justified by the Righteousness and Obedience of Christ wholely without them while they are rebelling against sliting and rejecting his Light within them and so living in their Sins and Impurity And this is thy State and Hope as will further appear for who have received Power to become the Sons of God whom the World knoweth not because it knew not him they have that Hope and Expectation of being made like unto Christ through his Appearance and every man that hath this Hope in him purifieth himself even as he is pure 1 Joh. 3. therefore this Hope which they have in them is both living and effectual and to be fore it is not placed upon Darkness but upon the Light For it is the Inlightening of the Eyes of the Understanding whereby a Soul is capable of seeing what is the Hope of his calling and the Power that wrought in Christ when God raised him up from the dead Therefore thou who rejects the Light within thy Eye is blind thy Hope is the Hope of the Hypocrite thou neglects the great ends of Christ's coming into the World which was not only to condemn Sin in the Flesh as his Light within effectually doth but also to shew and increase Light and to manifest the day of God's Salvation by his divine Power in delivering man from Sin and Wrath. Sect. XVII His Slander about the Person Offices Sufferings and Blood of Christ and continued Abuse of the Light within T. H. WHat contemptible Thoughts you have of the Person Offices and Sufferings of Jesus Christ that you account his Blood no more than you do the Blood of a common Thief p. 38. Answ. 'T is no new thing for thee to slander us while by opposing and rejecting the Light within thou art become hardned and seared in Conscience These are such notorious Slanders that thousands can witness against thee therein When did ever any of us express such contemptible Thoughts of Christ his Offices or Sufferings If we had never exprest any such thing how comest thou to judge our Thoughts to be such And where did ever any of us express such an Account of his Blood that was shed as no more then that of a common â—…hief The Lord rebuke thee for this thy abominable Slander as I doubt not but he will T. H. And esteem Justification by that Righteousness which Christ wholy fulfilled in his own Person without us to be a Doctrine of Devils p. 38. Answ. Though these are not our Words we do not own the Doctrine viz. That men are justified wholy without them by what Christ fulfilled in his own Person only for this is not the Language of the Scriptures which thou pretendest to be thy Rule Christ fulfilled the Righteousness of the Law in his Person but here thou makest no Exception but that Justification is by that Righteousness which Christ wholy fulfilled in his own Person without us men will only believe this when they reject the Light within as thou hast taught them But we are not justified by the Righteousness of the Law nor by any Act of Christ meerly as done in his Person but by the Righteousness of Faith in which we are interested in Christ as we are Partakers of living Faith which are inseparable But what is this Justification thou wouldst advance as wholy wrought without thee Is it either in Reallity a making men just or an accepting of them as Just and Righteous who are so in Reallity or is it a reckoning of them so who are actually sinful If the former then 't is not wholy wrought without but the inward Effect of the Blood of Christ in cleansing from Sin is
World began But the true saving Knowledge of whom is spiritual and divine and inwardly received in his own Light and Life within and saving Faith is in his Name and divine Power as inwardly revealed Stephen Crisp's Answer to T. H. THomas Hicks I having seen thy Book called a Dialogue c. and finding my Name mentioned in page 44. and 45. have very seriously taken notice of thy manner of Rehersal of my Words and thy own spoken at that Conference which we once had at Bartholomew-Close and that I know of I never saw a Narrative of a thing past given forth with more Falshood and Hypocrisie then that is and with a known and witting Purpose to deceive the Reader and to abuse me and I am perswaded Thomas thou hast in thy self a Knowledge of it and surely except thou repent and obtain Forgiveness it will one Day be heavy to thee The Business or matter upon which we treated was about our holding and believing Christ to be the Light of the World or that the Light which lighteth the World and every one that cometh into the World was and is the true Christ which was then proved by plain Scripture and whereas I do not intend a Narrative of the Discourse but only to dis-abuse the Reader and to make known the Occasion of these Words of mine thou hast mentioned therefore I shall pass over most of our Discourse and come to the matter relating to Christ. And that thou didst say as thou mentions in thy Book that no Spirit nor Principle was capable of Suffering and being Crucified is true thou didst say so but how faise the matter it self is let the Scriptures be judge Do they not speak in many places of the Sufferings Pressures Vexings Burdenings Grievings and Quenchings of the Spirit and do they not speak of crucifying afresh killing and slaying the Lamb of God the Lord of Glory the 〈◊〉 One from the Foundation of the World in the Streets of Sodom and Aegypt c which Sayings cannot have Relation to that Body that hanged upon the Cross which was not from the Foundation of the World nor was â—…ot in Sodom nor never hanged upon a Cross in Egypt but he whom the Saints called our Lord and the Lord from Heaven a quickning Spirit was capable of suffering these things besides those great Sufferings which he suffered in that Body in which he conversed with men in the Form of a Servant in the â—…arts of Judea and Jerusalem whom the Jews took and hanged upon a Cross without the Gates of Jerusalem who I believe dyed for Sinners and is raised up again by the Power of God exalted therein above the Power which caused him to suffer and sitteth now at the right Hand of God and maketh 〈◊〉 for the Saints and is the Ruler over the true Israel of God who destroyes his Enemies with the Spirit of his Mouth and the Brightness of his coming New this Christ of God thus truely considered I neither said nor thought I knew the Date or Beginning of as thou dost wickedly suggest for I know he is without beginning of Dayes or end of Life and such an high Priest becometh us to have and blessed are they that believe in him and are faithful to him and now having answered what thou malitiously wouldst have the Reader believe which I am perswaded thou thy self dost not believe viz. That it is my Judgment and Belief that Christ hath a Beginning and Date I shall now declare the Occasion of such Words when I was about to prove to thee that this Principle of Light was that 〈◊〉 of Ages in which the Fathers and Prophets believed and that it was that Word which came unto the Prophets and which was known to Abraham to his rejoycing c. thou madest me this Answer That the Names Jesus and Christ were not proper unto any Spirit Word or 〈◊〉 whatsoever either in Heaven or in Earth but unto that Body or Person which was born of the Virgin to which I replyed I remember John Newman hath written so in his Book but I had thought you Baptists had not owned him in it but now I see you do and thou saidst yes thou didst for though thou grantedst that the Word and Spirit was from the beginning yet that was not nor could not properly be called Christ or Jesus but that Person that was born of the Virgin that only was Jesus and Christ where uppon I 〈◊〉 then I know the date and beginning of thy Christ upon which thou criedst out Blasphemy to which I replyed and asked thee if thou thoughtst I did not know how long it was 〈◊〉 he was born as well as thou or another man c. and after that did prove to thee by plain Scripture that the very Assertion was false to say there was no Jesus nor Christ before and did mention the Rock of which the Fathers did drink and which followed the Jews in the Wilderness which Rock saith the Apostle was Christ not is now become Christ but was Christ and the same Apostle saith that God made all things by Jesus Christ mark Thomas if this be so then he was before Mary was or besore he became Flesh or took that Body made of a Woman for the Prophet testified that he that should be born in Bethlehem his Out-goings was from of old I say the more concerning this because thou endeavour'st to cast the Socinian Leven of which thou didst appear that night too full upon me as if I looked upon Jesus Christ as a meer Creature whose beginning and date I knew when as those Words were only spoken with Detestation of and in Testimony against thy corrupt Socinianism that Night uttered who also made a great Stir with me for saying the Eternal Son of God Thy Foundation is manifest Thomas thou canst not hide it this Way and as concerning thy foolish pratling in page 45. that if I knew his beginning then he was not God and if I knew his date or when he ceased to be then he is not man this is not all worth the answering the pretended Foundation thereof being taken away and thou left naked in thy Folly and Perverseness having shewn thy self but as one who makes a Likeness of a man and sets it up and then beats it down again and goes away and boasts of Conquest But for a Conclusion I shall ask thee and thy Reader a Question Suppose that a man should affirm to me that all things come by Nature and that there is no universal Spirit of Life to quicken them and I should answer thereuppon and say Then there is no God I query were this sufficient Reason to charge me that I were an Atheist that I held there was no God or ought it not to be taken as detecting the Atheism of the first Assertor this is my case with thee which I refer to that of God in all Consciences and let that judge in and amongst men and thee I
Wiser then his Teachers in the hidden Life and Mystery of things whereby David had long seen beyond all Types and Shaddows of the good Things to come to the very Substance it self from whence came his excellent Prophecies agreeing with that passage The Path of the Just is as the shining Light that shines more and more unto the perfect Day said the wise Man This strongly implies that David and not he alone but the Just of all Ages were attended with the Discoveries and Leadings of a Divine Light which as obey'd did make Just and alwayes lead in the Way of Salvation unless the Just Way was not the Saving Way and if it was certainly it is still for it is the Lord himself whom in Samuel's History he is recorded also to have called a Lamp as he here doth the Word which Moses said was nigh in the Heart that Men should obey it and do it This was the Word of Reconciliation in every Generation whose Holy Water washed their Consciences from Sin who heard andobey'd it Again that this Light was not confin'd to David or such Good Men take these two Passages Thou givest thy Mouth to Evil and thy Tongue frameth Deceit Thou sittest and speakest against thy Brother thou Slanderest thine own Mothers Son These things hast thou done and I kept Silence thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thy self but I WILL REPROVE THEE AND SET THEM IN ORDER BEFORE THINE EYES saith the Lord Again His Lightnings inlightned the World the Earth saw and trembled In which two places it will appear upon impartial Consideration that God hath inlightned the World and that as Light Difcovering the Works and Workers of Darkness he doth reprove the Inhabitants of the World set their Sins in order before them and cause such Guilty ones to Tremble at his so appearing which is expresly confirmed in that notable passage of the Prophet For Lo He that treadeth the Mountains and cleareth the Wind that makes the Morning Darkness and treadeth upon the High Places of the Earth and DECLARES UNTO MAN WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE THE LORD THE GOD OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME This the Psalmist was well acquainted with himself when he uttered these Words Whither shall I go from thy Spirit or whither shall I flee from thy Presence which plainly shows to us that the Spirit of the Lord and his Presence was every-where and that as Light discovering Darkness with respect to Mankind For the Question was not whether God by his Spirit was not every-where for that our Adversaries grant or he could not be God But whether it was possible for David to withdraw himself into any place where his Mind could not be sensible of the Eternal Spirit and Immediate Presence of God who is Light it self either as a Reprover Exhorter or Informer as the foregoing Words intimate O Lord thou hast searched me and known me Thou understandest my Thoughts afar off Thou art acquainted with all my Wayes Which however God might know them it stands firm that David could never have known God so as to see and behold them but from that Light and Spirit of which he sayes in the 7th vers following which I have already cited Whither shall I go from thy Spirit In short it must needs be evident to all unprejudic'd Readers that David had this Light within or Spirit of God present with him as a Reprover Informer or Comforter since it was impossible for him to be any-where without it Which may prove to us that however he lived above a thousand years before the Apostle Paul he very well knew the meaning of that Doctrine he preach'd to the Athenians God is not far away or at a Distance from every one of you Which truly known and experimentally witnessed not only as a Reprover but by an humble and holy reception of him into the Heart as King and Lord is the Glory of the Evangelical Dispensation where God dwells in his People as an Holy Temple and Tabernacles with them This is the blessed Emmanuel-state God with and God in Men. I might here to sub-joyn the Account we have of the great Illumination of Daniel and the Gentiles clear Acknowledgment of the same which they could never have done with that Seriousness and Conviction but from some glimps of the same Divine Light but that I shall pass over with several Passages of other of the lesser Prophets and conclude this Scripture Proof of the Gift of the Light and Spirit antecedent to Christ's coming in the Flesh and from Stephen's Testimony Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in Temples made with hands as saith the Prophet Heaven is my Throne and Earth is my Footstool what House will you build me saith the Lord or what is the Place of my Rest Hath not my hands made all these things Ye Stiff-necked and Uncircumcised in Hearts and Ears ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as your Fathers did so do ye And lest it should be objected that it was only in Stephen then and the holy Prophets of Old that both they and their Fore-Fathers resisted the Holy Spirit Remember Reader that weighty Passage in Nehemiah Thou gavest also thy Good Spirit to Instruct them and withheldst not thy Manna from their Mouth by which it is most evident that the Light of God's Spirit or the Spirit of God was given as well to the Rebellious as Obedient that it might as well condemn for Sin as lead into all Righteousness And since we are to suppose God's Spirit and the Light thereof to be sufficient to Salvation for God's Gifts are perfect in themselves and are given to accomplish their Ends perfectly from that Sin and Iniquity which the contrary Spirit draws into we may without any offence I hope conclude that during those many Ages before the Coming of Christ in the Flesh he did Illuminate Mankind with a sufficient measure of his Divine Light and Spirit CHAP. IX Another Objection that though the Jews had it it will not follow that the Gentiles were so Illuminated It is Answerd by several Scriptures In this Chapter quoted to prove that they were not exempted But had a measure of Light some Divine Seed sown in their Hearts some Talent given and that it was Sufficient T. Hicks's Challenge to give an Instance of one that by the Light within was Reproved for not believing that Jesus was the Christ is Answer'd Such as believed in the Light and walkt up to it did receive Christ when he came The high Pretenders were they who to Scriptures Opposed and Crucified him The Light from Scripture concluded Universal and Saving Obj. BUt here I expect this Objection having run our Adversaries unavoidably to it Very well Taking it for granted that what you have said in reference to a Saving Light or Spirit universally bestow'd upon the Jews THAT WERE A DISTINCT PEOPLE from the rest of the World under very many peculiar Rights
Trees by G. W's Argument therefore they are God For sayes he G. W. asserts that such as is the Cause such must the Effect be Which strange Construction of G. W's Words bewrayes either great Stupidity or Disingenuity I would ask that very Angry Man Is there no Effect of Power besides that of Nature Did the Father of T. Hicks get a Bâ—…ast or a Man when he begat him Surely unless he has abandonâ—…d all Understanding methinks â—…e that makes in his Book â—…o notable a â—…istinction betwixt Reason Railing by using so little of the one and so much of the other should put one betwixt a Natural and Potential Effect I mean such an Effect as proceeds from Nature and one that comes from meer Power The Divine Life can naturally produce nothing that is not as Divine as it self bâ—…t its Power hath made all that is not oâ—… itself as well Inanimate as Animate Beings Bâ—…t enough of this at this time and till this be proved not enough by those that are betâ—… as willing then proving it so The Life of the Word being then the Light of Men and that without any Dissâ—…nt and consequently 〈◊〉 I have no need to prove it SAVING till that â—…able Man has singled out Saving from â—…ivine which is not so absurd but for all his great Skill in Divinity he may venture at and in my Judgment such an Enterprise shall be sufficient to renown the Light and baâ—… him in the thoughts oâ—… all that forbid not Understanding in their Religion without any further Apology However let me briefly say that It being a Measure of the Truâ—… Light by way oâ—… Excellency â—…ar transcending John â—…or as such is he preferrâ—…d who is the Inlighteâ—…er and that it was through John all should believe iâ—… him and lastly that to these who received him as the Universal Enlightener or True Light He gave Power to become the Sons of God it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 follow that the Light is Saving and indeed I have with multiplied Arguments and Testimonies 〈◊〉 made appear from Scripture and Story the Universality and Sufficiency of that Divine Light Such then that say it is decayed because they are themselves methinks resemble those at Sea who being under Sail fancy the Shoar moves The Fault is in the Eye blinded by the God of the World and not in that blessed Light which shines unprofitably upon the Blind through their own Blindness got by Disobedience Let them by unfeigned Repentance be unscaled and the Sun will give good Proof of its Light Darkness ought not to charge the Light but it sâ—…f that it sees not Tho. Hicks confesseth All are inlightened but denyes the Sufficiency thereof yet refuses to be ruled by it Let him first obey it before he despiseth it and prove himself above it before he throws it so far below a Christian He may be allowed then to blame the Light as Impotent when he can live Uncondemned of it or Experience can tell us its Insufficiency to Well-Living T is vain to undervalue That which chargeth both with Duty omitted and Sin committed Happy Man were he if leaving Prejudice he obeyed the Light within it would not teach him to write Lyes Slanders and Forgeries nor to call Men Knave much less to threaten them with Blows whom he scurrilously named so But Our Religion is to Bear and His to Abuse However this stands sure that the Life of the Word is the Light of Men and consequently Divine and to say nothing of the Absurdity of their Phraises there I will leave this first Sort of Men and their fruitless Opposition To the Second Interpretation given destructive of that Scope we testifie the Light to have I return thus much That because the Light of Men was the Life of the Word which Word was God by whom all things were created and that all Men are mentioned in that place controverted which presupposeth no further Qualification in order to have this Light then being born one of that all Men into this World I conclude that it is not only a most False but Injurious Notion to assert the Commencement or being oâ—… that Light to be from the Coming of Christ in the Flesh. Besides since this relates to the whole Man which Word begins with Adam and ends with the last of Man's Race I cannot conceive how that Exposition can be valid for then John would have been before Christ instead of Christ's being before Abraham whereas therefore is John denyed to be that Light because that true Light by Way of Excellency was the Enlightener of all Men yea of John himself and therefore callâ—…d that true Light that is the Fountain of all Light Light it self from whom all derives but he derives from none And to say nothing at this time of the miserable Estate those of Mankind must labour under antecedently to Christ's Coming in the Flesh let it be considered that these first Nine Verses in John relate not in the least to his Fleshly Appearance from whence those Men would date both his Original and Man's Illumination but are a continued Series of the highest Proofs of a Divinity that we might as well know what He was before He came as when He did come and the one was an Introduction to the other Neither is it fair for these Men to aâ—…egorize Christ out of his Divinity and yet deny us any Allegory to prove it If they deny Meanings elsewhere let them do so here It unbecomes Men that have their Wits to rack them to prop meer Fancy Further let me add that as He who then came into the World was the same that created that World into which he came and therefore Previous or before such Coming â—…o neither can it hold that the World into waâ—…ch Mâ—… comes is the New Creation since it is not said who believe which is usually joyned to things of that importance believe and be saved c. Nor can such as don't believe be totally excluded from being lighted 〈◊〉 the Wicked could not Rebell against it if they had 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Evil Actions be Reproved without it So that all such 〈◊〉 is forreign both from Scripture Reason and indeed Probability also We shall conclude then that Christ the Word-God is the Light of the World that all are inlightened by Him the Eternal Sun of Righteousness therefore the Light of Men is Christ For to Him that is Christ or True Light John testified who gives Wicked Men to see their Unrighteousness and who leads Good Men on in the Way of Holiness which persevered in brings unquestionably to Eternal Happiness and without which all Imputation of general Acts of Righteousness by another will avail nothing in the great and terrible Day of God's Inquest when J. Faldo J. Bunion J. Grig and that malitious T. Hicks with the rest of their Omnious Fraternity in Notion shall be judged not by the Deeds any other hath done for them wholy without them but according
Neglect as the Imperfection of them is either of his Insufficiency or Unwillingness that made them to do otherwise What is this but to say God expects Homage from Men as their Soveraign Lord and that they live uprightly in the World yet he has given them no Ability in order to do it He pronounces such Miserable who conform themselves not to an Holy Life but gives no Power to avoid the Curse In short though Reason tell us he made none purposely to Destroy them but rather that he might be glorified in their Salvation which he is also said to invite Men to yet that he designs nothing less by leaving any or all Mankind under the Faâ—…ntings of an Impossible Success But as such Dismal Consequences belong not to the Truth what ever share such kind of Calvinistical Predestinarians may have therein so we are well assured that the Light of which we speak has ever been Sufficient to the End for which it has been given in every Age both to Manifest Evil Condemn for it and Redeem by the Holy Inclinings and Operation of its Power those who are the Diligent Disciples of it For it seems most Unreasonable that the Spirit of Darkness should be sufficient to draw into and Destroy by Sin and yet the Spirit of Light not be sufficient to Redeem and Save from it Since therefore we cannot admit of any Insufficiency in the Light within but we must suppose that whilst God would be rightly worshipt he has too darkly discovered the Way how to do it aright that bis Gift is Impotent that Man is required to do what he has no Power to perform and that whilst God requires Man to serve him he hath not so much as shown him what way he ought to do it All which Consequences are most Unworthy of God We rather chuse to sit down contented with this Belief that God who made Man and has given him a Soul Capable of Knowing and Serving his Maker hath also endued him with Divine Knowledge by a SUPERADDED LIGHT AND POWER and enabled him thereby to live subservient to that Knowledge That God's Gift is perfect and sufficient for that Work and that such as are led by it must needs be led to God unto which that Divine Light naturally tends and attracts as that from whom it came which is certainly a State of blessed Immortality In short accept these few Arguments Comprehensive of these two Chapters and indeed most of what goes before 1. God requires no Man to do any thing he has nog given him first to Know and theâ—… Power to Do. But God requires every Man to fear him and work Righteousness Consequently He has given every Man both a Discovery of his Will and Power to do it 2. No Man ought to worship the true God Ignorantly But every Man is commanded to worship God therefore He is to do it Knowingly 3. No Man can know God but He must â—…over it to him and that cannot be without Light therefore every Man has Light 4. This Light must be Sufficient or God's Gifts are Imperfect and answer not the end for which they were given But God's Gifts are perfect and can perform what they are designed to therefore since the Light is his Gift it must be Sufficient The Sum is this Every Man ought to Fear Worship and Obey God No Man can do it aâ—…ight that knows him not No Man can know him but by the Discovery he makes of himself No Discovery can be made without Light Nor this Light give that Discovery if imperfect â—…r Insuffecient in Nature Therefore all have a Sufficient Light to this great End and Purpose viz. To Fear Worship and Obey God CHAP. XXV The 〈◊〉 Who He or They are that obey the Light c Considered and Answered being a Character of a true Quak r. AS I took Occasion to begin this Discourse from the late Dialogue so shall I end so much of it as immediately concerns the Light with my Answer to the third Query made by T. Hicks Wâ—…o this He or They are that obey this Light and in obeying attain Sâ—…lvation ' If I should take his Question as personally directed I mean what Man or Men they be I should decline to answer for the Controversy is not now of Person but Principles I rather take this to be his Meaning What are the Qualifications of those that obey this Light Not what are their Names but what kind or manner of People are they In short what is it to obey the Light I think I have so fully exprest my self already in this Matter that with an 〈◊〉 Adversary I might be saved the Pains of any further considering it But that nothing may be thought to be 〈◊〉 as Unanswerable which is so easy to be answered I tell him and all Men and that not without some Knowledge experimental of what I say That such 〈◊〉 the Light who 〈◊〉 all that it manifests to be Evil and inclines to perform all that it requires to be done For Example When the Light shows that it is Inconsistent with a Man fearing God to be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Proud Covetous Backbiting Envious Wrathful Unmerciful Revengeful Prophane Drunken Voluptuoâ—… 〈◊〉 which with such like are called in Scripture the Fruits of the Flesh and Works of Darkness and Persons so qualified the Children of Wrath such as delight not to retain God in their Knowledge c. I say when the Light discovers these things to be Inconsistent with a Man fearing God He who truly Obeyes the Light denyes and forsakes them however Cress it be to Flesh and Blood and let it cost him never so dear Though Relations do both threaten and entreat the World mâ—…ck and he be sure to become the Song of the Drunckard and a Deâ—…ision to his Ancient Companions No he dare not conform himself any more to the Fashions of the World which pass away and that draw out the Mind into vain and unprofitable Delights by which the 〈◊〉 in him had been 〈◊〉 neither to gratifie the Lust of the Eye the Lust of the Flesh and the Pride of Life which are not of the Nature of his Father who has begotten better Desires in him He rejects the Conversation he once had in the World and in the Eye of its Children seems a Man Forlorn and Distracted he takes up the Cross despâ—…ses the Shame and willingly drinks oâ—… the Cup of bitter Mockings and yields to be baptized with the Baptism of deep Tryals Christ Jesus his Lord 〈◊〉 of and was baptized with He is as well taught to deny the Religions as Cares and Pleasures of the World Such as prosess Religion from what they have either been taught by others or read and gathered with their Carnal Minds in the Scriptures intruding into the Practices of either Prophets or Apostles as to External and Shadowy things not being led thereto by the same Power they had he can have no Fellowship with He
the Internal Testimony of the Spirit or the external Award and Avouchment of Men If the former they inavoidably come over to us for then the Spirit will and must be both Rule and Judge If the latter I ask how are they assured that they are not miserably abused by Carelesness or Design since we see that using utmost Diligence both Translation Transscription and Printing are subject to numerous Mistakes and those sometimes very material against which the Scripture can be no Fence But admit there were no Ground for any such Objection I further demand of our Adversaries if they are well assured of those men that first collected embodyed authenticated them by a Publique Canon which we read to have been in the Council of Laodicca 360. Years after Christ though not as they are now received during which time they had bin tossed tumbled some receiv'd some rejected doubtless many hundred times transscribed and it is not improbable that they were also abused If they miss in their Judgment here they are gone till they come to us I say how do they know that these men rightly discerned true from spâ—…rious Either their Judgment was infallible in the Matter or it was not â—…f it were then there was such a thing as Infallibility since the Apostles Dayes which is a Contradiction to your selves But be it so that they were infallible how came you to be assured they were so Not by Inspiration that is dangerous Doctrine with you Which way was it then Not by Tradition Was it by the Scripture That were to say that the Scripture tells you that those men that collected it for true were right in their Judgment but we are yet to finde any such place and that is to beg the Question I cannot see any other Ground besides your very great Kindness to their Choice which you call Popery and believing as the Church believes in other Folks But if these men were fallible as your own Principle makes them and their own Determinations prove them what then doubtless your Condition will be desperate Now certain it is that some of the Scriptures taken in by one Council for Canonical were rejected by another as Apocryphal and that which was left out by the former for Apocryphal was taken in by the latter for Canonical Now visible it is that they contradicted each other and as true that they both erred respecting the present Belief for your Canon and Catalogue varies from theirs and let me say without Offence from any Catalogue you can produce Behold the Labyrinth of Incertainties you run your selves into who go from that heavenly Gift in your selves by which the holy Scriptures are truly discerned relished and distinguished from the Inventions and Abuses of Men 8. Furthermore If the Scriptures were the Rule of Faith and Life c. then because they cannot be the Rule in their Translations suppose the ancient Copies were exact it cannot be the Rule to far the greatest part of Mankind indeed to none but Learned men which neither answers the Promise relating to Gospel times that is universal nor the Necessity of all Mankind for a Rule of Faith and Life 9. That the Scriptures are not the Rule of Faith and Life is proved from those voluminous Discourses of Cases of Conscience that are extant among us For had the Scriptures beâ—… as sufficient as the Nature of the Rule of Faith and Life requireth there had been no need of such Tracts every man might have read his own Condition laid down in Scripture without those numerous Supplements Doth not your own Language and Practice prove its Insufficiency to that End at what time you both exhort to and go in secret to seek the Mind of the Lord in this or that important Affair Why do not you turn to Chapter and Verse for Satisfaction if the Scripture be appointed of God for a Rule Strange That what is so common in the Mouths of all sorts viz. God direct you that implieth Inspiration and Revelation or immediate Council or Guiding from God should not be known much less acknowledged by you in our Writings but overrun with such scaring Epithetes as Enthusiasm Familism Fanaticism Quakerism c. In short there are a * thousand Cases and not a few occurring almost daily in which the Scripture cannot be our plain and distinct Rule and Guide yet has not God left himself without a Witness in every Boâ—…om for his Grace has appeared unto all Men teaching them that believe in it to deny Ungodliness and woâ—…ldly Lusts and to live sobâ—…rly righâ—…eously and godly in this present evil World And Christ Jesus the eternal Word has for that End enlightened every Man coming into the World viz. to discover reprove and instruct â—…or Faith and Life But it may be and is objected by some Obj. If this Law and Light in the Conscience had been enough what need had there been of Scripture Answ. The same Argument will hold against God Christ his Spirit and Grace all which are sufficient notwithstanding the Use and Benefit of Scripture The Case was this Man's Mind being estranged from the Light and Spirit through its wandrings after visible and perishing things and in as much as the Light became thereby vailed from him the Spirit as quenched and the Law as defac'd God in peculiar Mercy to the Jews according to his Covenant with faithful â—…braham super-added or repeated as Urâ—…n termes it the Law inward by a Declaration of it outwardly that both God might not be without an outward Witness as well as an inward they having so much lost the Feeling thereof And more deeply to strike their Minds by their Senses into which their Minds were gone and to meet them abroad whether they were roving and wandering from the Law and Light within As it is great Vanity and Weakness to infer Insufficiency to the Light from the Imbecillity and Darkness that are in Men occasion'd through their Rebellion to the Law and Light within so from God's superadding Scripture and other external Assistances to Men in that State What would such have God his Light and Spirit appear to and converse with Peoples outward Senses That can't be the one is too Spiritual the other too Carnal for any such thing Or are they Insufficient because they converse with Men through these exteriour things suited to that imbecil State Or tell me if the considerablest part of Scriptâ—…re be any more then the declared Knowledge and Experience oâ—… such as were come to a more improved State in the Teachings of that Light and Spirit which is therefore given forth that others loytering behind might be the more prevailed with to follow them as they had followed the Lord in the Light of his Spirit Certainly it can never be that Scripture should impeach the Light of insufficiency when it is but the Mind and Teachings of the Light in others declared or recorded Does the Declaration jarr or make weak that from
that Baptism or plunging Men and Women is Gospel Have I said it is of Necessity to Salvation p. 13. Answ. 'T is both dishonest and false in thee to accuse me of an Anti-christian Spirit and belying the Innocent for stating thy own Words and the Consequence thereof from the very Tenour of thy Discourse hast thou not accounted your Water-Baptism or dipping Gospel or at least part of Christ's last Will and Testament and them accursed that bring any other Gospel See thy other Book pages 24 25 26. and have not thy Brethren declared it for the Remission of Sins and the only Way of gathering Churches 1. To teach and then to baptize or dip them See their Confession of Faith Article 11. presented to the King and subscribed by above 40. of them And have not some of thy Brethren affrighted many simple People into Water to be dipt formerly by such Language as dip or damn and what hast thou said less if they be accurst that own it not Some of thy Brethren have positively affimed it necessary to Salvation on that Scripture Except a Man be born again of Water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God falsly deeming that outward Water there spoken of H. G. All that are accursed are only those who bring another Gospel besides that which was given sorth by Christ as he is King and Mediator of the new Covenant p. 14. Answ. And your dipping thou reckons to be given forth by Christ thy pretended Proof being Mat. 28. 20. as before mentioned wherefore thy case is against all that own 〈◊〉 or deny to be dipt for our parts we will not be dipt by you H. G. I doubt not but all sincere-minded Protestants are of my Perswasion touching this matter though we may differ about the Form and Subjects of Water-Baptism p. 14. Answ. Here thou insinuatest and flatters the Protestants like a temporizer and decliner of your former Testimony and contrary to thy Brethrens said Confession of Faith which is wholy against that scriptureless thing of sprinkling Infants Article 11. as their Phrase is and have not divers of thy Brethren deem'd it Anti-christian H. G. False it is and a Slander to say that we make it essential and of absolute Necessity to Salvation though we believe it essential to Church Communion p. 14 15. Answ. Is it not essential and of Necessity to Salvation if part of Christ's last Will and Testament as before thou sayst And such to be accurst that oppose it or if the same Baptism of Christ mentioned Mat. 28. and Mark 16. which is annexed to believing in order to Salvation But if not of Necessity to Salvation then not the Baptism into the one Body or Church-Communion and then it s not that one Baptism or Anti-Type which doth save viz. The Baptism into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit for without that Name or Power Men cannot be saved VIII Their Definition of the true Saviour and his Being HEnry Grigg denyes the true Saviour to be the Light and Power I afsirm saith he that Jesus Christ is a Man consisting of Flesh and Bones p. 30 31. human finite weak subject to Passion as we are 94. p. 33. the true Christ consisting of a Body of Flesh and Bone p. 31. 34. H. G. Contrad John declared plainly that Christ was before him being from everlasting before Abraham the Son of God by Eternal Generation truly God David's Lord p. 35. The Lord Jesus the Eternal Word p. 8. The Emanuel p. 32. Christ the Son of the living God p. 33. G.W. Animed Therefore it s both unscriptural and absurd to assert that Jesus Christ consisteth of a human Body of Flesh and Bone or is finite seeing he was before all things and by him all things consist Col. 1. 17. and inconsistant both with the Eternal Glory of the Son of God which he had with the Father before the World began wherein he is glorified and his Body Glorious and Spiritual They should have said that he took upon him that Body prepared for him and not that he Jesus Christ consisteth or is made up of Flesh and Bones but at length they are made to grant to the Deity of Christ more than formerly though to their own Confutation as before And I further add Is there not a plain Contradiction between Jesus Christ consisting of Flesh and Bone human Nature and that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Eternal Word from Everlasting c. Besides after his Resurrection he said a Spirit hath not Flesh as ye see me have Luke 24. 39. now for Jesus Christ to have Flesh and Bone and for him to consist of Flesh and Bone in his Sence are two differing things for to have Flesh and Bones implies a Distinction between him the Son of God as to his Being and the Flesh and Bones which he had but to consist of Flesh and Bones implies he could not have a Being without them but that he is made up meerly of human Flesh and Bones H. G. Doth he not evidently declare to the World that it is a Contradiction and absurd to assert that Jesus Christ is God and Man subsisting in too real distinct Natures because I said he is Man and that the Divinity distinct and apart from the Humanity is not the Christ and yet also said he is God everlasting and the Son of God by Eternal Generation p. 16. Rep. 1. It is remarkable how the Man shuffles evades and useth a Subterfuge besides my Objection which was not at all against Jesus Christ being God and Man take Man as Christ is the heavenly spiritual and glorified Man being ascended up where he was before but it was against his affirming that Jesus Christ consisteth of human Flesh and Bone I distinguishing between consisting and having seeing Christ was srom Everlasting 2. And now also to say he subsists in two Natures divine and human contradicts his saying he consists of Flesh and Bones human Nature for these do not consist of two Natures the human Nature is not two Natures both human and divine as human or earthly Nature cannot be the heavenly also 3. If Christ consisteth or is made up of human Flesh and Bones and be the Christ only as so considered then how is he the Son of God by Eternal Generation even before as well as since he took upon him that Body which was prepared for him or pertook of that which the Children had to wit Flesh and Blood If the Son of God before was he not then Christ before Or was he the Son of God when he was not Christ IX The Hypostatical Union BUt H. G. instead of clearing himself in this matter he sillily yet perversly begs the Question thus Doth he not deny his human Nature and glorious hypostatical Union p. 21. This being consider'd together with his severe Conclusion against us of horrible Heresies Delusions and vile Impostures as in p. 17. shews that he has a design to render
in all c. Rep. God's Truth is concerned in his gracious Promises both absolute and conditional as well as in his conditional Threats And let it be considered 1st That Man's Dying in the Day he so eat was the Fruit of his Fall into a State of Misery in dying from that State of Righteousness and Felicity he was in before and it was the Natural Effect of his Transgression and yet not so as that God was absolutely bound to bring eternal Death on Man in that day no no nor was divine Justice so narrowly tyed up or short sighted as not to reserve a Remedy for God had the Seed of the Woman in his eye and divine Justice doth not require that eternal Death or the second death shall remain upon any but on the finally Impenitent who continue in Sin under the Power of the first Death for all they who return to God and receive Christ the promised Seed he proves to them both a Just God and a Saviour neither Justice nor the Curse of the Law can limit him from shewing Mercy Remission or Salvation to the Creature upon true Repentance and Faith in Christ Jesus who overcomes the World and the evil Nature from whence those cursed Actions have sprung mentioned Deut. 27. 15. to the end of the Chapter And t is true the Jews outward who rejected the Righteousness of Faith that is received in the Spirit when Christ was set forth and fetcht their Righteousness from the Letter of the Law they did strictly and formally bring themselves under the Curse thereof when they continued not in all that was written But there is no Condemnation or Curse to them that are in Christ Jesus my Opposer leaves out what follows viz. that walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit Rom. 8. 1. Yet what the Law saith it saith to them that are under the Law that every Mouth may be stopt and all the World may become Guilty before God This Law therefore as thus convicting is Spiritual and tends to man's Conversion in that it is to prepare him for Mercy which divine Justice doth not hinder nor detain the World under the Guilt divine Truth being concerned in the gracious Promises which are Yea and Amen in the Promised Seed that ransoms Man slayes the Enmity crucifies the Transgressors or first Birth which must dye upon which the Law and its Sentence of Death must pass and Man that is guilty must feel this in himself before he be delivered into that State wherein there is no Condemnation or be united to the Lord who Kills and makes Alive So that neither Justice nor Truth in the Law are frustrated the Law is not made void through Faith but established in the Spirituality and Purity of it the Righteousness of the Law being fulfilled in them that walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit And 't is said that the Righteousness of God without the Law is manifested being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets even the Righteousness of God which is by the Faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe Rom. 3. Christ came to condemn Sin in the Flesh and is the End of the Law for Righteousness to all them that believe and not for the Continuance of Unrighteousness and where Sin is put an End to by Christ the Curse and Condemnation of necessity ceaseth with it and the Righteousness of Faith takes place in the Soul Obj. Adam hath sinned We are by Nature Children of Wrath in our own Persons We have failed hence God's Wrath is up against us God burning in his Wrath is ready to condemn us to take Vengeance on us to consume us as Fire not to Justifie and acquit from our Ill Deserts c. If Burning ten thousand millions of Years in Hell is not enough to turn away his Wrath c. Rep. Thus he hath defined divine Justice as he thinks which is further spoken to hereafter but upon whom must it be thus satisfied supposeth he S. S. Justice is satisfied upon Transgression p. 103. Rep. Then upon Rebellious Transgressors and not upon Christ who was alwayes Innocent and did the things well pleasing to the Father and therefore divine Justice could never burn nor take such Vengeance on him for Satisfaction and let the Guilty go free for so to do could not be Justice the Satisfaction whereof as it intends the Undergoing the Penalty of the Law due for the Injury done Justice can only require it of the Offender and Guilty for whom the Law was made not of the innocent or Righteous for whom the Law was not made But where then were the Mercy or Forgiveness to the poor Creature that hath sinned if God were so engaged to burn in his Wrath and take the full Vengeance upon lost man S. S. His Truth engageth him to execute his Justice in punishing Sin yea to the full should Mercy offer to pronounce any man absolved his Sin unpunished Truth would stop the Mouth of Mercy and say Hold I have Cursed c. Rep. What strange and lamentable Division would this make in God! and how variable and in Contrariety with himself And how Contrary to the Testimonies of his Faithful Witnesses hath this Man rendered God As if absolute Revenge and Wrath towards all Mankind did bear the sole Sway in him over all both his Love Goodness and Mercy Oh sad Is not his Mercy over all his Works and hath he not Forgiveness in store unto whom it is said who is a God like unto Thee that pardoneth Iniquity and passeth by the Transgression of the Remnant of his Heritage he retaineth not his * Anger forever because he delighteth in Mercy Mica 7. 18. The Lord God merciful and gracious forgiving Iniquity Transgression and Sin Exod. 34. 6 7. So that even in the Law Gods Mercy and Forgiveness as well as his Threats were signified which his Truth must needs be concerned in Is it not evident that God is not engaged under Revenge nor his Mercy and Truth divided or opposite as this Man renders him For both must be received and have their place where Judgment and Mercy meet and men through the Law become dead unto the Law so as to know Christ to live in them and through God's Judgment and Chastisements to find a Ransom and an Attonement and God hath Power to turn away Wrath as he doth upon men's true Repentance Humiliation and Return to him as when the King humbled himself the Wrath of the Lord turned away from him 2 Chron. 12. 12. And also Hezekiah seeing the Wrath of the Lord upon Judah and Jerusalem for their doing Evil in his Sight and turning their Backs c. He said Now is it in mine Heart to make a Covenant with the Lord God of Israel that his fierce Wrath may turn away from us 2 Chron. 29. 8 10. And in the King's Letters be ye not stiff necked but yield your selves unto the Lord
himself his by himself purging our Sins the Will of God sanctifying us through the offering of the Body of Jesus Christ once for all c. as being a Sacrifice of far more Value then those Typical ones under the Law which he fully answered and ended though they were said to make Attonement Reconciliation for Sins of Ignorance that they might be forgiven and the Scape-Goat to bear away the Iniquities and Transgressions of the Children of Israel Lev. 4. 16. 23. And did not the killing and sacrificing of Bulls Goats and Heifers typifie or figure forth the killing and destroying that corrupt beastly Nature and Enmity in man which is for Death and Destruction and which those Beasts were as a lively Embleme of Seeing hereby God was pleased in a Way of Condescension to their low Capacities to shew a Pacification or Expiation to express his Forbearance suspending the severe Execution of the Law and Willingness to pardon Iniquity and to pass by former Transgressions and be reconciled when they afflicted their Souls and offer'd up burnt-Offering in the Day of Attonement as both were required much more hath God declared himself reconciled to us in commending his Love to us in that while we were Enemies Christ dyed and so he hath shewed forth his Kindness and free Love as willing to pass by and pardon the Sins of the World upon true Repentance in his setting forth his Son to be a Propitiation through Faith in his Blood and in his being in Christ reconciling the World unto himself not imputing their Trespasses unto them which was both in his Forbearance commending his Love and Good-Will in his Son unto the World and sending his Son that the World through him might be saved Let it be seriously here minded 1. That those Scriptures relating to Christ's Death Reconciliation Sanctification and putting away Sin as by Way of Sacrifice c. as Joh. 1. 29. Rom. 5. 10. Heb. 10. 10. Chap. 1. 3. Col. 1. 22. which intimate the Work as if universally done yet it is with respect unto the general Favour and Good-Will of God in Christ as by the which Will we Believers are sanctified through the Offering of the Body of Jesus and so we are said to be reconciled in the Body of his Flesh through Death Withall note that it was the manner of the Hebrews Prophets and Apostles to speak many Things in the Spirit of Prophecy as done or past before they were accomplished in the proper Subjects God having an Eye of Pitty and Compassion open to lost Man for his Redemption even before it was fulfilled whereby he saw and lookt beyond the former Transgressions Sins and Infirmities for the Sin of the World is not actually taken away purged out or put away as to its Nature and Be ing nor are Men in a State of Reconciliation or Friendship while actual Sinners and Enemies in their Minds but as they come to be converted and sanctified by the Spirit Therefore God's reconciling the World in and by his Son shews his gracious Will and was intended conditionally to be fulfilled in them viz. Upon Faith and Obedience It was done so as with respect unto Christ as the first Fruits and with an Eye to the Condition before it was actually fulfilled in them and what was outwardly signified as to the Good of Man by Christ's Sufferings and Death in the Flesh as our great Exemplar in his Obedience and Holiness is inwardly to be fulfilled and answered in Spirit as to the Principle End and Design of God therein as for Instance God was in Christ reconciling the World to himself yet the Apostle added We pray you in Christ's stead be you reconciled to God 2 Cor. 5. 19 20. And to the Saints at Colos. You that were sometimes alienated and Enemies in your Minds by Wicked Works yet now hath he reconciled in the Body of his Flesh through Death to present you Holy and Unblameable and Unreproveable in his Sight If ye continue in the Faitle grounded and setled c. Colos. 1. 21 22 23. Mark on this Condition they were reconciled and to be presented to God Not as being Enemies and in wicked Works But as made Friends by Conversion to and continuing in the Faith And God shewing forth Mercy to all and universal Pardon of Sin past in and for the sake of his Son Christ Jesus he being the Propitiation for the Sins of the whole World declares his not imputing their Trespasses unto them according to Severity but his being reconciled to them that they may be reconciled to him Finally Because God was in Christ reconciling the World to himself and because he commended his Love to us while we were Sinners and we reconciled c. by the Death of his Son as our Representative If from hence any infer That their Sin being not imputed therefore they are justified by the Imputation of Christ's Death and Blood though they continue in Sin and Disobedience to him and remain Unsanctified I must deny their Consequence and tell them that there is a two-fold non-Imputation of Sin or under a two-fold consideration Sin is said not to be imputed 1st with respect to God's Forbearance while he suspends Execution and doth not cut off 〈◊〉 in their Sins when yet the Nature and Being of Sin is not destroyed nor purged away expecting their Repentance c. In this Sense David when he said I have sinned Nathan toâ—…d him The Lord hath put away thy Sin Thou shalt not dye 2 Sam. 12. 13. Yet this proves him not then at that time in an absolute and compleat Justified Estate or his Sin blotted out for aâ—…ter this he both implored Mercy intreated Forgiveness and passed through great Judgment Difficulty and Trouble under the Weight and Burthen of his Iniquity 2. A Non Imputation of Sin in a better and higher State as where the Miâ—…d and Spirit is sanctified and cleared and Sin really done away and wholy blotted out where the Lord Imputeth not Iniqâ—…ity but Righteousness as Blessed is he whose Transgression is forgiven whose Sin is covered Blessed is the Man unto whom the Lord Imputeth not Iniquity and in whose Spirit there is NO GUILE Psa. 32. 1 2. It were unreasonable to think that all to whom Sin is â—…ot imputed iâ—… the first Sense are in a Justified State for then were the whole World Justified for God was in Christ reconciling the World unto himself not imputing their â—…respasses But in the latter Sense they are Justified being Washed Sanctified and Justified in the Name oâ—… the Lord Jeâ—…us and â—…y the Spirit of our God 1 Cor. c. 11. and such as in wâ—…ose Spirit there is no Guile And so no Condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the Flesh but aâ—…ter the Spirit Rom. 8. 1 2. Therefore Justification And if it be further queried viz. Quest. How doth it consist with God's Justice and Truth which alwaies required perfect Obedience either to
with the Assemblies Opinion and Stephen Scandret's uncertain Proposition for it His Abuse of divers Scriptures in his State of the Case for a personal Election answered and the Way of God's â—…hoosing resolved The Weakness of his two first Arguments touching God's Decree and Promises His gross Ignorance of those Names written in the Lamb's Book Arg. 3. His Impertinency and ignorant Allegation and mis-understanding of divers Scriptures concerning God's Choice and Ordination and the Cause of Mens Destruction opened against Argum. 4. Persons being chosen proves not their Eternal Election as Persons Concerning Jacob and Esau Christ's Sheep those that come are drawn and given unto him of the Father Arg. 5 6. Election explained God's loving Jacob and hating Esau their Posterities concerned therein And how far the two Births were figured in Jacob and Esau. Our Opposers blasphemously placing a partial Resolution upon God as creating Persons with Intention to leave them to Destruction contrary to his universal Call and Tenders of Salvation The Unchangeableness of God's Election in what State and our Opposers Ignorance and Error concerning God's Purpose My unanswered Objection of setting Life and Death before Men and warning them of Destruction The Cause of God's hardning Pharoah Judas and others not grounded upon meer Will and Pleasure but for their Rebellion Touching the Fall of particular Angels and Men the Tendence of God's long-Suffering towards the Wickeâ—… and my Opposer's Confession to Truth to the â—…tter Overthrow of his Opinion Presbyterians Mâ—…ckery in their Warnings setting Life Death conditional Promises and Threats before People contrary to their partial Opinion of an eternal personal Election and Reprobation The sad Consequence of their accusing God with decreeing to deny saving Grace to particular Persons yea to the greater Part of Mankind shewing that divine Justice it self hath not so decreed Grace differing from Debt The Reason why God finds Fault with Men. The Question Who hath resisted his Will resolved Their urging all to for sake Sin contradictory to their Opinion and not in true Eaith Their Flattering many with fair Pretences contrary to their own Intentions the poor Encouragement and cold Comfort that their Doctrine of a personal Reprobation yields to the greatest Part of Mankind The wise God the just Judge is the Ordeiner of the Punishment not of the Fact nor the Author of Sin or their Wickedness who persecuted Christ. Hypocritical Priests making and strengthning Hypocrites by deceitfully daubing them up in their Sins and flattering them with a You are not fallen from Grace while they are guilty of gross Wickedness Concerning God's Convenant with David and his Seed and the Mystery typified in him To all which is added a short Postscript A Brief Introduction TO The following Discourse concerning Election and Reprobation STephen Scandret begins with an absolute false Charge against me as Depraving God's Truth whenas according to plain Scripture without any Depravation thereof I examined their partial and graceless Opinion as their making God the Ordeiner of whatsoever comes to pass both as to the States and Ends of Men and their placing his Decree thereof from all Eternity upon particular Persons and noâ—… upon the two Seeds and Conditions wherein Election and Reprobation do originally consist which in time extends to Persons only as related to the good or evil Seed and not from a partial absolute and meer voluntary Decree and Design to particular Persons as their narrow and silly Opinion imports which I opposed and that from the Scriptures of Truth testifying 1. God's Good-Will and Grace to Mankind in general 2. The real Causes on their Parts of his Severity towards them and their Reprobation I â—…aid down the Presbyterian Principle and Opinion as it may be seen in their Confession and Catechism agreed upon by their Assembly of Divines so called at Westminster and approved by the general Assembly of the Kirk of Scotland as where they say in their 3d Chapter That God from all Eternity did by the most wise and holy Counsel of his own Will freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass And that by the Decree of God for the Manifestation of his Glory some Men and Angels are predestinated unto everlasting Life and others fore-ordained unto everlasting Death and that these Angels and Men thus predestinated and fore-ordeined are particularly and unchangeably designed their Number so certain and definite that it cannot be either encreased or diminished c. And also upon the same Principle they add in their tenth Chapter That all those whom God hath predestinated unto Life and those only he is pleased effectually to call by his Word and Spirit out of the State of Sin and Death in which they are by Nature to Grace and Salvation by Jesus Christ enlightning their Minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God c. And in their eleaventh Chapter God did from all Eternity decree to justifie all the Elected and Christ did in the Fulness of time dye for their Sins and rise again for their Justification The Consequence of this Doctrine with a plain and scriptural Answer and Confutation are laid down in the latter End of our Book entituled The Glory of Christ's Light within expelling Darkness which Book yet remains unanswered by S. S. both as to this and other Heads wherein he and his Brethren are concerned though now in order to vindicate this Doctrine he layes down the Proposition thus S. Scandret That God did most freely and unchangeably and from all Eternity choose some particular Persons to partake of saving Grace c. from whence it will necessarily follow That he hath reprobated or passed by others I must manifest this by Parts Answ. In Opposition to this Partiality unjustly charged upon God I must assert this Proposition That God's eternal Election stands originally in his own Seed of Promise and free Grace thereby freely tendered to all Mankind both Jews and Gentiles and all Men in the first place left free for a Share therein and none are reprobated but who first reject this Grace and like not to retain God in their Knowledge his words that he hath reprobated or passed by others are very doubtful being as much as to say that either God hath from all Eternity reprobated particular Persons or left them to Reprobate themselves It is then either God's Act or the Creatures which as appears this Man's Masters the pretended Divines could not resolve and we do not expect him to be a more proâ—…ound Divine then his Tutors However their Opinion at least reflects upon God as passiâ—…g by the greater part of Mankind without aâ—…ording them any Saving Grace or the least Spiritual Assistance of Divine Light or Life so as if he thus takes no notice of them at all but passeth by them they must inevitably be left to Destruction and eternal Misery by this Graceless and Uncharitable Opinion which tends greatly to â—…cclipse the Glory of
Command which requireth us to be perfect he saith God commands to offer Isaac he purposeth Isaac shall not be offer'd this shews he doth not efficaciously will every thing he commands p. 64. Rep. First This Instance is not pertinent in this Case it being a peculiar Command and Act to Abraham and not common to the Saints nor relative to those Commands injoyning Holiness of Liâ—…e which they are all concerned in 2dly He is mistaken in saying He purposeth Isaac shall not be offered for the Scripture saith That by Faith Abraham when he was tryed offered up Isaac and he that had received the Promises offered up his only begotten Son Hebr. 11. 17. It is evident that neither God's Command nor Purpose was to kill Isaac but that Abraham's Faith should be tryed in offering him up which by Faith he did in which he said God would provide himself a Lamb for a Burnt Offering Gen. 22. 8. And he accounting that God was able to raise him up even from the Dead from whence also he received him in a Figure Hebr. 〈◊〉 19. But this is no Proof that it is not his Pleasure his Commands requiring perfect Love Obedience sâ—…ould be kept and they that enter into the Covenant of Grace enter into an Agreement with God in Christ which though it remits Sins past yet gives no Liberty to continue in Sin neither is it any Condition of this Covenant that the Being of Sin should remain to keep the Saints humble for by this Covenant God taketh away Sin not only by Remission but by Receiving the Soul into Agreement with himself Jesus Christ is our Surety Mediator and Advocate both in his being a Propitiation or Sacrifice for the Sins of the whole World that upon the Act of Faith in his Blood and believing in his Name Sins past may be remitted as also in his inabling us to obey the Conditions and Obligation of the Covenant of Grace or Law thereof which we are under and in fulfilling the Promises thereof to us for without him we can do nothing we can obtain â—…o Pâ—…iviledge but in him in whom the Promises of Cod are all Yea and Amen And seeing God receiveth true Believers in Christ into Agreement with himself Christ being their Surety doth not exempt them from the Payment of what is their due Obedience but inables them thereto for to be in Covenant or Agreement with God is neither consistent with disagreeing with him by Transgression or sinning against him When or where Sin shall be removed after Death he resolves not He tells us not How long a time shall be between Death and the perfect Removal of Sin for a Purgatory he seemeth not in words to own how nearly related soever his Doctrine be to it in his saying It sufficeth me to be assured from God's Word it Sin is not done away in this Life it shall in the next But where and what that God's Word is that so assureth him That Sin is not done away in this Life but in the next he hath not yet demonstrated nor proved nor doth he clear himself of the Pope's Doctrine of a Purgatory but confesseth That no unclean thing shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven since Christ is to present us holy unblamable and unreprovable in his Sight a glorious Church not having Spot or Wrinkle p. 64. Mark here how he hath manifestly contradicted his pleading for the Being of Sin in the Saints and saying It is not done away in this Life and yet the Church must be holy unblâ—…mable and unreprovable in his Sight not having Spot or Wrinkle but then he addeth further as a part of what Christ hath merited touching this Point and in pag. 67. He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified meritoriously To which I say Hath Christ merited or purchased the Church's Beauty and Perfection even perfect Sanctification and yet is it his Father's good Pleasure that the Church shall not receive such Perfection here Or that the Being of Sin shall not be remov'd in this Life Were it not Blasphemy to suppose That Christ hath bought for man that which his Father will not allow him But I must suppose his Sence of Christ's Merit Dignity Righteousness and Obedience as not to be really partaken of and inherited by true Believers in this Life but only in their Sence of Imputation which can be neither real nor true to reckon themselves Holy Unblamable Unreprovable without Spot or Wrinkle while yet spotted with Sin and inherent Corruptions though still I grant that every Degree of Real Righteousness true Faith and Sincerity to God springing up from his own Life in his Children is owned and accounted of in his Sight for the Lord is well-pleased for his own Righteousness sake Isa. 42. 21. and the Fruits of his own Spirit are acceptable to him from the highest Growth and Maturity to the least Appearance breathing and breaking forth thereof in the Soul yea from Israel's Tryumphing and Glorying in the Lord to Niniveh's believing God and repenting and God commands us nothing but what he inableth us to perform although against this S. S. objects that he commands from the Beginning of Life to the End of Life to continue in all things written in the Law to do them but where this is commanded us in Scripture he shews us not We are satisfied that God layeth no more upon man as to doing or performing then he inableth man for his Commands are gradually and orderly imposed to be obeyed according to the Ability that he giveth the Creature he doth not command a Child to do a Man's Work he is no hard Master So in the Covenant of Grace there is a Growth from one Degree of Strength to another 〈◊〉 Faith to Faith from Little Children to Young Men c. and so according to their Growth and Capacity God requires Obedience and doth not impose Impossibilities oâ—… them And if so be that the Power and Glory of God be more manifest in the Second Covenant or in the New Covenant of Grace then in the First Covenant by how much the greater man's Priviledge is in this by so much the more he is inabled by the same Power cheerfully to live in Obedience and Faithfulness under it Therefore S. S. his being assured That Sin is not done away in this Life and his Conâ—…ession That a Believer dyes unto Sin by degrees and so AT his Death the whole of Christ's Merit is immediately applyed whereby Sin is forever totally abolished These are not consistent neither doth he write as a man of Experience of the Work of God what Assurance foever he pretends sor to say That his Sin is not done away in this Life or that it shâ—…ll in the next and yet to say It is totally abolished AT his Death These are as Contradictory as to say That Sâ—…n is done away At Death and yet it is not done away till After Death which is saith he to the last Trump will Sin be in the Saints
nor the Being of Sin forthwith excluded p. 68. yet by Degrees it comes fully to be effected and Sin put an End to as there is a waiting in Patience and Diligence upon him who hath begun a good Work who will also perfect it That the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us on this he thus paraphraseth Fulfill signifies sincerely to obey the Law 1 Chron. 22. 13. that is sincerely to obey every Precept so far as we attain to understand it Thus far he contradicts his pleading for the Being of Sin and Corruptions in the Saints and his denying perfect Obedience to be attainable in this Life yet I assert that Man in his own Will Strength cannot attain sincerely to obey the Law of God but through the Power and Aid of Christ Jesus he may attain to the Righteousness or Substance of the Law to be fulfilled in him being led by the Spirit of Life for the Law thereof in Christ makes free from the Law of Sin and Death But when this Opposer adds Thus in the other World God's People shall attain to fulfil the Righteousness of the Law p. 69. Herein he perverts Scripture and puts Christ's Work afar off who is the End of the Law for Righteousness not to indulge Men in Sin to them that believe and he came to condemn Sin in the Flesh that the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit which State the Apostle did not put off to the other World And if the Gospel or Law of the Spirit of Life free us from the Law of Sin and Death and Christ was sent to condemn Sin in the 〈◊〉 which Words he turns thus viz. Condemned our Sin in him I say First Why should we be subject to the Law of Sin aâ—…d Death or 〈◊〉 believe a Freedom from the Being of Sin when its Power Law and Rule is taken away These are inconsistent Must Men needs subject themselves to that which is brought under by the Power of Christ and Law of Life in him His saying He condemned our Sin in him will not excuse him from being condemned with Sin if he doth not come to find Sin condemned and destroyed in himself and Man's Disobedience to the Law of God within will not be excused by what Christ hath done and suffered without neither will your Application cause you to be lookt on as if from the Beginning of Life to the End to have obeyed the Law as Creatures to have satisfied it as Sinners p. 69. Surely God doth not so look upon you while you continue in Sin and his Spirit striving with you and reproving of you for Sin and Corruption God and his Spirit do not so oppose on another and yet he is Gratious and Merciful ready to pardon and forgive Sins past upon true Repentance and that for Christ's sake who is the Propitiation c. but the Notion of Satisfaction as it is taken in the severe Sense of strict Payment in Law by undergoing the full Punishment It is not consistent with the Gratiousness of God in forgiving Sins past on unfeigned Repentance but sufficient is said to that Point He is offended that we should say to him and his Brethren You plead for Sin he calls this an opprobrious and gross Slander but hath not cleared himself thereof but verified it as appears in this Discourse of his And his saying Who do more call Men off from sinning then we If he had added Who tell People that to come off or be free from Sin is not attainable in this Life and that it is God's good Pleasure not to destroy the Being of Sin in this Life and that he sees good Corruptions should remain in his Saints to keep them humble Then the World might easily have judged how heartily they call Men off from Sin or rather how they impiously plead for Sin as necessary He sayes Their Light without the Scriptures will help to call men off from Lying Injustice Uncleanness c. They should then obey it for then it necessarily calls unto Truth Justice Purity c. and consequently to Heaven Depart from â—…vil and do Good and dwell for evermore We urge Men to the Observance of the Christian Sabbath p. 69. And what is that Christian Sabbath And how do you urge men to Observe it Was not the Jews Sabbath a Type of the Christians Sabbath or Rest And do they not cease from their own Works and Thoughts being not to think their own Thoughts on this Sabbath or holy Day We press to repent of the very Being of an evil Thought in us But do you press it in the Faith Do you believe that the Being of evil Thoughts can be remov'd in this Life else what signifies your pressing to repent thereof Your Denouncing against men's Allowing themselves in Sin Wickedness Your saying It is the Duty of all to be Perfect to Press after it to watch against all even the least Sins p. 70. What avails all this when you press and preach thus in your Unbelief You unsay what you here pretend when you tell people It is God's Good Pleasure that the Being of Sin and Corruption should remain in his Saints to keep them humble What Incouragement do you here give People to press after Perfection and to watch against all Sin when you tell them A Sinless Perfection is not attainable But he brings an Instance for their Encouragement as he thinks viz. If two Companies of Children were to run a Race and one should say to this Company There are strong Men at the End of the Race if you run as strong and as fast as they can run you are to enjoy a rich Inheritance but if not you are to dy By the way observe he very egregiously doth mistate the Case and Doctrine of those called Quakers for they do not propose Heaven and Salvation upon these Terms as for Children to run as fast as Men but that Children may become Men and in the mean time act according to their Abilities beyond which God doth not impose upon them nor require of them but that the Race that is set before us may be run with Patience which ought to have her perfect Work that we may be perfect and intire wanting nothing It is certain that they who have begun in the Spirit and spiritual Journey who are diligent using their best Endeavours and hold out shall enjoy an Everlasting Inheritance And this is not to cut off their Endeavours by Despair as falsly is supposed against the Quakers upon the said Mistating of their Case but your Preaching tends to Despair when you press People after Purity and Perfection and then tell them It is Not attainable in this Life He further adds against us There must be no Sin at all in you and then you shall obtain Salvation 〈◊〉 I must be quite free from all Sin here or burn in Hell to all Eternity pag.
augment their Gain Stipends and Pluralities by preaching in several Places in times of Liberty which Liberty their occult Creeping in times of Tryal hath not procured but added to our Sufferings Coertion was effectual and sruitful upon such timorous Dippers or Baptists and not at all shewn to be fruitless by the Valour of these Opposers and Quarrelers who now further to increase our Sufferings reproach them as Irreligious and only for self-intrest and Us as neither Christians nor Conscientious and such is the Reward we have from cowardly base envious Spirits who have strengthened the Hand of Persecution and aggravated our Sufferings by their own Unchristian and Ignoble Policy and Subterfuges for self-Security But T. H. might have very well allowed us Conscience and Religion for our many deep Sufferings especially while he and his Brethren partake of the Fruits and Benefit thereof wherein we have resigned up all our Worldly Interests outward Concernments and our Lives also although he had judged our Conscience erronous But what is the Tendence of all his imbittered Traducing and Reproaching our Sufferings as one while Wills Lusts and carnal Intrests being the chief Inducement thereto another while Respect only to some temporal Injoyment another while Carnal Advantages one great thing and then he questions Whether we have not a Way to augment our outward Loss Thus shewing his Variation and Doubtfulness in his own perverse and most apparent Slander against our Sufferings And finally after he hath thus perversly vilified them as Carnal Interest being either the chief thing or only thing or one great thing or whether we have not such a Way to augment c. he saith If not then may not a Disposition to be singular and to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to all other men and to be noted in the World as a People of peculiar Motions and Fancies prevail very much with you to Do and Suffer as you do p. 76. Rep. His wicked surmising a Carnal Advantage to be our End is now turned into a Suggestion of a Disposition to be singular and noted in the World which though varying from the former is also abominably false and wicked and our Consciences bear us witness in the fight of God that T. H. hath shamefully slandered the real Intent and End of tur Sufferings in these matters And what do all his Atempts herem tend to but to calumniate defame and odifie us and our Sufferings to the World and to make us so obnoxious to the Powers and both wilfully and Irreligiously repugnant to the Goverment as that they may fall more vigorously upon â—…us to ruin and destroy us If they will believe this reviling inveterate Baptist who is so very dirty that he had need to be more dipt then ever he was who hath shewn his implacable Enmity and persecuting Spirit from which he hath fomed out his own Shame like a malitious Incendiary which will the more extend to the Discredit and Dis-reputation of himself his Brethren that own him and not to the making void the Christian Reputation which we the People called Quakers have on the behalf of God and his living Truth However T. H. hath published us as no Christians and most shamefully treated us like an Insinuating Temporizer falslly and deceitfully accusing us of Enmity against the Ministry and Institutions of Jesus Christ p. 76. but neither tells us who he intends are that Ministry nor what he means by those Institutions whether he intends not Baptist-Preachers and their Night-dipping c. Though for his Cover he would make the World believe as if we were really acted and influenced by some Romish Emissaries to insinuate many of their Heresies to distract dejorâ—… and defame the Protestant Profession p. â—…6 which is still slanderous and fallacious tending to make us suffer by such deceitful and popular Insinuations as if to vindicate our selves our â—…nnocent and Just Cause from the perverse Calumnies of a few peevish Dippers and Anabaptists were such an Heretical Crime to distract and deform the Protestant Professions and as if these distracted Anabatists were the Protestants Principal Representatives And He having abused us after thiâ—… his deceitful and malitious way and with his calumniating Language against us our Religion and Sufferings the summary Conclusion of his Method against us runs thus viz. Cheats and Impostors great Imposters p. 27 28 62. Knave Knave a false and decâ—…itful man and that willfully a man false and deceitful really salse and dishonest p. 39 52 53 91. before his Words were against G. W. Deceitful Fellow Audacious Fellow Impudent Fellow You are a Knave You are a Knave And to C. Harris You are a Cocks-Comb I 'l prove you a Cocks-Comb Such Tinkers-Rhetorick as this he is very ready at when his morose Cholerick-Humor is up also Blasphemers or Blasphemy and Heresy he is very ready to charge men with when his corrupt Opinions are opposed and finally that our Religion should be a mecr Cheat calculated only to the Service of the Devil pag. 62. This is the highest Charge proceeding from the hight of his Rancor and Malice as also his notoriously defaming our Sufferings to be for the Satisfaction of Wills Lusts promoting Carnal Interests Carnal Advantages outward Gains c. as before Concerning these matters as considered of together I appeal to you his Brethren W. Kiffin and the rest let Honesty and Conscience speak whether they do not savour of a Persecuting Spirit and whether they are not of an evil Tendence as before signified to stir up Persecution against us And knowing that he hath most abominably and falsly traduced our Sufferings and so reproached our whole Body as we are a People and that in this publick manner in his Pamphlet we do expect that Justice and Right from you his Brethren as that you should give out a publick Testimony against his Injury done us and our Sufferings in this Case and allow us our Consciences and Religion therein how erroneous and mistaken soever you think them otherwise if you refuse to do us this Right and so connive at your Brother Hicks his Iniquity we must look upon you so far concerned in the Guilt thereof as not doing us that Right and Justice that both Truth Equity and Reason requires of you So as you do intend to clear and quit your selves be Ingenuous plain and open in this matter which doth so nearly concern you Thomas Hicks being a Brother and Teacher among you against whom we call for Judgment and Justice to be done us in as publick a manner as his Abuses and Injuries are in Print God knows who beareth Witness with my Spirit and is my Record that I bear no Ill-will nor Prejudice to you or any of you what ever any bear towards me And for those things wherein your Brother Tho. Hicks hath abused and wronged me I defire he may Repent thereof and I wish he may find a place for Repentance as also that you who are concerned in Society with
in apt Resemblances obvious to the Sences as Tophet is ordained of old yea for the King it is prepared he hath made it deep and large the Pile thereof is Fire and much Wood the Breath of the Lord like a Stream of Brimstone doth kindle it Isa. 30. 33. and Bind him Hand and Foot and cast him into ulter Darkness there shall be Weeping and Gnaâ—…hing of Teeth Mat. 22. 13. As also If thy right Eye Hand or Foot offend pluck it out or cut it off and cast it from thee as being better that one Member should perish then the whole Body should be cast into Hell where the Worm dyeth not and the Fire shall never be quenched Mat. 〈◊〉 29. Mark 9. 49. to the end Which still argues that the Impenitent and Wicked are liable to meet with real â—…orment and that he hath spiritually his proper Being and Habit consisting of such spiritual Parts and Sences having an evil Eye a polluted Mind and defiled Conscience covered with Guilt pressed down with the Body of Sin and perplexed with Horror wherein he both receiveth the Deeds 〈◊〉 in the Body and is capable of absolute Misery in the Fire which shall never be quenched where the Worm dyeth not As also it is said The Rich Man also dyed and was buried and in Hell he lift up his Eyes being in Torments and seeth Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his Bosom and he cried said Father Abraham have Mercy on me and send Lazarus that he may dip the Tip of his Finger in Water and cool my Tongue for I am tormented in this Flame Luk. 16. 23 24. When his Body was buried yet he had the Sence of Torments that seized upon him and a Sight of the other's Felicity which he himself had lost Therefore as Christ said I say unto you my Friends be not afraid of them that can kill the Body and after that have no more that they can do but I will fore-warn you whom ye shall fear fear him which after he hath killed hath Power to cast into Hell I say unto you fear him Luk. 12. 4 5. A Summary of the Difficulties in the Point in Controversie FInally The Controversie is run up to these Difficulties which I object upon our Opposers Doctrines and Conceptions 1st How the self same Bodies should arise compleat after dissolved to Dust without a New Creation appears not nor is it demonstrated by them 2. If a New Creation of compleat Bodies of the same Dust and Elements should be conceived or admitted it is Incredible that God should create any corrupt sinful or polluted Bodies thereof for perpetual Torments seeing his Works are pure And as Incredible that he should make a pure Body to be invested with the former Evil Habit of Sin and Corruption for perpetual Torment in Hell-Fire and to be sure the first Elements or Dust of dissolved â—…odies is as pure as at the first 3. If Infants be supposed to arise at the Stature of Men how can theirs be the self-same Bodies they were 4. How the Body of the Saints and Children of the Resurrection should be either a Celestial Spiritual Glorious or Angelical Body and they Equal unto the Angels in Heaven and yet the self-same Earthly Elementary Body that dissolveth to Dust c. such a strange Transubstantiation appears not unless that the Natural Body and the Spiritual the Terrestrial and the Celestial the Human and Angelical be both One and the Self-same 5. That the Soul should not enjoy her self in absolute Felicity or Misery in perfect Glory or Contempt in her proper Vessel or Cloathing spiritually without the Earthly Cloathing which is Dust appears not while the Children of the Resurrection are equal unto the Angels of God in Heaven which are absolutely Happy and the Devil and his Angels absolutely Miserable 6. We cannot believe that the Invisible Infinite God should be seen with the Bodily or fleshly Eyes after Dissolution not that Job intended he should see God with his Flesh or bodily Eyes It being in consistent both with his being an Invisible Eternal or Infinite Spirit and with the true spiritual Sight of him which Job received Job 42. 5. 7. That the Seed to which God giveth a Body as it pleaseth him 1 Cor. 15. and the Body given to it should be one and the self same Earthly Body is a non-sensical Doctrine and an apparent Incongruity 8. That the Terrestrial Bodies should be so desirable to the Souls of the Righteous after Dissolution for the compleating their Felicity and perfecting their Glory appears plainly inconsistent with their desiring here to be dissolved and to be absent from the Body to enjoy and possess a Building of God au House eternal in the Heavens Or that the Souls of the Righteous should be so variable as to desire to be absent from the Body and presently after Dissolution to desire the Resuming of the same Earthly Body or a Re-union to it This implicitely accuseth the Souls of deceased Saints with being in their Affections both Earthly Variable and Unquiet as in a kind of Purgatory Which we can never assent to Thomas Vincent's Illustrations ABOUT THE RESURRECTION Which we may look upon as the Sense of the Rest and as the Explication of their Doctrines and Opinions who are Opposing the Spirituality of our Testimony about the Resurrection Among which some Truths are intermixt though his gross and carnal Conceptions about the Point we cannot close with His Illustrations are in his Book entituled Christ's Certain and Suddain Appearance to Judgment Collected and Placed in his own Words as followeth for the Serious and Spiritual-minded Readers to judge of T. V. GIve me leave to illustrate the Resurrection a little further and here I shall endeavour to set it forth by an Allusion to that notable place Ezek. 37. and ten first Verses pag. 16. some thing like this will the Resurrection be at the Last Day Now the Bones and Bodies of all former Generations are scattered up and down in the Valley of the Shadow of Death some are sunk into the Deep others are buried in the Earth the Flesh is consumed and resolved into its first Elements and the Bones of some remain of others are mouldred into Earth Now when the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God shall come down from Mount Sion which is above into the Valley of this inferiour World he will Prophesie over all the Bodies and Bones of all the Children of Men that are dead and speak unto them to Live he will say unto them whilft they lie rotting in their Graves Live he will say Awake ye that sleep in the Dust And Oh what a Noise and Shaking will there be then in the Ground What a clattering of Bones together in the coming of Bone to his Bone If the Body hath been quartered and buried part in one place and part in another as the Levite's Concubine who was divided into Twelve Parts and sent to the Twelve Tribes of