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A32964 Reasons of a challenge sent to the universities of England, in matters of religion by Edmund Campion ; faithfully translated into English. Campion, Edmund, Saint, 1540-1581. 1687 (1687) Wing C407; ESTC R12917 29,015 40

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When therefore Rome had corrupted its Faith so earnestly celebrated when it ceas'd to be what it was before At what time under what Pope after what manner by what force with what encrease did another Religion invade the City and the World What Votes what Ryots what Lamentations did it beget All the rest of the World were asleep while Rome Rome I say had new Sacraments a new Sacrifice and a new Model of Religion on the Anvil Is there no Historian either Latin or Greek far nor near would lay this unto his Commentaries Therefore this certainly is evident if we do believe any thing much History and various the Messenger of Truth the life of memory would fluently speak and repeat it those things which they do obtrude no Modern relation can authorize in the Church The Historians are for me and my Adversaries Incursions very cold which cannot move any one unless 't is first received all Christians of all times fell into gross Treachery and into the Lake of Hell till Luther Ravish'd Bora. The Eighth Reason BUt most excellent Men when I consider the monstrous opinions of men concerning Heresies I had some with me which will come in the way to be Confuted I may condemn my self of Sloth and Madness if I should fear the faculty or force of any one in trying me Let him be Ingenious Eloquent let him be Active let him be well Read in Books he will necessarily seem dry when he shall Defend things so impossible he shall be disputed with if he refuses these of God of Christ of Man of Sin of Justice of the Sacraments of Manners I will see whether they dare to affirm those things which they think and those things which they accounting as necessary do divulge as the Scripture viz. God is the Author and cause of my Sin Willing Suggesting Effecting Commanding Labouring and Governing the Diabolical Counsels of the Wicked It was the proper work of God so was the calling of Paul the Adultery of David and the wickedness of the Traytor Judas This Monster which sometime Philip was ashamed of yet Luther from whom Philip had it as an Heavenly Oracle extoll'd it with wonderful praise and his Scholar for that he did not much differ from the Apostle St. Paul I will ask also of what Spirit Luther was whom the English Calvinists term a Man Divinely inspired to enlighten the World when he took this from the Litany of the Church Holy Trinity one God have mercy one us By and by I will go to the Person of Christ I will see what they would have to themselves there Christ the Son of God Son of the God Calvin God of himself Beza he is not begot of the Essence of the Father also their are two Hypostatical Vnions constituted in Christ one of the Soul with the Flesh another of Divinity with the Humanity There is a place in St. John I and my Father are one he doth not shew Christ God of the same Substance with the Father but my Soul also saith Luther hates this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 go forward Christ from his Infancy was not perfect in Grace but in the Dowries of the mind as other men he grew older becoming more wise by use so that the Youth Laboured with Ignorance which is as much truly as to say he was contaminated with Original Sin and Vice but know those things which are more horrid Christ when Praying in the Garden sweat Water and Blood was amazed with the sense of Eternal Damnation he cry'd out with a loud Voice without Reason without Spirit a sudden Voice with the Impetuosity of Grief which being not well Premeditated he severely rebuked Is there any thing more Christ when he was Nailed on the Cross cry'd out my God my God c. He was Kindled with the Flames of Hell he sent out the Voice of despair no otherwise affected than if he was in everlasting Death also they add what they can to these Christ they say Descended to Hell viz. being Dead tasted of Hell no less than the Souls of the Damned unless that they were restored by him For even as corporal Death profits nothing so the Soul also ought to struggle with everlasting death and after this manner weigh our wickedness and punishment and lest any one should by chance think that this crept into Calvin through neligence the same Calvin calls all them if any of them revolv'd that Doctrine of Comfort damn'd Knaves O the times you have nourish'd this Monster that delicate and Royal Blood which Sprung out of the torn and cleft Body of the Lamb every drop of whose Blood by means of the Dignity of the Host could redeem a 1000 Worlds profited nothing to manking unless the Mediator of God and Man Christ Jesus had made also the second Death the Death of the Soul the Death of Grace partaker of Sin alone Execrable Blasphemy Bucer will seem modest in respect of this madness altho he is impudent who accounts the Grave Hell in a symbol by a vain preposterous repetition and Tautology rather The English Calvinists have recourse to Calvin their Idol part to Bucer their great master part also have murmured against this article lest it should cause any more trouble since that 't was exempted from the Symbol without noise that also was attempted in a Conventicle at London I remember Rich. Cheney who was there told me so a very Old Man who had been injuriously Fin'd by the Plunderers abroad and could not enter into his Fathers House So far concerning Christ what concerning Man The Image of God was quite raz'd out in man no spark of good was quick in him his whole nature as to all the parts of his Soul was so extremely rever'd that truly he was not at all Holy there is nothing else within him but coruption and contagion To what purpose are are these things That they who got Glory by Faith only wallowing in the Dunghil of their filthiness may accuse nature despair of virtue and disburthen Precepts Hither Illyricus the chief of the Magdeburgenses added his direful opinion of Original Sin which he would have to be the inward substances of the Soul for those since Adams Fall the Devil procreates and makes like himself This also is trivial in this case all sins are alike so lest the Stoicks should revive they are weighed by God the Judge altho God that just Judge should add a heap to our Burthen rather than an easement and should heap up that which is not in the thing when he is just The Cook who killed a Dunghil Cock when there was no need of him did no less offend against God the righteous Judge than that Assassinator who Beza like being disguis'd in Drink killed the Duke of Guise a Prince of great worth with his Hand Gun than which Exploit the world never saw any thing in our Age more Dolorous and Lamentable But perhaps they which are in this state
at the Booksellers in vain were our Books prohibited in vain were the Sea-ports stopp'd in vain were our Houses Boxes Chests and Trunks searched in vain were so many Wars proclaimed at the Gates for there is no Sanders nor Allen nor Stapleton nor Bristow can prosecute these new Dreams better than these Fathers I have quoted taking a prospect of these things I was inflamed and desired the Field in which wheresoever our Adversaries turn themselves unless they yield the glory to God they shall be overthrown they admit of the Fathers taken vanish'd nothing It happen'd when we were N●vices John Jewel Eminent amongst the Calvinists of England challenged with Vain-glorious Sarcasms the Catholicks at St. Pauls London crying out Show me the Fathers which flourish'd the first six hundred years Some worthy Persons embrac'd the propositions who were banish'd from Lavain and environ'd with d●fficulties by means of the vitiousness of the Times I dare to say he has done more good to the Catholicks by that disingenuity ignorance knavery and impudence which our writers have discover'd than any one in my mind ever did who took up the Cudgels for the Church of England An Edict was always on the Gates lest those Books which came out in a hurry could not be had They which manag'd this business were convinc'd that the Fathers were Catholicks viz. ours Lawrence Humphrys who had receiv'd a mortal wound to him and his Party notwithstanding he had supported Jewel in other things now aspers'd him with unadvisedness that he had admitted of the approbation of those Fathers whom he had nothing to do with nor should not have mention'd them without turning them over We ask Matthew Tobias who now domineers in the Pu●pit whom we chose out for his good Learning and seeds of Virtue and well read in the Fathers whether they confirm'd these things or no he answer'd ingeniously they did not neither will any say so that read them This is very true for neither he nor Matthew Hutton although a man of a hundred is said to have consulted the Fathers nor I believe any of our Adversaries who say so So far I can go into the Field against those who do as 't were stop their Ears either they will be compell'd to bear the Eternal Reproach of their Cause or refuse the Fathers or appeal to them If one they fly if another they are gravell'd The Sixth Reason IF they had that Courage or care that chiefly ought to be in them and searched the Scriptures the Holy Fathers had Caesar like been Triumphant by whose labour and cost the Bible has been Translated into so many Languages and carried into so many Nations in their dangers and torments snatch'd out of the flames by their labours and watchings all things are reveal'd as clear as the Sun they have been day and night intent on the Holy Scriptures published it with the Opinions of all they have wrote large Volumes of Scripture they hunger'd and thirsted at length being expert in Holy writ they came to a decrepit Old Age Which if they frequently argue also from the authority of our Ancestors Practice of the Church Succession of Popes General Councils Apostolical Traditions Blood of Martyrs from the Edicts of Kings from Visions and Miraculous Aspects yet all these do contain Testimonies of Holy writ this they press for this they subsist in this Armour do their Couragious Captains use themselves to to defend the City of God against all Assaults How much more do I admire at my Adversaries who object against want of Scripture in full Scripture so far they say they adhere to the Fathers as they agree with the Holy Scripture do they speak according to their mind Then I 'll take care they shall go arm'd with Christ the Apostles Prophets and all Scripture the most famous Men most Holy Fathers and most Ancient Fathers viz. Dionysius Cyprian Athanasius Basil Nazianzen Ambrose Hierome Chrysostome Augustin and Gregory the Roman Let that Faith Reign in England which these courteous Fathers ground on the Scriptures of Scriptures what they bring we 'll bring whom they counsel we 'll counsel we 'll infer what they infer content Say let it be so but you say no unless they explain it right what is this right explanation According to our pleasure Are not you asham'd of this Labyrinth Therefore my hope is in the flourishing Universities where I shall be accompanied with those who won't inspect these Controversies with a gross judgment but an accute one and weighing these trifling answers will gladly wait this day at Camp while I show forth the Church against the forces of unarm'd Beggars The Seventh Reason ANcient History does discover the face of an Ancient Church This I dare do Certainly the most Ancient Historians which our Adversaries insist upon are in a manner numbred here Eusebius Damasus Hierome Ruffinus Orosius Socrates Sozomenus Theodoret Cassiodorus Gregory the Turonian Vsuardus Regino Marianus Sigebe●t Zonaras Cedrenus Nicephorus What do they say they tell our Progress our Praise our hard Fortune they speak of our Enemies yea truly that you may observe diligently those who separate from ●● with a mortal hatred Phillip Pantaleon Func●ias Mag●●●●…gici who when they apply'd themselves to write either the Chronology or History of the Church unless they could collect the actions of us or our Enemies let slip five hundred years without one Argument With these revolve the peculiar Historians of certain Nations who have search'd out the actions of all people very nicely and censoriously these having got what they aim'd at endeavour'd by all means to improve it and who are not silent truly in their dainties Coat-sleeves Dagger-hilts Goldenspurs or such toys if they are in the fashion and truly had any thing in Religion chang'd or degenerated from its first Principles there would certainly some one of them Commemorate it But no one at all either of a good or bad genius towards us hath discover'd the thing or so much as signify'd it For instance our Adversaries grant neither can they do otherwise that the Church of Rome was sometime Holy Catholick and Apostolick moreover it deserv'd this Encomium from St. Paul Your Faith is Preached in the whole World without intermission I make mention of you I know because coming to you I come to you in the abundance of the blessing of Christ they salute you all of the Church of Christ for your obedience is divulg'd unto every place And 't was then when Paul had the liberty of the Prison and did sow the Gospel Then when Peter did govern the Church at Rome Then when Clemens very commendable in the sight of the Apostle did fill the Chair Then when the profane Caesars Nero Domitian Trajan Antonine did torment the Popes of Rome then also as Calvin witnesseth when Damasus Syricius Anastasius Innocentius did fill the Apostolick Chair for in this Age they grant none but Rome hath deviated from the Evangelical Doctrine