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A60644 A new catechism wherein many truths are plainly opened by way of question and answer which may be a help and furtherance unto all tender hearted people who are breathing after the Lord and waits for redemption and salvation by Jesus Christ : also something concerning the foundation and principle of the poor afflicted people of God (called Quakers) and of their faith and love towards God and their good will unto men, being also plainly demonstrated by way of question and answer : given forth in the labour of love and put to view for the service of this present generation and also generations to come / William Smith. Smith, William, d. 1673. 1665 (1665) Wing S4318; ESTC R26928 43,953 129

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this is to be observed that where there is no testimony there is no persecution for if the birth of the flesh can be answered in its way and not testified against it will not persecute because it is answered by its own nature and it is against its nature to persecute its self and so it is that the world loves its own and hates such as are not of it and persecutes them Q. And doth not God answer all such as are faithful in their testimony with peace and joy A. Yes he is their strength and exceeding great reward and they have much peace in him and fulness of joy in his presence Q. Why do not such as are born of the seed of God revenge themselves upon their adversaries when they may have opportunities A. Because revenge is contrary to their nature for they are born of the peaceable nature of Christ in which they love their enemies and bears good will to all men and so they lye down in the will of God and gives their back to the smiters and cannot resist nor revenge but are ready to do good to those that hates them and persecutes them not rendring evil for evil but overcoms the evil with good and herein it is manifest that they are born of God and knoweth God and so commits their cause unto him as unto a faithful creator Q. But are not such people in great bondage through outward sufferings and afflictions and is not their suffering grievous unto them A. As to their bodies they are in much bondage and sufferings but they have inward liberty in God and are the freest of all people and they count their outward afflictions but light in comparison of their inward joy and glory for they are the living babes out of whose mouths God perfects his praise and this is the change wrought in man by the mighty power of God in which power the everlasting kingdome is known and the riches of it inherited in which the babes sits down rejoycing in the midst of outward tribulations and they learn the new songs and sings them with new tongues with which they magnifie the Lamb that lives for ever and ever Even so Amen Glory be to the most high over all Something concerning the Foundation and Principle of the poor afflicted people of God called QUAKERS Quest VVHat is the ground and foundation which you that are called Quakers do lay to your selves as the principle of your Religion A. sw Our ground and foundation is Jesus Christ who is the only begotten of the Father and God hath layed it for us and not we to our selves and it is a sure foundation in it self and also sure unto us as being layd of God for us and this is the foundation and principle of our Religion Q. Where do you hold forth this foundation to be laid which you say is laid God for you A. It is laid of God within us and the rock of our safety and so we hold forth to be a sure foundation as knowing the strength and power of it which defends it self that the gates of Hell cannot prevail against it nor against us that stand stedfast upon it Q. How do you manifest this inward foundation which you say is Christ to be the true and only foundation which God hath laid A. From the feeling that we have of it by which we know that it is sure in us and from that sure and certain knowledge which we have of it in the feeling we manifest it from its own nature and being unto its own nature and being in others Q. What is the nature and being of it A. It is unchangeable in light life power wisdom and glory full of all goodness virtue and mercy and in its nature and being is unmoveable Q. How do you manifest it to be the only foundation and that there is not another A. From the unchangeableness of its own nature and being for wee know that God doth not lay any visible or changable things for a foundation but that which is of himselfe within and is invinsible to the natural eye and unchangable in its own nature that is the foundation which God layeth and wee know no man can lay another Q. And is that which is within you the only foundation upon which you stand and the principle of your Religion A. That of God within us is so for we know it is Christ and being Christ it must needs be onely and principal for that which is onely admits not of another and that which is principal is greatest in being and thus we know Christ in us to be unto us the onely and principal who was before all things and in whom all things consist Q. But doe you hold that this foundation and principle within you is sufficient to give eternal life A. Yes we doe so for as we know that it is Christ in us so we also know the eternal life which is in him and that he is sufficient to give eternal life from his own fulness unto as many as receives him in the gift of his grace manifest within them Q. How came you to the knowledge of that foundation and principle which you say is within you A. By the light which is manifest from it that in our hearts gives us the light of the knowledge of it Q. How doe you know that it is a true light which gives you such a knowledg A. By the operation and effects of it Q. How doth it operate unto such a knowledge A. By the strength of its power in us whereby that knowledge which was gained through comprehending comes to decay and dye and a loss comes upon all that which hath any way been fetched in by the motion of the earthly wisdome Q. And doth it effect such a thing in you by its operation A. Yes it worketh effectually in us to the crucifying of that nature which hath rebelled against God Q. Doth it operate unto such effects in you without Faith A. Nay for it is the foundation and principle of our faith and as our Faith stands in it we know the operation and effects of it by our Fath and in this Faith we please God because we believe that by his power in us he is able to subdue all things to himself Q. How come you to receive this Faith A. By yeilding our selves to the manifestation of the light whereby we come to be drawn and gathered into the nature of it and so receives Faith in it as the gift of God Q. But have you not some Faith in it before you yeild your selves unto it A. We have a perswasion wrought in us that it is of God and so yeilds our selves unto it as being perswaded that it is truth and by yeilding our selves unto it and receiving of it in its manifestation we thereby come into union with it and knowes it to be the author and finisher of our Faith Q. And doth that Faith give you assurance of eternal life
from the evil seed are produced A. They are generally included in those things which are by people unregenerated observed who are called the world or worldly people and so the pride of life is not of the Father but of the world that is a manifestation of the nature of the evil seed which ruleth in the world and so it is concerning all other things which are observed by people unregenerated who are not of the Father but of the world Q. And cannot those that are born of the seed of God joyn with those things which by the world are observed A. Nay there is an impossibility lyes there also for they are born of another nature and there is no agreement in contraryes either in nature or manifestation Q. And doth not the world or the birth of the flesh despise and hate the birth born of God because it cannot answer what is observed in that nature A. Yes and also persecutes it and that is the ground of all envy strife and persecution outward because the birth born of God delights to do the will of God and the will of God being contrary to the will of man the birth born of the will of man hates the birth born of God and persecutes it Q. And doth the birth born of God endure persecution without resisting or revenging A. Yes for it suffers in the will of God and so lyes down in the patience and quietness in which it hath true contentment and peace through all things that comes to pass by outward tryals and afflictions Q. Then is it not the birth of the flesh that strives and persecutes about Religion A. Yes for the nature of it is envy and where it is not bowed unto then it persecutes and spoyles and destroys in its envious nature and so revenges it self in cruelty upon such as cannot walk in its way Q. And doth not God wonderfully appear with his own birth in a state of outward tryals and sufferings A. Yes more wonderfully then can be expressed in words Q. How doth he appear with it in such a state A. In his endless love mercy and goodness through which his bowels of compassion breaketh in tenderness unto his afflicted children whereby they receive strength in him to stand in every tryal that comes upon them for their faithfulness unto him Q. And do all born of God put their trust in him alone A. Yes for they have not another to trust in besides him therefore they wholly cast their care upon him in all conditions and he forsakes them not in their adversity but strengthens their faith and keeps them in patience to endure unto the end Q. And what doth outward afflictions work for such as are exercised in them A. They work for much good every way for thereby man comes to see his own nothingness and emptyness and is brought into humbleness of minde to wait upon God for the renewing of his strength in the present exercise that he may not be weary nor faint in it Q. Then is it not good to be exercised in outward afflictions A. Man is not to make choice of any thing but to stand in the will of God and if for the exercise of his Conscience towards God afflictions do betide him then he will feel it work for much good but the choice of it in his own will doth not bring any comfort Q. Is there any chuses outward sufferings in their own will A. There may that come to passe through the will as may cause outward sufferings but it cannot be truly said that the will chuses the sufferings but may act or practice such things as may cause outward sufferings to be inflicted Q. How may it be known when a man suffers in the will of God and when he suffers for any thing done in his owne will A. It may be known by the motion of Gods power in him for by the power the understanding is informed into the truth as also what is not of the truth and so the power constraines a man that is joyned unto it to bear witness unto the truth and against that which is out of the truth and whoever comes into outward sufferings for rhe exercise of their Conscience in this testimony they suffer in the will of God but such as barely from the Scriptures concludes something to themselves either to be truth or not the truth and so puts their own conclusions into practice and then for their own conclusions comes to suffer it cannot be truly said of such That they suffer in the will of God or that they chuse sufferings in their own wills but in their wills have concluded something to themselves and have chosen their own conclusions which in practice differs from the practice established by Nations Laws for which cause there are some that comes into outward sufferings but more in that place which chuses liberty rather Q. But may not a man in wisdome so order himself as to escape all outward sufferings concerning the exercise of his Conscience by conforming to the requirings of the present times and yet keep a good conscience towards God A. Man in his own wisdom may so order himself as to escape all outward sufferings in that place by conforming but this is to be understood that such a man doth not stand in the will of God neither in so doing can he stand with a good Conscience towards God for he that conforms to any practice which man observeth being convinced that such a practice is not according to the mind and will of God and so would escape outward sufferings by conforming and doth not stand in the power of God to bear a testimony for God that man is not born of the seed of God Q. In what doth the testimony of God stand A. It stands in the seed which hath the mind of God and delights to do the will of God Q. And do all born of the seed bear forth a testimony for God A. Yes they have a testimony in the seed and such stands in the power and bears witness unto the truth and are not ashamed of their testimony Q. What do such bear testimony unto A. To the truth as it is in Jesus holding forth his life power wisdom righteousness holiness meekness and patience with all the graces and virtues of his pure life Q. And what do they testifie against A. They testifie against all deceit and wickedness vain customs fashions and traditions of the world against all hypocrisie and double-mindedness will-worships and self-righteousness with all things generally that is manifested by the birth of the flesh Q. And is that the ground why outward afflictions betide those that are born of the seed of God and bears forth a testimony for God A. Yes for the seed of the evil doer being at enmity against the seed of God it labours every way to suppress the testimony of it and so the birth of the fl●sh hath alwayes persecuted the birth of the spirit and