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A80499 A Copy of a letter, with its answer, concerning a contest at VVorcester between a minister and a Quaker. 1656 (1656) Wing C6167; Thomason E875_5; ESTC R206567 4,011 7

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A Copy of a Letter with its Answer concerning a contest at VVorcester between a Minister and a Quaker Dear Friend I AM informed of a great and late contest at Worcester in publike between a Doctor of Physick and a Minister wherein the Minister non-plust his opposite and substantially proved his Calling and Ministry true and Divine but asking the Reporters how or by what Scriptures or Arguments he did so prove it they cannot inform me wherefore let me intreat to hear from you the full truth both of manner and matter how he proved the same c. for indeed both with us and in many other places in this Nation our best and ablest Ministers are at so great a loss and so hard put to it in this some other respects wanting that power and authority to back and make good their Arguments which formerly they had that I cannot but much pitty them and fear what may become of them at last Thus desiring your speedy return with my love to you and your Bed-fellow presented I rest Feb. 25. 1655. The Answer followeth SIR ALthough less able to answer your desire in yours of the 25. Instant then others who were present at the contest yet what I know thereof upon exactest inquiry I shall declare unto you which in effect is as followeth THIS Contest was in Saint Swithins Church on Friday the 22. of Feb. between one Edward Born a Physician termed a Quaker and one Mr. Baker a Minister in Worcester where the said Edward Born charged the said Mr. Baker to be no true Minister of Christ his reason was because he did not abide in the Doctrrine of Christ to which a by-stander answered Every Beleever ought to abide in Christs Doctrine therefore that was no special Mark to denote a true Minister by to which might have been replyed It being the duty of every Beleever it s the Duty of every Minister much more But I conceive Edward B●rns Reason deficient more upon another ground to wit because the Doctrine or Gospel of Christ is altogether as much controverted for in the world what it is as the Ministers of Christ whom or where it is and therefore to seek to prove one doubtfull thing by another as doubtfull is no better then beating the Air. But at Edward Borns departure there was a loud and very uncivill * he that hack'd cloth beyond Justice and honesty strain'd zeal beyond wisdom and modesty Prov. 13.16 clapping of hands and hissing by some then present of rude breeding and behaviour after which Mr. Baker taking the Pulpit undertook to prove the truth of his own Ministry † Which if he could do he would do al at once for then he ought to be heard as Christ or God himself Luk. 10.16 Divine Calling to preach the Gospel for which purpose he cited Matt. 28.18 19 20. where Christ telling his Apostles that all Power was given to him both in Heaven and Earth gave them Commission to preach the Gospel in all Nations promising to be with them alway even to the end of the world where he reasoned to this effect This promise here is not to be confined to these his eleven Apostles who lived not long after but is to be extended to their successors who from age to age were to continue on earth to the end of the world and he being ordained subordinately from these Apostles and by that Authority there given to them Power and Authority was directed successively from hand to hand to him whereby he was made and doth stand a true Minister of the Gospel of Christ and this he offered to maintain for truth against all that should contradict or would oppose the same But this our confident yong man might have considered 1. That to the end of the world there may in probability be understood to the uttermost part of the earth as in Acts 8. where the extent hath reference toplace not to time 2. But admit this Promise of Christ his being with his true Ministers to the end of the world be absosolute as he expounded it yet how can this directly or by any good consequence prove M. Bakers Ministry true or to be derived from these Apostles any more then it proves the Pope and all his Mass-Priests Ministry to be true and derived from them Obj. But Mr. Baker moreover alledgeth a Seal which he had to his Ministry proving the truth thereof meaning men convicted by him to beleeve and imbrace his Doctrine c. Ans Had not the Arians this Seal when their Doctrine was so generally received throughout Christendom as it caused an ancient Father to say that the whole world was become an Arrian And have not the Anabaptists the Quakers and many other in our times esteemed by Mr. Baker Hereticks Schismaticks or at least deceivers who have this Seal as much and more then Mr. Baker nay Mahomet himself upon this account will much outvie M. Baker and may be proved a true Prophet and to be sent by the most High God But if it be well considered it will appear that the aforesaid promise of Christ recorded in Mat. 28. is Conditional and therefore cannot serve for that purpose for which it was alledged the Text bearing this Reading and sense viz. Going therefore disciplize or make Disciples all or in all Nations † here is not meant the baptism with Water as is generally held by such as would be accounted true Ministers and sent of God baptizing them into the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Ghost teaching them to wit the baptized Disciples to observe all things without adding omitting or diminishing any thing whatsoever I have commanded you and lo to wit in your so doing I am with you alway even to the end of the world Now there is nothing more evident in Scripture then this viz. That Christ taught yea and straightly charged and commanded these his eleven Apostles that they should not go out in the exercise of that their Commission or high Ministerial Function of preaching the Gospel until they were indued with power from on high by the coming down of the Holy Ghost upon them Luke 24.29 Acts 1.4 5.8 which was fulfilled within few days after Act. 2.3 4 whereby they were inabled not only to attest the truth and Divine Authority of that their Ministry and Doctrine Mark 16.29 Acts 5.12.15 16. Heb. 2.4 but were also made able Ministers of the Spirit to beleevers by laying their hands on them Acts 8.15 16 17. Acts 19.1 2.6 compared with Eph. 1.13 2 Cor. 3.6 Acts 2.38 39. 2 Tim. 1.6 Hence therefore may be reasoned If Mr. Baker will derive the Authority of his Ministry subordinately from these eleven Apostles to himself as aforesaid he must then also in like manner derive the force and virtue of this * here our new Preachers and Divines of what kind size or sort soever may take notice of their running also before they be sent the