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to haue of the holie Trinitie VERILOQVVS THe same which the Church holdeth and alloweth of that there is one true liuing and eternall God Iohn 4. Iohn 1. 1. Tim. 6. 2. Cor. 13. Ioh. 1.4.6 Sap. 11. the which is without bodie partes and passions bicause he is a spirit whom neuer anie man yet saw neither can sée nor know but Christ for he can not be séene with carnall eies and he is the God of peace and loue louing all and hating nothing that he hath made he is of infinite power wisdome goodnes and mercie the creatour preseruer and nourisher of all things visible and inuisible which deliuereth vs from euill Esai 43. Iohn 3. Rom. 5. And in the vnitie of this same diuine nature there are thrée distinct persons of the like power essence wisdome glorie and eternitie that is to saie the Father the Sonne and the Holie-ghost which are the blessed Trinitie And the sonne of God 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 patris Iohn 1. the word of the father is the second person in this Trinitie the true euerlasting glorious and omnipotent God 2. Cor. 4. Col. 1. begotten before all worlds of his eternall father and is his verie image being of like substance togither with him Col. 2. in whome are the treasures of wisdome and of knowledge and fulnes of diuine power He tooke vpon him in the wombe of the blessed virgin Marie humane nature of hir substance and was borne in the world in somuch that there is conioined fullie and perfectlie in the vnitie of person a double nature neuer to be separated that is the nature of God and of man wherof is made one Christ perfect God and perfect man sinne onlie excepted who suffered vnder Pontius Pilate 1. Tim 2. 1. Ioh. 2.4 Eph. 3. Rom. 5.8 Act. 2. and became the mediator betwéene God and man that in him onlie should be found the sufficiencie of remission of all sinnes both originall and actuall for all them that euer were or shal be vpon the face of the earth And the Holie-ghost is the third person in this Trinitie which procéedeth from the father and the sonne and is the holie and diuine power 1. Rom. 10 whereby mens harts are renewed from heauen he is of like essence power glorie and maiestie with the father and the sonne with whome he is coequall coeternall and God euerlasting by whome we comprehend the things of God for he giueth witnesse to our harts 1. Iohn 2. that we are of God by the which also Rom. 1. Gal. 5. 1. Pet. 2. we call vpon the father with confidence faith to be saued by Christ which is the bishop of our soules FALSIL. God made all things and without him was made nothing that was made Iohn 1. Wisd 1. But God made not death sin nor the diuell Therefore God made not all things VERIL. The fallacie lieth in the consequent which must be denied Almightie God that is all wisdome infinit power and goodnes created all things in such excellent goodnes that it is said Valde sunt bona Gen. 1. They were all passing good and God saw that they were good then he blessed them and his sentence is not to be reuoked bicause he being without bodie parts and passions cannot repent And as the diuell was not euer a diuell from the beginning for the Apostle saith Angeli qui non seruarunt originem suam Iude. The Angels which kept not there first estate so he was created and that an Angell of light and not a diuell Colos 3. For God being most perfectly good could not consent to make anie thing but that which was good and his owne pride made himselfe a diuell the author of sinne the heire of eternall fier Matt. 25. Then he tempting our first parents by the apple of disobedience made them likewise so sinfull that by Adam we are all sinners Rom. 5. of whome we haue the inclination to doo euill and then consequentlie followed death and was engendred of our said parents déeds as the onelie fruite of their lewd stubborne disobedience which they learned of Sathans disobedience Sic diaboli inuidia Wisd 2. mors intrauit in mundum So by the enuie of the diuell death entred into the world Rom. 6. And S. Paule saith Stipendium peccati mors est Death is the reward of sinne which still increased and wickednes multiplied by the reason men were tempted drawne awaie and entised of their owne concupiscence Iacob 1. then lust conceiued and brought foorth sinne and sin when it was finished brought foorth death So that then God tooke vnto him death for the punishment of sinne that therewith he might correct the wicked teaching them that transgressors might not lawfullie sin without punishment So it is said in another place Ignis Eccle. 39. grando fames mors omnia haec creata sunt ad vindictam Fier haile hunger and death all these are created for vengeance that is to saie after the fall of man God appointed and exercised all these things for the punishment of the wicked wherby he tooke vengeance of his enimies Rom. 1. and dooth vse them as an instrument to strike the wicked withall and oftentimes dooth punish one sinne with another Thus we doo now see Iaco. 1.17 that Omne donum bonum ac perfectum à patre luminum Euerie good and perfect gift commeth downe from the father of lights and that he made not death sinne nor the diuell in his diuelishnes from the beginning Wisd 1. for he is not delighted in Perditione viuorum in the destruction of the liuing nor can be the author of anie damnation though his wrath and iustice powreth downe his plagues vpon the children of disobedience and vnbeléefe dailie Esaie 5. bicause they drawe sinne vnto them as it were with a cart rope according to the prophets saieng FALSIL. How much shall adulterie be punished by the censure of Gods holie word VERIL. Adulterie which is the violation and breach of the faith promised in mariage a thing odious and forbidden of God Exod. 20. Leui. 18. Deut. 5. is so gréeuouslie punished of him that all adulterers shall without they doo truelie repent bée cast awaie into vtter darkenes 1. Corin. 6. Hebru 13. Ierem. 8. which is without the kingdome of God And if men doo not punish adulterers God himselfe will surelie punish them 2. Reg. 12. As we haue an example of king Dauids sonne which Vrias wife bare vnto him whom the Lord so stroke with sicknes for the adulterie of his father that it fell sicke and died the seuenth daie after Mala. 3. Thus the Lord himselfe verelie will be a swift witnes against all adulterers FALSIL. Carnall copulation is the ordinarie meanes onelie for mankind to be encreased and multiplied and to fill the world Genesi 1. God commanded Adam and Eue to encrease and multiplie and fill the world
which generall act of the Holie-ghost was after transferred to the Church which he nourisheth by singular meanes and defendeth it Next the holie-ghost spake by the prophets Thirdlie he appeered in the likenes of a dooue at the baptisme of Christ Fourthlie Matt. 3. he was manifested to the disciples in the daie of pentecost in the shape of firie toongs Act. 2. which patefactions are certeine testimonies that the Holie-ghost is an other person than the father and the sonne FALSIL. Christ saith Iohn 16. The Holie-ghost shall lead you into all truth Therefore Christ taught not his disciples all truth but the Holie-ghost will reueale some new things as the masse traditions and worshipping of the papisticall church VERIL. I denie the consequent and answer by distinction for Christ speaketh of the same veritie which is reuealed in his word as he saith in another place Sermo tuus est veritas Iohn 17. quam spiritus sanctus illustrabit Thy word is the truth which the Holie-ghost shall open He speaketh not of those things which God hath not opened to his church in his holie word as to know the time of our deaths when the daie of iudgement shal be or such like the curious searching out whereof is the rashnes of man forbidden by this saieng Scrutator maiestatis opprimetur à gloria The searcher out of the maiestie of God shall be confounded with his glorie FALSIL. What is the certeine note and marke of the presence of the Holie-ghost VERIL. The spirituall or good motions of the hart as is praier and inuocation the loue to heare the word of God and the true imbracing of the same whereas there are no such motions felt there the Holie-ghost is not and such as are without these good féelings are no true members of the church according to that saieng Rom. 8. Qui non habet spiritum Christi non est eius He that hath not the spirit of Christ is none of his 2. Reg. 11. Iohn 18. except they doo returne to God by repentance and conuersion as Dauid Manasses Peter and such other did which receiued againe the Holie-ghost by repentance and faith that was put awaie from them by their falles contrarie to their owne conscience FALSIL. What is the office of Christ VERIL. First Christs office is by his preaching to open to vs and his church his fathers eternall will Next to offer him selfe vp a sacrifice to his father for the redemption of all the world and to deliuer his vniuersall church from death sinne and the tyrannie of the diuell FALSIL. Act. 12. Nero killed Paule Herod killed Iohn and Iames Therefore Christ deliuereth not his church giueth hir no peace nor victorie against hir enimies VERIL. Christ giueth vs the eternall victorie which hereafter we shall behold And now we haue the victorie also howbeit we can not see it with corporall eies for the church is preserued though the diuell rage and horriblie inuade it God defendeth it maruelouslie without anie mans power or strength as the father himselfe saith Seruabo vos non in arcu Ose 1. nec in gladio sed in Domino Deo vestro I will not deliuer you through my bowe or sword but in the Lord your God that is in my sonne which is your Lord and your God Also God saith in Zacharie Ego ero igneus murus vester Zachar. 2. I will be to you a wall of fier round about FALSIL. When began the kingdome of Christ in mankind VERIL. The kingdome of Christ or the presence of the sonne of God was in mankind streightwaies from the beginning of the making and receiuing of man among the fathers prophets and the godlie people of the old Testament as Irenaeus saith Semper adest 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 humano generi The word that is the sonne of God was alwaies present with mankind Also S. Paule saith Christus hodie heri Hebr. 13. in omnia secula Christ yesterdaie and to daie and the same continueth for euer the author of truth and goodnes FALSIL. The taking awaie of an other mans thing against the owners will is theft Matth. 21. Christ commanded the asse and hir colt to be brought vnto him and that against the owners will Therefore Christ did not well VERIL. The minor is to be denied Christ was the superior Lord of this people although he vsed not that his externall power and right bicause he came to be made a sacrifice for our sins yet notwithstanding he had power ouer this people as he himselfe saith Dominus hijs opus habet Matth. 21. The Lord hath néede of them Againe he tooke not awaie the asse against the owners will but with his good will when the disciples had alleged vnto him the cause of taking hir awaie declaring their message which the Lord gaue them in charge to doo FALSIL. When shall the kingdome of Christ which is the collecting of his church end VERIL. In the last daie when as the Apostle saith 1. Cor. 15. Regnum patri suo tradet He shall deliuer vp the kingdome to his father ouercomming all his enimies and his churches as sin death sathan hell all tyrants for then shall we see the verie sonne of God which is corporall he will bring vs vnto his father there shall he present his church before his eternall father then shall we beginne to see and know the father visiblie whose fruition is eternall life In the meane season the kingdome of Christ is named in vs bicause it dwelleth in vs by his ministerie And trulie therefore is his word sent vnto vs for he is called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 both in respect of vs and of his father also And the Apostle here speaketh of Christs kingdome in this world 1. Cor. 15. whereby he congregateth his church together and dooth mightilie defend it by his infinite power and mercie without corporall violence FALSIL. The minister of the gospell ought not to vse corporall violence Christ vsed corporall violence in whipping the biers and fellers out of the temple Iohn 2. Therefore Christ did not well VERIL. This may be answered thrée waies First I denie the minor bicause Christ mooued not sedition neither vsed corporall violence Act. 5. But as Peter killed Ananias and Saphira his wife without corporall violence yea God him selfe quicklie destroied them so Christ here saieth Zelus domus tuae comodit me Psal 69. The zeale of thine house hath eaten me that was a certeine diuine force and indignation enflamed with the loue and desire of the affirming and propagation of the honor of God Secondlie I answer to the minor As the minister of the gospell ought not vse corporall violence truelie but in his owne house so Christ did well in casting out of these chaffering hucsters out of the temple Iohn 2. bicause it was his house and his place Thirdlie Christ is not onlie a minister of the
commandement of dooing repentance is vniuersall and the promises therevnto annexed be likewise vniuersall and includeth all people as Venite ad me omnes Matt. 11. Esaie 53. Come vnto me all yee And againe Delicta omnium nostrum tulit He hath borne all our sinnes Thus haue the seruants of God alwaies wrestled with sin that the pricking thereof should not perse them to death Thus did the woman the Cananite which acknowledged hir selfe vnworthie of Christs benefits obteine grace and mercie by faith and constancie in hir inuocation and praier FALSIL. The diuell dooth miracles and strange works what difference therefore is there betweene true miracles and false VERIL. There is a three double difference The first is taken of the substance o● miracles bicause that the diuell truelie cannot imitate or followe the true miracles or the miracles of the church as to raise vp the dead to life againe to let the course of the sun to stop the course of flouds and to make the barren to beare children The second difference may be taken of the accident that is to wit in confirmation of false worshippings and false doctrine as the ●●racles which were doone among the gentils and papists were doone of the diuell for the confirmation of idolatrie and false worshipping as the inuocation and praier to the dead contrarie to the expresse word of God saieng Thou shalt haue none other gods but me Exod. 20. And this rule is alwaies immutablie to be obserued that we must beléeue no miracle doon contrarie to the expresse word of God Also Deut. 18. Thou shalt not enquire the truth of the dead The third difference is that the miracles in the church doo repell and cast out the diuell whether he will or no Luc. 11. as Christ did cast out the dum diuell and afterward the dum spake the people maruelled the like he did other times also FALSIL. Can the holie and elect people of God fall and léese the Holie-ghost their faith 〈◊〉 grace of God and be damned VERIL. No they cannot for our sauiour Christ hath said Matth. 24. Except those daies of trouble should be shortened no flesh that is no man should be saued but for the sake of the elected those daies shal be shortned And againe False christs and false prophets shall arise and shall giue great signes and wonders insomuch that if it were possible the verie elect should be brought into error By these words it appeareth manifestlie that God in mercifull prouidence will shorten the daies of trouble that shall be towards the end of the world bicause his elected and holie people may not thereby be brought to euerlasting destruction and that it is not possible for them to be so brought into error by false christs and false prophets that they should by error be brought into euerlasting damnation 1. Cor. 10. And S. Paule hath written thus to the Corinthians God is faithfull and will not suffer you to be tempted aboue your power but euen in the midst of the temptation he will make a waie that you may be able to beare it Rom. 8. And againe to the Romans Who will laie any thing to the charge of Gods elect 2. Tim. 2. And againe to Timothie The firme foundation of God standeth stedfastlie hauing this seale God knoweth who be his But least this doctrine should encourage any man to lead a carelesse life the apostle saith in the next sentence Let euerie one that calleth vpon the name of the Lord depart from iniquitie And to the Romans There is no condemnation to them that be in Christ Iesus which walke not after the flesh Eph. 4. And to the Ephesians the apostle saith Gréeue not the holie spirit of GOD in whom you are sealed against the daie of redemption Our care is to liue without sinne according to the exhortation of th'apostle Iohn 1. Ioh. 2. My little babes I write these words to you that you should not sinne but if any man doo sin we haue an aduocate with the father euen Iesus Christ the righteous and he is the propitiation for our sins Gods elected doo sinne as the wise man saith verie often but they rise againe by repentance Prou. 24. The righteous person saith he falleth seuen times and riseth againe but the vngodly fall downe headlong into mischiefe FALSIL. The elect people are alwaies beloued of God therefore they cannot fall VERIL. The elect people are indéed beloued of God and so beloued that nothing can separate them from his loue Rom. 8. As the apostle writeth I am sure that neither death neither life neither angels neither principalities neither powers neither things present nor things to come neither fortitude neither higth neither depth neither any other creature can separate vs from the loue of God which is in Christ Iesus our Lord. But yet they may and doo fall ●s Salomon saith Prou. 24. and being downe they rise againe being lifted vp by that louing Father from whose loue their often and horrible falles cannot separate them For so God loued the world that is Iohn 3. his elect in the world that he gaue his onlie begotten son that all that beleeue in him shuld not perish but haue euerlasting life FALSIL. Tell me what is blasphemie and whether the sinne therof be remissible and pardonable or no VERIL. Blasphemare est maledicere ac malè precari al●js per nomen seu inuocationem Dei Blasphemie is a sinne against the Holie-ghost a curssing and reproching commonlie referred vnto the despite of GOD when one knowing and willinglie would adnihilate and make void the power of God and withstand the truth that a man knoweth as the Phariseis reuiled reiected Christ oppugning the truth manifested vnto them by the testimonies of God and attributed the works of Christ to the diuell Matth. 12. Marc. 3. Luc. 11. Exod. 10. and to take vpon him aboue the might of God as Pharao Senacherib and Holophernes did And touching pardon thereof I answer by distinction that they are forgiuen which sinne therein by ignorance and afterward truelie repent them thereof as S. Paule did 1. Tim. 1. which saieth that he was a blasphemer but yet he receiued mercy forgiuenes of his sinne bicause he persecuted the congregation of GOD ignorantlie And this is a generall rule euer inuiolablie to be obserued Venite ad me omnes qui laboratis Matth. 11. Come vnto me all ye that are heauie laden with the burthen of sinne c Vius ego dicit Dominus Eze. 18.33 1. Tim. 2. Rom. 5. As sure as I liue saith the Lord I will not haue the death of a sinner but rather that he should conuert and liue And that God would haue all men to be saued Againe Gratia exuberat super delictum Grace is more aboundant than sinne We must déeme of the will of God according to these saiengs of scripture and promises and not after our owne
into externall or actuall sin but they repented Rom. 8. asked forgiuenes beléeued in Christ according to this saieng Nulla est condemnatio his qui insiti sunt in Iesu Christo qui non secundum carnem viuunt sed secundū spiritum There is no condemnation for them that be grafted in Christ Iesu which liue not according to the flesh but according to the spirit So the apostles also did kéepe the word of Christ as Christ himselfe saith Tui erant mihi dedisti eos Iohn 17. serm●nem tuum seruarunt They were thine O father and thou gauest them me and they haue kept thy word that is as much to saie as They had the beginning of their faith of me and new obedience although there were in them much infirmitie darkenesse and doubtfulnes and their faith verie féeble Luke 17. as they themselues did testifie saieng Domine adauge nobis fidem Lord increase our faith FALSIL. Is it not lawfull to giue men thanks sith we receiue benefits of them VERIL. Whatsoeuer benefits and goodnesse men do to vs 1. Cor. 12. 2. Cor. 9. we ought to account them receiued of GOD bicause he alone in verie déed dooth giue vs them by the ministerie of men which are second meanes and instrumentall causes therein so that our thankfulnesse redoundeth to the glorie of God Matt. 5. 1. Pet. 2. the true and finall end of all our actions or dooings FALSIL. The gentiles knew the power of God Christ is the power of God therefore the gentiles knowe the power of Christ and by a consequent the gentiles are saued VERIL. I denie the consequent bicause there is a double power of God that is to wit there is one power of his creation described in the lawe and this power onlie did the Gentiles knowe without the promise of the mediatour how that God requireth righteousnes and punisheth the vnrighteous Gods double power And there is another power of saluation by Christ the son of God which is two waies called the power of the father first naturall and next of saluation For although the sonne was with the father yet the scripture speaketh of him that he is God and man which was sent into the world for this purpose that he should be the propitiatour or obteiner of mercie and the quickener of mankind Therefore there was a farre other and greater light of the knowledge of God and faith in Abraham than there was in Cicero Plato and Xenophon c. FALSIL. What is it to keepe the word of Christ VERIL. It is not to kéepe his testament safe in our bosome or in our chests but it is certeinlie to determine in our faith that God is reconciled and at peace with vs and that our sinnes are freelie forgiuen vs for his sonne Christes sake and that righteousnes is imputed vnto vs by him whereby we haue eternall life and also doo beginne a new obedience without the which no man can haue the true faith as the apostle saieth 1. Tim. 1. Milita bonam militum retinens fidem bonam conscientiam Fight a good fight kéeping the faith and a good conscience FALSIL. Tell me Iohn 8. what is it neuer to sée death nor to taste of hir as Christ saieth VERIL. It is not to feele the sorrowes of death and of hell whereof the psalmist saieth Circundederunt me dolores mortis dolores inferni inuenerunt me Psalm 17. The sorrowes of death haue compassed me round about and the paines of hell haue gotten hold on me Those that are quickened in their faith doo not sée nor taste of such sorrowes Quia pacem habent cum Deo per fidem Rom. 5. Bicause they are at peace with God thorough faith FALSIL. Wherein ought a man to take comfort in the time of his persecution Iohn 8. VERIL. In the example of Christ at whom the Iewes did cast stones but Christ escaped from the hands of his enimies without anie harme First bicause the time of his passion appointed of God his father from the beginning was not yet come Next bicause that the Messias or the sauiour ought not to die with anie kind of death Deut. 21. Gala. 3. but by hanging on the tree of the crosse as it is said Maledictus pro nobis factus est He is made accurssed for vs. 1. Cor. 15. FALSIL. 1. Cor. 15. Saint Paule saith that in the later daie the sonne will deliuer vp the kingdome to God the father Luke 1. Therefore the kingdome of Christ shall not be euerlasting as the angell said it should be VERIL. In this place S. Paule speaketh of the kingdome of Christ in this world wherby he gathereth together his church and preserueth it against hir enimies This kingdome of Christes truelie shall end in the last daie and then he will present his church before his father who together with the sonne and the Holie-ghost shall be all in all FALSILOQVVS Exod. 12. When did the Iewes offer vp their pascall or figuratiue lambe VERILOQVVS Euer in the first moneth of the yeare which is March with vs vpon the twelfe daie in the vernall equinoctium which lambe signified Christ whose death is called sinne Rom. 8. as the apostle saith Peccato damnauit peccatum in carne By sinne he damned sinne in the flesh Hebr. 10. Hebr. 8. when he was offered vp once sufficientlie for our sinnes No sacrifice then is left vs after the death of Christ but the sacrifice of righteousnesse and of thanks giuing Further Psalm 4. Psalm 50. as the Iewes were woont to offer vp lambes in their ordinarie sacrifices and euer one lambe at Easter so Christ is our pascall lambe as it is said Ecce agnus Dei Iohn 1. qui tollit peccata mundi Behold the lambe of God that taketh awaie the sins of the world The Iewes kept this ceremonie about 1540. yeares For there are so manie yeares from their comming out of Aegypt to the yeare of the passion resurrectiō of Christ after which time the ceremonie of eating the pascall or typicall lambe ceased FALSIL. No man is iustified by onelie knowledge as the diuell is not iust nor saued although there be excellent knowlege in him Therefore it is not rightlie said The knowledge of God shall iustifie manie Esai 53. VERIL. I answer to the antecedent It is a figure of spéech for the Hebrues in their words of knowing doo comprehend the effect as in this saieng Nouit viam Dominus iustorum The Lord knoweth the waie of the righteous Psal 1. that is to saie The Lord considereth regardeth their waie Also knowledge here dooth signifie light in our minds next the motion of our heart or the trust of our mind resting on God the father 1. Tim. 2. Hebr. 4.7.8.9.12 1. Iohn 2. Ephes 3. Rom. 5.8 Iohn 15. through Christ the onelie mediator betwéene God man The diuell and the wicked
people haue not this trust confidence in God bicause they doo not apprehend and take hold on the sonne of God by faith neither doo they comfort themselues by his benefits in the time of fearefulnes of death and sinne for it is thus said of the diuels Damines credunt contremiscunt Iacob 2. The diuels beléeue and tremble FALSIL. Esaie 53. Esaie saith of Christ that he did beare the sinnes of manie Therefore he did not beare the sinnes of all 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And by a consequent Christes death is not a sufficient sacrifice for all men and God hath a scroll of those that be elected to eternall life for which onlie the sonne of God died VERIL. I denie the consequent For the promise of the gospell is vniuersall as Christ saieth Matth. 11. Venite ad me omnes qui laboratis Come vnto me all ye that labour Rom. 3. S. Paule saieth Non est distinctio There is no difference Againe Rom. 10. Deus est diues in omnes God is rich towards all Therefore the prophet maketh no distinction touching the benefits of Christ his death which is auaileable and sufficient for all men 1. Ioh. 2. as the apostle saith Et ipse est propitiatio pro peccatis totius mundi And he is the propitiation and the obteinment of mercie for the sinnes of all the whole world but touching the men themselues whereof some apprehend the benefits of Christ by faith and other some willinglie reiect and cast awaie the same from them so that they themselues be the causers ●o themselues of their owne damnation making Christes death rather to serue to their damnation than to their saluation by their disobedience and lacke of faith as it appéereth by them in the parable that were bidden to the mariage and yet they would not come Matth. 22. Others expound this word manie for all mankind as here is the like Matth. 26. Hic calix est noui testamenti qui pro vobis pro multis effunditur in remissionem peccatorum This cup is of the new testament which is shed for you and for manie that is for all for the forgiuenes of sinnes FALSIL. Died Christ I praie you tell me then for all men or no VERIL. No. Christ died for none Iohn 3. Act. 13. but for such as laie hold on him by a liuelie faith and as for infidels blasphemers obstinate sinners and all such as take plesure to perseuere and continue wilfullie and gréedilie in wickednes contrarie to their owne conscience contemptuouslie casting as it were Gods mercies from them his death truelie shall be to them death and not life FALSIL. He that is dead saith S. Paule is iustified from sinne Rom. 5. Iudas is dead Therefore he is iustified and by a consequent is righteous VERIL. I denie the consequent First bicause there is an vnlikenesse in the example For Christ of whom the apostle speaketh here died innocentlie and willinglie as it is written Hebru 5. Voluntate eius sanctificati sumus We are sanctified by his will He praied for vs with teares Et exauditus est propter reuerentiam And was heard for his reuerence or willing obedience But Iudas and all other wicked doo die vnwillinglie and against their wils by the compulsion of sathan with fretting and repining against God Christ truelie perceiued and felt as it were a strugling and wrestling in his flesh Matt. 26. like as he saieth Spiritus est promptus caro autem infirma The spirit is willing but the flesh is fraile yet notwithstanding he fretted not nor was angrie with God as were Iudas Saule and Caine but willinglie made himselfe obedient to his fathers will as he himselfe confessed Non voluntas mea sed tua fiat Not my will but thine oh father be fulfilled Againe it is written Oblatus est quia voluit He was offered vp bicause he would willinglie And so the saints of God as Iohn Paule Peter and such others were obedient to the will of God in their death and crosse but yet their will and obedience was farre otherwaies differing from the will of the sonne of God as Christ himselfe said to Peter Alius te cinget ducet quò non vis Iohn 21. Another shall girt thée and lead thée whither thou wouldest not Further all saints also are sinners and trespassers and therefore their obedience is no merit or desert sufficient to purchase either their owne righteousnesse or anie other mans as the obedience of Christ is a sufficient merit or desert for to worke the righteousnesse of all the true faithfull people dispersed through the whole world vpon the face of the earth wheresoeuer FALSIL. What is that which we doo call the propitiation of sinnes VERIL. It is the death of the sonne of God which in Gréeke is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a satisfaction and a sacrifice for the sins of mankind Therfore it comprehendeth both the cause efficient promeriting for vs the forgiuenes of our sins and the effect which is the reconciliation of vs with God and the gift of eternall life FALSIL. We are the swéet bread as S. Paule saith therfore we néed not to be purged 1. Cor. 5. VERIL. I answer by distinction we are indéed the swéet bread by imputation and inchoation but not in perfection Therefore it is necessarie that we alwaies increase in new obedience as the prophets Christ and the apostles doo still crie vnto vs saieng Agite poenitentiam Repent repent and our sinne therefore is not imputed to vs bicause Christ is offered vp for vs Et deleuit chirographum aduersus nos scriptum And hath put out the hand writing that was written against vs and hath fastened it to his crosse whereby he hath wiped awaie our sinnes The theefe hanging with Christ vpon the crosse is a sufficient testimonie thereof And further S. Paule saith Exuite veterem hominem induite nouum Put off the old man and put on the new man FALSIL. What vse and fruit haue we Christians of the resurrection of Christ VERIL. We haue our iustification For God dooth forgiue vs our sinnes for Christes sake which died for vs and rose againe for our iustification and reckoneth vs righteous though the remnant of sinne still hangeth on vs as S. Paule saith Christus traditus est in mortem propter peccata nostra Rom. 4. resurrexit propter iustificationem nostram Christ was put to death for our sinnes and rose againe for our iustification that is to saie Christes death is a satisfaction for our sinnes whereby the wrath of God the father is pacified and by Christes resurrection the righteousnesse of Christ is imputed vnto vs which is begunne in vs here in this world and finished and perfected with eternall life in the world to come Whereby Ieremie calleth Christ our iustification Ierem. 33. And Christ himselfe speaketh of this righteousnes in Oseas where as it is