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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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it all into fancies FFFFF Some of them make the world eternall others all creatures to perish They make God personally to subsist in every creature they make him the life of all the living and his essence the proper form of all things GGGGG Some of them make the world eternall going on in a continuall generation and succession of things as now we see them HHHHH others make all to be destroyed Some deny all resurrection others makes the bests rise to glory heaven and earth and what ever is therein for ever to perish and nothing of any creature to remain but that portion of the Divine essence which was in them and gave them their beeing IIIII Some of them that admit of a resurrection after this life make it generall of all creatures that ever have been even of beasts birds and fishes to a new life of glory KKKKK They teach abominable obscenities I reade not that their Doctrine is yet so extremely obscene as that of David George yet here also they are come prety near him for two of their Teachers M. Gorting and Mistresse Attaway with their Disciples have declared themselves for the dissolution of all unequall Marriages and such are all those with persons of a different mind from themselves LLLLL That which we have heard of their practising of incest is now publickly avowed in print they do not with David George lay aside all naturall relations in matter of marriage they will not passe the consideration of Father and Mother Brother and Sister but which is worse they will have these relations to be grounds of a Matrimoniall conjunction as if these marriages were most laudable which are betwixt persons nearest in bloud Brother and Sister Father and Daughter Mother and Sonne Uncle and Neece this spirit of abominable villany doth now walk in publick among us MMMMM whereunto if you will adde M. Miltons doctrine of dismissing wives so oft as men please MMMMM 2 you shall make it lawfull for every man once a month to marry if they were thirty of his nearest kinswomen a wickednesse which David George himself did never think of They follow David George in his greatest absurdities But that which was David George his chief wickednesse in debasing the administrations of God and advancing himself above all that is called God making the dispensation of the Law the Kingdome of the Father the preaching of the Gospel the carnall Kingdome of the Son but his own Ministery to be above both the Ministery of the holy Ghost in a new world of love whereof himself was the great Prophet farre more excellent then all before him this madnesse is also in the midst of us Attaway made it the subject of divers of her Sermons that the Kingdom of the holy Ghost and of love more excellent then that of Christs was now at the doors NNNNN That Jerusalem was quickly to be builded and from thence extraordinary Prophets to be sent for the preaching of the eternall Gospel OOOOO And now much sooner then we expected before one stone is laid in Jerusalem behold the great Prophet is come and has printed his Divine light The Divine light of their new great Prophet proclaiming himself the anointed of the Lord for this great service of preaching the eternall Gospel PPPPP assuring that all who opposeth him are not onely apostates Arians Antichrists The fall of Adam the clearest Scriptures are but allegories but also very incarnate Devils QQQQQ The rare mysteries which this great Prophet brings to the world from heaven are these Doctrines That the eating of the forbidden tree the burning of the world with fire and such other Scriptures are but meer allegories RRRRR That the humane nature of Christ is a Person The whole Trinity suffered in the person of Christs humanity That there is no union of the second Person of the Godhead therewith but that all the three Persons in the time of the Passion did come down and subsist in his humane Person That all the three Persons did truly suffer in the humane Person of Christ and that by the Passion of the Godhead of all the three Persons alike the world was redeemed SSSSS That the Passion of the Trinity in the humane Person of Christ was nothing but the conflict of the two Divine Attributes Mercy and Justice the one with the other TTTTT That the former days of the Gospel were Christs private Kingdome and the world of Esaus curse wherein Christ did sit as a Judge to torment and condemne the reprobate VVVVV But now since he the great Prophet The great light which this Prophet brings from heaven is that all the Devils and all the reprobates shall be saved by his Gospel the Lords annoynted began to Preach the new and the last world is come the world of Jacobs blessing the time of the Spirits Ministery of Christs publick Kingdome wherein the eternall Gospel is preached XXXXX That the summe of this Gospel is the salvation of all without exception even of the Devils and of those who were damned by Christ in the world of Esaus curse YYYYY That saving faith is nothing but the belief of this universall salvation ZZZZZ That whoever beleeves it not shall be damned that is they shall undergoe for some time hels torment though at last with the Devils they be delivered therefrom That by this faith any three or four persons may become so strong sons of God as to save not onely themselves but a world of misbelievers AAAAAA Randals grosse Familisme It were long to enumerate all the abominations that are among many of these who goe under the name of Anabaptists it will be hard to name any of the conceits of their Fathers in Germany which is not here entertained by some one or other I am sure the incomparably worst of the Sects over Sea was that of the Georgians and among us the Familists are their naturall brood what they have learned from Henry Nicholas and he from David George we may see it yet more distinctly in two late Writs The discovery of Familisme The description and confutation of Familisme We reade in the first that a great many who have been counted zealous and gracious are now of that Sect BBBBBB That a great man a Peer of the Land and divers Doctors of Divinity are of that number CCCCCC That M. Randall for some years has preached peaceably at the Spittle to as great a multitude of people as follows any Sectary about the City That the learned Author of the Discovery did hear him preach the following positions who wrote them down with a refutation and before many witnesses sent them to him to be answered No resurrection no heaven no hell after this life To wit first that all the resurrection and glory which Scripture promises is past already and no other comming of Christ to judgement or life eternall is to be expected then what presently in this earth the Saints
the whole Creation shall be annihilated and reduced into the Divine essence again KKKKK Mans mortality p. 49. The resurrection of the beasts all other creatures as well as man shall be raised and delivered from death at the resurrection the death of the beasts was a part of the curse and is to be taken away by Christ LLLLL Vide Disswasive first Part p. 116. also 145. Letter NNNN Also Gangrens second Part p. 117. Dear friends as you have cast off many Antichristian yokes so proceed to cast off all a chief whereof are unequall marriages MMMMM Little Non-such p. 5. God took one of Adams ribs made a woman and brought her to him how comes it then that there are forbidden degrees in marriage or is it not so in truth but a Popish injunction for their profit The woman is of the mans own proper substance then in regard there can be no more matches in this nature the very next of kin were to joyn in marriage and that both by custome and command For example we finde that Sarah was Abrahams Sister whom he took to wife a better president we cannot have Ibid. p. 6. So naturally confident were the servants of God in propagating by the next of kin that Lots daughters did not doubt to raise up seed to their Father Lot might justly be blamed for drinking so liberally that he perceived not what he did yet we finde no reproof upon the daughters because what they did was according to the institution Ibid. p. 7. The next place that seems to fortifie this opinion against all opposition is that of Juda and Tamar his daughter in Law the sincerity and integrity of Tamar was sublime Ibid. The prohibition of degrees in Leviticus is to be understood of fornication not of marriage Tamar did not doubt to be her brother Ammons wife but detested the act of fornication But for the holy institution of marriage with the next of kindred we see it hath not onely been permitted but commanded If mutuall correspondency happen betwixt the nearest of kindred their marriage is most naturall most lawfull and according to the Primitive purity and practice MMMMM 2 Gangren second Part p. 9. Mistresse Attaway among other passages spoke to them of M. Miltons Doctrine of Divorce and asked them what they thought of it saying It was a point to be considered of NNNNN Gangren first Part second Division p. 31. Mistresse Attaway in her exercise delivered that God the Father did raign under the Law God the Son under the Gospel and now God the Father and God the Sonne are making over the Kingdome unto God the holy Ghost OOOOO Ibid. 113. It is given out that Mistresse Attaway met with 〈◊〉 Prophet here in London who hath revealed to her and others that they must goe to Jerusalem and repair Jerusalem and for that end Mistresse Attaway hath gotten money from some persons ten pounds of one young maid and other money of others towards the building up of Jerusalem Gangrens second Part p. 145. There is a Prophet arisen who is shut up for a time but at the end of this Summer is to come forth with power to preach the generall restauration of all things which Prophet hath given a roll forth already into some hands in which roll many things are written and who ever hath that roll hath the spirit of Prophecy he hath appointed some to be publishers and Prophets and to go to Jerusalem to build it up where Abraham Isaac and Jacob shall meet them from heaven and these persons thus sent unto Jerusalem are assured they shall never die with many other of this kinde PPPPP Divine light sent forth by the Minister of the Lord Jesus whom he hath anointed his servant for the good of all in bringing glad tidings of good things unto the whole Creation QQQQQ Ibid. These are the Antichristi-apostat-Arians in chief that deny the holy Covenant of generall redemption by those the spirit discovereth the Antichristi-apostat-Arians Egyptians Sodomites and drunkards of Ephraim the Devils incarnate which are or shall be found to deny the Covenant of generall redemption This Antichristi-apostat-Arianisme is in that Dragon that old Serpent called the Devil and Satan in that he denieth the holy Covenant of generall redemption but this Dragon and grand Devil must be cast out of heaven the Church and all his angels the false Ministers and tyrannous Magistrates must be cast out with him Deniers of the Covenant of generall redemption and all brute beasts and hypocrites have approved themselves devils incarnate RRRRR Divine light p. 15. The private kingdome of Christs Justice must passe away to give place to the publick kingdome of God the Father in his Jehovah mercies unto all the heavens and the earth shall not be destroyed as drowsie drunken Ephramites and blind Egyptians do imagine out of their own evil hearts by misconstruing the Scripture Ibid. p. 2. In that abominable transgression of our first Parents Adam and Evah we their children transgressing in the same line of Rebellion by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that is by seeking in our selves a righteousnesse thinking to be wise and making our selves like to God we became naked foolish blinde and desperately wicked SSSSS Divine light p. 19. He sanctified the humane person of Christ to be a sacrifice Ibid. p. 4. God setting himself in his lost creatures stead namely the whole Creation God the blessed Trinity the three persons in unity in the spirit of the Deity setting themselves in Christs humanity the Father Son and holy Ghost the whole Godhead set it self bodily in Christ to suffer for their transgressing creature Christ in his humane nature feared when the Godhead and Trinity of persons came down in him to suffer TTTTT Divine light p. 2. God was pacified by his own passionate sufferings in that heavenly conflict which the Deity and Trinity of persons had in Christs humanity when our God lovingly set himself to work out our salvation he made his love so to overcome his justice as yet to satisfie his justice meritoriously Ibid. p. 6. God set himself in Christs humanity in the essence of his Deity to work out our salvation setting his love against his justice Ibid. p. 5. Therefore the whole Trinity was forced to assume the whole power of the Godhead to suffer that passionate suffering which was due to the transgressions of the whole Creation this was the passionate work and suffering of the Godhead placed in Christs humanity to perfect redemption for all VVVVV Ib. The elect and reprobate in their severall cases in Esaus world which is the world of the curse Ibid. p. 8. The Father and the Son doe commit their whole strength for the delivering the whole Creation unto the ministration of the holy Ghost and therefore it is that those that have been damned in Esaus world of the curse could not be delivered untill the holy Ghost came in full power in the fulnesse of all
the Brownists But beside all which the Brownists can like of the Anabaptists proceed to a further reformation as they account it they become Antipaedobaptists Hereby they ingage themselves in these practises and Tenets They avow the nullity of our Baptisme first they refuse to Baptize any infant they refuse to admit to the first Sacrament any who gives not a confession of their own faith they esteem paedobaptism a great sin which according to their temper they expresse in harder or softer terms the meekest of them count it a nullity and will-worship A Secondly They presse on us a rebaptization they make it necessary to baptize over again all who in their infancy were baptized and from this they carry the name of rebaptizers It is true they deny with passion all rebaptizing for infant baptism they call a nullity so when they baptize in riper age them who before were baptized in their infancy they esteem this their action to be but the first baptism which they repeat no more B But we who know paedobaptism to be no nullity but a true and valid Sacrament cannot but call their action a second Baptism and repetition of the first So with great reason the name of rebaptizers is given unto them But to put the equity of this reproach out of doubt their great patrons now are come to defend the lawfulnesse of baptism not only twice but if ye will ten times yea so oft as you repent for sin which ought to be oftner then once a day so of Anabap●●●ts they become Hemerobaptists and more C Thirdly they exclude all infants from any interest at all in the Covenant of grace D They exclude all infants from the Covenant of grace and make circumcision a seale only of carnall promises they grant that the Jewish infants had interest in some earthly priviledges which Circumcision did seal unto them but they deny that any children whether of Jews or Gentiles have any promise of grace made to them till they come to age and beleeve so they will not have Circumcision a seal of the Covenant of grace E to any of the children of Abraham while they are infants but only of temporall benefits F By this means they make the infants of faithfull Christians and of the Turks and Pagans all equall G some of both to belong to eternall election but none of either to have any interest in the Covenant of grace till they become actuall beleevers This makes them uncertain what to say of infants dying before conversion some save them all H others incline to the damnation of them all I others professe the uncertainty of the thing whether infants before their conversion be within the kingdom of Satan or that of God K Many of them deny originall sin and assert all the articles of Arminius Fourthly many of them stumble upon originall sin some deny it altogether as if infants were not born with any sinfull corruption L or what ever sin they are born in they will have it taken away by vertue of Christs universall redemption in all mankinde as well Pagans as Christians M making baptism no more needfull in the one nor in the other for the removing or sealing of the removall of that which is removed without the means either of Word or Sacraments by vertue of a generall Covenant made with all mankinde in Adam after the fall From this ground they are drawn away to all the Tenets of Arminius Others of them flie out to the contrary extremity avowing that Adam before the fall in his very creation was corrupted with sin N and by a huge blasphemy make the very humane nature of Christ to be sinfull O and God to be the Creator of sin both in the first and second Adam P They separate from all who renounce not paedobaptisme Fiftly by their rejecting of infant Baptism they fall into the errour of rigid Separation they baptize none but actuall beleevers such as give them satisfaction of their actuall faith and holinesse thus far going along with the rigid Separatists Q But hence they proceed to another ground whereupon they leave the Separatists and 〈◊〉 who follow them not to Anabaptism R they take Baptism f●● a Sacrament of initiation for a door and mean of entring into the Church these who are not baptized they count not Church members infant Baptism they pronounce a nullity and such a disobedience to the Gospel as infers Antichristianism and a reall deniall that Christ is yet come in the flesh S So the Separatists who are all baptized in their infancy and refuse to be rebaptized to them are no better then unbaptized and Antichristian rebels not capable of Church membership or of any Church communion Upon this ground as their great Patron acknowledgeth they are forced to declare the Independent and Brownistick Congregations how dear otherwise soever to be but Antichristian Synagogues and no true Churches T But here self-love does much blind them Yet they admit into their Churches many much worse then these from whom they separate for they who are so precise as to separate with the Brownists from all the reformed Churches because of their impure admissions and from the Brownists also because of their infant Baptism are notwithstanding ready to receive into their Churches those who for life and doctrine are much more impure then many from whom they separate if so be they are willing to renounce their paedobaptism as they call it and to receive of them a new true Baptism V In this they stick not to their own principles nor to the practise of their fathers for so strict were they that a small scandall in life or a little difference in doctrine would have quickly procured a cutting off from the Church by the censure of excommunication but now the world abroad may hear both of adulteries and thefts and the grossest heresies of their members without any ejection from their Churches Sixtly they esteem sprinkling no Baptism at all Sprinkling to them nullifies baptisme they will have the whole body to be plunged over head and ears in the water X this circumstance of plunging they account so necessary and essentiall to Baptism that the change thereof into sprinkling makes the Baptism to be null That such a plunging draws upon some sicknesse and death and upon women great shame and scandall while they are stripped and must stand altogether naked in the presence of men and of the whole Congregation these and other inconveniences they do not much regard Y Seventhly M. Tombs new way of those who impugn paedobaptism some go a new way of their own wherein as yet they have very few followers if any at all for to this day I have heard of ●one M. Tombs a learned and very bold man at this time when so many new ways are in hand hath thought meet to make a hotch-potch of many of them together first He is a rigid Antipaedobaptist yet