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A76081 The Independents catechisme. Or Some observations gathered out of Doctor Bastvvicke his religious and learned treatise entituled Independency not Gods ordinance. For the use of all poor ignorant, wavering, and seduced independents. By John Bernard philopresbytes. Bernard, John.; Bastwick, John, 1593-1654. Independency not Gods ordinance. 1645 (1645) Wing B1064; Thomason E1186_5; ESTC R14251 6,406 31

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THE INDEPENDENTS CATECHISME OR Some Observations gathered out of Doctor BASTVVICKE his Religious and Learned Treatise ENTITVLED INDEPENDENCY NOT GODS ORDINANCE For the use of all poor Ignorant wavering and seduced Independents BY JOHN BERNARD 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 MAT. 22. 19. Ye do erre not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God 1 JOHN 4. 1. Beleeve not every Spirit but try the Spirits whether they are of God because many false Prophets are gone out into the world London Printed by John Macock 1645. TO THE Wavering or Seduced INDEPENDENT READER Deare Brother THe Learned Doctor hath presented a large Treatise to the view of the world which proves the Presbyterian Government DEPENDENT to be Gods Ordinance and not the Presbyterian Government INDEPENDENT by strong Arguments drawn from plain texts of Scripture For three Reasons following I have prevail'd with him that some Observations gathered out of it and digested into this short Catechisme might be published for thy good First because thou maist be perswaded thereby either not to waver or to be perfectly reformed from that dangerous errour Secondly because some have objected The Doctors Treatise is redious though every particular in it be absolutely necessary to vindicate Truth from Error this Epitome may invite thee seriously and speedily to read it thou mayst happily finde much satisfaction to thy unstable minde in it if with the men of Berea Act. 17. 7. Thou search the Scriptures If niceties delight thee I refer thee to the Doctors Treatise which is a garden full of such slowers Thirdly because thy uncharitable Teachers not able to justifie their fond opinion yet have unworthily vilified the Doctors sound judgement calling him Apostate foole that he is crazed in his braine being not misled with their New Lights but hath clearly discovered the mist of Errour wherewith they have blinded thine and others eyes Christian charity binds me to give him deserved applause for his Pious Learned and Charitable worke that thou mayst be reformed thereby is the prayer of him who wisheth thy souls good equally with his own John Bernard The first part of the Independents Catechisme upon these 4. Positions 1. That there were more particular Assemblies and Congregations in the Church of Jerusalem than one 2. That all those severall Congregations made but one Church 3. That all those severall Congregations were under one Presbytery 4. That the Government of the Church of Jerusalem is to be a pattern of Government to all succeeding Ages THE INDEPENDENTS CHATECHISME Quest. WHat Government hath Christ Ordained in the Church of Jerusalem and in the rest of the Primitive Churches to be a patrern unto all Churches for Government Doctrine and manners unto the end of the World Answ A Presbyterian Government that is by a Common-Councell of Presbyters as in the Originall or more plainely of a Religious grave solid learned and wise Councell of divines and ministers as was in the Assembly Act. 1. 15. unto whom Christ had given the power of the keyes Mat. 18. 16. 17. 18. That this was the Government established in the Church plainely appeares by these texts of Scripture Act. 14. 23. Act. 20. 17. 28. Tit. 1. 5. 1 Tim. 5. 17. Heb. 13. 7. 24. 1 Pet. 5. 1. 2. 3. Jam. 5. 14. Act. 15. 6. 22. Act. 16. 4. Act. 21. 17. The objections made by the Independent Brethren concerning the qualification of the Presbyters are punctually confuted in the Drs Treatise page 19. to the 29. Shewing that there is no expectation of miracles in our times though the Apostles and Primitive Presbyters were extraordinarily gifted for the confirmation of the truth of the Gospell to all succeeding ages Christ himselfe proclaimes those blessed that believe without seeing of miracles Iohn 20 29. This qualification in the Apostles and primitive Presbyters is continued unto the end of the World in the Presbyters and Ministers of the Gospell Viz. the power of order and preachings and the power of Jurisdiction or rulings Because what soever is written is for our instruction Quest. Were there many congregations and Assemblies in the mother Church of Ierusalem which in our dialect are called Churches or did the multitudes of beleevers in Ierusalem make but one congregation as the Independents suppose Answ These plaine texts of Scripture following do clearely prove that the many ten thousands of believers converted by Iohn Baptist by Christ his Apostles the 70. disciples and the rest of the primitive Presbyters could never meet together in one 10. or scarcely in 100. congregations to partake of all acts of worship to aedification as ●ppeares by the multitude of beleevers mentioned in Mat. 3. 1. 2. 5. 6. Mat. 7. 12. Luke 16. 16. Luke 7. 29. Iohn 7. 31. 40. 46. 47. 48. 49. 50. Acts 2. from the 37. to the end of the chapter Acts 4. 4. Act. 5. 14. Act. 6. 1. 2. 3. 7. Act. 21. 20. to suppose these multitudes could meet in one congregation to be edifyed is not agreeable to sense or reason Because there were above one hundred preachers and ministers besides the Apostles and all these continually taken up in praying preaching unto those many ten thousands of believers distributed into severall congregations that possibly they might edifie their preachers being all so employed they could not leave their ministry to serve tables Acts 6. 2. Therefore of necessity so many ministers must have severall places to preach in and those multitudes of believers be distributed into several congregations for them to preach to and severall places to baptize in other-wise there would have beene great confusion For but one of them could speake at once to aedification These plaine testimonyes of Scripture above cited may convince the Independents error Because they clearely take away the Foundation of their New-Churches which are built upon this mistake that there were no more believers in the Church of Ierusalem then could meet in one congregation Four we●ke objections to that purpose are punctually confuted by the Dr. from page 42. unto the 53. page Quest. Were not all those hundred preachers and the many ten thousands of believers so scattered abroad in the persecution we read of Act. 8. 1. 2. 3. That there was left no more believers in Ierusalem then could meet in one congregation Answ By that place is meant all the preachers and ministers onely except the Apostles as it appeares Acts 8. 4. they that were scattered abroad went to and fro preaching the Word As for the people they were many of them cast into prison and it is most probable that the rest were in their owne houses there is not any mention made of their being scattered abroad if they had they had no Call to preach now the text saith they did preach that were scattered abroad But by their abiding in Ierusalem the Apostles had both entertainment and safety without them they could not have secur'd themselves from the wolves And the Apostles care was such of feeding the sheepe of Christ that