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A75414 An Answer to a scandalous paper, wherein were some queries given to be answered. And likewise, therein is found many lies and slanders, and false accusations against those people whom he (and the world) calls Quakers. Dated from Dorchester in New-England, August 17. 1655. subscribed, Edward Breck, which was directed to a people at Rainforth in Lancashire, which he calls, A church of Christ. The truth is cleared of his scandalls, lies, and slanders, and he found to bee a reproacher of the Church of Christ. His paper and quæries answered by those people called, Quakers. 1656 (1656) Wing A3345A; Thomason E875_4; ESTC R206566 30,171 38

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then for evill doing for Jesus Christ hath suffered the just for the unjust that he might bring us unto God And for this Faith do we contend which was once delivered to the Saints and are willing to lay down our lives and to seal the testimony of our Consciences with our blood and this our faith is not to beleeve lies as thou doth which is manifested in thy Paper sufficiently and this is that faith which overcomes and gives victory over the world and beleeves in the Truth as it is in Jesus And thou begins and reckons from the Maryan-times the Generations of men famous as thou saith who stood for Faith and Holiness and the profession of true Religion I answer Thou may see what thy profession of true Religion ends in who art now in thy old age beleeving lyes and false accusations which thou hast no true ground for and are accusing and slandering the pure innocent Truth of God which is clear in the sight of God of these slanders which thou hast cast upon it for which the Just God will plead with thee when thy talking of a Faith will not serve thee nor thy profession of a true Religion when thou art persecuting and detaining the pure Religion and undefiled before God and the Father this is to visit the Father less and the Widow in their affliction and to keep himself unspotted of the world But thou art found in the desilement and casting thy filth of lyes and slanders upon Religion and therefore art thou found in the world one of them Therefore now repent of the evill of thy doings while thou hast time and turn thy minde to that measure of God in thee which tells thee thou should not lye nor slander nor accuse falsly there is something in thee that tells thee these things ought not to be there is that of God in thy conscience which tells thee thou ought not to beleeve lyes nor to take reports from the mouths of slanderers and to cast them upon the innocent who was ever reproached and slandered by the world and so in this thou art become one with the persecutors that ever persecuted the appearance of God where ever it was made manifest So let that of God in thy conscience now examine and search what thou art doing who art slandering those whom thou knows not nor hath nothing to lay to their charge but what thou hath by hear-say and consider whether this be as thou would be done by But in this thou hast manifested thy ignorance of God and of his pure Truth which leads to do unto all men as they would have men to do unto them and here thou art found out of the Truth and out of the Life that gave forth the Scriptures who takes the Scriptures but for a cloak to cover thy nakedness withall but art ignorant of that spirit that spoke them forth as thou makes it manifest in thy next words where thou saith Those men gave not their mindes with Balaam to look out for visions to curse Gods people Here thou hast manifested thy ignorance of the Scriptures for when Balaam looked out at the temptation of Baalack he would have cursed them but he did not look then to the vision of God which said he should not curse them And so all who wil but read that Scripture may see thy confusion and ignorance for in that Vision and Prophesie Balaam did see and know the people of God and could not curse them while he kept to it untill he did hearken and look out at the temptation of Balaack And so here read thy ignorance in Scripture Besides in this thou speaks against all the Holy-Men of God as Moses Samuel Nathan Daniel Isaiah Paul Peter Iohn c. and all that ever was taught by the immediate Spirit of the living God was taught by Vision and Revelation and this thou exhorts those whom thou calls the Church of Christ from Therefore let all that reads thy words mark thy Blasphemy and ignorance of God and of his eternall living Truth as it is in Jesus the only begotten Son which now the Father is revealing in this his day and the Son likewise is revealing the Father Glory and Praises be to the living powerfull God for ever And thou speaks of railing against Magistrates and Ministers which is a false accusation for railing we do deny but we speak the Truth in Christ and lye not our consciences also bearing us witness in the sight of God And the Ministers of Christ we own who are Ministers of the Spirit and not of the Letter for the Letter killeth but the Spirit maketh alive and those who have the Ministration of the Spirit which quickens we own and have unity with them who is made not by the will of man nor the will of the flesh but by the wil of God according to the Promise of life which is in Christ Iesus who have not received their Gospel by man but by the Revelation of Iesus this Ministry we own and this Ministry we witness But that Ministry which is received from man who teacheth for Doctrine the Precepts and Commandments of men which are found in the steps of the Scribes and Pharisees which Christ cryed wo against who sit in Moses seat who are sayers but not doers who bindes heavy burthens grievous to be born but will not themselves move them with one of their fingers but all their works they do to be seen of men love the uppermost rooms at Feasts the chief seats in the Synagogues are called of men Master who devour widows houses and for a pretence make long Prayers who are blinde guides such as Christ Jesus cryed wo against who is our Lord and Master and Shepherd of our souls but who are found acting in those things which he cryed wo against we do deny and turn from them for Christ Jesus hath left us a Rule to know them by their fruits which makes them manifest to be the ravening wolves inwardly which Christ Jesus speaks of who have the Sheeps clothing the Saints words and profession but their ravening wolvish nature appears by their persecution and tyranny which they exercise in this Nation of England as most Goals in this Nation can witness who have many of the innocent harmless people of God shut up in Dungeons and Holes for no other cause but for bearing witness for the living God against the deceit by which they keep poor people in blindness and ignorance of God who are the same as ever the Lord sent his true Prophets to cry against who bear rule by their means and commit the horrible and filthy thing which the Lord sent Ieremiah to cry against And who seek for their Gain from their quarter and preacheth for Hire which the Lord sent Isaiah to cry against who feed with the sat and clothe with the wool which the Lord sent Ezekiel to cry against And such as make the people to erre that bite with their teeth
do wrong nor to accuse falsly this will shew thee the deceit of thy heart and let thee fee thy vain thoughts that lodgeth within thee and the darkness of thy minde which thou hast made manifest by thy words who faith They depend not upon the Scriptures for a Light Here let the Scriptures try thee and judge thee who saith the Scriptures is the Light when the Scriptures saith Christ is the Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world and every one that loveth this Light walketh in this Light and bringeth his deeds to this Light to be proved and tryed by the Light and he that doth evill hates the Light and turns from the Light least his deeds should be reproved And here let the Scripture judge and try thee whether thou doth not deny Christ Jesus who saith I am the Light of the world whenas thou saith the Scripture is the Light here thou denies him who is a Light to lighten the Gentiles and the glory of his people Israel Now let all see what thou hast to see or to judge with who denies the light of the body which is the eye for when the eye is single the whole body is full of Light but when the eye is evill the whole body is full of darkness And here thou art found now who art looking at the Letter without thee but thy body is full of darkness confusion and enmity against the Truth of God as thou hath manifested in this thy Paper And Christ Jesus said unto his Disciples Ye are the light of the world a city that is set on a hill cannot be bid Let your Light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorifie your Father which is in heaven But thy works and thy Light is made manifest by thy envy that thou hast uttered forth against the harmless which thou knows nothing by But thou that hath no other Light to judge with but the Scriptures without thee which was spoken forth from another spirit then thou speaketh from now thou that taketh these words and speaketh them forth from a lying spirit which was spoken forth from the Light and Life and Power of God from the just and the living Truth was the Scriptures spoken forth from But thou who hath no Light to walk or speak by but what thy dark spirit gathers out of the words without thee were not like to speak truth for they that spoke forth the Scriptures the Truth was made manifest in them they did not speak from another or by hear-say as thou doth thy spoke what they knew and what they witnessed and bare testimony to the Truth and all who cometh into the same Truth beareth witness unto them and knoweth the same Truth as they did But this thou art ignorant of who hath nothing but the Husk and the outside the Kernal and the Substance thou knoweth nothing of but blessed be the Lord God for evermore the same Life and Power as they spoke from is witnessed and they that spoke forth the Scriptures are witnessed to be true by the same life and all such as thou who hath nothing but the Declaration of that life are seen and known and weighed and all your profession which is without the life and profession denyed and here is the Lambs war betwixt you and us you have the words and Declaration which the life sple we have the Life and Substance which spoke these words and so you have the outside who are born after the flesh persecutes us who are born after the spirit And so now read where thou and you all are who are found in this persecuting nature for I am sure if you will be tryed by the Scriptures you cannot finde that ever any of the Saints of God persecuted any but were ever persecuted and ever suffered persecution by those who had a profession as Christ Jesus was crucified by the chief Priests and the Elders Scribes and Pharisees who were the strictest professors of the Scriptures which spoke of him and prophecied of him which that age and that Generation had besides all the Saints Servants Prophets and Apostles that ever suffered did suffer by a people professing Religion So let the Scriptures be judg between you and us and if you will come to be tryed by the Scriptures you will be found of the same generation of Persecutors as ever was before you And whereas thou saith VVe depend not upon the Scriptures for Light hut from what we receive from a Spirit which casteth us into a Trance and what this Spirit is thou confesseth thou knows not and yet thou lakes upon thee to judge of this Spirit though thou confesseth thou art weak c. but thou saith thou tells what thou thinks Now here thou hast uttered forth thy weakness and thy nakedness appears in these words and thy bitter spirit in slandering that which thou knows not for that which tries the Spirits is Truth and Eternall and Infallible and speaks that is knows and beleeves not every spirit but tries the Spirits whether they be of God And from this Spirit thou hart shut thy self and by this Spirit do we try thy Spirit to be a Spirit of Error and Delusion a Spirit of Darkness which hath no light in it but thy Light is without thee that thou judgeth by and thou judgeth by thinking and this is for judgement Christ Jesus said Take heed that the Light which is in thee be not darkness he doth not say take heed that the Letter without thee be not darkness and he saith again If thy Light be darkness how great is that darkness and so here thou art in the darkness and yet judgeth of the Light but thy spirit is a fallibe Spirit and so cannot give true judgement upon that which is infallible and eternall But that Spirit which is infallible and eternall gives true judgement on thee and knows thee and tries thee and thy Light which is thee Letter without thee which is none of thine but anothers and with the same spirit as spoke forth the Scriptures thou art judged and thy spirit to be a fallible lying spirit and the same good spirit of God as spoke in the Holy Prophets Christ and his Apostles which is not divided but is one and the same for evermore the same spirit do we witness not another but the same as was before ever the Scripture was written and by this Spirit which was before Scripture was written do we judge thee and thy Light which thou hath from the Declaration Here thou confesseth that if thou had had no Scripture thou had had no Light but God is Light and all who knows him knows him in the Light and all who sees him sees him in the Light for the immortallity dwols in the Light but this thou knows nothing of and we do accord with and own and witness and have unitywith the same Spirit with all that spoke forth the Scriptures the Prophets Christ and his
never found guilty of But it was alwayes the portion of the Elect of God to receive from by generation such slanders and accusations as thou hast here vented in thy Paper which hath made thee manifest to be none of Gods Elect nor none of that Faith neither can they abide in that which they never came in So thou dost but utter forth thy folly in thy Exhortation And thou goes on in thy confusion and vanity and thou askest three questions and thou answerest two of them thy self according to thy folly emptiness and shallowness and in the third thou hast set thy self fast and knows not how to get out and so thou leaves us to answer it and so it is like we shall answer a fool according to his folly First Thou askest by whom do we hope to besaved We deny the ground of thy Answer and we answer from another ground and principle which thou art ignorant of and art an enemie to We hope to be saved by CHRIST JESUS who is the Light of the world and hath lighted every man but cometh into the world and this Light is thy condemnation who saith the Leeter is the Light and so the same CHRIST JESUS which dyed at Jerusalem which witnessed a good Confestion before Pontius Pilate who is the way to the Father the Light hath leads to life this is our Saviour and the same that saves us condemns thee who loveth darkness rather then Light because thy deeds are evill Secondly Thou askest how we came to know there was ever such a man in the world And this thou answers according to thy publike faith from a Testimony without thee but we deny thy Answer and our answer is That we know that the Son of God is come who hath given us an understanding and we know him that is true And hereby we know that we dwell in him and he in us because he hath given us of his Spivit and we have seen and do testifie that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world And we know that we are of God and the whole world lyes in wickedness and we are in him that is true even in his Son Iesus Christ this is the true God and eternall life He that hath an car let him hear but thy car which should hear is deaf Thirdly thou saith If Christ be the Saviour and that the light and knowledge of him doth spring from Holy Scripture thou asketh whether the Scriptures be any Rule of Faith and Life in these dayes or are they ahorgated and put an end to by Christ And hath he appointed another way for bringing his Elect to eternall salvation This quaery thou saith thou must leave to your selves to answer only sayest thou for my part I know no other way to come to Christ my Saviour then the Holy Scriptures which he hath commanded me to search and in which he promiseth life eternall and wherein he curseth all men that addeth to or detracteth from them what you have to say to these things I know not but this I know that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Iesus execrable and what do they else that-vilifie and slight his word and Ordinances and depends upon a Spirit which crosseth and contradicteth Christ and his word and Ordinances Answer In this quaery thou hast given a Testimony of thy Light and of thy Spirit and of thy Way and of thy Faith and of thy God for thou hast taken Christ Jesus among the rest and hath belyed him in plain words now in the latter end of thy Paper And thou art so blind led with the God of the world which hath so blinded thy eye sure thou thinks all looks with that blind eye as thou doth Thou confesseth that thou hast none other Light but the Scriptures and yet thou art run away from it and art now adding to it and thou saith thy self he curseth all men that addeth to it therefore own thy portion now when thou seeth thy self there for thou art now so blinde thou sees not where thou art but when thou cometh to a search thou wilt finde thy self there Where is it that Christ promiseth thee eternall life in searching the Scriptures Doth not Christ say in the verse before Ye have not his word abiding in you for whom he hath sent him ye believe not Thou hast made it manifest what life thou hast but it is no wonder seeing thou hast no other Light nor no other Way to come to Salvation nor no other life but what thou hast out of Scriptures Thou art dead in sin but it is no wonder Oh that thou dare so belye Christ Jesus Doth not that Scripture say on which thou builds these words Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternall life and they are they which testifie of me but ye will not come unto me that ye may have life Doth he say here that life is in the Scriptures or doth he say that he is the Scriptures when he saith ye will not come to me that ye may have life And art not thou here found thinking to have eternall life in the Scriptures and wilt not come to Christ that thou may have life and this he spoke to the Scribes and Pharisees who were in the same life that thou art in to whom he said they had neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape but this is all the life that thou knows And thou speaks of god walking in the midst of the seven Golden Candlesticks but he doth not walk in the midst of the midst of thy Candlesticks who hath no Light but the Scriptures and before thou see the seven Golden Candlesticks and he that walks in the midst of them thou must be turned from where thou art if thou hast an ear thou may hear what the Spirit saith And thou saith this is thy light and thy way to salvation and thou confesseth thou knows none other Answer This hath all drunkards and all prophane persons that hath the Scriptures hath that which thou hath and if it brings salvation to thee then it brings salvation to them and so see what a publike faith thou art of Now see whether thou be not in the broad way that leadeth to destruction and now this is thy Testimony and this is thy Light that we are speaking of all this while and this is thy way but this way we do deny for thou and all who are where thou art are gone out of the way and there is none of you that doth good no not one And Christ Jesus who was before Abraham and before the Scripture was written is our Light and our Way and our Rule and our Truth and our Life and this is life eternall to know the onely true God and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent and this life is in his Son and he that beleeveth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself and he that beleeveth not God