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A89824 An answer to a book called The Quakers catechism, put out by Richard Baxter. Wherein the slanderer is searched, his questions answered, and his deceit discovered, whereby the simple have been deceived: and the popery proved in his own bosom, which he would cast upon the Quakers. Published for the sake of all who desire to come out of Babylon, to the foundation of the true prophets and apostles, where Christ Iesus is the light and corner stone; where God is building a habitation of righteousness and everlasting peace; where the children of light do rest. Also some quæries for the discovering the false grounds of the literal preist-hood of these days, in the last times of antichrist. If you know the truth, the truth shall make you free. / Iames Nailor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1655 (1655) Wing N258; Thomason E851_1; ESTC R207416 51,999 51

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hirelings be not false Prophets yea or nay and are not such to be cryed out against now as they was then and this being thy own condition thou art so wise as to let it alone without an answer if thou had done so with all the rest thou had kep● thy self longer covered thou bids us read Malachi so we have and in the second Chapter first and last and the rest of the Chapter we find thy generation and thy practise and your end comming on apace 22. qu. Whether do you own trembling and quaking which the Scriptures witness and this thou looks upon to be a curse or a papist trick or mot●on of the deceiver c. showing thy selfe to be one of those spoken of Is● 66. 5. there thou may see thy work and ours thou Blasphemer dost thou call that a Papist trick and the power of the devil that all the Holie men of God that ever did declare the way how they came to see God came through as the Scriptures can witness in Moses David Daniel the Prophets and Apostles but sayes thou perfect love casts out fear what now art thou talking of perfection is it not blasphemy to name such a word art thou now come to perfection thou art wel grown since thou begun thy book wherein thou was pleading against any possibility of perfection but in heaven art thou got so high now take heed thou deny it no more least thou shame thy selfe but it s not a lye that wil make thee blush thou hast cast out that fear but its selfe love that hath cast it out for the love of God casts Psal 2. 11. not out the fear of God blessed he is that feareth alwaies but thou art Psal 72. 5. cursed who hast cast it out Last Quaery Whether do you say you shall be free from the body Pro. 28. 14 of sin while you are on the earth and whether shal any be perfect yea or nay and to this thou sayes thou believes that in the instant of death when you part with the flesh you part with all the remnants of sin I say thou hast made thy confession according to thy faith and covenant I told thee on before that is you must part with your sin when you are dead and can sin no more if you would and the devil too but that this Covenant of hel and death should be for any less than tearm of life that 's again●t your faith which you have preached and live in and against your Covenant too yet if we do but say that you are ministers of the devil and such as uphold his Kingdome of sin while people live and the world tands you cannot beare it though we do but declare thy own con●ession And ●or sinless perfection thou sayes thou believes the devil bred it and thou sayes Christ detests it and never man that had true grace bel●eved it I say or thy saith that believes the devil bred perfection I know thou art of that faith that ever called Christ Be●zebub and his works the Devil works so in that fa●th I do not expect any other confession but thy lye thou layes upon Christ and the Saints saying Christs detests it and the Saints believed it not I shall reprove and disprove by plain Scriptures Mat. 5. 48. be ye perfect even as your fath●r which is in Heaven is perfect Did he command here what he detested or was this a sinfull perfection he called for wouldst thou make him a lyar and a dissembler like thee and for the Saints owning perfection read Eqh. 4 12 13. Cal. 1. 28. Phil. 3. 15. 1 Thess 3. 10. 5. 2. Psal 18. 32. Psal 101. 2. H●b 10. 14. 1 Cor. 2. 6. Iam. 1. 4. 2 Cor. 7. 1. with many more places too many to set down here which all declare their beliefe in perfection and thee a false witness preaching such a faith as never any of Gods ministers ever did nay thou exceeds all the hirelings and false Prophets that ever was never any of them durst say it was of the Devill before thee and thou says its the Papists dongue we feed upon O thou blasphemer dare thou ●peak thus of the perfection of God which he gives to all that wait upon him and hunger after his righteousness thou makes it appear thou never knew the good and perfect gift that comes from Iude 11. above thou runs too greedily after gifts and rewards from below thou hast blinded that eye that should see perfection and sayes thou the fathers Kingdome before had perfect subjects and so shall it have again when Christ hath perfected us thou blinde guide had the first man Adam power to defile in this world and hath not the second Adam power to cleanse to the uttermost in this world what is defiled all that come to him thou showest thy selfe plainly whose power thou art under none under the power of the Devil could ever witness the power of Christ stop thy mouth thou false witness we know the power of Christ and the vertue of his resurrection and that he is greater in us than he that is in the world that he is more able to save than the other to destroy to cleanse than the other to defile but while we believed with thee we knew no more of it than thou dost but with that faith which overcomes the world and the devil and purifies the heart do we deny thee and thy faith which lyes under sin and the devill and in league with him for tearm of life and would have all so too and thou dost what thou can to withstand that ever the Father should have such subjects again as he had before the fall never while the world stands The last enemie sayes thou is death which shall then be overcome at the last resurrection a large time art thou taking for sin and death to reigne till all men be dead thou art faithfull for thy God and art making a league for him with all that believe thee even for them and their children after them til there be not a man left to sin any more yet must not we say thou art in the Devils work but we must call thee a Minister of righteousness though thou never read of such a faith and Ministry in all the Scripture but thou hast in this thing plainly declared thou knows not the resurrection nor fellowship of it art who yet in death and pleading for it to compleat thy covenant of sin least any should deny it or break it or sup●●t thee to be pleading for satan thou concludes thy work with that old refuge of the devill that is to take the Letter which was written to keep out of sin and to wrest it to encourage to sin and thou runs to that one place which all thy Fathers children u●e to plead 1 Iohn 1. If we say we have no sin we deceive our selves and the Truth is not in us there fore sayes thou the truth is not
in his stead so art thou drawing downward as fast as thou canst but sayes thou the whole man in Scripture is taken for ●an the cause of life dye or be defiled the soul so by thy opinion the man is the cause of life so thou hast shewed what life thou lives and what thou knows of the soul yet thou wilt ask more queries though resolve none and first thou begins to wrangle with the command of Christ that forbids thy master-hood saying is not many words in the Scriptures translated master of as low and humble importance as ruler I say the words of Christ was ever in the way of the Hirelings and Pharisees and Priests and their pride but they could not get them removed though they was vext at them and would not have them applyed to them no more than thou but let his words alone thou must not wrest them out of their place and power thou canst not bow them but must bow to them they was given to break thee and thy pride and not to be broken by thee nor thy teachings 2 qu. Thou sayes if God bid people obey you as Rulers and the quakers perswade people to reject you as Serpents c. which is to be obeyed God or the quakers and whether is the Spirit of God or of the Devil the quakers speaks by I say God did never bid people obey Hirelings and such as are out of the Doctrine of Christ as you a●e but the Spirit of God called such Serpents and so doth now which is not the Spirit of the Devil as the Devil would slander it to be both Mat. 23. 33. then and now you being now found in the same practise are reproved with the same spirit 3. qu. Thou asks Is it the Ministers or quakers that have the rule over people and wait for the good of souls I say the quakers abhors such rule as you bear and for the good of souls thou must first know what the soul is before thou can watch for the good of it nay thou watches to destroy souls for dishonest gain hirelings was never souls shepheards 4. qu. Thou sayes if the present Pastors be not true Ministers tell you who are and where you may find them and where they have been from Christ til now I say those are true ministers and ever was who wandred to and fro having no certain dwelling place of whom the world was not worthy who ever bore witness against the false Prophets that bear rule by their means and the Priests that preached for hire and the people that loved to have it so and whose manner was to go into the Synagogues and Idols temples to disprove the hirelings false worship and call people from them to the true shepheard and you may find many of these in the most prisons of the nation for so doing by your means against whom we are sent to witness and these have been banished to and fro since the mystery of iniquity and the popish priesthood was set up into corners but now are come to light to witness against the mystery of iniquity therefore do the heathen rage the man of sin and all his ministers because his end is near 5. qu. Thou asks if it will be for the peoples profit to despise their Teachers and guides I say you who have despised Christs commands to set up your own lusts and pride covetousness and false-worship must be despised and when such guides are discovered then shal the people profit when they come to be guided with that spirit God hath given to every man to profit withall which thou wil keep them from as long as you can that you may fil up your measure and wrath come upon you to the uttermost being captivated by the Devil soul and body the God of this world having blinded the eye so that the Gospell 2 Cor. 4. is hid from you and you lost letting up the Letter instead of it having denyed the light and erred from it are got up into hardness of heart imprisoning beating and making havock like mad beasts what ever the Devill did where he reigned so do you being the head of the Serpent which Christ is come to bruise as he did in his own person so he is the same for ever to the same brood who now are found in the same bloody plots against the seed of God worse than ever any seeking the lives of others for practising that in life which your selves wil preach in words for money ●uch a generation of raging beasts was never yet in the world who seek to devour on every side you and who departs from sin is your prey the greatest deceivers thatever yet come now when you come to be revealed who would have bel●eved that you who have had so many millions of pounds for teaching people to forsake sin and now if any declare that he hath forsaken it and is set free you preach it down as the most dangerous error that ever was and cry out to drunckards swearers thieves and murderers and whoremongers come not near them least you be deceived and now get up more money for preaching up sin while the world stands than you took for preaching it down yet if we tel you you are bringing people into Covenant with the Devil for tear● of life you say we rail on you when you have be got the faith of that Covenant in the whole nation ask any that ever believes your teaching if they believe that Christ i● able to redeem them from committing sin in this world and presently they are ready to give an account of their faith nay none can be free he●e but when they are dead in another world they shall ●o the faith and covenant is sutable for no less time then till men can sin no longer and if any have broke this Covenant through the righteous Covenant they are ready to stone him yet least thou should be seen in this filth you cast a mist before the simple saying you must strive after perfection and freedom and purity and to be set free from sin but once knowing that unbeliefe is in the bottome there is little danger of freedome for the Devil whose work you are doing knows fulwel that if he can but have people to believe they cannot be free he knows they are safe with him for ever comming at it no faith no obtaining according to every mans faith so shall it be unto them and that striving which is not in faith to obtain is selfe-righteousness but Heb. 7 25. who believes that Christ is able to save to the uttermost all that come to God by him shall see it so but this the blind knows not who would have believed that these Priess that now is had been the greatest persecutors that ever was before them who have preached so long against it but say you this persecution of ours is not as theirs was they persecuted Christ and such as he sent but these are wandrers
that thinks that the Light which is in all the Indians Americans and other Pagans on earth is sufficient without Scripture Ans I say that Light which the Gentiles had which brought them to do the things contained in the Law showing the work of the Law Rom. 2. written intheir hearts was sufficient without the circumcision of the Letter which the Jews stood so much on yet brought not forth the same fruits which God accepted though they could call them Heathens and Gentiles as thou dost the Indians and Pagans but it the Indeans and Pagans own that Law written in their heart and come to receive power to bring forth the fruits of it which thou dost not I shall say of you both as Paul did of the Jews Rom. 2. 12 13 c. not the hearers of the Law are just before God but the doers of the Law shall be justified but art not thou a Pagan if not worse who would conclude all in condemnation but who comes to hear you hirelings and your expositions of the Scriptures nay thou art a blasphemer above all thou readest on in the scripture who would make the light of Christ wherewith he hath enlightned every one that comes into the world to be insufficient without scripture and so condemn all the Saints and their sufficiency before the Letter was and so Ioh 1 destroy Abrahams faith and sufficiency which had no Letter to add to it but this is all thou knows of it or its foundation who denies its sufficiency qu. 15. Was that Light in Paul which perswaded him that he ought to do many things against the name of Jesus sufficient to convert him to the faith of Jesus or did Christ give him needlesly a light from heaven and by Ananias his Doctrine or had Cornelius sufficient Light within him before Peter preached unto him or had all the world sufficient Light within them before Christ sent abroad his Apostles to preach the Gospel unto them or did Christ send them a needless light by his Apostles have those persecutors sufficient light within them to cause them to believe in Christ who think they do God service in killing or reproaching his ministers and people Ans I say Christ hath enlightned every one that comes into the World which Ball and thou and many of thy generation being exceedingly mad with envy and rage running in your own wills and acting against it your light is become Darkness and so great is that darkness that you are reproaching persecuting and killing the people of God now as he was then and think you do God service yet is the Light in Darkness though Darkness comprehends it not Io●n 1. 5. and therefore Peter was sent to Cornelius Ananias to Paul and the Apostles to the world not to give them eyes but to open the blinde eyes and to turn them from Darkness to the Light as is plain Christ and the Apostles came into the world for that purpose though Christ was the light before the world was yet came into the world to open the eyes Isa 46 6 7. and sent his Apostles to that end at is plaine Act. 26. i7 i8 and to the Light that shun in Darkness was they to turn 2 Pet. 1. 19. them and this was the way by which they knew God to which they confessed as is plain in the Stripture til which time the Gospel was hid and the CREATURE lost by reason of that DARKNESS wherewith the Prince of this World had their hearts blinded 2 Cor. 4. 3. to the 8. ver and this Light did not perswade Paul to be a persecuter nor thee neither but the Prince of Darkness which hath thee blinded wherein thou appears to be one of those builders who refuses the Corner Stone and denies Gods covenant which Isa 42. 6. was a covenant of Light and not of the Letter and the Law written in the heart and not in the Tables which the carnall eye sees not nor Mat. 24. 23. 26 thy wilfull minde regards not who art crying lo here lo there without thee but saith Christ go not forth the word is nigh thee in thy Rom. 10. 8. heart and that word of faith the Apostles preached which was in peoples hearts but such was not Ministers of the Letter but of the Spirit nor did ever say the Letter was the Word as thou dost but if the Letter be not the Word it seems thou hath none of the Word but art one of those who saith hear the word of the Lord when the Ier. 23. Lord never spoke to thee but hath stoln it from thy neighbor which is none of the word of the Lord to thee so thou perverts it taking the Scriptures to plead for sin which was written against sin which they that had the word of the Lord never did and that Light which thou deniest to us is become the head of the corner and we witness it sufficient without any other addittion but thy testimony of it is the testimony of an unbeliever contrary to what Christ commandeth thereby to be become the children of light there is the covenant and the promise of it Iohn 12. 36. Iohn 8. 12. and out of the Light there 's no promise and all that thou hast here proved is but thy self a child of Darkness and no otherwayes to be believed so brings forth thy deeds of Darkness speaking evil of that thou knowest not and none can own Ananias Doctrine Act. 9. 10. 11. who denies immediate callings qu. 16. If all have sufficient Light within them what need you go up and down to perswade them is it needless Light that you bring them or is it hellish darkness Ans We are sent to declare that Light which is sufficient which we witness within us and to draw people from that hellish darkness into which the blinde guides have led them and from all the dark worshipps set up in the imaginations unto the light of life which is only sufficient which bears witness in them against all the Deeds of Darknes showing what is to be reproved and what is wrought in God Eph. 5. 13. Iohn 3. 21. so to turn people Iohn 16. 13. to that Light and Spirit of Truth which leads into all Truth is the end of our Teaching and the enemy of hellish Darkness and that Spirit is in them and they shall know it who turn to it qu. 17. Is it not a most sottish trick of you to go up and down prating and commanding and yet refuse to shew your commission from God and to call Ministers to shew theirs and refuse to shew your own but say it is invisible within you are you so mad to expect that any should believe an invisible and indemonstrable COMMISSION and might not we as wel we tel you ours is invisible but that indeed it is not or should we believe every one that prates of a commission within him or no if not why should we believe you