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A91468 Goliahs head cut off with his own sword; in a combat betwixt little David, the young stripling, who stands in the power and strength of his God, and great Goliah the proud boaster, who stands in his own strength, glorifying in the arm of flesh, and contemning and despising little David, because of his youth. In a reply to a book, set forth by an un-named author, under pretence of an answer to thirty six queries, propounded by James Parnell, whom he in scorn calls, the young Quaker. And also an answer to severall counter-queries, propounded by the same unnamed authour, whom I understand to be one Thomas Draton, a teacher of the world, at Abbey Rippon, in Huntingtonshire, ... and also he that takes his part, who writes himself W.P. who knowes not the power of God, and therefore glories in the length of time, and the multitude of years. ... / Given forth from the spirit of the Lord in the behalf of Israel against the armies of the aliens, who muster up themselves against the Lord, and his authority: by a friend to the common-wealth of Israel, who is known to the world, by the name James Parnel. Who is a sufferer in outward bonds, for the testimony of the everlasting truth, in Colchester Castle. 1655. Parnell, James, 1637?-1656. 1655 (1655) Wing P531; Thomason E861_1; ESTC R203310 65,568 94

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that Christ doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world P. Ans because the Apostle affirmes it Joh. 1.9 And secondly thou confessest that they which have attained to the true knowledge of this light need not that any man should teach them for they are sufficiently taught of God thou say'st Jer. 31.34 But thou say'st thou deniest that we are so taught or in such a measure but thou say'st till that full light shine in you you may have other helps and teachers which to prove thou quotest 2 Pet. 1.19.20 c. But thou deceiver thou run and the Lord never sent thee who hath beene a teacher of the people and a professor of the light so many yeares and hast not yet brought any of thy hearers to the knowledge of the light yea thou numberest thy selfe amongst them whom this full light doth not yet shine but stands in need of other helps and teachers then thou hypocrite and dissembler how shouldst thou teach thy hearers the full knowledge of the light as thou say'st they will witnesse for thee when as thou thy selfe stands in need to be taught it by thy own confession Therefore it may well be resolved that thou knowest not that Christ hath enlightened every one that cometh into the world neither wouldest confesse it but that the Apostle affirmes it in that Scripture which thou quotest in John 1.9 yea that Scripture which thou quotestin Jer. 31.34 doth witnesse against thee and thy hearers to be yet strangers to the promises therefore thou hypocrite how hast thou belyed thy own conscience in saying that thou would'st bring them to the knowledge of the light that they should not need thee or any man to teach them when as that is it thou openly strivest against for then thy Dianah would bring thee in no gaine which is thy greatest care to uphold and this is witnessed in thy conscience for a truth against thee yea and this Scripture which thou quotest in 2 Pet. 1.19 20. will witnesse against thee to be a lier of the Apostle for that speakes of the world within which shines as a light in a dark place which thou art not yet come to know and therefore thou denies the truth but I tell thee we are in that measure of light so that we are able to comprehend thee and shew thee thy confusion and deceipt therefore silence from bringing the Prophets or Apostles for thy proofe for they testify against such as thee who pretendest to teach others and to be a guide to the blind a light of them which are in darknesse and an instructer of the foolish Rom. 2.19.20 and art not yet taught thy selfe but art dark and blind and ignorant of the light and wants instruction thy selfe by thy own confession therfore what an impudent lyer art thou who before said thou usely spoke by the motion of the holy-Ghost and guided by an infallible Spirit and now not come to that full knowledge of the light that thou needest no man to teach thee but the Prophets and Apostles was come to that before they was made teachers and they by the effect of their Ministry turned many from darknesse to light Act. 16.7 Eph. 8.5.1 Jonn 2 22.31 Que. and brought them to the knowledge of the Anointing so that they needed no man to teach them therefore silence thou deceiver for thy blessings is curses and therefore profits not the people at all Whether they be not the deceivers that cry Loe here and loe there that draw people to look at a Christ in a Heaven far off without them or at a Jerusalem far off without them when as they that cannot witness Christ in them are Reprobates And in thy Answer thou confessest P. Ans that they that cannot witness Christ in them are in a Reprobate condition but thou confessest that thou wilt not say that all who speak of a Christ within them shall be saved yet thou grants that those Teachers who points only at a Christ without them or to any other spiritual Kingdom of God then what must be within saying Loe here is Christ and loe there is his Kingdom may be both deceivers and deceived themselves for the present Herein thou condemnest thy Brethren Reply to be deceivers and deceived who are set up unpheld and maintained by the same earthly power as thou art who are such as cry all lo here and loe there without and wholly draw the peoples mindes without from the light within them that should lead them to the knowledge of Christ and his Kingdom incensing them that it is natural and insufficient and though thou dost here profess to the contrary yet art out of thy own mouth judged to be out of the state of salvation who only professest Christ within yet art found as deep in sin and deceipt and as void of Christ or his Light as the rest of thy Brethren who art doting without as before out of thy mouth is sufficiently proved and so thy selfe art the greatest deceiver only the Serpents subtlety more resined but that thou accusest us that we cry loe here amongst the people called Quakers Christ a lone is to be found Thou art a lier and speakest not from an infallible spinit but from a lying spirit which many can witness against yet they that are of God heare as he that can receive it let him Whether they be not out of the faith of Christ Que. 32. that receive honour or respect persons And in thy Answer thou sayst men may receive honour and yet be in the faith of Christ which to prove P. Answ thou quotest Phil. 2.19 20.2 Cor. 6.16 17.1 Cor. 11.1 2 3.2 Cor. 8.23 and many other which doth not at all concerne the matter of my Query yea thou sayst men may respect persons and be in the faith which to prove thou quotest Act. 26.25 2 Kings 3.14 Psal 15.4 but thou confessest it is a great hinderance to the faith and the believing in the true word for men to seek the honour of men more then the honour that comes from God John 5.44 And thou sayst it is also a blot and blemish to the true Believers to respect the ungodly that are great and rich in this world before the true Saints that are poor yea thou sayst it is a plain deniall of the faith and a good conscience also to respect persons in doing of justice whether for favour or reward Exod. 23.2 3 4 5 6 7 8. All these Scriptures which thou hast here quoted Reply doth not at all justifie the earthly honour which you earthly ones give and receive one of another neither was these things written to the world as thou makes use of them neither did those whom the Apostle speaks of seek after or receive earthly honour as you do who are called of men Master who are set up in the chief seats of the Synagogues and love greetings in the markets and uppermost Rooms at feasts and all
life more then you do therefore let guilt strike you and put not the Devil so far from you when as he fights for you ●or 10.4 ● but carnall Weapons we shall not use against you to root you out but our Weapons are spirituall and mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holdes therefore tremble all ye enemies of God Thy next is concerning the Inward light Is there not a false light as well as a true light Qu. 75. thou quotes 2 Cor. 11.13 14. Thou hast answered thy selfe with this Scripture and I have already proved that this false light rules in thee as an Angel of light who art a Minister of Antichrist transforming thy selfe as a Minister of Christ but out of their life and practice art found and therefore guided by a false light which is an evill eye and dangerous darknesse so that thou canst accuse others but canst not see the falsenesse and deceipt of thine own heart but thinks that thou speakest by the motion of the Holy-Ghost when as therein thou hast sufficiently beene proved a lier and thus Satan rules in thee and makes thee beleive he is God 2 Thes 2.4 and here is thy 76 Querie answered also and that Scripture which thou quotest in Math. 6.23 shall stand and witnesse against thee Are we not therefore to try mens pretended light by the law and word of God and thou quotest Isa 8.20 You neither know the law nor word or God P. Ans and therefore relyes upon the law and word of man contrary to the law word of God yet pretendest to the light the law and the word of God and so by it art tryed and found to be a deceiver who puts the letter for the word and the letter for the law both which is within but according to thy own meaning thou art out of the light who attest many things contrary to the law and testimony as before is proved What may men think of your pretended light who hate so many of your brethren in the Ministery of England Que. 78. and thou quotest 1 Joh. 2.9 The thoughts of man is vaine Ans and would'st thou have the light tryed by that here thou erres from the law and from the testimony and so confirmes my former answer therefore cease thy false accusing from the evill thoughts of thy heart for none of my brethren in the Ministery of God do I hate but I deny that thy brethren are mine Mat. 23.35 for you are spring of another seed and so are become another generation in which the righteous blood is found shed and therefore murderers unto whom belongs this in 1 John 2.9 and Chap. 3.15 where you may read your selves Is there not another light to go before the light of Christ Qu. 79. seeing the wise men that came from the East were guided unto Christ by a star Mat th 2. Thy ignorance of Christ and his light Answ thou hast here manifested and so confirmed my reply to thy answer to my 30. Querie that thou would'st not have confessed that Christ doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world had not John so plainly affirmed it in Ioh. 1. and that thou never yet saw his star who thinks that it is not his light therefore thou that would'st set up another light before the light of Christ art a deceiver and a bringer in of false lights Is not the sure propheticall Word Qu. 86. a light that shines in a dark corner till the true day light arise in your hearts 2 Pet. 1.19 But it is the light of Christ that leads unto Christ the perfect day Ans which light shines in darknesse and darknesse comprehends it not and therefore thou looks without Iohn 1.5 for another light before the light of Christ Whether the life of Christ be not the true light that men are to waite for Qu. 8 1. and wherein the true Children of light are to walk and thou quotest Iohn 1.4 and Eph. 5 9. Thou hast here answered thy selfe Ans for his life is the light of men which they must waite to know within them to guide them and thou that would'st set up another light before this light art a deceiver and this is the light which now is come into the world testifying against the world Iohn 3.19.20 and manifesting you to be the de●●●ers of the world who have long set up false lights to draw from this true light the minds of people therefore now you can no longer hide your selves from this true light you stand up to oppose it where it is set up and some calls it a naturall light and an insufficient light but it is your condemnation Thy next is concerning Prophets and Prophetesses Whether some men may not be acted with a Spirit of falsehood Que. 82. and delusion even then when they think they Prophesie by the Spirit of God as Zedekiah was 1 King 22. This is already answered in my reply to thy answer to any 6th Query Ans and thou in divers places to be thus acted Whether the Lord did ever send forth boyes or striplings to be his prophets publike teachers Q. 83. seeing John the Baptist who was born to be a Prophet of the most high and was filled with the Holy-Ghost from his Mothers wombe was not sent forth to preach and Prophesie till he was 30 yeares old Luk. 1.15 How often have I made thy folly and ignorance Ans in this to appeare and that thou might be ashamed to boast of thy age who so often hast erred not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God who would limit it to time age in which I have before sufficiently answered thee and now I say the Lord sent forth Ieremiah when he was but a Child Ier. 1.6.7 Psal 8.2 Mat. 21. and out of the mouths of Babes and Sucklings the Lord hath perfected his praise therefore hence-forward stop thy mouth for despising any be-because of their youth but know this that whomsoever God calls to his Ministry he by his power and wisdom doth fit them for the same and contrary to the reason of man doth the Lord work therefore if thou wast not blind thou would'st not so much looke at the creature Math. 11.25 but at the power of God in the creature but as it is written He hath hid these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them unto Babes and here thy 84. Querie is also answered Whether the Lord will breake his own orders and commands Qu. 85 expressely set down in his word where he saith as you already heard by Paul 1 Tim. 3.6 And unto this I have already answered Answ at to thy 37 Querie therefore thou blasphemer stop thy mouth and be ashamed thus to accuse the Lord because he is pleased to make his power known in babes and youth for Timothy to whom Paul writes this Epistle
deceiver and sit thee down and consider how thou and thy Brethren have for this many years deceived this Nation and labour thy self and repent in dust and ashes least the Lord in thy destruction make thee an example to all thy Brethren-deceivers What doth the faith which thou professeth Qu. 23. differ from the faith of the Hypocrite and what is the faith of the Hypocrite And in thy Answer thou sayst P. Ans thy faith is A trust in the Lord Jesus to be holpen up again from the fall or to be saved from the hand of thine enemies or of all that hate thee and so to be renewed through him to be inabled to serve him chearfully and without fear in holiness and righteousness before him all the dayes of thy life and thou sayst this faith brings forth obedience and purifies the heart and makes you conformable to Jesus so that thou hopes for no benefit by his death unless thou diest with him to all known sins but the faith of the Hypocrite seeks all wayes something by or through Christ than what it should seek to wit the putting off the old man and the putting on the new which is created after God in righteousness and true holiness and herein thou sayst doth thy Faith differ from the Faith of the Hypocrite and perhaps from James Parnell Yea it doth Reply for my faith is that there is no putting off the old man and putting on the new but by and through Christ John 15.5 which is no more then what I should believe and thy faith which is contrary is the faith of the Hypocrite which will perish yea and out of thy own mouth I shall prove it for by thy own confession thou art still in the fall in saying that thou trustest in the Lord Jesus to be holpen up out of the fall again hereby it is concluded that thou art still in the fall for if thou wast holpen already out of the fall then thou wouldest have the end of thy hope but it s like this faith thou hast professed this many years and hast been a Teacher so long and yet it hath not brought thee out of the fall and therefore it is but a borrowed faith and most of those expressions thou hast stolen out of Luke 1.71.72 73 74 75. which hath not purified thy heart from lies and deceipt neither art thou in obedience or conformable to Jesus Christ who abides not in his doctrine but teachest for doctrine the traditions of men neither art thou dead with him unto all knowne sins for this is one to depart from his doctrine and such hath not God and this is proved against thee in many things as in taking thy Tithes and maintenance of the peoples labours which many of them its like do want it themselves which is a great sin and oppression and secondly in sprinkling infants which is a great delusion to the people and many other things which is before proved against thee which that in thy conscience cannot but testify against And to prove another word which thou callest the ingiven and Inspoken word thou quotest Jer 2.1 and 4.11 13. and to prove another word which thou callest the out spoken word thou quotes Psal 68.11 and to prove another word which thou callest the written word of the Lord thou quotest 2 Tim. 3.16 Here thy ignorance of God is not hid Reply who by thy wit and deceiptfull wisdom would make four of one but all these Scriptures which thou hast quoted doth not prove any other then one Jer. 23.29 which word was in the beginning by which all things was made which thou confessest to be eternall powerfull and living and that word which came unto the Prophets was as a fire and a hammer to beat the Rocks in peices Heb. 4.12 then was it not powerfull and living and one and the same with that the Apostle speaks of which is quick and powerfull Iohn 1.1 1. and sharper then a two edged sword and this is the same word of life which the Apostles spoke from and published which was from the beginning 1 Pet. 1.23 and this was the same word which was published which David there speaks of and by this word was the Prophets all begotten and borne againe and this word is invisible hid from the carnall eye as thou thy selfe confessest though in confusion but that Scripture which thou quotest in the 2 Tim. 3.16 to prove a written word doth not mention any such thing but if thou meanest that the Scriptures is that written word I answer there are many words in the Scripture but the word is but one of which the Scriptures beares Testimony And thus thy ignorance is manifested and returned into thy own bosom What is the end of Christs coming and what is the redemption And in thy Answer thou goest about to prove that many-fould which is but one P. Ans and so runs into thy sundry divisions in thy imaginations and though thou accusest James Parnel that he knows it not yet he is able to discerne thy confusion for in one place thou say'st there is a redemption from all sinne and another redemption from all evill and this thou calls two-fold and thou say'st there is a redemption from the curse of the law and another redemption from the guilt of sin which also thou callest two-fold How many redemptions wouldest thou here make of one Reply thou blind guide Can any be redeemed from all sin and not from all evill and from the curse of the law and not from the guilt of sin and is not all this one and by one and fulfilled in one But it may easily be concluded that thou canst witnesse none of this for so long as thou art in the fall thou art under the curse of the law and the guilt of sin as before out of thy own mouth is proved and they that can witnesse this redemption are Christians indeed and cleasned from earthly mindednesse all which thou nor thy Church is not as before out of thy own mouth is proved but are still in your iniquity upholding the works of the Devill and are not saved from your enemies that are of your own house neither is the righteousnesse of the Law fulfilled in you neither is your souls delivered out of the house of bondage neither is Jesus your high Priest who set up your selves to be Priests in his stead holding up the changeable Priest-hood which took Tithes and so denies Christ come in the flesh and therfore shall be judged by him whom thou confessest is the judge of the world all which thou say'st is the end of Christs coming Whether thou wilt own that Christ hath enlightened every one that cometh into the world Que. 30. and whether they that know that light need any man to teach them and whether thou leadest up any under thy Ministry that they need not thee to teach them And in thy answer thou confessest