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A70157 A just defence and vindication of Gospel ministers and Gospel ordinances against the Quakers many false accusations, slanders and reproaches. In ansvver to John Horwood his letter, and E.B. his book, called, A just and lawful tryal of the ministers and teachers of this age, and several others. Proving the ministers calling and maintenance just and lawful, and the doctrine of perfection by free justification, preached by them, agreeable to the scriptures. VVith the Quakers objections answered. And the Quakers perfection by hearkning to, and obeying a light within them, proved contrary to the scriptures. And their practices in ten particulars proved contrary to the commands and examples of Christ and his apostles. By a lover of gospel ministers and gospel ordinances. Gaskin, John, fl. 1660. 1660 (1660) Wing G290; ESTC R223664 109,852 161

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any conference with the Papists Armenians Pelagians and Familists that they all hold plead and maintain that there is a light in every mans conscience which if he improve and husband well they may attain Salvation by which you may see how much you are deluded and deceived that think your selves run so far from the Papists when you are run to their chief principles of Religion I do not much wonder at your change seeing you are fallen from this article of Justification by Faith alone for as Luther well observeth and foretold Wherefore saith he I say as I have oftentimes said that there is no remedy against Sects and Errors or power to resist them but this only article of Christian Righteousnesse if we lose this article it is impossible for us to withstand any Errors or Sects as we may see at this day in the fantasticall Spirits the Anabaptists and such like who being fallen away from this article of Justification will never cease to fall erre and seduce others untill they come to the fulnesse of all iniquity Minde There is no doubt but they will raise up innumerable Sects and shall devise new works but what are all these things though they have never so goodly a shew of holinesse if we compare them to the Death and Blood of the Son of God who gave himself for me and is it any strange thing to see a man go astray when he hath lost his right way Now Christ is the way and the only way all other wayes are by-paths of a mans own invention he is the rock of ages the chief corner-stone and who ever stumbleth on him he must be dashed in pieces and though a man do erre in many things as we all do yet if he hold fast the foundation he shall be safe and this doctrine of Christian righteousnesse or the righteousnesse of Christ alone apprehended by Faith is this sure foundation and if we miscarry in that we perish eternally but holding that fast we shall be safe to all eternity And now I shall endevour to answer you and the Papists objections concerning this doctrine preached and maintained by our Ministers that a Christian is made perfect by what Christ alone did and suffered and not by any thing done in us or by us Now you Quakers and the Papists do object against this doctrine that it is a doctrine that giveth people liberty to sin and to neglect good works for say you if we lay all our sins upon Christ then we make him a pack-horse for to bear our sins and it matters not how we live in sin Christ having satisfied for them For answer to this I say that this doctrine is a doctrine of Christian Liberty and not a doctrine of Carnal Liberty but such who have carnal hearts and never felt the life and power of Faith have abused this doctrine of Christian Righteousnesse to Carnal Liberty and will abuse the same for the best things are most subject to abuse but the abuse of any thing doth not take away the lawful use of it In the Apostle Paul's dayes there were such for the Apostle having preached the doctrine of Free Grace That where Sin abounded Grace did much more abound what then shall we say shall we continue in Sin that Grace may abound God forbid Offences will come saith Christ but woe be unto those by whom they are given Some followed Christ for by-ends and there were many in the Church of Corinth and Galatia and Philippa that walked disorderly but yet the Apostle Preached and writ this doctrine of Free Justification We know in civil things how apt men are to abuse them as Wine and strong Beer to Drunkennesse good Meat to Gluttony shall we say therefore they are not good nor lawfull to be used and we know a sick Stomach cannot well digest the best meat and shall we therefore say the meat is not good do you not know that Christ saith that many are called but few chosen many called to the external profession of the Gospel but few that live answerable thereunto But the Gospel is still the same and to be Preached as the Apostle saith I am called to Preach the Gospel and wo is me if I Preach not the Gospel and the chief cause why so many walk disorderly is because people do not believe this doctrine of Free Grace for The Grace of God which hath appeared and bringeth Salvation teacheth us That denying ungodlinesse and wordly lusts we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present world The apprehending of the love of God in Christ is that which draweth the heart to love God and love our Brethren as it is said of Mary Magdelen Her sins which are many are forgiven for she loved much Her loving much was not the cause of her sins being forgiven but her sins being forgiven was the cause of her loving much as appears by Christs own words But to whom little is forgiven the same loveth little As for the other Objection That this doctrine of being Justified by the righteousnesse of Christ alone is a means to make men neglect good works I Answer That no man can do one good work before he be justified by Faith in Christ for The person must be accepted before the work can be accepted By Faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain but without Faith it is impossible to please him The Lord had respect first to Abel then to his offering for as Christ saith Either make the tree good and his fruit good or else make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt Now we are made good trees only by b●●ng ingraffed into Christ by Faith and all the works that men do before Faith though never so good for the matter and morally good in themselves yet are they but beautifull abominations in Gods sight the person being not Justified the works that a man doth though good in themselves do not make any man good no more than the good fruit on a tree maketh the tree good but because the tree is good therefore the fruit is good But you Quakers and Papists say then it matters not whether a man do any good works seeing they make him not good By which you manifest your grosse Ignorance of the truth for the Scripture doth teach that good works do declare and manifest the truth of our Faith that it is not a dead but a living Faith as the fruit which the tree beareth doth shew and manifest what the tree is if the fruit be good then is the tree good if the tree bring forth no fruit then it is a barren tree or a dead tree and that is the Apostles meaning when he saith that Faith without works justifieth not The Apostle treateth of manifesting and declaring the truth of our Faith that it is a living Faith and not a dead Faith or rather a bare profession of Faith for saith
with the prayers of all Saints upon the golden Altar which was before the throne and the smoak of the Incense which came with the prayers of the Saints ascended up before God out of the Angels hand Now that Altar was Christ and that Incense was nothing else but Christs merits and mediation by which alone the prayers of all Saints are perfumed and so become acceptable with God or before him for we do not conceive that Christ now in Heaven maketh any vocal prayers to to God the Father for us but that he doth continually present the virtue of his Death and Sufferings before his Father whereby not only our persons are accepted but our services also Now whoever doth deny this intercession or mediation of Christ doth in effect deny Christ because they deny the end of Christ his coming and all such the Apostle John saith That whoever denyeth that Jesus is the Christ is Antichrist and many deceivers are entred into the world which confesse not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh this is a deceiver and an antichrist Now all those that do deny the end of Christs coming in the flesh do deny his coming in the flesh and all those that deny perfect Justification from all sin in and by Christs Death Resurrection and Intercession alone do deny the end of Christs coming and that you Quakers do for you say you are made perfect not by what Christ did and suffered but by what the Spirit worketh in you I some of you have affirmed that Christ never rise from the Grave and that his body is rotted in the Grave and some of you have made a mock of this Doctrine of Justification by the Imputation and Intercession of Christ and some have written against it in theis Pamphlets Now I pray you that revile against all others that are not of your minde calling them Antichrist and the brood of Antichrist Now see whether you are not the Antichrists your selves and the deceivers spoken of by the Apostle We know from whence you learned this Doctrine better than your selves and that is from your Fathers the Papists as I said before for all you cry out against them and all others that are not of your minde to be Popish and as this Doctrine of the Papists and yours doth make Christ and his Mediatorship void and uselesse so it doth make Faith to be uselesse for if a man be justified and saved not by what Christ hath done and suffered for us but being free from sin inherently in us by following and obeying the light within us then we need not believe our perfection because we see and feel it in our selves Now the Apostle defining Faith what it is saith That Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen and the just shall live by Faith and we walk by Faith and not by sight even as Abraham the Father of the faithfull is said by the Apostle to believe against hope and believed in hope and being not weak in faith he considered not his own body n●w dead neither yet the deadnesse of ●arahs wombe though he did see and feel nothing in his body nor Sarahs whereby to believe that he should have a Son yet he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief but was strong in Faith giving glory to God And being fully perswaded that what he had promised he was able also to perform and therefore it was imputed to him for righteousnesse Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him but for us also to whom it shall be imputed If we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead who was delivered for our offences and was raised for our justification Now the Apostle doth argue that as Abraham believed the promise contrary to what he saw or felt in himself so also should we And as this doctrine doth make Faith void and uselesse so doth it also make Repentance uselesse for if a Christian can live without sin then he need not repent for sin Now the Doctrine of Repentance is of use in the Church as we may see by what the Apostle writeth saying Godly sorrow causeth repentance never to be repented of also Christ saith to the Church of Ephesus I know thy works and thy labour and thy patience and how thou canst not bear them which are evil and thou hast tryed them which say they are Apostles and are not and hast born and hast patience and for my name sake hast laboured and hast not fainted Such a commendation as never any Quaker deserved and yet Christ said neverthelesse I have somewhat against thee remember therefore from whence thou art fallen and repent and do the first works Now these were the first Churches and lived in the purest times and yet had need of repentance and dare you Quakers say you are more perfect than they I know you are so in your own eyes but Christ knoweth you are solely pride and ●ypocrisie and how you hold and maintain the Popish doctrine That a man is not justified and saved by Faith in believing only what Christ hath done and suffered for us and for our salvation but those workes of the Spirit in us in being obedient unto the light within us Now that you may see and know that this is an old Popish doctrine I shall shall shew you what Luther writeth concerning the Papists judgement in this particular who knew better than you do because he was trained up many years in the same Religion having been one of their Monks I shall write his very words in his Exposition of the Epistle to the Galathians upon chap. 2. ver 16. Know that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but by the Faith of Jesus Christ We have alwaies saith he recourse to this article that our sins are covered and that God will not lay them to our charge not that sin is not in us minde as the Papists have taught saying that we must be alwaies working well untill we feel that there is no sin remaining in us Yea sin is indeed alwaies in us and the godly do feel it but it is covered and it is not imputed unto us of God for Christs sake Also on the chap. 3. ver 20. Who loved me and gave himselfe for me the Papist saith he use this Verse God will no more require of man Than of himself performe he can Moreover they say that nature is corrupt but the qualities of nature notwithstanding are sound and uncorrupt upon which ground they reason that mans will and understanding are sound and uncorrupt are pure and perfect in him and therefore do infer that a man is able of himself to fulfill the Law and to love God with all his heart and so consequently to be justified thereby It is well known by all that have read the Jesuites writings or have had
Magistrates orders therefore they conclude that all men are as unjust as themselves I confesse if all people in our Parish and all other Parishes were Anabaptists and Quakers then the Ministers should have no maintenance but by the Law and the Magistrates and if there was not a Law to compel the payment of the Ministers dues they must work or beg for a Livelyhood or starve so little Charity there is in the Quakers and other Sectaries as E. B. confesseth But the Papists have more honesty and conscience then these for they will pay the Ministers their dues without compelling them by the Law And whereas the Quakers say if there were no Law to compel people and Magistrates to aid and assist them they must work or beg or do worse or starve I say this is most false for hath not the Lord in times of persecutions when the Laws and Magistrates were against the Ministers provided maintenance for them without working or begging or worse and is not God the same You Quakers will find you will be disappointed of your expectations for if you should prevail with the men in present power to take away all the Laws for Ministers maintenance Which God forbid Yet God will find a way to maintain them without working or begging I mean working with their hands for their Labour or work is greater then any of your Quakers Teachers who run idely about the Countries and take meat and drink for nothing I for worse then naught for telling Lies But the Quakersaith how can they then be maintained seeing their own peoples Love and hearts is gone from them and God hath left them and all honest true hearted people hath left them because of their wickednesse and they deserve not the love of God nor man I confesse if these things were true then were our Ministers in a sad condition But I wonder with what brazen face this man can write such lies and cause them to be printed for that they are lies by what I have written before of the peoples voluntarily maintaining the Ministers may be sufficient proof But I shall add something more for to prove that our Ministers people of their own Parish all that are honest and godly do love them and their hearts are towards them I shall instance in one particular in the Parish where I live the Vicarage house belonging to the Minister was like to fall and there is no law to compel the people either to repair or new-build the Ministers house for by the Law the Ministers are to repair their Vicarage or Parsonage houses But such was the Love of the honest hearted men in the said Parish that they did in love to their Minister pull down the old house and build a new one which did cost them neer three hundred pound and if these people had not loved the Minister I the Ministry would they have voluntarily given so much mony to build the Ministers House I know they that did do it desire not to have a Trumpet sounded of their good works But I may say for my defence herein as the Apostle said I am become a Fool in glorying ye have compelled me to glory and boast of the love and affections of our people to their Ministers I beleive none of you Quakers can boast of such love to your Teachers But I shall tell you who they are in all Parishes that love not the Minister and that is the profane rude people love not their Minister because they reprove them for their sins and the Papists love them not because they are the greatest enemies to their Religion and you Quakers joyn with these and love them not because they would perswade you that you are seduced and drunk with error because they tell you the Truth you are become their enemies I greater enemies then any of the former mentioned and are not you a most proud censorious Generation that dare say that all honest true hearted people have left our Ministers for do you not thereby plainly declare that you count none honest but Quakers Papists Anabaptists and other Sectaries for none but such have left our Ministers unless it be some Atheists and Rantars which sprang up from amongst your selves But you say our Ministers deserve not the love of God because they are so wicked but it implyeth that you are so godly and perfect that you deserve the love of God I can easily discern how you are Jesuit ridden for you learned this Doctrine of deserving or meriting Gods love from them for they were the first Founders thereof Our Ministers will confess they doe not deserve Gods love but will confess that they deserve Gods wrath and say with the Apostle Paul God commendeth his love towards us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us much more then being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him and not through our merits For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son not by our merits Also the Apostle John saith Herein is love not that we loved God but that he loved us before we loved him we love him because he first loved us But you are so grounded in the old leven of Pharisaical righteousnesse and the old Popish Doctrine of Merit that it is a very hard matter to beat you off But what is that great wickedness that our Ministers deserve the hatred both of God and man and no love Why you tell many strange stories in your book but they are all lies you say that our Teachers cries peace unto all that put into their mouths though people be never so ungodly but if they put not into their mouth they prepare war against them by suing them at the Law and castin them into prison if they deny to pay Tithes or money and prepare open war against them by destraining their goods and taking treble damages and in page 12. if a poor woman have but ten eggs in all the world they will have one or but ten Chickins they will have one or but a fire in their house they will have a penny for the smoke and such like Woolvish destroying wayes And these he saith Westmerland and Cumberland can witness You doe well to tell us that these witnesses are a great way off for you think people will rather believe your lies then go so far to disprove them For my part I shall never believe them for I know and have proved the contrary here about and I never heard of a tenth egg nor tenth chickin nor a penny for the smoak If any such custome be in any place I doe not believe any Minister will take these of poor people however they should take the smoak for the penny rather then give a penny for smoak But suppose that in these parts where the Quakers first sprang up and grew so numerous and insolent they did abuse both the Ministers and the Magistrates not