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A91468 Goliahs head cut off with his own sword; in a combat betwixt little David, the young stripling, who stands in the power and strength of his God, and great Goliah the proud boaster, who stands in his own strength, glorifying in the arm of flesh, and contemning and despising little David, because of his youth. In a reply to a book, set forth by an un-named author, under pretence of an answer to thirty six queries, propounded by James Parnell, whom he in scorn calls, the young Quaker. And also an answer to severall counter-queries, propounded by the same unnamed authour, whom I understand to be one Thomas Draton, a teacher of the world, at Abbey Rippon, in Huntingtonshire, ... and also he that takes his part, who writes himself W.P. who knowes not the power of God, and therefore glories in the length of time, and the multitude of years. ... / Given forth from the spirit of the Lord in the behalf of Israel against the armies of the aliens, who muster up themselves against the Lord, and his authority: by a friend to the common-wealth of Israel, who is known to the world, by the name James Parnel. Who is a sufferer in outward bonds, for the testimony of the everlasting truth, in Colchester Castle. 1655. Parnell, James, 1637?-1656. 1655 (1655) Wing P531; Thomason E861_1; ESTC R203310 65,568 94

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thy ignorance of the true spirit and therefore thou and such false Prophets as thou thus smites at and persecutes us that are called Quakers because the Lord is pleased to bestow his spirit upon us whereby we are able to declare your deceipt and manifest your lying spirits who have professed your selves the Ministers of Christ yet strangers to his spirit and opposers of his truth like Jannes and Jambres who are men of corrupt mindes and Reprobates concerning the faith 2 Tim. 3.8 And to the second part of the Query thou sayst P. Ans that the wind doth blow where it listeth if it be not stopped yet are there many false windes which blow likewise from a deceiptful spirit which to prove thou quotest Eph. 4.14 that we henceforth be no more Children tossed to and fro with every winde of Doctrine and sayst Minde this James This I do minde and still sees how thou markest out thy selfe with thy deceiptfull spirit Rep. for if the winde do blowe where it listeth which thou acknowledgest then what is that in you professed Ministers which goes about to stop it with gainsaying and persecution and would limit the spirit of God unto a Text or Theme from which you with your deceitful spirits do raise uses points tryalls and motives c. whereby many poore Creatures are tossed to and fro and carried about with your airy spirits with the slight and cunning craftiness of your brains whereby you study to deceive as thou mayst read in the latter end of the verse which thou hast quoted Ephes 4.14 which here shall stand against thee and so many are the Children which are tossed to and fro by you although they have both beards and age as thou sayst yea some are 30. some 40 some 50 some 60 yea 80. and never yet come to the knowledge of the truth and thus with feigned words through covetousness you make Marchandize of the people beguiling unstable souls but think not that all you false Prophets with the beast that upholds you can stop or quench this spirit which now bloweth where it listeth for with all the slight and craftiness that you can use you shall be made to fall before it and the fruits of your labours shall be given you Whether thou wilt own immediate Revelation now Query 7. yea or nay And in thy Answer thou sayst P. Ans the Apostle teacheth you to pray for the spirit of wisdom and Revelation in the acknowledgement of God which to prove thou quotes Ephes 1.17 but sayst there are many false lights and delusions of Sathan who too often transforms himselfe as an Angel of Light 2 Cor. 11.14 which thou sayst are entertained by unwary men for the Illuminations and Revelations of Gods spirit as appears in Zedekiah aforesaid which to prove thou quotes Ezek. 13.6 2 Thes 2.11 Here again thou hast marked out thy selfe Reply and also belies the Apostle for that Scripture in Ephes 1.17 onely makes mention how the Apostle prayed for the Ephesians that believed but it doth not at all prove that the Apostle taught you that are of the world to pray for the prayers of the wicked are abhominable Prov. 15 8. and the Apostle would not teach such to pray and though in thy Answer the substance of my Query is confessed yet it doth not serve to prove that thou dost witness it in thy selfe or own it where it is possessed who would barre it from youth and limit it to time and age and so shewes thy ignorance of it and that by the false lights and delusions of Satan thou art deceived who in thee rules as an Angel of Light and so thou art one of those unwary men who takes a lying spirit for an infallible spirit as is both here and often before proved who art found in Zedekiahs steps and so art one of those false Prophets which the Prophet speaks of who saith the Lord saith when he never spoke to thee as is before proved and how long have you professed Ministers of this Nation fed the people with expectations and hopes that you would confirm what you have spoken unto them which is not yet come to passe neither likely and thus you have deceived them by your lying divinations for your dishonest gain and therefore for this cause God hath given you up to strong delusions that you should believe a lie that you all might be damned who believe not the truth now it is come unto you but still take pleasure in unrighteousness as in those Scriptures aforesaid which thou hast quoted against thy selfe and so they shall stand What is the Gospel which thou art a Minister of Qu 8. and whether thy Gospel be free and without charge And in thy Answer thou sayst to the first part P. Ans that the Gospel which thou preachest is the same which Christ and his Apostles taught which thou sayst is summarily contained in these four verses Tit. 2.11 12 13 14. wherein the Apostle speaks of the grace of God to be their Teacher to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly justly and godlily in this present World c. And to the second part thou sayst the Apostles Gospel was not every way without charge which to prove thou quotes 2 Cor. 11.8 and again thou sayst Nor hath Christ or any of his Apostles imposed it upon you that the Gospel should be altogether without charge unto them which have it taught which to prove thou quotes Rom. 15.27 And again thou sayst nor is James Parnells Gospel be it right or wrong without charge If he do not take more then it is worth if duly examined it is well Thy Spirit is much against James Parnell Rep. as Zedekia's was against Michajah yet here he can prove thee to be a lier and not onely against him but of his Lord also and therefore if thou beliest the Lord how much more the servant Joh. 1.29 for Christ Jesus the Lambe of God was the Gospel which the Apostles preached which was free and not chargeable to any though he was and is a burdensom stone to them that beleive not in him yet not chargeable And therefore thou blasphemer how darest thou to open thy mouth thus against the Lord and his anointed who art still in thy ungodlinesse and worldly lustes who art pleading for the earth and art a stranger to the free grace of God and therefore these verses which thou hast set downe shall stand to witnesse against thee which thou saist containeth the Gospel which thou preachest but the Apostles Gospel could not be contained in Paper Inke for the heavens could not containe him for he ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things and also of thy Gospel thou makest a trade and a gaine Eph. 4.10 being many yeares at an University as thou calest it to learn to preach it all which the Apostles did not and so thou bringest another
is proved by the Scriptures which thou thy selfe hast quoted which shall here stand against thy selfe Levit. 27.30 31 32. and Numb 18.24 but the Lord did not give it since to the professed Ministers of England but thou sayst man gave it and therefore gave that which was none of their own for it is unjust for any Prince or Ruler to give away the labour or Inheritance of his Subjects unto them that never laboured for it and unto these who under pretence of the Gospel do delude and beguile the souls of his Subjects for their dishonest gain as you professed Ministers of England do and therefore they whose eyes are opened Mich. 2.5 do see you and therefore accounts it a sin unto God to uphold you or put into your mouthes whom the Lord is against and therefore you even prepare Warre against them and it is neither pious nor lawful for any Prince or Governour to force any of his Subjects by a Law contrary to their Consciences and also the Inheritance of the Levites was stated by a Law of God and yours by a Law of Man and they was ordained and set up by God but you by man by whom you are upheld and maintained contrary to Scripture so they come by the will of God you by the will of man they was maintained by the will of God you by the will of man they were of God as all his true Ministers are now and you are of man as all the false Prophets and false Ministers ever was so that there is much difference betwixt you and them and betwixt the Interest that they had in Tithes and the interest that you now claim so that they that robbed them robbed God as in the Scripture which thou hast quoted Mal. 3.8 which shall stand against thee and if the ground of your interest was well searched it would be found that you have it from the Pope and his upholders whose supremacy your selves deny in words to blinde the World but in practice you own it and claim it and again if this which thou speaks of was given to the Ministers of the Gospel then you that are hirelings and the Ministers of Antichrist have no right nor title in it and the Ministers of the Gospel they also do deny it whose care is to make the Gospel free and without charge and therefore cannot oppress any neither will their Consciences serve them to take the increase of others labours by Law or compulsion and therefore it is most just that the Labourer should in peace injoy the fruits of his labours and such idle drones as you who neither labour for God nor for the good of man but are the destroyers both of body and soul should not eat according to the Apostles Rule in 2 Thes 3.10 and thus unto it you have no legall nor civil claim as thou calls it but your Birth-right is as a messe of Pottage neither is your Claim and Title as lawful as a Sonnes is to the Inheritance of his Father as thou sayst but you climbe up another way so are Theeves Robbers John 10.1 Whether ever the Ministers of Christ had or stood in need of an outward Law Qu 11. to compel people to maintain them as thou and such as thou now hath and doth And in thy Answer thou confessest P. Answ that those that are righteous or truly spirituall needs no such compulsive Law to force them for they are a Law unto themselves but thou sayst that the greatest part of the professors in the visible Church alwayes were and yet are earthly-minded and neither do nor can rightly value spiritual and heavenly things But in all thy pretended Answer thou dost not at all resolve the substance of my Query but rather in thy silence in it dost yield thy self out of the practise of the Apostles and by thy own confession it is manifest that neither you professed Ministers nor your Auditors are righteous nor truly spiritual for you stand in need of a compulsive Law to force people to maintain you and the people stands in need of a compulsive Law to force them to maintain you which thou confessest the righteous need not but though you have a compulsive Law the righteous will not maintain you and thus out of thy own mouth thou art judged and the rest of thy Brethren to be the false Prophets who profit not the people at all and again thy own confession proves it that the greatest part of your Church is earthly minded and no wonder while the Teachers themselves are so and thus your Church is the Synagogue of Sathan which is built up of such professors and therefore blush and be ashamed of your Ministry Oh what have you been doing this many years who have wrought no better Reformation and herein you shew your Ministry to be earthly who have no better seals then earthly minded professors who stand in need of a Law to compel them to maintain you and this is as true a saying as any thou hast in thy Book that the greatest part of the professors in your Church are earthly minded but in that thou accusest the Church in the Apostles dayes to be the same thou art a lyer and a false accuser neither canst bring any proofe in the Scripture to maintain what thou sayst but it will witness against thee Act. 4.33 34 35. Act. 5.1.8 for the multitude that believed were of one heart and one soul so that they sold their possessions and laid it at the Apostles feet and it was distributed to every one according as they had need the Ministry took such place in them And whereas there was two found that was earthly minded yet there needed not a Law of man to compel them and the Law of man also was against the Apostles as it is against these now that walk in the same steps yet they do not need a Law of man to force a maintenance for them from worldly or earthly minded professors as the false Prophets and deceivers alwayes did who was alwayes sheltered and upheld by the will of man because they could wink at their iniquity and cry peace to them as thou here dost because they put into thy mouth therefore thou flatters them and daubs them up but it is with untempered morter But the Commission which Christ gave to his Ministers was Ezek. 22 22.28 Mat. 6.25 Mat. 12 11 12 13 14. Take no thought but into whatsoever City or place they entered they was to enquire who was worthy and if they was not willingly received they was to shake off the dust of their feet and so leave them but is it not well known that all your care is to take thought where to get a fat living instead of inquiring who is worthy and there if you have but Authority from man you will have it whether they receive you yea or nay so with shame mightest thou bring any example from the Apostles
will deny the profitableness of your teaching for like people like Priest Hos 4.9 2 Tim. 4.3 as the Prophet said and you are the heaps of teachers that deceive the world and draw itching eares after you who cannot endure sound Doctrine with your fained entising words of mens wisdom but the Teacher of the true Church is but one which is its head even Christ who speaks with Power and Authority and not as you Scribes whose teaching is a profitable teaching as is much witnessed in these latter dayes Mat. 7.29 to your great shame and grief who have been the professed Teachers of the Church of England this many years neither doth any of these Scritpures prove that ever Christ or his Apostles took a Text of Scripture and by humane art and study did raise Uses Points Trialls and Motives as you do which is a commendable teaching 1 Cor. 1.18 1 Cor. 2.4 by the wise ones of the world who know not the wisdom of God but to them the preaching of the Crosse is foolishness as was accounted amongst the Greeks because the Apostle came not with entising words of mens wisdom as you do to please men but in plainness of speech spoke the word of the Lord faithfully and also said If he yet sought to please men he should not be the Servant of Christ Gal. 1.10 but this is all your care whose trust is in man and not in Christ and in all those Scriptures when Christ or his Apostles spoke of a Text of Scripture out of the old Testament it was to shew the fulfilling thereof or to witness to what they had said but you will take these Scriptures for to give your carnall meanings and interpretations of them and so from them speak a divination of your own brain for gain and lucre and this is the use you make of these points as thou calles them which the Scriptures before mentioned will not at all maintain and yet thou canst impudently quote this Scripture in Mat. 6.25.34 which forbids taking thought what to eat what to drink and wherewithall to be cloathed when it is so publickly known that it is your greatest care and that which thou hast been here much labouring to maintain all along to prove it lawful for thee to take nigh 200. or 300. pounds by the year of the world yea and for a Law to compell them if they refuse to give it and yet thou art not ashamed to say that thou dost not go in the way of Balaam for gifts and rewards and the chiefest Scripture which thou hast here quoted will witness against thee as 2 Tim. 3.16 17. which saith the Scripture was given by inspiration of God and is profitable for Doctrine for reproof for correction and instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfected throughly furnished unto every good work but thou hates to be reproved and calles them foul-mouthed currs and the like that do reprove thee and thou teachest for Doctrine the traditions of men as to call a house of Lime and Stone a Church and the like as is before proved And how have you by all your Doctrines reproof correction and instruction this many years perfected any when as the professors therein are earthly minded as thou sayst P. Ans and you that are therefore Teachers the most of all and most of you denies perfection in this life and though thou with thy tongue profess it yet in life denies it which is worst of all and so I take thee and though thou hast been so pleading for thy way yet thou sayst you would change it for a better if any can shew it you and make your hearers beleive that it would be more advantages for them but thou saist this trade of interpreting the Scripture is an old and a good trade which to prove thou quotes Iob. 33.23 Psal 10.2 3. Pro. 1.6 Act. 8.3 Here thou blind guide Reply thy nakednesse is open to the world and thy hearers may consider it who have looked upon thee as their Teacher this many yeares and yet thou thy selfe still to learne which is the best way when as there is but one true way then thou who art ignorant of this true way must needs be in a false way then how hast thou deluded thy hearets this many yeares Jer. 32.39 and also belyed thy selfe in thy Booke And if the Teacher be ever learning then what must the herers of such a one be let the wise-hearted judge and I beleive and know that your hearers would soone beleive the same if the Preachers of truth might have liberty to speake when they come amongst you but if any come in that intent you are ready to set your people upon them to hale them out with force and also you have a law to cast them into Prison as many of us do witnesse at this day and therefore thou liar the convincing of your hearers of a better way is not your greatest care but rather your greatest feare least any should be drawne from you and so your trade come to faile as thou callest it but this I know is your greatest care that any body would shew you a better way to get mony by and also perswade your hearers into it or else thou thinks you are never the better and then you would leave interpreting the Scripture which now thou calles a good trade but thou Marchant of Babylon where doth any of these Scriptures which thou hast quoted prove or terme interpreting the Scripture a trade though you Marchants of Babylon make a trade of it to get lucre by and so call it a trade who think gaine is godliness but well may others accuse you for making a trade and a gaine of the Scriptures while you your selves confesse it and thus thou wrests the Scripture for thine own ends and paints thy work with Scripture for to make the ignorant believe it is grounded upon Scripture oh be ashamed to take it into thy mouth to make a trade of it which was freely spoken forth by the holy men of God as they was moved by the Holy-Ghost and thou makes the people believe it is of some private interpretation and so thou makes Marchandize of the people and so out of thy own mouth art judged to be a lier who before denied it Whether thou dost speake as thou art moved by the Holy-Ghost Que. 20 as they did who spoke forth the Scripture And in thy Answer thou sai'st that thou hast answered to this allready P. Ans that thou usually dost speake at the motion or assistance of the Holy-Ghost thou praises God for it But thou hypocrite I have also in this already proved thee a lier Reply 2 Cor. 4.4 and thy God to be the Father of lies who is the God of the blind world in which thou art a blind guide and an enemy to the Holy-Ghost where he is witnessed to rule and this James Parnel and those thou
deceiver and sit thee down and consider how thou and thy Brethren have for this many years deceived this Nation and labour thy self and repent in dust and ashes least the Lord in thy destruction make thee an example to all thy Brethren-deceivers What doth the faith which thou professeth Qu. 23. differ from the faith of the Hypocrite and what is the faith of the Hypocrite And in thy Answer thou sayst P. Ans thy faith is A trust in the Lord Jesus to be holpen up again from the fall or to be saved from the hand of thine enemies or of all that hate thee and so to be renewed through him to be inabled to serve him chearfully and without fear in holiness and righteousness before him all the dayes of thy life and thou sayst this faith brings forth obedience and purifies the heart and makes you conformable to Jesus so that thou hopes for no benefit by his death unless thou diest with him to all known sins but the faith of the Hypocrite seeks all wayes something by or through Christ than what it should seek to wit the putting off the old man and the putting on the new which is created after God in righteousness and true holiness and herein thou sayst doth thy Faith differ from the Faith of the Hypocrite and perhaps from James Parnell Yea it doth Reply for my faith is that there is no putting off the old man and putting on the new but by and through Christ John 15.5 which is no more then what I should believe and thy faith which is contrary is the faith of the Hypocrite which will perish yea and out of thy own mouth I shall prove it for by thy own confession thou art still in the fall in saying that thou trustest in the Lord Jesus to be holpen up out of the fall again hereby it is concluded that thou art still in the fall for if thou wast holpen already out of the fall then thou wouldest have the end of thy hope but it s like this faith thou hast professed this many years and hast been a Teacher so long and yet it hath not brought thee out of the fall and therefore it is but a borrowed faith and most of those expressions thou hast stolen out of Luke 1.71.72 73 74 75. which hath not purified thy heart from lies and deceipt neither art thou in obedience or conformable to Jesus Christ who abides not in his doctrine but teachest for doctrine the traditions of men neither art thou dead with him unto all knowne sins for this is one to depart from his doctrine and such hath not God and this is proved against thee in many things as in taking thy Tithes and maintenance of the peoples labours which many of them its like do want it themselves which is a great sin and oppression and secondly in sprinkling infants which is a great delusion to the people and many other things which is before proved against thee which that in thy conscience cannot but testify against And to prove another word which thou callest the ingiven and Inspoken word thou quotest Jer 2.1 and 4.11 13. and to prove another word which thou callest the out spoken word thou quotes Psal 68.11 and to prove another word which thou callest the written word of the Lord thou quotest 2 Tim. 3.16 Here thy ignorance of God is not hid Reply who by thy wit and deceiptfull wisdom would make four of one but all these Scriptures which thou hast quoted doth not prove any other then one Jer. 23.29 which word was in the beginning by which all things was made which thou confessest to be eternall powerfull and living and that word which came unto the Prophets was as a fire and a hammer to beat the Rocks in peices Heb. 4.12 then was it not powerfull and living and one and the same with that the Apostle speaks of which is quick and powerfull Iohn 1.1 1. and sharper then a two edged sword and this is the same word of life which the Apostles spoke from and published which was from the beginning 1 Pet. 1.23 and this was the same word which was published which David there speaks of and by this word was the Prophets all begotten and borne againe and this word is invisible hid from the carnall eye as thou thy selfe confessest though in confusion but that Scripture which thou quotest in the 2 Tim. 3.16 to prove a written word doth not mention any such thing but if thou meanest that the Scriptures is that written word I answer there are many words in the Scripture but the word is but one of which the Scriptures beares Testimony And thus thy ignorance is manifested and returned into thy own bosom What is the end of Christs coming and what is the redemption And in thy Answer thou goest about to prove that many-fould which is but one P. Ans and so runs into thy sundry divisions in thy imaginations and though thou accusest James Parnel that he knows it not yet he is able to discerne thy confusion for in one place thou say'st there is a redemption from all sinne and another redemption from all evill and this thou calls two-fold and thou say'st there is a redemption from the curse of the law and another redemption from the guilt of sin which also thou callest two-fold How many redemptions wouldest thou here make of one Reply thou blind guide Can any be redeemed from all sin and not from all evill and from the curse of the law and not from the guilt of sin and is not all this one and by one and fulfilled in one But it may easily be concluded that thou canst witnesse none of this for so long as thou art in the fall thou art under the curse of the law and the guilt of sin as before out of thy own mouth is proved and they that can witnesse this redemption are Christians indeed and cleasned from earthly mindednesse all which thou nor thy Church is not as before out of thy own mouth is proved but are still in your iniquity upholding the works of the Devill and are not saved from your enemies that are of your own house neither is the righteousnesse of the Law fulfilled in you neither is your souls delivered out of the house of bondage neither is Jesus your high Priest who set up your selves to be Priests in his stead holding up the changeable Priest-hood which took Tithes and so denies Christ come in the flesh and therfore shall be judged by him whom thou confessest is the judge of the world all which thou say'st is the end of Christs coming Whether thou wilt own that Christ hath enlightened every one that cometh into the world Que. 30. and whether they that know that light need any man to teach them and whether thou leadest up any under thy Ministry that they need not thee to teach them And in thy answer thou confessest