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A34470 A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1656 (1656) Wing C6094; ESTC R215454 85,329 113

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Coppin speake Rosewell Pray let me speak you see with what a bundle of words this man hath heaped up a discourse as that the wicked one in man doth commit sin and that when Christ doth come that is but the beginings of his regeneration and you know that when Christ doth lay hold on any soule there is a work of regeneration wrought on that man and this work of regeneration Christ doth work onely in his people not in all men Coppin It is manifest that all men were and are the people of God though til this work of regeneration is wrought in them they do not appeare to be of God but of the devill having not the knowledg of God within them CHAP. XI A briefe hint of generall salvation by Christ of the people called Jews Gentiles and Heathens c. that it is the onely doctrine to keep men from sin and to be assured of their owne salvation how and when ROsewell The whole Scripture puts difference between the seed of the woman and the seea of the serpent and between them that shall be saved and them that shall be damned and if the devill should come from hell and preach a doctrine to bring men to the broad way of destruction this is the onely thing to make them believe all shall be saved and that whatsoever good deeds man doe can doe them no good and whatsoever evill deeds they doe can doe them no hurt Coppin You say there is no greater thing in the world to bring men into the broad way of destruction then to tell men that all shall be saved and that it is doctrine of devills therefore shall I goe on and prove how God will save all men and destroy onely the seed of the serpent in them which is no doctrine of devills but of Christ and his Apostles which they preached for to call men to salvation from the broad way of destruction into which they were led by the doctrine of damnation or damnable doctrine the doctrine of devills For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved and it is God that justisieth sinners who the● shall condemn Not I saith the Lord for I will that all men shall be saved and of this saith Paul am I made a Minister I speak the truth in Christ and lye not my conscience also bearing me witnesse in the Holy Ghost that I have great heavinesse for my Brethren according to the flesh who are Israelites and yet ignorant of this mysterie their own salvation 〈…〉 and therefore Brethren consider seriously of the Doctrine of the Apostle in Rom. Chap. 9. 10. 11. First he goes on and tells them that though Israel be as the sand in the sea yet a remnant shall be saved meaning of the Jewes at that time to whom the word Election only belongs for a very small number then believed the rest were blinded yet he tells them it shall come to passe that in the same place where it was said unto them Ye are not my people there shall it be said Ye are the children of the living God what saith the Apostle though Israel be cut off for a time hath God therefore cast away his people which he foreknew God forbid God hath not cast away his people for ever though at this present time there remains but a remnant according to the Election of grace that is now saith he but doth not tell them it shall be alwayes so but to the contrary he affirmes for the holy seed was still in them though they were blind and saw it not and of this he would not have them ignorant that blindnesse in part is happened to Israel until the fulnesse of the Gentiles be come in and so saith he which said before a remnant should be saved saith now all Israel shall be saved as it is written A Deliverer shall come out of Sion and shall turn away ungodlinesse from Jacob and this shall be my Covenant when I take away their sins for the people shall be all righteous a little one shall become a thousand a small number shall become a great number I the Lord shall hasten it in due time that it shall no more be said a remnant but all Israel shall be saved yea Jewes and Gentiles bond and free all have been baptized into Christ and shall be saved by Christ who is all and in all And the Heathen also hath he given to his Son Christ for an inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for his possession to be possest by him but of the times and seasons Brethren I would not have you ignorant for he comes as a Thief in the night And whereas you say that this Doctrine of Salvation to all men gives men liberty to sin I tell you no for when once this love of God which is so free to all men hath appeared to my soul thy soul and any soul in the world it will keep him from the liberty of sining and bind him fast to the liberty of Christ as it is written The grace of God which brings salvation to all men hath appeared what to do to give them liberty to sin no but doth teach them to deny all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and to live soberly and righteously in this present world no more according to your own wills but the Lords will for now they are in the power and hands of the Lord and he doth act them which way he please for his own glory and their good in him and then what art thou O man that judgest thy Brother thou therein judgest the Law by which he is kept and thou art not then a doer of the Law but a Judge for man cannot do any thing of himself but by that Law which he is kept and therefore all men are to say If the Lord will we shall do this or that for the Law of love which is in Christ constrains men to that which is good from that which is evil And therefore to the contrarie of what you say I declare that by your preaching of wrath hell and damnation to poor souls that are weak in the faith it doth but cast them down from the knowledge of the love of God through which they should s●● themselves saved and they can never see the love of God in Christ after that way which you preach unto them and therefore pray see friends who say they Preaches Gospel know what Gospel 't is they Preach the Apostle saith The Gospel which they preach is not after mans wisdome but by the demonstration of the spirit and of power For we Preach saith he Christ crucified to the Jewes a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishnesse because they know not the mysterie of godlinesse which is Christ in them the wisdome of God and the power of God and we preach peace on earth and good will towards men and
in due time it shall be manifest to all for there is but the want of faith in men to believe it which is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen by which all men are assured and draw nigh unto God which in due time shall be manifest to all men Now if this Spirit of Faith and faithfull Witness the Lord Jesus thus manifest in men for the salvation of their soules will not keep men from licentiousness there is nothing will for which seriously consider the Apostles words in Titus 2. 11. We were wicked and sinfull saith he as well as others but when the grace of God which bringeth salvation to all men had appeared to us teaching us that denying all ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly and righteously in this present world speaking evill of no man for we our selves also were sometimes foolish disobedient deceived serving divers lusts and pleasures living in malice and envie and hating one another as well as others but after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to his mercie he saved us how why by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost and so saith Peter see that you lay aside all malice guile and hipocrisies and envyings and evill speakings and as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the Word that you may grow thereby if so be you hav● tasted that the Lord is gracions CHAP. XVII The complaint of Ministers to Magistrates against those that Preach without Orders from the Vniversitie the dutie of Magistrates not to forbid any but to reprove such complainers AGaine you say you would have men learn and study the Scriptures but not to Preach of them but sure that is for feare your trade of Preaching should goe downe and you to keep it up will cry out to the Magistrates to forbid and suppress all that declare any thing of the love of God to their soules and have not the like Orders from the Universities as you have concerning which read Numbers 11. there was Moses a Magistrate of the Lord and the Lord commanded him to gather unto him seventy of the men of Israell to assist him in the work of the Lord and to bring them up to the Tabernacle where they should receive the Spirit and to prophesie Now there were two men which did not come up to the Tabernacle as the rest did but tarried behind in the Camp and there received the Spirit and Prophesied whereof complaint was made to Moses of them saying Eldad and Medad doe Prophesie in the Camp my Lord Moses forbid them why saith Moses enviest thou for my sake I would all the Lords people were Prophets and that he would powre his Spirit upon them though they came not up to the Tabernacle yet having the Spirit let them prophesie So now if any man do declare any thing of God which hath not been at the Universitie woe he is immediatelie cried out against to the Magistrate as a blasphemer to be forbidden but God is not tied to place nor persons nor learning it is not your your Schools will make you Ministers of the Gospel no it is the Spirit of the Lord that doth make a Minister of the Gospel and it was the Spirit that made Christ a Minister for saith he the Spirit of the Lord is upon me therefore will I preach glad tydings of the Gospel and as everie man hath received the Spirit so let them administer without any forbiding Now you Magistrates you are set up for the punishment of evill doers and for the praise of them that doe well but are you like that godly man Moses a Magistrate of the Lords to discern the good which is to be praised and the evill which is to be punished and so to doe justice and righteousness to countenance Godliness if you were you would fordid none to Preach that speaks their experience of the things of God but would incourage all men and wish all the Lords people were Prophets and that he would powre his Spirit upon them and so like Moses reprove any that would have them forbid and then you would appear to be Magistrates of the Lord as Moses was and to doe the worke of God as Moses did for which the Lord instruct you all CHAP. XVIII A childs condition is Christs Kingdome their coming to him his hand laid on them they blessed by him of his arm to all men and when AGaine there is one thing more which you have said and that I must open That is you say that thousands of Children are now in hell for their originall sin which is a trouble to many people to heare such things asserted therefore what the Lord may discover to me at this time concerning this thing that will I declare to you That when the Lord Jesus would declare unto his disciples who were subjects fit for the Kingdome of God he takes a little child in his armes and sets him in the midst of them saying except you become as this child you cannot enter into the Kingdome of Heaven that is to become a child in the knowledg of things below Christ to know no more sin nor divell then a child doth and to be as meek and as humble as innocent and as harmlesse as a child is now Christ tells them they must be borne againe into a childs condition that is to be little even as nothing in their owne wisdome and not to know themselves able to act themselves forth in any thing neither in thought word or deed but in all things to be acted by another even God and this Spirituall birth Nicodemus a Ruler among the Jewes was ignorant of saying unto Christ How can a man be borne when he is old can he enter the second time into his Mothers womb and be born no saith Christ not so but except you be borne of the Spirit of Regeneration and the new birth and so become as a little child to know no evill sin nor divell nor any thing of selfe wisdome knowledge or righteousness which he was concieved in by that Mother the flesh or carnall mind but to be as one dead in all old things borne by that Mother and liveing againe in a new life to behold all things made new in him and Christ knew that a little child was the fitest subject he could compare a soule unto whereby he might know himselfe a subject fit for the Kingdome of God free from all sin Againe there were some that brought little children unto Christ that he should touch them and his Disciples reproved those that brought them and Christ said suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not for of such is the Kingdome of God this Scripture I know is brought by the Ministers to prove the baptizeing of children with water though I denie
question is far fetcht and to little purpose and I shall answer you thus That those Ministers that do preach the Doctrine of Damnation telling people they are eternallie damned are no Gospel Ministers and do preach from an evil Spirit but Christ did not preach this Doctrine of Eternal Damnation to any for he did preach salvation to all men and the acceptable year of the Lord For he came not to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved Sanbroke Mat. 23. 14. Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites how will you escape the damnation of hell and therefore you shall receive the greater damnation Coppin Christ was then a fulfilling the Law which the Scribes and Pharisees did exercise upon the people as a burthen too heavie for them to bear for which several woes of damnation were pronounced against them and to be fulfilled upon them in that generation and Christ speaks not of eternal damnation but of degrees of damnation as of greater and lesser that should come upon them for their hypocrisie among the people and their not believing the glad tidings of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God which Christ told them was to be revealed in them and which would suddainlie come unto them yea them in that generation to whom damnation was then threatened and they hearing of this demanded of Christ the time when the Kingdome of God should come for which they then waited and hoped for and Christ answer'd and said The Kingdom of God comes not with observations neither shall they say lo here or lo there for behold the Kingdome of God is within you yea within you Scribes and Pharisees though you shut it up against your selves and others which many people also now do for which their judgment of long time lingereth not and their damnation slumbereth not but is so much the sooner and the greater unto them And therefore that forenamed place you quoted to prove the Doctrine of Damnation cannot be meant of eternal Damnation since he tells them The Kingdome of God is within them And this saith he is life eternal to know God the true God and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent therefore how doth this prove your Proposition you say they were finallie damned and yet Christ tells them the Kingdome of God was within them Sanbroke Were they Believers or Vnbelievers Coppin They were then Unbelievers not knowing the Kingdome of God to be within them and therefore did oppose it but your Schools will never teach you this lesson of knowing Christ within you which will confound all the wisdome and knowledge you there learn for in the School of men you learn the things of men but in the Schools of Christ the things of Christ and you shall never learn this mysterie of Christ in you till you become Christs Scholar Sanbroke How long doth this Damnation last on them Coppin So long as they do continue unbelievers Sanbroke You do not understand the Text Coppin You will never say that I or any man else do understand in but your selves unlesse they would understand it in your sense for you would have people learn no farther then you teach them but God will destroy all the teachings of men Sanbroke But if Christ did give his Ministers a Commission to preach Damnation then it is good and sound Doctrine so to do and they are not evil Spirits which do it as you do say Coppin But Christ did not give any such Commission to any of his Ministers that he sent forth to preach the Gospel to preach Damnation neither did they do it nor did I say so by them but by those that run and were not sent by him of which I also said somthing to this purpose in a book of mine called Truths Testimony from whence I suppose you had those words but produce but the book and I will warrant you there is an answer to it sufficient to prove it Sanbroke Indeed I had one of the books but I burnt it but to the Proposition Christ bids his Ministers preach the Gospel to every creature He that believes shall be saved and he that believes not shall be damned Coppin But pray mark you Christ doth bid his Discipies go into all the world and preach the Gospel to everie creature which is life and salvation to all by Christ and not damnation to any but salvation to everie creature and he that believes not this Doctrine hath damnation in himself alreadie and this Gospel was to be preached after Christ was risen from the dead and had compleatlie fulfilled the Law which before did condemn them Now saith he Go preach that Gospel of peace and of reconciliation to to everie creature in the world that God is in me reconciling them all to himself for now am I risen to be the life and light of all men and you are not to preach death and damnation but that I am come who is their life and salvation and this is their condemnation that I am come saith Christ and they believe it not or that this Gospel is preached and men receive it not And now do I question whether some of you have received this Gospel Commission from Christ yet or no and do preach the same Gospel for the same end after the same manner as they did for he bids his Disciples preach the Gospel which will save men and you preach the Law which will condemn men their salvation by Christ without works and you damnation without works they preach it to everie creature and freelie and you preach it but to some and for hire and so instead of preaching unitie peace and love amongst men you preach division wrath and eternal damnation which is no Gospel message and such are in no Gospel way have no Gospel Ministerie committed unto them and therefore no Commission from Christ to preach Rosewell If the Gospel be to be Preached to every creature then it must be Preached to stocks and stones for they are creatures Coppin Such things are not capable of hearing and receiving the sound thereof but to every man to every rationall creature the Gospel was to be Preached and is Preached and the sound thereof hath been heard amongst them to all the ends of the earth Sanbroke The time shall come that the Gospel shall be Preached to all men and they shall all heare of this Gospel Coppin But when shall they have it Preached say you I say 't is Preached to all the world already Sanbroke I deny it Coppin I prove it Col. 1. 6. The Gospel which we Preach saith the Apostle is the same which is come unto you as it is in all the world and saith he be not removed away from the hope of the Gospel which you have heard and which was Preached to every creature in the world which is under Heaven whereof I Paul am made a Minister yea of that Gospel which
what I have spoken or acted at any time against this present Government but I shall prove that he hath for he that shall oppose contend against or speak evil of any Law or thing contained in this present Government he is an enemie to it but this man Mr. Rosewell doth contend against speak evil of and stand in opposition to that freedome and libertie of the people in the exercise of their Religion towards God which this present Government doth allow them therefore is he an enemie to the present Government which I prove for the Lord Protector in his Instrument of Government signed by him in the Year fifty three doth declare That all persons professing Faith in God by Jesus Christ though they differ in judgement from the Doctrine Worship or Discipline publikely held forth shall not be restrained from but protected in the exercise of their Faith and practise of their Religion so far as it extends not to Popery and Prelacy nor to the disturbance of the Publike Peace nor licentious practises To all which your judgment have extended and therefore this libertie do you oppose and speak evil of as the people all may witnesse CHAP. XVI The return of all men home to God by Christ the broad and narrow way and who finds it that the Doctrine of Gods love in saving all men is the only means to keep men from sin AGain whereas you did declare that this Doctrine of the love of God to all men did give way to licentiousnesse and wickednesse I denie and this I have before sufficientlie cleared to you in these Disputes that it is the onlie means to keep them from sin and this was that which Christ did command his Disciples to declare to all the world for that end even Gods eternal love in Christ to poor sinners as the way and means that God had appointed to bring home to him all that were banished from him according as 't is written 2 Sam. 14. 14. For we must needs die and are as water spilt upon the ground which cannot be gathered up again neither doth God respect any person yet doth he devise means that his banished be not expel'd from him and this way and means is the Lord Jesus who was set up from everlasting to be the way the truth and the light yea a witnesse a Leader and a Commander to all people that when we were enemies to him by wicked works and so dead in sins and trespasses yet then did God in his Son reconcile us all to himself and made us accepted in the beloved Jesus that as there was a broad way in which all men did fall from God and did become strangers to God so there is also a narrow way and a living way even Christ himself in which all men shall come to God again and indeed there is but few a verie small number that can finde this way nay so few that it is but onlie one and that is God in Christ who is himself as a Son the way to himself as the Father which none can know or find but himself for so it is written That no man knows the Son but the Father nor no man knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son shall reveal him and so there is but onlie one even Christ in all men that is the way for all men to come to God by You read of ten Lepers that were cleansed and but one which did returne to give glorie to God then said Christ Where are the other nine Now they were all cleansed and but one that saw it and he glorified God and that one was Christ in him that did see it that gave glorie to God for him and all the rest that were cleansed and so there is none but Jesus Christ that can glorifie God in all or that can trulie pray and give thanks to God for all for he onlie is accepted of the Father and all men as one in him are accepted of the Father with him for he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them Brethren and that he might gather together in one all things in Christ of things in heaven and things on earth even in him and I in them and thou in me saith Christ that we all may be made perfect in one Rosewell Captain Smith will you let him go on any further Captain Smith We cannot deny him he will claime a promise for it Coppin Hear I beseech you for I am now declaring the gathering together of all men in Christ to be by him brought home to the Father and therefore mark what the Scripture saith I will saith Christ seek that which was lost and bring again that which was driven away and will bind up that which was broken and will strengthen that which was sick and so bring them health and cure and I will cure them and will cause their captivity to return and will build them up as at the first and so cleanse them from all iniquitie Now that all men sined fell and were lost in Adam none will denie because the Scripture saith it but that all men that sined and were lost in Adam shall again be redeemed and made righteous by Christ that you call blasphemie though proved by the same Scripture and let the people judg who perverts Scripture of us two Christ tells you he came to seek and to save that which was lost then as in Adam all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive yea the same all that were lost in the one are found in the other and the Lord Jesus did declare himselfe to all men for this purpose and did pray for them which were enemies to him and had imbrued their hands in his blood Father forgive them they know not what they do and my little children saith John these things I write unto you that you sin not and if any man sin we have an Advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous who is a Propitiation for our sins and not for ours only but for the sins of the whole world and this saith Paul is good and acceptable to God the Father who will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth woe but will God have all men saved and will he save all that was lost woe but man will not have it so for he would have but some of them saved though the Lord saith he will have all and now for shame say no more that Coppin onlie will have all men saved but say also that the Lord will have all men saved since the Scripture is so clear for it and then Lord who hath resisted thy will Lord let thy will be done for of thee and through thee and to thee are all things Rosewell He saith all men shall be saved but doth not know when Coppin I say
man where I am not ashamed to speake the truth and now is my time to speak being accused for the truth and Sir you were once accused your self for Blasphemie said he What is that to you if I were the Law freed me Said I I doubt not but that it will me also when I come to have Law in the mean time do you do unto others as you would others should do unto you Then said the Major to Captain Smith Take him away let him not stay here to retort his words upon us I answered that what I speak is the truth and am not ashamed of it though others may of what they do And now Gentlemen I thank you for what you have done for in this you will bring much glorie to God and confusion to his enemies though which way you know not but I do and so farewell CHAP. XXI The confidence joy and freedome of a Prisoner for with and in the truth Christ and his Generation owned denied imprisoned judged and freed by whom and why of the power life and light of truth most advanced when most opposed and how ANd now my jorneuy to prison the same night was with so much joy and chearfulness as ever I had in any thing in my life I seeing the end with the begining the last with the first and the first with the last even God which is but according to my principle and the sum of my doctrine which I always declare to the world That if I goe to hell thou art there if I goe to Heaven thou art there if I goe to the ends of the earth thou art there also and thy right hand doth lead me that is he is always with me sweetening and refreshing making joyfull pleasant and delightfull unto me all times places and things with his presence for his owne glory and my peace though with much sorrow to many of my friends that a prison to me in my cause is a palace where I sweetly injoy the Lord my selfe and my friends all together in one unconfined Spirit that in the companie of one I injoy manie for when I am alone then are all with me yea you all in all parts of the world whose Spirit is my owne the Spirit life and power of all accompaning of me in the same work it hath done and is to doe by me for the perfiting of the Saints for the work of the Ministerie and for the edifying of the bodie of Christ till they are all come into the unitie of one spirit to the knowledg of one God in which word Christ saith I and my Father are one he works and I work saith Christ and I am not alone for the Father is with me and Christ when he was in prison yea when he descended into hell injoyed the company of his Father with him which was a Saviour unto him and forth of a prison doth our Saviour come Ah poore prisoners that are in prison and know not that their Saviour is with them that makes a prison a prison unto them It is written of Christ that he was taken from prison and from judgment and who shall declare his generation who can pitie prisoners but he that hath all pitie and is prisoner with them who can shew mercy in judgment but he that is all mercy and himselfe under judgment with those that are judged this is Christ and his generation and no pitie nor mercy is shewed unto them but by him that is in prison and in judgment with them even the Father in Christ taking pitie of and shewing mercy to his owne Children generation after generation therefore a poor despised rejected cast out imprisoned generation to the world is the generation of Christ for in him is no form nor comeliness his visage is more marred then any mans so is his generation and who will owne it and declare to be for it to manifest this generation but onelie he that can be with all that can lay downe his life and take it up againe nothing of the world of man or the nature in its own outward excellency glory of righteousness Religion will acknowledg it but make it self a stranger to it though it be its own flesh onlie a poor despised scattered seed of the same Generation that hath nothing nor know nothing but the Lord to trust upon that will own it no it was that seed that men now seek to kill flay and burie and would not have grow or encrease that did own them when they were in their blood and yet they will not own him because they did not know him He came to his owne and his own reteived him not and why was it but because he came not to give them a Kingdome of worldlie glorie riches and honour but rather to take it from them to strip them of all their esteem among men and to make them denie themselves the world and all things therein to take up his crosse and follow him but this is a heavie burthen to bear a wearie step to tread a narrow path to go and few there be that find it this is the burthen that I am made to bear the steps I am made to tread and the path I am made to goe but having alwayes with me the companie of the Lord I can never faint nor be wearie but be refreshed and at rest in the Lord and so through him become a Conquerour over those things rejoycing with joy unspeakable and which is unlawful to be uttered unto men by the Lawes of men that now let men confine me banish me or do what they can unto me the Lord in whom I live will not leave me nor forsake me and now though my bodie be confined my spirit is at libertie contrarie to the will of my enemies who have sought to deprive me both of companie and comforts pen ink and paper as they themselves hath declared to wearie me of my principle to make me recant my judgement and to draw the peoples affections from it but the more by their endeavouring to make good their intentions the farther off is it from fulfilling that I freelie forgive them and leave them to the Lord who will render to everie man according to his deeds and bring glorie to himselfe through all things for the wrath of man shall turne to the praise of God and by imprisonment is Truths inlargement for it shall spring out of the earth and overflow the refuge of lies and the Lord will ride prosperouslie because of truth of meeknesse and of righteousnesse that the more you seek to stop it with the greater currant it will run till the parched ground is become a poole and the drie land springs of water for in the wildernesse shall waters break out and streams in the Desert and as fire among thorns so is truth among the enemies of the Lords people and the more you seek to quench it with the greater flames it will