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A93918 The doctrines and principles the persecution, imprisonment, banishment, excommunicating of the saints of God, by the priests and magistrates of Scotland, contrary to the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles ... Stockdale, William, d. 1693. 1659 (1659) Wing S5693A; ESTC R184702 60,391 90

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doth not commit sin but the unbelief is sin Rom 11 20 and Christ is the end of the Law to every one that believes for righteousness sake Rom. 10.4 and yet thou puts both believers and unbelievers under the Law Lodowick Simerell Priest of the new parish of Munckland his Principles and Doctrines Pr. THat it is blasphemy to say that the light in man which reproves of sin is the light of God is perfect is the gift of God Answ Contrary to scripture contrary to Christs words and contrary to the Apostles words is thy doctrine and Principles for every gift of God is perfect Isa 1.17 Isa 49.6 Joh. 1.3 Joh. 4. For Christ is the gift of God and he hath given him for a Covenant of light to the Jews and Gentiles which doth enlighten every man that commeth into the world which every one that doth truth comes to it which every one that doth evil hates the light and will not come to the light because the light will reprove him and so This is the condemnation of the world that light is come into the world and men love darkenesse rather then light because their deeds be evill So this light is perfect which doth reprove every man of sin and is from above and it is the gift of God and thou art blind and in darkness that comprehends it not And the light which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world Christ Jesus the gift of God him by whom the world was made this light was before any naturall light was made Sun Moon or Stars for all things that was made was made by the light which came a light into the world that all through him might believe for he that believes not in the light is condemned already and he that does believe in the light hath the witnesse in himself to set to his seal that God is true and the spirit of truth that doth reprove the world is perfect and of God The light which every one that cometh into the world is enlightened withall is not conscience for the light was before any thing was made or conscience named So the light is that which exerciseth the conscience towards God and towards man where it is loved and the voice heard but where it is hated and the voice not heard the conscience is seared and the light is their condemnation whose consciences is seared which light was before conscience was The Priest would not have thee and thou to be to a single person and so is the man that would not indure sound words that cannot be condemned thee and thou was the language between God and his Saints and one another and you is to many and thou was to one and this was the language between Jeptha and his daughter and between the Saints and the Kings this shewes thou hast not learned the Accidence nor Bible nor art come to the form of sound words John Castaires called Minister of Glascow his Principles Pr. T Is naturall folkes duty to pray to God and worship him although they sinfully keep themselves under a sinfull necessity to sin against God through ignorance Answ This hath been your worke to keep people in ignorance which you may be ashamed of A natural man cannot worship God for he cannot receive the things of God nor a sinfull man but worship the Devil for he that commits sin serves him and he that serves sin serves the Devill and worships him Iohn 8 34 And Christ said the Pharisees should receive the greater damnation for their pretended long prayers Mat. 23 14 and so he did not justifie them in their long prayers but rebuked them and said Wo unto them who draw near with their lips when their hearts were far off Isa 29 13 And they that pray and worship God must pray in the spirit 1 Cor 14 15 and worship in the Spirit which the Devil is out of John 4 21 Pr If the first Command be in force and if it be in force negatively it is also in force positively thou shalt have me for thy God and oughtest to worship me and if they pray not as they should let them answer for it for it is not sin of it self Answ The children of Israel that the Commandments were given unto knew God but the Heathen knows him not here all may see what measure thou measures withall And further thou sayest if they pray as they should not and yet not sin is praying as they should and as they should not one by this to call upon God with their lips and the heart not right and the prayers and sacrifice of the wicked is justified Prov. 15.8 and if any pray as they should not are they not condemned for it and if in praying as they should not be not sin then they doe as they should Pr. If folks should not pray because they are uncapable then a believer not finding himself in a good frame may let his prayers alone Answ A Believer is ababe of God and his cry is right his prayer is right and his groan is right 1 John 5.1 And every man that cometh into the world being enlightned and coming into the light which hath enlightned him 1 John 1.7 in that he is to watch and pray which leads him beyond naturals which will be accepted in the degree but he that hates the light his prayer is not accepted but is in the hypocrisie Pr. The Apostles bad Simon Magus an old witchcarle pray and now is there any reason to say we are bidding folk sin when we bid them pray although they be grosly ignorant Answ The Apostle bad him Repent Acts 8.22 and he was sensible he had sinned and that which makes a man sensible of sinne brings him to pray aright and turnes him from witchcraft and so thou dost put no difference between the precious and the vile Ezek. 22.26 the accepted and unaccepted And Hen. Foreside who would have had his people to stone the Quakers and calls it Christian zeal he would have his wall up that he might live in safety who murthers and would be preserved in the murtherous estate and would have the powers of the earth to be his Executioners and pack-horses but the Lord is opening of their eyes that they will not execute their malice though he is stirring up the people to do so so all may see this is not the work of our Lord Jesus Christ but the work of the Murtherer and one that makes himself drunk with the blood of the Saints Rev. 17.6 till he reel again in his madnesse And Christ called them that took up stones to stone him of their Father the Devil for doing his lust John 8.44 And thou who would have the people to stone and calls it Christian zeal thou hast manifested thy Father and to be of the Devil who was a Murtherer from the beginning but you are the Serpents and vipers that would kill to fill the measure of your Fathers Mat. 23.32 and persecute
Mat. 7.23 Mat. 25 41. And he that sinneth after he hath received the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of judgement Hebr. 10.27 And the elect doth not commit sin and who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods Elect Rom. 8.33 and the Elect is Christ Isai 42.1 who was elected before the world was he that is born of God doth not commit sin neither can he because his seed remains in him 1 John 3.9 And he that commits sin is of the Devil and never knew God vers 6 And here is the children of God maniest and the children of the Devil 1 Joh 3 10 and God hears not sinners and them that regard iniquity Psal 66.18 Joh. 9.31 Prov 15 8 Pr That the great part of the world was ordained for Hell that repent or do all that they are commanded to doe they would not obtain salvation because God had ordained them to Hell Ans Then he was asked wherefore he preached His answer was to save the elect he was answered again if it was so there was no need of that seeing they could not be lost Then he was asked before he preached to them that were ordained to Hell he answered to make their damnation hotter it was answered them again that they had small friends of them and they could not make it hotter seeing they were ordained before the Priest aforesaid was asked who had the blame that men went to Hell His answer was Seeing ye desire to know I shall tell you there is one part of the blame in man and another part of the blame in the Almighty that men went to Hell Ans In this here is confusion thou sayest God hath ordained them thou sayest God has done it then mark then thou sayest there is part in man and thou sayest before it was in God now if it be in God as thou sayest that he hath ordained them to hell repent or do all that they are commanded to do thy preaching is needless and thou cannot add to Hell hotter or colder Therefore thy preaching is done and ceased And thou saist part of the blame that men go to hell is in God here thou wouldest make God unrighteous who desires not the death of a sinner God is not to be blamed in any thing he doth but praised and righteous in all his judgements and God is not to be blamed for God is truth so let God be true and every man a lyar Rom. 3.4 thou wicked one mans destruction is of himself Hos 13.9 and God wills not the death of a sinner but rather that he would repent so no fault in God who saith let the unrighteous man forsake his unrighteousness and he shall live so let the righteous man forsake his righteousnesse and he dies Ezek. 18.22 So my ways are equall the Lord hath no pleasure at all that the wicked should die but that he should return and live so mans destruction is of himself And whereas thou sayest God hath ordained a great part to Hell what makest thou of Christ who came to be a Saviour of the world John 4.42 he doth not say the Elect onely but to save the world and not to condemn it and God so loved the world mark the words John 3.19 he doth not say so hated it that he gave his onely begotten Son into the world that whosoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life and he came not to condemn the world but that the world through him might have life but they that hate the light and do not beleeve in it are with the light condemned but thou sayest otherwise that he condemns a great part of the world and he doth not say he loves the Elect onely but God so loved the world and God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself 2 Cor. 5.19 he does not say the Elect onely and he through death hath destroyed the power of death the Devil Heb. 2.14 and thou art to be reproved for thy judgment for thy unbelief for thy righteousness for thy sin because of thy unbelief for thy judgment because the Prince of this world is judged Joh. 16. and so Christ doth not say I am the light of the Saints of the elect onely but I am the light of the world Joh. 8.12 and saith that light is come into the world and this is the condemnation of the world that light is come into to the world and men love darkness rather then it because their deeds are evil Joh. 3.19 So its unbelief that shuts out Rom. 11.20 So the gates stand open night and day and every one that doth evill hates the light and will not come to it because it will reprove him and he will not come in to the gate for he that comes to the gate comes to the light and he that comes to the light comes out of condemnation and comes to be a child of the light he that hates the light will not come into the kingdome of God And for thy saying God hath ordained a great part of the world to Hell let them repent and do all that ever he hath commanded them he that doth the things that Christ commands enters the Kingdome he that repents his mind is changed and whosoever beleeveth shal not perish and this command is general Joh. 10.28 through the whole world therefore thou with the Devils doctrine shuts up the kingdome of Heaven against others and wilt not go in thy self who saies let men repent and do all that ever they can they must go to hell when God wills not the death of a sinner but rather that he should turn from his wickedness and live Ezek. 33.11 but he is merciful and judges not as thou dost whose eyes are blinded and hands full of blood so I say whosoever repents and doth the things they are commanded they shall be saved and that which thou sayest to the contrary we conclude to be the Devils doctrine and whosoever resists the thing that is commanded that will be their condemnation but hates the light which was before the world was which lighteth every man that cometh into the world that all through him might beleeve for he that beleeves in the light shall not abide in darkness John 8.12 shall not come into condemnation shall come to be a child of light John 12.36 and they shall have the light of life and so the light is sufficient to save them and condemn them that beleeve not John 3.18.14 James 4.12 and every one that cometh into the light that they are inlightned withal such come into the election and into the Covenant of God and evill consciences thou mayest frighten them that hates the light which is their condemnation but the elect thou canst neither save nor deceive thanks be to God Christ reigns who will give to every man according to his works who doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world not beleeving is condemned and shut
Scotland and never was given back to this day it being two years since Alexander Parker was cast in Prison by order of George Monk and the Councell George Fox the younger banished and sent from Constable to Constable by order of George Monke and the Councell George Wilson George Fox the younger and Richard Ismead was banished from the Isles of Orkney by George Monks Comand and the rest of the Councel of Scotland Alexander Parker and severall others were comanded and sent out of Scotland by George Monke and the order of the Councell of Scotland Francis Howgill Thomas Robbinson and one more were apprehended at Dumfreize by the souldiers and magistrates of the town whereupon the said Souldiers rifled them and their Port-mantles for Letters but when they could not finde any to accuse them withall the Magistrates cast them into prison as Vagrants and did intend to have sent them into England again by Constables but it being proved that they were no Vagabonds the Magistrates and Souldiers was faine to let them go after all the wrong they had done them though it was to their own shame Christopher Fell was put into prison in Parsley for speaking to the Priest after the Priest had done and the people did threaten that if any Quakers did come again to their Church as they called it they would carry knives with them to stab them to which threatning John Dove who was then Lieftenant of a Troop of Horse and quartered in that town said If they did do as they said he would bring the Troop of Horse and be-set them in their house so to preserve the peace Thomas Holmes and Elizabeth his wife was shamefully abused in severall places in Scotland Richard Pinder was put in prison four dayes and in the Stocks five houres and banished out of the Land for speaking to the people in the Steeple-hous-yard of Kilbryde between the Priests Sermon time Richard Ismead for bidding James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton prove himself to be a Minister of Christ was put in prison there and from thence sent prisoner to Glascow there put in the stooks with a gagg in his Mouth and a paper pinnd on his brest and was commanded to depart the Land William Stockdall was put in prison four dayes in a hole where he could scarce get room to lye down for speaking to James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton James Lanchester and others was severall times put in prison for speaking in the streets of Hambleton John Hart Andrew Browne and John Lacoke was imprisoned severall weeks in Glascow for going to the Priests house to speake to him and the priest excommunicated them in the mean while Thomas Jack was put in prison some dayes for going to the priest to aske why he would excommunicate him the said Thomas Jack was put in prison and kept from his Trade he being a poore man and his wife lying in Child-bed James Lanchester and Robert Withers was banished out of Scotland George Were was put in prison twenty three dayes and nothing laid to his charge justly Will. Michell was put in prison above twenty nine days for taking a wife contrary to the Priests will John Robberton called Lord of Ornock publikely refused to enter Andrew Hambleton in Shawton Hill in his prossession under him because he was excommunicated by the Priest wittnesses of this Alexander Hambleton John Strandders William Gray James Finly Robert Gray Robert Smally John Robbins all five were put in prison because they could not break Christs command John Hart and Jeannett Browne was put into prison for entertaining the people of God called Quakers Three taken out of an Inn by force in the night season between the tenth and eleventh houre and stoned out of the Town these and many more whose names are not here written have suffred much by this persecuting generation of Priests whose throates are open sepulchers to swallow down the bloud of the Saints and Servants of the most high God Hugh Archballs Doctrine and Principles Priest of Stravan in Evendale These are his Principles as follow Pr THat Christ hath not enlightened every one that comes into the world Ans Which is contrary to Johns doctrine John 1.9 Pr. That Christ doth enlighten none but those that do receive him Answ Contrary to John 3 speaking of them which hath the light and are enlightened and will not come to it because the light will reprove them so he that hates the light is enlightened and will not receive Christ Pr That it is blasphemy to say that the true light doth enlighten and condemn the world Answ Contrary to John 1 9 and 3 19 that saith This is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world And this is the Condemnation of the world that light is come into the world Pr To say that which reproves for sin is from Heaven is blasphemy Answ Contrary to John 16 8 which saith it is the spirit that reproves which comes from the Father and the Son which is from Heaven Pr. He cryeth up a naturall light as Sun Moon and Stars and the light of Christ was before these was made and saith it is blasphemy to say they that did the things contayned in the Law was blessed in the deed and the Apostle said the doers of the Law was justified and said he would leave the Friends that speake to him to the mercy of the people Answ Upon which they struck bitterly with books fists and stones to destroy but that same moderate people and Souldiers stayed the Persecution John Hume Priests of Lesmahagow His Principles as followes who got into a Steeple-house and shut the door upon him thus he taught the people Pr THat which was to be known of God was manifest by the things that are created Answ Contrary to the Apostles doctrine Rom 1 19 For whatsoever may he known of God is manifest in them for the invisible things of him from the Creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made even his eternal power and God-head so that they are without excuse So with that of God in them they know the invisible things from the foundation of the world and with that they see the God-head Pr That God was to be known by the things that were made as the Sun Moon and Stars Answ But Jesus Christ said Mat 11 27 No man knowes the Father but the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him and the heathens know not God nor the Jewes had not seen his shape And his servants and workmen did throw water stones and lime and persecuted and dirtted and abused the people called Quakers and threw a pan full of water in a Souldiers neck and the said Priest never reproved them and these be the fruits of him and his own Family in stead of gravity well may the whole Parish be out of order when his own Family is thus So he is one that is reproved by the Apostles doctrine
you cannot deceive the Nations any more as ye have done Again the Priests of the Presbytery belonging to Glascow made a fast and excommunicated these persons viz. William Gray and James Findly and charged people not to let them come into their houses commanding them to have no commerse with them in buying nor selling nor borrowing nor lending and James Findly being a Smith they charged people that they should not work with him for if they did they should be excommuicated also and Henry Foreside Priest of that parish again told them that it was acted in the presbytery that if any work any longer work that pertaines to the Smiths trade with James Findly they should be excommnicants and should not parake with any of his Church-Ordinances as marriage sprinkling the children and communion of bread and wine which act several of the people murmures under but say they must obey it contrary to their minds because they cannot bear the Priests wrath Again John Burnett Priest of Kilbrid charged his hearers to have no dealings in civil affaires with these people called Quakers that were excommunicated and he summoned such to his Sessions which had eaten or drunken bought or sold with them requiring them to make publick confession before the people that they had given offence in so doing c. Again Robert Paul one of the Priests elders said he would convert James Findly and his doctrine to convert him by was this That the Scripture was the word And secondly That the Scriptures was God Thirdly That the Scriptures is the way to the Kingdom of Heaven and no other under Heaven Fourthly That the scriptures is the Holy Ghost that the Father promised that he would send that should reprove the world of sin c. Ans If he had said that the Scripture is that which testifie of these things that doctrine had bin more like to have converted for the scripture saith That the word was in the begining before scripture was and it saith that Christ is the way and there is no other Name under Heaven by which men shall be saved but by Christ it doth not say that by no other name but the scripture so that all such doctrine will pervert people from God and not convert them to God And the same Robert Paul said he would respect mens persons and that he would never be free from fin neither was it possible Answ How can thou do any other but respect persons and commit sin while thou denyes God to be God and Christ to be the way and would make the scriptures both to be God and the way to God and would make them the spirit the gift of the Father but herein thou art blind and leads none but the blind and doth pervert and not convert for thou art ignorant of that which convinceth the world of sin yet which is the Spirit of truth which the scripture testifies of but that thou must first come to know to convince thee of and to condemn thy darkness before thou do either convince or convert any unto God James Gartsore Priest said they loved God which keeped not his commandements Answ Which is contrary to the Apostles doctrine which saith If any man saith that he loves God and keeps not his Commandments he is a lyar and the truth is not in him and hereby do we know wee love God because wee keepe his commandements 1 John 2.3 4. and his Commandements are not grievous but joyous And Christ saith Why call ye me Lord and doth not the thing that I command you so that none loves God but he who keeps his Commandements and abideth in him and he that abideth in him sinneth not 1 John 3.6 Peter Kid Priest of Douglasse said Put a man in never such a close place his soule will run like a post horse Answ Thou shewest that thou art ignorant of the soul and never knew what it was nor knowes how to Minister to it nor how to watch over it But if thou had seen thine own condition thou might have said that thy vain thoughts and wandring imaginations runs to and fro in the earth and thy mind is not staid upon God and art not come to know the first principal of the the time Religion that which should stay thy mind upon God so thou art to wait to be taught and not to teach William Simerwell Priest of Petinance said that Christ died for the Elect and godly people of the world and not for the Turks and Pagans and Barbarians c. Answ Christ died for sinners according to the Scriptures Rom. 5.8 And he came to call sinners to repentance not the righteous or godly Mat. 9.13 And Christ died for all 2 Cor. 5.14 15. And is the propitiation for our sins saith the Apostle that was the believers and not for ours onely but for the sins of the whole World and the Gospel is to be preached to every Creature and remission of sins in his Name to Turks Pagans and Barbarians So herein thou hast shewed that thou was never made a Minister of the Gospel unto any neither knoweth what the Gospel is to be Ministred unto so therefore be silent and learn no more to blaspheme God and his truth as thou hast done Again Priest Simerwell saith Christ calls all men every where to repent but he will not that all should Repent Answ Here thou would make Christ a deceiver and so hath manifested thy selfe to be Antichrist what doth Christ call men to do that which he would not have them to do What is there any guile to be found in his mouth would thou go about to turne the truth of the Scriptures into a lye which saith That God wills that all men should come to the knowledge of the truth that they might be saved and thou here hath charged Christ foolishly and falsly in saying that he calls them to do that which he would not have them to do when he calls all men every where to Repent The Priest of the Presbytery belonging to Glascow summoned James Findly and William Gray to be examined by him for Heresy as they say and when they appeared they shut the door and would let none hear their examination manifesting themselves to be in darknesse and afraid to bring their deeds to the Light left their deceipts should have been laid open and reproved but they would not answere untill the doors were set open and all people to here that would come in Truth is bold and seeks no Corners They Priests affirmed that the Light which every one is enlightened withall is naturall c. Answ Here they manifest their ignorance of the life of Christ which is spirituall whose life is the light of men and this is the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world and this light is pure that Christ doth enlighten every one withall and whosoever doth truth love the Light and brings his deeds to the light to be proved and by the Light