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A78622 A raging wave foming out his own shame. Or, An answer to a book lately published by Richard Hains (a person withdrawn from) entituled, A protestation against usurpation. Wherein appears such a measure of envies bitterness heaped up, pressed down, and running over, as the like in some ages hath not appeared, by his many false accusations, and malicious insinuations, thereby to provoke (if possible) both the chief magistrate, and all men of what degree soever, to have suspicious thoughts of the innocent, easily proved to have no other fouudation [sic] but his own evil imaginations. : Wherein also the church of Southwater by him contemptuously rendered papistical in their act of withdrawment from him, is vindicated and cleared, first, by apostolical authority, secondly, by Rich. Haynes his own pen. / Written by Matthew Caffyn ... Caffyn, Matthew, 1628-1714. 1675 (1675) Wing C207A; ESTC R173317 24,862 30

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because saith he I gave him liberty to appeal to whom he would in City or Country My answer is that I gave him no other liberty to appeal as I know of but to the City and Country as aforesaid that is to any whom he would of the Country-Assemblies and then to the general assembly in the City and such liberty himself surely will not deny but that 't was always granted him nor indeed could I give him any other liberty by reason of another agreement made by the general Assembly whereby the Churches in the City were unconcerned yet if I had and the Congregation of Southwater also without which no reasonable plea can be from it to engage them to answer to such his appeal as yet we are blameless because he as yet never did make his appeal to any particular Church in the City or Countrey so that still it appears 't was his obstinacy against the regular way of appealing and not our withstanding his appeal that in any measure hindred him To conclude then as from the whole since nothing arbitrary without regard to Gods law nor any thing of contempt to his Majesties law nor any thing savouring of Popish infallibility or usurpation but rather ways of condescention appears in our proceedings first and last against R. H. the foundation pieces on which he builds his conceit that we properly may be called Papisticall Baptists whether this monstrous birth or new name of contempt may not be rationally concluded to proceed forth from the womb of envy in the beginning begotten by him who is the grand accuser of the brethren let the Reader judge Now at last R.H. having obstinatly refused our constant readiness to answer to his appeal if made to any of the Country Churches our condescending offers to be judged by a select number of the general Assembly with others in the Countrey and last of all having signified his dislike to the result and determination of the general assembly made touching the case depending between us he now proceeds to a new offer not now to appeal but to refer the matter in controversy but to such persons and upon such terms as that he well knows as at least-wise may be thought we cannot reasonably submit unto and thereby creates an occasion to make agreat out-cry in the world against us as such that will not come to the light least our deeds should be reproved oh the subtilty but alas the sinfulnes of the device The persons nominated by him to whom this matter should be referred are the Elders and Ministers of the baptized Congregations in and about London whereby in all likelihood he intended the Reader should understand that they were such persons as were in communion with us only whenas the Elders and ministers the representatives of the baptized Churches in London that are in communion with us were part of the general Assembly that have already determined the matter to his dislike as for the Elders and ministers of some other baptized Congregations in London that by reason of some difference in principles are not in communion with us and so have not usually concerned themselves with us nor we with them some of whose names are hinted at by R. H. in his 12. page namely Mr G. Mr J. with several others well known to some of us that are of the same different perswasions as for such we say we look not upon our selves in reason obliged to refer the matter unto them considered with the Congregation they belong to or others that may be allowed as assistants with them much less to particular persons pickt out of them by an envious spirit such as he paradventure thinks are most averse to and disaffected with us and in the mean time barely to allow us the liberty to choose one Country-messenger but here also by the way the Reader may further make observation of his spirit towards me for speaking of others that he envys not he calls them messengers but speaking of me whom he doth envy in the very line before he saith Apostle pa 15. thereby to raise in the Reader thoughts of admiration and disaffection though he cannot but know that I never pretended my self to be nor was thought by any others to be but in the same capacity with those called by him Messengers in divers respects beneath and much inferiour to those sent out heretofore as the Apostles of Christ But then as to the terms upon which this reference is proposed to be to which he would have us foreengage they are such also as surely becomes not a man that pretends to such ingenuity as to teach the whole Nation how they should become rich for First R. H. having chosen all the referees himself one only person out of the Countrey left to our choosing he now proposeth that those that are parties may not be allowed as witnesses which is to say in all plainness that all those that are capable of being witnesses against him shall be no witnesses for the Congregation with my self are parties and who then shall be their witnesses if as to that one clause in our charge against him in relation to that ill report and scandal occasioned by his coveting his Patent he thereby intend that we should engage such persons not under our discipline to appear at London to give evidence I would then know by what rule and by what means such a course may be taken although when done they knowing nothing of what otherwayes he stands charged with nor any thing in relation to the manner of our proceedings against him can possibly give no evidence as to those cases and therefore I say still who then shall be our witnesses Secondly R. H. allows such to be witnesses as are indifferent persons that is to say truly inrerpreted we shall have no witnesses for that no such indifferent persons not related to us were amongst us at the time of our proceedings against him to take cognisance for what and after what manner he was proceeded against but the congregation only Thirdly while thus he would at once stop all our mouths who only are capable of witnessing any thing against him he provides a way to open wide the mouths of such as shall witness for him for whatever they shall say his proposal is pa. 15. that we fore-ingage they shall be heard and credited Mark credited without the least provision made for any just acception because he saith they were never proved to be false witnesses What is this the man that tells the Reader of his great zeal after impartial justice who having not only slited the result of the general Assembly consisting of the Messengers Elders and brethren from all parts but also slited and rejected all the Churches as aforesaid in the several Countys adjacent because to use his own I was esteemed by many of them and having now sound out being much at London some that he probably thinks hath little or no esteem for me and that belong not