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A27135 A short discovery of the state of man before the fall, in the fall, and out of the fall againe : wherein is also laid open the ignorance and error of Robert Hall, preacher at Colebrooke in Buckinghamshire, and Edmund Board, of the same town, a professor ... / by W.B. Bayly, William, d. 1675. 1659 (1659) Wing B1536; ESTC R29031 10,345 9

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a virgin in due time and is yet hid to and in such as walk in darknesse and from all transgressors who love the evill and darkness rather then the light Now when Moses and Israell was in the wildernesse and when they sinned in the wildernesse there was a rock which followed them marke some thing that 's hard to ●hem that sinneth and the Apostle said the rocke which followed them was Christ consider this well with a single eye he that was given for a leader and commander and goes before his own sheepe followeth them that sinned read within and he is the ●ight which lighteth every man that cometh into the world which is to lead up to God ●gaine out of the world to the beginning before the transgression or hills was So that this one seed which was a rocke in Moses dayes to them that sinned and cal●ed a hard master by the sloathfull hath in processe of time many names though one ●ower in nature as he was called the word a child a son a stone the elect the foundation the doore the vine the lambe of God and slain from the foundation of the world and all that is in the world is the lust of the flesh the lust of the eye and the pride of ●ife 1 John 2 16 and he is called the lion of the tribe of Judah the saviour the redeemer the mediatour the way the truth the life the seed the wonderfull counsellour ●he mighty God the prince of peace the immanuell God with us the Messiah and Jesus which is called Christ all these names and more is given to the one seed now must people be pooring and imagining and contending about names letters and words which was given since the fall since transgression or be brought to the seed the word which was in the beginning the substance which was before the names and ends the names and the letters and the words and the imaginations strivings and contending about words to no profit and before transgression was who is the expresse image of the invisible God who now is come a light into the world and preacheth himselfe the light of the world John 8 12 and his witnesse declares him to be the true light that lighteth every man which cometh into the world full of grace and truth John 1 9 14. Now Reader if the blessed eye in thee be open and thou stand single in it thou wilt see some●hing in what I have written for the simple sake and for the truth sake and if thou can stand still and but see the truth then wilt thou see Robert Hal● teacher at Colebrooke and Edmund Board in blindnesse and error and with a lye in their right hand who said man in his first ●●ate before transgression who was the son of God in the image of God and bless●d of God ●ad not the holy spirit nor was in Christ but bare the earthly image and that the breath of ●●fe which God breathed into man was a created thing let the sober minded with Gods wit●esse the light in them judge whether that which made living be the created thing or that which was made living by it or whether a created thing can create and make living or whether that life in which we live move and have our being be the created or the creator let understanding judge Acts 17 28 Deut 30 20 Now this was the great error which Robert Hall charged against me viz. that I went to bring people from Christ to that state which Adam was in before the fall marke and consider and see what state Adam was in before the fall before transgression that was his fall and then see wherein I have erred if I had brought all people upon earth into that state or wherein I brings any from Christ as he hath said Adam before the fall was without sin before the fall was in the image of God in his state before the fall had dominion over the world and was the son of God in the likenesse of God before the fall was blessed of God Gen 1 Now if I had could or doe bring people to this state to be without sin to be in the image of God to be the sons of God to have dominion over the world to be blessed of God wherein is my error or what have I erred from herein or what are they erred from which are brought into this state let truth judge Now if any shall say we are erred from Christ or from God in Christ or from the spirit or from the doctrine of Christ I answer nay its he that transgresseth that abideth not in the doctrine of Christ and such hath not God 2 John 1 9 and the father son and spirit ar● one and Christ is the first and the last without sin before sin and transgression was the desire of all nations the image and son of God glorified with the father before the foundation of the world to him and into him is our desire that people should come in which seed only the blessing is Gen 22 18 Gal 3 16 1 John 3 9 which all in transgression be erred from Then it was askt Robert Hall what he went to bring people unto by his preaching He answered he went to bring them from that state marke that Now if any people were come into that state to be without sin in the image of God the sonnes of God having dominion over the world and blessed of God as at the first read Isa 1 25 26 is it no● the worke of the divell of his ministers and messengers and angells to bring them out o● this state is not this the same worke which the divell the old serpent did when he brough● man from that state in which he was without sin and blessed of God at the first when h● transgressed and was driven out of paradice peace rest joy into the earth where he becam● earthly unsavoury unrighteous and unfruitfull to God and was it a work of the serpent then to bring from that state which God blessed whose blessing unchangeably and promises are 〈◊〉 the seed only and in the seed yea and amen 2 Cor 1 20 And is it not now the work of the divell the old serpent in Robert Hall and the rest of h●● minde to bring people from that state which of God is blessed let them that fear God judg● and then see whose messenger and minister he is and whose will and work he doth and if he 〈◊〉 found doing the same work which the divell did when he brought man from his blessed sta●● into transgression then whether the son of God the light of the world will not destroy h●● work seeing for this purpose he was manifested even to destroy the works of the dive●● 1 Joh 3 8 and whether he will not 〈…〉 … ●her the wages of sin be not death and whether it be not a sin to bring people into sin from ●hat state which God doth blesse yea or nay and whether
there be any other state among men but the blessed and the cursed if not then whether he that brings from the bless d state do not bring under the curse and whether he that brings to the state blessed brings not from under the curse into peace with God into the image of God again into the resurrection and the life which was before death the curse and the fall so if it be not an error to bring people from all error into a blessed state out of transgression into the image of God to be the sons of God to have victory over the world through him who is the second Adam the light of the world the quickening spirit the first and the last then I am cleared of that which Robert Hall himself is in and the blessing of God is to him that brings into the blessed state and is in the blessed state which was before sin and transgression was the first and the last Cant 12 3 Rev 22 13 14 Mat 5 9 Also this Edmund Board said that he was through grace in a more glorious state then Adam was in before the fa●l these are to high words for a lyar and that he was sate down with Christ in heavenly places and bad peace with God and was harmlesse and innocent and without spot and that the bloud of Christ had cleansed him from all sin Something of this I may leave to his neighbours at Colebrook to judge which knoweth his words and actions and conversation whether he be without spot or cleansed from all sin yea or nay if so then he have no sin but if he commit sin then he is a lyar and of his father whose works he doth now if it were so as he hath said he is cleansed from all sin so was man without sin before the fall for sin transgression was his fall and error and if he were without sin and had no sin and blessed of God before the fall then how much do Edmund Boards state exceed this in glory who saith the bloud of Christ hath cleansed him from all sin marke to be cleansed from all sin and to have no sin what difference is here if no sin had been committed there had been no need of being cleansed from it he said he is sate down with Christ in heavenly places now Christ is the image of God 2 Co● 4 4 and man before the fall was in the image of God Gen 1 26 he said he was innocent and without spot and had peace with God now if it were as he hath said was not man in his first state before the fall innocent and without spot is not sin the spot and had he not peace with God before transgression or was he afraid or hid himself before transgression or after read within or was he blessed in peace and domin●on before or after he had transgressed search the scriptures they testify of the truth and are a true declaration Gen 1 28 Luk 1 1 So that if any could believe that this professor were in a more glorious state then man was in before transgression was yet I would have them believe the truth also and search the scriptures for they testify of him which was before sin and transgression was glorified with the father before the world began who is the alpha and omaga the first and the last he that have ears to heare let him hear and understand a right Rev 22 13 Now if this man were cleansed from all sin without spot innocent sate down with Christ in heavenly places and had peace with God as he hath said yet in the light search him out further and see if we can find him in a more glorious state then man was in before the fall before transgression was who was made in the image of God the son of God and blessed of God then in peace having dominion over all before transgression and sin was then without sin the spot and innocent so that if he be not in a more glorious state then this then say I he is a lyar for he hath said he was in a more glorious state th●n Adam was in before the fall as many other can witnesse and if he be a lyar then of him which ●ed from 〈…〉 whose work 〈…〉 people 〈…〉 ●tate in which God blessed man before transgression was then he is no● innocent nor cleansed from all sin for lying is sin and the spot so not without spot not in peace n●● blessed of God then not in so glorious a state as Adam was in before lying and transgression was bu● shut out without are dogs and all lyars Rev 22 13 14 15 Now consider all them that are in transgression are in the fall in the adulterated seed to which th● curse is and not the blessing driven from God into the earth vagabonds cast out loosing the blessing a●● that are in lying swearing pride covetousnesse wantonn●sse drunkennesse envy wrath frowardnesse corrupt communication lust whoredome idolatry deceit wildnesse prophanenesse mocking these are i● the fall lost cast out driven banished from God by transgression in the seed of evill doers which shall never be renowned but judged cond●mned plagued and tormented day and night for ever and ever if they be not converted and changed into another seed and stock Cain the envious the vagabond driven from God Ishmaell the wild man the mocker cast out Esau the prophane person the cunning hunter lost the blessing hear this all professors who are of that stock and seed whose deeds are evill hateing the light with which you be lighted and all you ungodly ones every where which lets you see all your ungodly deeds and hard speeches and your perverse and crooked wayes you have walked in it s your condemnation in that state even the light John 3 19 which would lead you out of transgression up to God again did you love it out of the world to the beginning before the world and transgression was to Christ Iesus by whom the world was made the word which was before the words and letters and before the many things and names and languages and before the sects and opinions heapes and imaginations were the light leads out of all these up to him from whence it comes who hath a name above and before every name under heaven the saviour of the soule immortall glorified with the father the prince of peace who brings out of transgression and sin out of darknesse the curse and fall again all them that follow him in the regeneration and I say again except a man be born again he cannot inherit the kingdome of God which is righteousnesse peace and joy in the holy spirit so to whom this may seeme error as it hath to some my advice to such is come to the light which is true in thy conscience and be not hasty to speake evill of things thou know not as many as hath done but first cast out the beame and let it search thy heart and try thy reines and wayes and words and in it see if thou be not yet in the fall transgression and error for all that be from the l●ght are erred from the right way Christ the light the way the truth and the life who is the first and the last the image of God and so are in darkness not able to discern things that differ because darkness hath blinded the eye 1 Ioh 2 11 These things are not published in envy to any man upon earth but in true love to the seed and truth of God and for the sake of the simple who are tossed up and down with every winde of doctrine that they may come to the word which was in the begining which the true light comes from and in it be established By William Bayly Kingston upon Thames the 24th of the 4th moneth 59 London Printed the 6th moneth for Mary Westwood 1659.