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A67026 The true originall of the soule proving both by divine and naturall reason, that the production of mans soule is neither by creation nor propagation, but a certain meane way between both : wherein the doctrine of originall sinne, and the purity of Christs incarnation, is also more fully cleared then hath been heretofore published / by H.W. B.D. Woolnor, Henry, d. ca. 1640.; Palmer, Elias. 1641 (1641) Wing W3526; ESTC R15696 103,271 336

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opinion_n of_o origen_n be_v just_o hiss_v out_o long_o ago_o so_o that_o though_o no_o soul_n be_v produce_v by_o the_o body_n yet_o no_o soul_n be_v produce_v without_o it_o second_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v think_v that_o any_o soul_n be_v produce_v by_o the_o body_n otherwise_o then_o by_o a_o assist_a cause_n or_o causa_fw-la sine_fw-la qua_fw-la non_fw-la whether_o we_o consider_v the_o body_n generate_a or_o generate_v but_o this_o i_o say_v that_o the_o soul_n be_v not_o bring_v forth_o without_o the_o seed_n of_o the_o parent_n and_o yet_o not_o by_o that_o as_o it_o be_v corporal_a only_a but_o as_o there_o be_v soule-seede_n or_o rather_o spiritual_a power_n in_o it_o and_o thus_o the_o soul_n shall_v be_v no_o less_o able_a to_o subsist_v by_o itself_o although_o it_o be_v not_o propagate_v without_o the_o body_n than_o a_o child_n shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o live_v after_o the_o death_n of_o his_o parent_n by_o who_o it_o be_v bring_v forth_o into_o the_o world_n and_o as_o it_o be_v not_o generate_v so_o neither_o can_v it_o be_v corrupt_v by_o the_o body_n last_o it_o can_v be_v say_v proper_o that_o the_o soul_n do_v subsist_v by_o itself_o alone_o so_o long_o as_o it_o be_v unite_v to_o the_o body_n for_o according_a to_o the_o course_n of_o nature_n it_o can_v do_v so_o but_o after_o the_o death_n of_o the_o body_n for_o as_o much_o as_o it_o be_v not_o make_v of_o mortal_a seed_n nor_o produce_v mere_o by_o the_o power_n of_o nature_n and_o therefore_o can_v die_v it_o can_v do_v otherwise_o but_o must_v but_o must_v of_o necessity_n subsist_v by_o itself_o alone_o without_o the_o body_n body_n 6._o it_o can_v be_v hurt_v by_o the_o body_n of_o the_o same_o kind_n be_v that_o objection_n that_o as_o the_o body_n can_v corrupt_v or_o hurt_v the_o soul_n so_o much_o less_o can_v the_o soul_n be_v propagate_v by_o the_o body_n for_o if_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v the_o soul_n be_v infect_v with_o sin_n by_o the_o body_n because_o that_o which_o be_v corporeal_a can_v work_v upon_o that_o which_o be_v incorporeal_a much_o more_o absurd_a be_v it_o that_o the_o soul_n shall_v be_v generate_v by_o the_o body_n but_o this_o also_o fall_v beside_o without_o hurt_v for_o though_o the_o soul_n can_v be_v generate_v of_o or_o by_o the_o body_n which_o i_o also_o confident_o affirm_v yet_o this_o be_v no_o impediment_n why_o it_o can_v be_v produce_v out_o of_o the_o soul_n by_o the_o efficient_a power_n of_o god_n to_o which_o the_o body_n also_o may_v be_v a_o instrumental_a cause_n in_o this_o as_o well_o as_o it_o be_v in_o all_o other_o ordinary_a action_n of_o the_o soul_n in-organical_o 7._o it_o work_v in-organical_o last_o it_o be_v object_v that_o see_v the_o proper_a action_n of_o the_o soul_n as_o to_o understand_v and_o will_v be_v perform_v without_o any_o help_n of_o the_o body_n so_o also_o be_v the_o original_n be_v of_o it_o for_o such_o as_o the_o operation_n of_o any_o thing_n be_v such_o be_v the_o essence_n and_o contrary_o as_o philosophy_n teach_v but_o first_o it_o may_v be_v doubt_v whether_o any_o action_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v perform_v without_o any_o help_n at_o all_o from_o the_o body_n so_o long_o as_o the_o union_n last_v second_o for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o soul_n ordinary_o do_v neither_o understand_v nor_o will_n without_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o animal_n spirit_n it_o follow_v according_a to_o the_o former_a rule_n that_o by_o the_o course_n of_o nature_n neither_o be_v the_o original_n without_o some_o operation_n of_o the_o body_n and_o whereas_o it_o be_v say_v the_o mind_n itself_o must_v be_v free_a from_o all_o matter_n that_o it_o may_v be_v the_o better_a able_a to_o discern_v the_o same_o as_o the_o eye_n judge_v of_o colour_n this_o may_v proceed_v not_o so_o much_o from_o the_o vacuity_n of_o matter_n as_o the_o equal_a respect_n it_o have_v to_o all_o matter_n for_o be_v the_o perfection_n of_o this_o mundane_a frame_n it_o have_v the_o idea_n of_o all_o nature_n in_o it_o as_o the_o eye_n do_v represent_v all_o colour_n but_o as_o the_o agent_n be_v more_o noble_a than_o the_o patient_a though_o proportion_v to_o it_o so_o be_v the_o soul_n above_o all_o matter_n and_o yet_o agree_v with_o it_o answerable_a whereunto_o the_o original_n according_a to_o the_o former_a rule_n must_v needs_o be_v more_o transcendent_a than_o the_o common_a course_n of_o generation_n last_o all_o those_o argument_n be_v more_o forcible_a to_o prove_v that_o the_o soul_n can_v be_v unite_v with_o the_o body_n and_o be_v manifest_o false_a in_o that_o they_o have_v small_a probability_n of_o truth_n in_o this_o chapter_n ix_o whether_o the_o loss_n of_o seed_n be_v the_o loss_n of_o soul_n itself_o objection_n from_o propagation_n itself_o but_o the_o most_o forcible_a argument_n and_o which_o be_v indeed_o account_v impossible_a to_o be_v overcome_v be_v those_o which_o be_v take_v from_o the_o course_n of_o nature_n in_o propagation_n itself_o whether_o we_o consider_v the_o matter_n or_o manner_n of_o it_o the_o matter_n conceive_v or_o the_o manner_n of_o conception_n as_o first_o because_o many_o soul_n must_v be_v lose_v because_o much_o seed_n be_v second_o because_o the_o soul_n must_v come_v from_o two_o soul_n three_o the_o parent_n must_v loose_v part_n of_o their_o soul_n last_o touch_v the_o manner_n of_o conception_n if_o may_v well_o be_v question_v how_o this_o doctrine_n can_v stand_v with_o the_o time_n of_o conception_n womb_n in_o one_o &_o the_o same_o womb_n the_o imperfect_a beginning_n and_o the_o variety_n of_o conception_n in_o the_o same_o womb_n all_o which_o seem_v to_o take_v away_o all_o power_n from_o man_n for_o have_v any_o part_n in_o the_o propagation_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o these_o be_v the_o chief_a difficulty_n if_o they_o may_v be_v well_o clear_v i_o doubt_v not_o but_o this_o doctrine_n will_v easy_o be_v receive_v soul_n 1._o obj._n about_o the_o loss_n of_o soul_n first_o therefore_o to_o begin_v with_o the_o first_o which_o concern_v the_o loss_n of_o seed_n which_o although_o it_o may_v seem_v difficult_a at_o the_o first_o yet_o i_o trust_v may_v receive_v a_o reasonable_a answer_n for_o the_o adversary_n of_o this_o doctrine_n do_v thus_o reason_v against_o it_o if_o the_o soul_n be_v propagate_v by_o the_o seed_n what_o shall_v become_v of_o so_o much_o seed_n as_o be_v lose_v either_o in_o sleep_n or_o by_o such_o dishonest_a mean_n 38.9_o gen._n 38.9_o as_o er_fw-mi and_o o●an_v practise_v or_o which_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o womb_n never_o come_v to_o conception_n what_o say_v they_o shall_v so_o many_o soul_n be_v lose_v or_o shall_v they_o be_v choke_v in_o the_o womb_n or_o shall_v they_o remain_v alone_o without_o body_n see_v it_o be_v certain_a they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v account_v among_o the_o number_n of_o man_n in_o a_o word_n because_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o much_o seed_n pass_v from_o man_n which_o never_o come_v to_o 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