of deceit we deny but a form of sound words the Scripture doth justifie being spoken by the Spirit of truth which we own and now the time is come that deceivers and such as you are cannot endure sound Doctrine but utters your folly to make your selves manifest and what generation you are of even of him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish 2 Thes 2. 2 Pet. 2. Rep. I leave all this with the former to the judgement of the intelligent Reader and of the righteous Lord onely I advertise that he may refer in these words to Section 26. as to this in hand and then by our forms of deceit he meaneth our putting off the Hat and against that we must set their putting off the Hat-band and by their form of sound words he must be construed of Thou and Thee and I still leave it to the Lords judgement where deceit is harbored and acted where Humility and Love is lodged and at what Sign it dwells good men may in time understand by Scripture-marks this for one 1 Cor. 11. 16. If any man seem to be contentious we have no such custom neither the Churches of God 13. Head of Contradiction to themselves Concerning Ordinances Section 29. I Noted here what they pretend to own viz. Praying in families with reading and instructing of Children and teaching according to the Apostles Doctrine but contradict it in their giving over the course of Family-prayer ordinarily Morning and Evening and at Meals nor do I hear they teach Children but what leads them to an imitation of their new forms R. F. * Page 30. as before asketh me touching that which they say they own And art thou offended at this Rep. 1. I am not offended at the practice pretended but at the bare pretence of the practice viz. at saying and not doing and at back-slidings from the old and good ways of the Lord. 2. I am offended at R. F. his denying as before our raising Points Reasons Vses Motives and Tryals from the words of Scripture and yet justifying their teaching according to the Apostles Doctrine for sure if all they reach be according thereunto it will go near to fall under some of those heads viz. of Motives Tryals Points Reasons or Vses and if they so teach one another in their families why do they condemn us for teaching after that maner in the publique assemblies 3. I am offended at R. F. his subtilty or ignorant simplicity all along that he puts off his Reader with answer to one part of the Contradiction but not to the other as in what followeth I observed they pretend to own all that is Gods Baptism the Lords Supper Church-fellowship Sabbaths c. but as I said 't is in a sense contradictious to the light that ever they had have or can have truly from Scripture This man speaks not to the latter part of the charge but onely to the former We do own that which is Gods free love and mercy to us and all that is Gods as Baptism the Lords Supper Church-fellowship Sabbath Rep. Here are fair words but what the sense and meaning of them is and how contradictious to Scripture and the ordinary use of the terms and phrases we may gather from what hath passed before See Part 1. Sect. 3. 8. 1. All Water-Baptism is dis-owned by them and he that saith he owneth Scripture-Baptism which comprehends the sign and the thing signified and doth dis-own all Water-Baptism he doth wittingly or unwittingly contradict himself 2. The Lords instituted Bread and Wine Supper they deny as was shewed Part 1. Sect. 39. contrary to the Scripture And he that saith he owneth all that is Gods and dis-owneth Bread and Wine as instituted by Jesus Christ to be used by the Churches as the outward visible sign and memorial of the Lords death to his second coming is beside himself as well as without his Book 3. All forms of Church-fellowship but their own they deny and that can be no true Church-fellowship of theirs which dis-own the Scriptures from being the word of God and rule of their fellowship and of their Church 4. As for a day of Rest one day in seven it was a mercy The Sabbath a mercy and a duty of God to Israel of old that he made known unto them his holy Sabbath Nehem. 9. 14. and I think it is a mercy still and a pledge of love that Gods holy Sabbath exchanged since Christs resurrection from the seventh to the first day of the week hath not ceased in any Age for the standing Rule and Law of the fourth Commandment obligeth to one day in seven whether the last or the first of the seven it is a mercy we have either but doth R. F. and his fellows own the outward part or rest of the Sabbath according to Gods command not that I finde in any of their writings hear one for all * Several papers pag. 19. The worlds Sabbath is without them and they have no rest but in a form without The Saints Sabbath is within where Christ is come to give them rest and they are ceased from their own works 5. It is the mercy and love of God to give a heart to look more into the inside of Ordinances then upon the outside but he that is unfaithful in the least is unjust also in much and he that breaks the least of God Commandments as to the outward part of an Ordinance and teach men so shall be called or reckoned the least in the kingdom of heaven 14. Head of their Self-contradiction Concerning Speech and Silence Section 30. THey sit silent for an hour or half or quarter and when others in though not of their company speak freely they check it as I observed with this or the like saying In the multitude of words there cannot want sin and yet they are in their Letters and Pamphlets full of tautologies c. R. F. passeth this Section over with deep silence but in this Pamphlet he hath verified the charge 1. Of multiloquious needless repetitions where he thinks Sect. 31 32. to vindicate the Scriptures by frequent and impertinent quotation of them And 2. Of Silence in many passages where it was necessary he should have vindicated himself and his Brethren from their own Contradictions 15. Head of their Self-contradiction Concerning Elders Section 31. THis Section also he lets pass as having nothing to say where I noted J. Naylers interfering viz. The ordaining of Elders was not by man and yet it was by the Spirit of God in the Apostles the Spirit made use of them then as he did of the Brethrens and Churches suffrages and prayers To grant an use was made of men in the call of Elders and yet to deny the Call was given of God by man is to speak Daggers and Contradictions as all along I have cleared it in fore-mentioned instances 16. Head of their Self-contradiction
all sin nor half the branches of it and Judgement is far from coming forth into victory till Christ brings it forth not onely by Gospel-conviction which is far beyond and above the conviction of a meer natural conscience but by Gospel-sanctification and by his second writing of the Law not in old stony hearts but in new and softned hearts But if natural conscience be so potent to be victorious at last why do they call every man in his first state a beast his reason corrupt but to manifest their Self-confusions Again he speaks of sin being condemned in the flesh a Scripture-expression Rom. 8. 3. used by the Apostle to set Rom. 8. 3. cleared forth Christs condemning sin in his own flesh putting of it out of office and power to condemn believers by his suffering Christs condemning sin in his flesh far beyond the conscience condemnation of sin of the punishment of their sin in that flesh of his yea fulfilling the Law for them in the same flesh Hence no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus but this is another kinde of condemning sin then what comes meerly by and from a natural conscience for that 1. Doth but condemn sin in part not all sin not original sin not unbelief c. 2. By way of discovery not by way of satisfaction for sin and of justification from guilt as is Christs maner of condemning sin 3. Natural conscience is never victorious as to deliverance of a soul from the state of sin though it be never so far obeyed but Christs condemning sin in his own humanity assumed to that end is victorious both by merit with God and by application in the conscience of a believer to stop its own and Satans accusations and throughout the Saint to set up reigning holiness in him to prevail over corruption by degrees in the state of a new creature Lastly The Apostles words 1 Tim. 5. 24. of some mens sins going before-hand to Judgement others coming after 1 â—im 5. 24. vindicated are used to another purpose as appeareth from ver 20. concerning Gospel and Church-offences and offenders some mens sins are discovered before-hand these the Church may judge others are not disclosed these God will judge It is well that R. F. grants a Judgement to come I wish he could consider it better and judge no man so deeply as he doth me before the time reckoning me with the wicked who indeed will finde it to be a day of torment for he that judgeth now shall himself be judged at that day and he that will shew no mercy in judging others shall then have judgement without mercy to his little ease joy or rejoycing The second passage which R. F. * Page 27. undertakes to defend is that of John Cam Every man in his first birth and state may see himself to be natural but is not able to judge of the things of God This is contradictious in the first part of it to Ben. Nicholson who said Every man in his first state is a beast for then he can reflect upon himself and judge of his state before God no more then a beast And the second part of it is contradictious to the first for if every man in his first birth may see himself to be natural guilty liable to sin and the curse before God then he may judge something of the things of God but that is denied why then is the other affirmed but that the man fought with himself in the dark R. F. his defence is 1. By railing and falshood Let that Book Particulars concerning the Law by J. Cam be a witness to the truth against thy ignorance and sottishness that sees thy corruptions and pleads for them Rep. This I pass by with prayer that the Lord may rebuke and remit him 2. By a truth and a falshood together The light which doth discover the natural corruptions is not natural as thou says but it is spiritual Here is a truth in Scripture-sense not in his meaning that the light which discovers natural corruption is spiritual but a falshood mixt with it that I said it was natural This will no where be found in my former or this present piece for I every where deny the natural light of every man to be able to discover a mans corrupt state Reason cannot reach the breadth nor fathom the depth of this fallen condition But let R. F. compare his own words last spoken with John Cam's and consider if one doth not clash with the other His brother saith Every man in his first birth may see himself to be natural Himself saith The light which doth discover natural corruptions is not natural but spiritual Now I ask Is it by the light of the first birth as in the first birth that every man may see himself to be natural then that light is either natural or spiritual It is not natural saith R. F. It is in the first birth saith J. Cam either these men do agree or not if they do agree with themselves it is more then we can make out by their words onely I finde what their sense is of the word spiritual not after the Scripture sense The Scripture meaneth by spiritual that which is born of the Spirit by spiritual light the light of the new or second birth but these men understand by spiritual light that which comes with the first birth a light in the soul of every man We know saith James Nayler * Antichrist in man by J. Nayler p 7 8 there is a light in spirit that testifies of Christ before Christ be known in the Creature this light is that which the Gentiles had whereby saith he they became a law unto themselves and were Jews in spirit whose praise was of God and not of men This light led them to shew the works of that Law God had written in their hearts their conscience bearing witness and excusing them in the day when God shall judge the world by his Gospel This light and the fruits of it he concludes will stand at the day of judgement praised of God but not of men Which magnifying expressions of the Heathens light are disparaged by what * Ben. Nicholson Returns to a Letter p 16. another of them saith viz. upon Adams fall pure reason was destroyed and corrupt reason took place as it doth this day in every natural man And if this man speaks the truth as he doth the other speaks what is false 1. In that he boldly affirmeth the Gentiles light made them Jews in spirit the Apostle Rom. 2. 29. hath no Rom. 2. 29. rescued such meaning He describeth a Jew in spirit to be one who is circumcised in heart or who hath the circumcision of the heart whose praise is not of men but of God Heart-circumcision and the Gentiles light are two things vastly discrepant the Gentiles light never attained to the mystery of heart-circumcision Fond men that write and speak after this maner
those that follow after as many as have spoken have likewise foretold of these days the days of the New Testament and the things of Christ Acts 3. 24. As God spake by the mouth of his holy Prophets which have been since the world began Luke 1. 70. There is no contradiction between the Old Testament and the New in the sense I have given therefore none in my collection from Luke 16. That Christ asserts the Scriptures to be a standing rule 3. Reason It crosseth many Scriptures as Ephes 5. 1. Rom. 8. 14. 2 Cor. 3. 17. Rep. Not one of these nor any other for the Scripture cannot doth not contradict it self how ever it seems so to them that understand them not and have not will or skill to clear the harmony The first Scripture alledged Ephes 5. 1. requires that Ephes 5. 1. opened Christians be followers of God as dear children Dear children of God will minde their Fathers will in Moses and the Prophets and if we be followers of God we must follow him in his whole written word as it is plain in the Old or as it is explained and cleared in the Books of the New Testament The second Scripture Rom. 8. 14. hath nothing against Rom 8. 14. vindicated The Spirit leads by his Letter the Scripture rule however R. F. improveth it to his purpose thus They that follow him in the Gospel are led by his Spirit and that is not the Letter for although the Letter is not the Spirit yet the Letter is the Spirits Letter and they that follow God in the Gospel do and dare not upon the hazard of disobedience to their Father but follow him in the Spirits written Gospel seeing the Spirits inward leading and guidance is to the same obedience which the Scripture leads unto The Spirit leads by and to the Scripture never from it as the Spirit in Seducers doth The third Scripture 2 Cor. 3. 17. God is that Spirit 2 Cor. 3. 17. vindicated what then Then the Spirits Letter is Gods Letter I can conclude Or thus The written word of the Spirit is the very written word of God and again God that gave the Letter gives the Spirit with it and by it with it even to those that yet are unbelieving and are ever resisting the Spirit speaking in it and from it Nehem. 9. 20. Acts 7. 51. By it to those whom he effectually preventeth and calleth home to himself or buildeth up Acts 8. 35. Acts 10. 34. with 44. But R. F. his drift in quoting the words above to make people believe that because God or the Lord is that Spirit as saith that Scripture therefore that and all the rest of the Scripture is not a standing rule which follows as much as if it should be said God is the Lord therefore the creature is not his creature I shall for his learning and better improvement of that Text turn the edge of his allegation against himself If that Scripture saith The Lord is that Spirit then that Scripture is the rule for me and him also to believe the Lord is that Spirit and if that Scripture be not fallen out of its authority it is a standing rule for us so to believe but that Scripture says as much and R. F. runs to the authority of it as yet in force therefore that Scripture is a standing rule for the faith of that truth and consequently other Scriptures are the rule for other truths and all Scripture for all truth what we are to believe and what to practise A fourth Argument seems to be drawn from current experience But we follow God who are guided by the Spirit and that is our guide and rule to wit the Spirit of truth Rep. 1. Whose experience is this whom means he by we If onely himself and his companions who deny the Scriptures to be a rule then I deny they are guided by the Spirit of God who breathing forth the Scriptures and guiding men to write them guides men to read hear believe and obey them as their rule If by we he means all sober Saints and godly conscientious Readers not so in his opinion but really so and if he meaneth by the Spirit the Spirit of God then I appeal to all such and all the Saints who love the truth in sincerity whether they have the Spirit for their guide without or not rather with and by the Scriptures The Spirit indeed is promised to be the Saints guide John 16. 13. but it is neither there said although John 16. 13. vindicated R. F. affirms it That Christ appointed him to be the rule nor is he properly the rule but the giver of the rule and the guide unto and by the rule The schoolmaster which sets the copy is not the copy but he guides the hand of the scholar to write after the copy in like maner the Spirit of God appoints the Scripture to be written for a rule and guides the Saints to believe and live according to it Yet would R. F. have the force of a fifth Reason lie in these words Since he promised it as if the Scripture was not a rule since the Spirit was promised as well as before Surely if it was a rule before it is still the same rule as it is the same Scripture And the promise of the Spirit in a larger measure doth not in the least hinder the Scripture from being a rule but the larger measures of the Spirit help towards the understanding of that rule for a clearer and more Gospel-like administration and application 6. Reason If thou wouldst have the Letter to be the rule and Moses and the Prophets onely then thou wouldst not have Christ and the Apostles to be followed according to 1 Cor. 11. 1. Rep. 1. I used not the word onely although the Books of Moses and the Prophets when Christ referred to them Luke 16. were the onely Scriptures extant and a sufficient rule for the present 2. When Christ by his Spirit in the Apostles enlarged the Scriptures he altered not the rule for the substance of it Moses and Christ the Prophets and Apostles are so to be followed that he who leaves the one will forsake the other and he that loves the one will cleave to the other Had ye believed Moses saith Christ ye would have believed me for he wrote of me but if ye believe not his writings how shall ye believe my words John 5. 46 47. And such is the harmony of the Apostles with Moses and the Prophets that the one preached and consequently wrote no other things then what the other did say should come that Christ should suffer c. Acts 26. 22 23. What if the new Testament was written after the Old the matter contained in both is of the same concernment to believers as unbelievers What if Paul gives that godly exhortation Be ye 1 Cor. 11. 1. vindicated followers of me even as I am of Christ is Christ divided Is not Christ
hath spoken all his sense under the words which he directed holy men to express his minde by and therefore without going forth of Scripture to any private spirit the true and sure interpretation of Scripture may be obtained which if first we know and be perswaded of we may confidently be perswaded still to take heed thereunto as unto a more sure word and as a help in all our darknesses c. But J. Nayler thinks this a blinde absurdity For saith Discovery c. pag. 30. he if the Testimony of the old Prophets was a more sure word then that which Peter heard from the mouth of God then it must needs follow that the Testimony of the old Prophets who spoke but darkly of Christ and did not see his day must be a more sure Testimony then the Apostles who were eye-witnesses and the words of Books a more sure word then the voice that came from heaven which was the immediate voice of God Rep. All this grant but the testimony of Prophetical Writings to be Gods and the words of Scripture-books to be Gods books and his words may and doth follow without any absurdity at all For 1. Although the Apostles preaching was as infallibly true as the Prophets writings in themselves yet as to men and as to the Jew first and then to the Gentile and in respect of our capacity our reception and retention of truth the word of the Prophets writings was and is still more sure yea the Apostles writings such as the holy Spirit moved them to write and hath ordered to be the Scripture of the New Testament are in the forenamed respect a more sure word then their preachings hence it is that Paul perswaded the Jews Acts 28. 23. both out of the law of Moses and out of the Prophets 2. Although Gods immediate voice from heaven hath as infallible certainty as when he orders his minde to be written yet in respect of our frailty and the above-mentioned cases his written word is more sure to us and we have it so left upon record for our constant use Let not then J. Nayler * Discovery c. as above pag. 30. mislead the simple with great swelling words of vanity concerning our blindness about the Spirit of prophecy as the sure word and testimony of Jesus excluding thereby the Spirit from the Scriptures and the Scriptures from being the word of Prophecy and the sure Testimony of Jesus For Jesus Christ appointed John to write because the words he sent and signified to him by the Angel were true and faithful And when the Angel observed what John was about viz. to worship him Rev. 19. 10. he forbad Rev. 19 10. vindicated him upon two Reasons 1. He was his fellow-servant and of the brethren that have the testimony of Jesus 2. The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy And John having the Testimony of Jesus as well as the Angel though not so immediately he had the Spirit of Prophecy so have all they who have the true sense of Scripture and of Johns Revelation though they received it not by the Angel as John did because the Spirit was with John as with others when he wrote and he that hath an Rev. 3. last ear is commanded to hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches in that written word with the rest of the Scripture The Testimony of Jesus immediately given and received is hath in it and carrieth with it the Spirit of Prophecy as that Testimony which is immediately given and received All they that call off from the mediate Testimony may boast of the immediate but do not discover it Let not J. Nayler * Sauls errand to Damascus pag. 33. again upbraid us with his ignorant question Where readest thou in the Scriptures of a written Word It is no more then if he had said Where readest thou in the Scriptures of the Scriptures Let not J. Parnel * Christ exalted c. p 3. further revile us with doting upon the Scriptures without with our dark mindes when as God hath appointed the voices of the Prophets which are read * Acts 13 27. and preached upon with the voices of the Apostles every Sabbath day as a light shining in a dark place and as a more sure word for our daily use then his immediate voice from heaven Let him not heap up Scriptures to press the Scriptures to death Let him not make the world believe we would take the Authority from Christ because we own Christs Authority in the Scriptures and acknowledge them as instrumental unto Christs saving enlightning of us guiding quickning ruling of us Let him beware of despising Scripture lest he sin more wilfully after his first conviction by the Scripture He that would set Christ upon his throne as he pretends to do must not take the Scepter the Scriptures and what is preached faithfully from thence out of his hand This doth J. Parnel with R. F. and that generation of men who have learned as they imagine beyond the Scripture-Light and need neither man nor Scripture to teach them Yet I will unteach their misinterpretations of Scripture as they fall in my way that people may not further be deluded but undeceived In that one sheet of Paper * Christ exalted c. J. Parnel hath put the Conceptions and Imaginations of his own heart upon ten places of Scripture as he hath disparaged all the Scripture at once in more then one passage Christ he saith Page 1. was that Lamp to Davids feet Psalm 119. 105. Psal 119. 105 vindicated and that Light unto his paths Christ indeed gave that word to David which was his Lamp and Light but David speaks not there of Christs Person but of his Doctrine which the holy Ghost by his pen giveth several titles unto throughout the Psalm The word which David speaks of is called and was as called the Law of the Lord his Precepts or Commandments Statutes Testimonies and Judgements Christs person is not the Law of the Lord c. besides what ver 105. is in the singular number thy word is ver 103 57 139. in the plural number thy words Christs person is not two or many but one David therefore is commending that which J. P. is disparaging the written and declarative word of God Again Page 2. he applieth Jer. 20. 9. and 23. 29. in the like maner to Christs person when as the Section 6. Jer. 20. 9. and 23. 19. vindicated Prophet speaks of Christs Doctrine His word or message of Doctrine which God gave me to deliver was in my heart as a burning fire c. which I could no longer forbear from declaring it And Is not my word like as a fire saith the Lord and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces By Gods word here is meant Gods saithful Doctrine which must be spoken faithfully ver 28. then it hath the power of a purging fire and of a battering hammer
the sphere of its activity to effect From the Scripture Rom. 7. 7. which I briefly pointed at as contradicted by J. N. and others of this opinion I had not known lust except the law had said Thou shalt not covet I hinted an Argument which I shall now give forth in form That which will not so much as discover the fall will not though own'd and obeyed lead out of the fall But the light given to every man will not so much as discover the fall Therefore it will not though own'd and obeyed lead out of the fall The first proposition I thus confirm There is no delivery without a discovery The other thus Pauls light did not discover the fall nor other mens light which they have from their coming into the world did never will never so much as discover the fall In the fall will be found Adams sin all mens sinning in him their being born in the guilt of that sin in the want of Gods image and in the roots of all actual sin What a stranger was Paul in his Pharisaism to all these Discoveries who knew not the least lusting of the heart to be sin till he was enlightned by the Spirit into the commandment of the written Law which saith Thou shalt not lust the same ignorance is in every man notwithstanding their in-bred light concerning in-bred lust and original corruption till by the light of the same commandment the Spirit of conviction brings it home to his heart With what an impudent evasion doth R. F. entertain his Reader by telling him that J. Nayler witnesseth with Christ who is the true light and such as obey the light and follow Christ they are led thereby out of the fall Rep. 1. James Nayler saith not such as obey Christ but such as obey it he speaks of the Light-given and its power 2. R. F. confounds the Light-given and the Light-giver as often elswhere together and yet attributes the leading out of the fall to it the Light-given rather then to Christ the Light-giver 3. Should he express himself more plainly and say Christ thereby that is by the Light given to every man as it is obeyed and himself is followed doth lead out of the fall yet would he speak short of the truth and contrary to Scripture For 1. The Scripture speaks not of such a way whereby Christ led any man out of the Fall before the Scriptures were given but onely of the way of offering Typical Sacrifices and by the promise of Christ-mediator 2. The same way he hath chalked out in and by the Scriptures since they were given all along the Old Testament and when Christs sacrifice typed out and promised was once exhibited by his own blood He that was the way yesterday is the same to day and for ever while the world standeth to lead men out of the fall and to raise them up to communion with the Father 3. Although R. F. addes they were saved by him and that is not contrary to Scripture it will not save his judgement from error nor his writing from contradiction if he saith or thinketh that Christ ever saved any man by the meer light which as God he giveth to every man No man ever was or will be saved by his best obedience yielded to the light which every man comes with into the world Every man and onely such as through grace have obeyed and shall follow Christ according as he is revealed in the Scripture is and shall be saved What a loud calumny is that which R. F. hath cast upon me at the foot of his tenth Page Thou contradicts and so sins against Scripture and against Christ that calls him a natural light Rep. I have no such words had no such meaning nor can it be pickt out of what I have any where spoken Although Christ as he is God as every where I express or intend it giveth to every man that which is but natural light yet is not he therefore a natural light For 1. He and his works are not the same He who is the divine spiritual supernatural Being giveth to every creature its proper nature and being and is incomprehensibly above them He is indeed his own nature and his own most simple essence and being present with all beings in created nature and yet not confounded or mixed with created natural beings or lights irrational or rational 2. Albeit as the God of created-nature he giveth that nature life and light of Reason to all men yet as Mediator he giveth a distinct spiritual excelling light to lead men out of the fall partly from the whole written Law How Christ leads men out of the fall and the discovery of its spiritualness reaching the motions of the heart to shew men the fall which prepares for a delivery partly from the Gospel which shews himself the onely effectual way whereby men may come out of their lapsed condition as they are taught and drawn of the Father to believe in him who hath satisfied and merited for a certain number of sinners their deliverance and who applies that merited deliverance by remission of sins and by regeneration and by both a translation out of the power of darkness which all men with their best natural light are under into his own kingdom of saving light and life But to proceed In this Section I had hinted another Argument against the power of natural light given to every man to lead him out of the fall by way of question R. F. takes it up and me up after this maner To manifest thy blindeness and ignorance of the Scriptures thou says Where is there any promise in Scripture of spiritual and saving Light to lead man out of the fall and out of his natural estate Rep. Here like Satan the father of lyes I will not say he is his son he leaveth out part of the question My words Pag. 10. are these Let a man use his common natural light and moral gifts to the utmost where is any promise in Scripture of spiritual saving light and grace annexed to lead him out of the fall or out of his natural state The word annexed he leaves out in the reciting of my words which refers to the good use of natural light and moral gifts and in a shifting way he answereth If there were no promise of spiritual saving light to lead out of the fall man might continue in it and under the curse Rep. 1. Take this passage by it self 't is very good and one of the best that hath dropt from R. F. his pen. But 2. It is produced as an answer to my question and will The light of a promise leads out of the fall prove rather a knife to cut the throat of these mens opinion and an Argument for what we assert That It is the light of a promise by R. F. his concession which shall lead men out of the fall But in the light which every man hath say I and thousands more there
who seem not to deny the authority of the holy Scriptures yet would have it meant of Christ for this reason because the word of God ver 12. is in the 13. ver described as a person in his sight and the eyes of him with whom we have to do Now this is but their mistake for albeit Christ in person is the living word yet it is the Apostles scope to gain honor to him by gaining honor to the declarative word which being Christs word spoken by him written by the inspiration of his Spirit and preached accordingly is therefore quick and lively powerful and piercing because it is his word and the words of the 13. ver are not a description of Christs person as he is the living word nor of the declarative word spoken written preached but of God the Father Son and holy Ghost who being the living God his declarative word is like himself and from the knowledge of his nature we may know what his word is If God hath an all-seeing eye his word hath an all-searching power He puts not one but two edges upon this sword of his Spirit Ephes 6. 17. and makes it sharp and piercing for conversion or conviction at least and for such ends as he hath intended by his word and the ministery of it to effect and work out therefore the words of ver 13. his and him with whom must be referred to God ver 12. distinguished into Father Son and Spirit i. e. to all three or any of the three Let sinners in whom sin reigns and Saints in whom sin remains look to it for God by his Scripture-word is able to finde them out even them that pretend to present perfection and have it not for whom these words speak nothing at all Should we take God ver 12. not onely at large and personally for any of the three but strictly for Christs person yet we must take the word to be as I have said the word declarative and read it thus The word of Christ is quick or lively c. We cannot read it out of the Greek the word-Christ nor the living word is lively nor the living word is powerful but as 't is read in our new Translation The word of God is quick and powerful or as in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Geneva Translation The word of God is lively and mighty in operation that is as their Note is The Doctrine of God is so and so hath lively and mighty effects why because it is Gods Doctrine Gods Word Gods Scripture if it be but his Letter or outward ministery it is Christs two-edged sword which serveth unto his design of searching hearts of comforting the believer of cutting off and excluding the unbeliever from rest But this place of Scripture will not serve R. F. his design hitherto 2. Let us observe his application and inference Here the ground of sin is by the living word shaken at the roots and rooted out of such before their bodies and souls part asunder Rep. 1. Granting it is divine power that makes efficacious Mis-application the divine truths of the Scripture and that the Spirit doth by conviction shake a sinner at the very heart-root and by conversion shake yea kill sin at the roots for sound conversion is more then lopping of branches or moral restraints the best fruits of Quakerism yet is not all sin at first conversion nor all the life time extirpated or pluckt up absolutely totally and as perfectly as at death and if R. F. proves not this from the place as he doth not but onely say it he had better never have quoted it Nay he dare not affirm it in plain words but obscure The ground of sin c. What makes he the ground of sin If he meaneth the subject where sin dwelleth and is rooted what is that subject but the faculties of the Soul Minde Will and Affections Conscience c Now these are shaken I confess but not rooted out for neither Law nor Gospel the word of Terror or Grace and Peace nor the Power and Grace of the Word doth abolish or destroy the faculties and being of the soul If he meaneth by Ground of sin the cause of sin it must either be guilt of sin or the original stain and filth if the guilt 't is granted that sin is abolished and there is no ground or cause why a Believer justified and discharged from guilt and curse by the imputation of Christs obedience should be condemned Rom. 8 1 33 34. and the abolishing of guilt is the cause and reason why the inherent roots of sin are shaken and mortified in their regency or reigning power for the present and why they shall be rooted out as to residency and inherency at the last yea why no justified believer should allow the least sin that yet remaineth in him If by ground of sin he meaneth the original stain and filth it is the same with the roots of sin and then he proves nothing but idem per idem the same thing by the same namely that the roots of sin are shaken at the roots and rooted out when they are rooted out but the question is when are they perfectly and in all degrees rooted out I have said and proved it from Scripture it is not till the parting of Soul and Body The truth then and the illustration by the simile of the fig-tree stands firm and good for ought that R. F. hath objected to the contrary yet we must hear him * Page 16. out It is Christs work to take away sin here and to sanctifie by his Spirit 1 Cor. 6. 11. 1 John 3. 5. Rep. We know that he was manifest to take away sin in 1 Cor. 6. 11. 1 John 3 5. compared cleared and vindicated and from us as in him is no sin according to that in John and that of Paul to the Corinthians expressing two ways whereby he taketh away sin by the way of justification from defiling guilt and damning curse this is perfectly done here as to Gods act of reckoning and account though as to manifestation in us to us and concerning us it comes by degrees and not till the day of Judgement will all the world know who are now Gods justified ones By the way of Sanctification he takes away the dominion of sin in the very root and the strength of the roots of filth is mortified here in some Saints more in some less as he pleaseth who puts forth the power but in none are the roots of every sin nor of any sin wholly perfectly pluckt up till bodily death I am for purity and holiness here in heart and life but I am for purity of the Scriptures also according to their pure sense What saith the Scripture which R. F. next calleth forth As he that hath called you is holy so be ye holy in all maner of conversation 1 Pet. 1. 15. 2 Pet. 1. 15. vindicated Rep. This is a command of and
how They the Hebrews obtained communion with the perfect while they pressed after them and when did the just men whom they pressed after attain a full perfection of holiness when their spirits and bodies parted not before as hath been shewed in Section 29. And as for the Saints he wrote to they were yet in a conflicting condition striving against sin ver 4. of that 12. Chap. and not so diligent in their way and work but they had need of spurs Chap. 6. Yea Chap. 5. so dull of hearing ver 11. and such non-proficients ver 12. that they had need of an alarum of a rod or of a ferula Chap. 12. 6 c. Another dart yet will R. F. throw against this truth Paul obtained it and preached wisdom among them that are perfect Rep. 1. But he cannot tell us at what stage of his life he attained it He obtained perfection of Justification indeed betimes and so doth every believer at his first believing but he cannot shew us when he attained to the perfection of Sanctification till his death He had it not when he wrote to the Romans as was made to appear Section 20. and more may be said Section 35. which Epistle was written after that to the Corinthians He had it not when he wrote to the Philippians Chap. 3. 12. which Epistle was written after that to the Romans as might be demonstrated if it were needful He had it not when he wrote to the Hebrews supposing as we may most probably it was his Epistle consult again Heb. 6. 1. which Epistle was written after that to the Philippians If Paul had it before his death it was when a little before his departure and martyrdom he wrote his second Epistle to Timothy the last of all his Epistles when he tells him 2 Tim. 4. 6 7. I am now ready to be offered c. I have fought a good fight I have finished my course I have kept the faith yet even then he puts in himself with the weaker Christians Chap. 2. 12 13. who might fall into an act of Christ-denial or a fit of unbelief If we deny him If we believe not and even then he sends for Books and Parchments Chap. 4. 13. He was no perfectist therefore lifted up here above a possibility of sinning or above the use of means for preserving and perfecting the understanding memory affections c. to the very last period of his course 2. It is true he preached wisdom among them that were perfect 1 Cor. 26 7. but this is not truly alledged by R. F. 1 Cor. 2. 6. vindicated for perfection in the highest degree for Paul understandeth with sincere Saints such also as were grown Christians taller by head and shoulders then their Brethren in the faith and fellowship of the Gospel comparatively perfect in respect of weaklings and babes in Christ they were of more able understanding and riper capacity in spiritual mysteries and as the Apostle describes them Heb. 5. 14. who are of full age can digest strong meat and by reason of use have their wits exercised to discern both good and evil yet not perfect in all degrees but at most Christians of a higher form then their fellows R. F. * Page 17. 2 Cor 13. 11. vindicated yet alledgeth 2 Cor. 13. 11. Finally brethren farewel be perfect as if the Apostles exhortation did argue they had it already or as if I denied the exhortation to perfection which is given to none but such as are in some degree imperfect The word which the Apostle there * useth hath reference to their Schisms and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Divisions and intendeth no more then if he had said Make up your Rents and reform your ragged Communion and tatter'd Conversation Whether he or I do contradict the Scripture cross the Apostles Doctrine and therefore to be holden accursed as he chargeth it upon me must appear by the premises proofs and demonstrations from the Scripture till the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his Saints to the full conviction of gain-sayers Jude v. 14 15. Section 32. I Had noted how they plead for present attained perfection much from that Scripture 1 John 4. 17. As he is so ◠John 4. 17. vindicated are we in this world This R. F. saith nothing to in its place nor can he justly hold up any plea from hence for that which the Apostle intends not by the words or against the exposition I gave of them which was this That the Apostle speaks onely of the sincerity of our love manifested like to Christs in a single plain sound-hearted way that we may have boldness in the day of judgement As notes not here equality but quality and likeness as Matth. 5. 48. and often in Scripture It is arrogancy to think and contradiction to say that as Christ was without sin so are we in this world when we speak of Sanctification which is that under debate Afterwards * Page 18. he calls my exposition wresting and twisting and by windy words of no force he would maintain the corrupt gloss of being without sin as Christ was as may appear in the following Section Section 33. HAving discovered G. Fox his express Negative answer to the Question Have ye no sin No contrary to 1 John 1. 8. If we say we have no sin we deceive our selves c. R. F. * Page 17. stands up here in his fellows defence and doth not answer to the place of John which I quoted in the first Chapter but tells me If his answer was No it was not contrary to such as were in the eternal life and did abide in Christ but he G. Fox is in the life of truth and abides in Christ and therefore his answer did not contradict the Scripture in the third Chap. ver 6. Rep. 1. If G. Fox his No contradicted but one place of Scripture it contradicteth the whole Scripture for Gods truth is uniform and a sweet harmony there is of every string break one link of the chain you break the chain 2. To say No to such a Question Have ye no sin is far from agreeing with 1 John 3. 6. in its true meaning 1 John 3 6. vindicated See Sect. 14. First The Apostle saith not whosoever abideth in Christ hath no sin in him for that he according as the Scripture elsewhere 2 Cor. 5. 21. 1 Pet. 2. 22. onely asserteth of Christ as God and God-man ver 5. And in him is no sin to distinguish him from Saints that while here have sin in them and to prove him to be fit and able to take away sin Secondly As there are no such words so it is not the Apostles scope to hold out R. F. his Doctrine of present Perfection but to discover all those who abide in Christ to be such as do not abide in sin and all those who abide in sin to be such as have not seen him nor known him Thirdly So far as they
natural and bodily food He was the weaker who confined himself to some particulars as onely lawful viz. Herbs c. This Scripture of the Apostles preferring righteousness c. before meats and drinks is impertinently and sinfully alledged to contradict the observation of the Lords Supper wherein he will be remembred by the use of natural bread and wine till his second coming 1 Cor. 11. 26. As oft as ye eat of this bread 1 Cor. 11. 26 cleared and drink of this cup for natural substance the same with other bread and wine but for signification and assurance different ye do shew by such a use and participation the Lords death till he come That clause till he come and others of his coming are usual in the New Testament to denote his second and glorious coming visibly in our nature If I will that he tarry till I come c. John 21. 22. So shall also the coming of the Son of man be Mat. 24. 37 39. Even so come Lord Jesus the voice of the Bride and of John echoing to Christs Surely I come quickly Rev. 22. 20. 2. Although wheat-bread and red wine be not souls food alone and by themselves yet stampt with the Lords Institution his word of promise This is my body This is my blood with his word of command Do this c. and this done in faith accordingly in and by them Christ doth feed our souls If the sacred signs of the Old Testament had this significancy and excellency that in respect of what was represented by them they are called spiritual meat and spiritual drink 1 Cor. 10. 3 4. Manna was appointed to feed the faith of the Fathers and Water out of the rock to refresh their soul-faith surely the blessed signs of the New Testament come not short of such spiritual significancy and excellency which they have not from themselves but from Christ the institutor and ordainer of them who will and doth make them souls food instrumentally because he thereby and therewith gives forth himself to be their assured food and nourishment But saith R. F. * Page 20. for a close He is my meat and drink and food for my soul to feed on and for such as are in him John 6. who is the bread of life Rep. But how he doth not tell us onely he saith it is so and I wish it be so and that he doth not feed upon ashes nor that a deceived heart doth lead him aside nor that a lye be found in his right hand I 'm sure it is in his tongue or pen who shall say or write Christ feeds not souls by wheat-bread and red wine 1. It is a true exposition of John 6. which we hold up against the Papists that all along that Chapter Christ speaks not of the Sacrament called the Lords Supper consisting of sign and thing signified outward and inward matter but onely of his natural flesh and blood given and shed for all that eat and drink him spiritually or by faith which daily they may and ought to do Believe and thou hast eaten as was Augustines counsel and encouragement of old to the Christians in his time 2. It is a proud and disdainful practice altogether to reject the use of wheat-bread and red wine or any fruit of the vine frequently as a help to memory faith love and all the graces of the inner man especially by fresh remembrance of Christs death in the application of the signs to be strengthned in believing our interest and propriety in him that we may feed the more strongly upon him and live chearfully by faith every day and hour By this time me thinks I hear James Nayler crying out of divisions about the form * Love to the lost pag. 43. of the Lords Supper which the worlds Teachers and Professors are all out of and have lost and the power also and then spreading his new cloth that I hinted at before as some wet napkin over a Corpse so he over his new Communion Table and then sets on his new-transformed Supper and what 's that Hear if you can and read without their trembling but in true fear take notice of his horrible delusion For the sake saith he * Pagâ— 45. of such who are lost in this thing and troubled in minde concerning it what I have James Naylers transmutation of the Lords Supper received of the Lord that I shall declare unto you which all shall witness to who come to partake thereof as the truth is in Jesus Christ If you intend to sup with the Lord or shew the Lords death till he come let your eating and drinking so oft as you do it be in remembrance of him and in his fear that at death you may witness to the lust and excess c. If this man were not lost himself could he write thus wildely falsly impudently or minister such a miserable comfort to a troubled minde Why where will the poor lost simple soul say is the fallacy wildeness impudence The fallacy in this that by eating and drinking as oft as you do it he meaneth your ordinary meals of Breakfast Dinner or Supper for so he expresseth it Page 43. This was to be done at all seasons when they eat and drank The wildeness in this For the sake of such as are lost and that at death you may witness to the lust and excess The impudence in this that he saith He received it of the Lord and to avoid excess and of becoming reprobates in the faith it was * Page 44. that the Lord Jesus commanded his Disciples in eating and drinking to shew forth his death till he came And this was that the Apostles received of the Lord and so practised till he was come to them and then * Page 46. they continued it for their sakes who were weak in the faith to whom he was not yet appeared What His colourable Reasons dis-colouâ—ed colour will the lost simple soul say hath he for all this He hath something surely to set forth his new dish First He thinketh * Page 43. this Lords Supper was done and instituted by Christ as they sate at meat and did eat Mat. 26. 26. Mark 14. 22. But must it therefore be confounded with every ones common ordinary meal That Supper which he instituted a new was if Luke 22. 20. be consulted after the Paschal Supper and Paul saith 1 Cor. 11. 25. after he the Lord had supped yea after he had risen at the end of the Paschal Supper John 13. 2. he took a towel washt his Disciples feet sate down again ver 12. and had given the dipped sop to the Traitor who upon the receiving of it went immediately out ver 30. and came in no more But now Christ and his chosen ones are alone they not having removed the Table the Lord enters his Sermon John 13. latter end with Chap. 14. 15 16. and having taken bread and then the cup he either prayed
their pens and tongues would be circumcised and hearts also which I shall pray for that these extravagant Errata's may be corrected 2. In that he saith the Gentiles consciences will bear them witness and excuse them in the day when God shall judge the world c. all which is remote from the Apostles sense Rom. 2. 15. For Rom. 2. 15 16 vindicated and cleared First He is comparing a practical Heathen with a bare professing Jew and preferring the working Gentile before the talking Jew but how as to matter of fact not as to the whole state before God For as to the whole state before God they are both alike both falling short of what the Law written in the heart or in the book required onely in matter of fact the Heathen sometime did more answer his light then the Jew did but did the Heathen answer his light perfectly No he had accusing thoughts as well as excusing a dark confused state was his Secondly The Apostle doth not say the Heathens light and fruits shall excuse him so at the day of judgement that they will stand at that day praised of God c. for then No saving excuse or testimony from a natural conscience conscience fully awakened will accuse more then excuse and the accusations will bear and weigh down the excuses ten thousand fold nay every mouth and the mouth of every conscience that now excuseth but from his own acts and hath not the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus upon it will then be stopt where is his praise then of God Thirdly The words ver 16. In the day when God shall judge c. though they immediately follow yet they have not such a connexion with ver 15. but either refer to ver 11. and so four verses are to be taken into a Parenthesis or to ver 12. and so three verses are parenthetically to be read and the sense with such a dependence observed runs clear and plain viz. ver 11. There is no respect of persons with God in the day when God shall judge or ver 12. As many as have sinned without the Law written or with it shall be judged In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ And this reading quite cuts off James Naylers plea for the Gentiles saving light What starting-hole R. F. will have we may gather by what went before and what follows in his commendation of this light and such as love it It is spiritual and such as love it bring their deeds to be tryed by it and with it the deceit is judged c. Rep. But by the light of the Spirit shining in our hearts by the Scripture we have found out the deceit of terms and phrases as used by these men and withal how they clash with themselves as with the Scripture even in that which R. F. addeth Such as with the Light have the deeds of darkness discovered and hates the Light the Light is their condemnation But say I the Gentiles never perfectly loved that light they had therefore it was and will be condemnation to them and none of them will be excused in the day of judgement and therefore R. F. and J Nayler are here at a difference and contradict one another it may be when they consider not of it For a farewel R. F. concludeth As it the condemnation is thine and they that are in union with corruptions as thou art they are not able to judge of the things of God but erre in judgement that judgeth with evil thoughts as thou dost and hast done therefore judgements is to thy head and crown of deceit pride and vain glory Rep. This verdict is from R. F. as a man to say no more and I pass not for mans judgement but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Onely let me advertise the Reader that to be in union with corruptions is to have no division made in the Soul by a contrary principle of Grace hating that corruption I would be very loth to be found in the hatred of other mens errors and corruptions and in the love of my own The testimony of my conscience herein is my rejoycing that I lie open to conviction studying always to exercise a clear conscience toward God and toward men Sections 13 14. Sect. 13 14. THese two Sections are by R. F. passed over untoucht In the one I shewed how George Fox prefers the light within as life to the light of the Scriptures which is death and James Nayler acknowledgeth life to be in the Scriptures speaking of them that love the life in them In the other I noted how George Fox disparageth the light of knowing God and the Father and the Spirit and Christ and the Gospel by the Scriptures because men had never known them but by the Scriptures One would think as I said this to be rather a commendation of the Scriptures and that his disparagement contradicts his commendation as his after commendation That the Scriptures came from the light and life contradicts his disparagement That the light within was before the Scriptures The light within Christ was before we grant in time and excellency being uncreated light The light within every man in Adam considered as in his state before the fall or as in his lapsed condition was before the Scriptures in time not in excellency because the Scriptures hold forth a higher light then either Adam or we in him had before the fall or under the fall The light within some Saints as they were Saints of the old Testament was before any piece of Scripture in time not in dignity and degree seeing there is more light in the first piece of Scripture-Gospel Gen. 3. 15. then all the Saints then and since are worth of themselves and then they could comprehend or can to this day The light within the Saints of the present Age is after the Scriptures both in time and excellency in time as they were born and new-born since the Scriptures were extant in excellency as the Scriptures are a rule above their light and unto it not so their light a rule above the Scriptures Section 15. WHereas I had reasoned upon James Naylers words If the least degree of light manifested in the creature be perfect in its measures and in its self as he delivers it for doctrine then it is every way perfect and no longer the least degree and therefore J. Nayler contradicted himself R. F. * Page 27. appeals to the book of Few Words pag. 8. and thither let him and the worst Reader I have go and finde out the subtilty he chargeth me with After one charge he gives another Thou hast here confessed that if the light be perfect in its measure and in its self it is perfect every way Rep. It is neither my confession nor concession but I reasoned after that maner to manifest J. N. his contradiction in adjecto as we say or in the very terms for it is as