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A93670 Questions propounded for resolution of unlearned Protestants in matter of religion, to the doctours of the prelaticall pretended reformed church of England. Spencer, John, 1601-1671. 1657 (1657) Wing S4957; ESTC R230353 15,605 57

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his_o part_n but_o yet_o may_v be_v frustrate_v by_o the_o malice_n of_o such_o as_o corrrespond_v not_o to_o his_o intention_n and_o therefore_o though_o he_o intend_v that_o these_o pastor_n shall_v perform_v the_o say_a office_n in_o the_o church_n yet_o that_o it_o involve_v this_o condition_n if_o they_o be_v not_o want_v on_o their_o part_n but_o by_o their_o fail_v the_o institution_n of_o christ_n be_v make_v frustrate_a and_o of_o no_o effect_n i_o answer_v to_o this_o profane_a and_o unchristian_a objection_n first_o that_o if_o christ_n promise_n and_o institution_n be_v thus_o inefficacious_a and_o conditional_a that_o notwithstanding_o all_o the_o promise_n that_o christ_n have_v make_v for_o the_o preservation_n of_o his_o church_n yet_o by_o the_o malice_n of_o christian_n or_o other_o the_o whole_a christian_a church_n may_v utter_o fail_v and_o come_v to_o nothing_o second_o that_o it_o may_v err_v even_o in_o fundamental_a point_n contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o protestant_n and_o so_o become_v a_o synagogue_n of_o satan_n three_o that_o the_o ancient_a promise_n of_o the_o come_n of_o the_o messiah_n of_o the_o redemption_n of_o mankind_n of_o the_o save_n of_o some_o at_o the_o last_o judgement_n etc._n etc._n have_v no_o absolute_a certainty_n in_o they_o and_o so_o by_o the_o malice_n of_o man_n may_v have_v be_v or_o may_v be_v frustrate_v four_o that_o by_o this_o there_o be_v no_o certain_a credit_n to_o be_v give_v to_o any_o promise_n or_o institution_n of_o god_n or_o christ_n in_o the_o whole_a old_a or_o new_a testament_n for_o a_o thousand_o different_a condition_n may_v be_v invent_v which_o not_o be_v perform_v or_o put_v the_o prediction_n fail_v thus_o one_o may_v say_v upon_o the_o like_a ground_n that_o as_o the_o promise_n of_o benefit_n or_o blessing_n may_v be_v hinder_v by_o the_o malice_n and_o demerit_n of_o wicked_a person_n so_o the_o threat_n and_o thunder_n of_o punishment_n upon_o sinner_n may_v be_v hinder_v by_o the_o virtue_n and_o good_a work_n of_o saint_n and_o because_o we_o have_v no_o rule_n to_o know_v what_o proportion_n of_o goodness_n or_o malice_n be_v sufficient_a to_o frustrate_v such_o prediction_n we_o remain_v whole_o uncertain_a whither_o they_o shall_v be_v absolute_o verify_v or_o no_o unless_o therefore_o this_o principle_n be_v settle_v that_o all_o divine_a institution_n and_o prediction_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v absolute_a and_o never_o to_o be_v frustrate_v whensoever_o it_o be_v not_o evident_o apparent_a that_o they_o be_v conditional_a and_o may_v be_v hinder_v there_o can_v be_v no_o certainty_n that_o any_o institution_n or_o prediction_n in_o the_o whole_a scripture_n shall_v be_v absolute_o fullfil_v see_v therefore_o it_o be_v not_o evident_a that_o this_o institution_n ephesian_n the_o 4._o etc._n etc._n and_o other_o of_o the_o same_o nature_n concerning_o the_o church_n be_v conditional_a they_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v to_o be_v absolute_a and_o not_o to_o be_v frustrate_v by_o any_o malice_n of_o man_n whatsoever_o five_o no_o protestant_n who_o hold_v the_o whole_a visible_a church_n can_v perish_v nor_o all_o her_o pastor_n prove_v wilful_a seducer_n can_v apply_v this_o answer_n to_o the_o text_n now_o cite_v viz._n ephesian_n 4._o etc._n etc._n for_o if_o it_o be_v hinder_v by_o the_o malice_n of_o the_o say_a pastor_n they_o must_v with_o joint_a consent_n malicious_o and_o witting_o teach_v false_a doctrine_n to_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v to_o teach_v fundamental_a error_n and_o to_o fall_v of_o from_o christ_n if_o this_o solution_n may_v pass_v for_o current_n who_o can_v be_v certain_o assure_v that_o there_o be_v any_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n visible_a or_o invisible_a existent_a now_o in_o the_o world_n for_o all_o the_o promise_n concerning_o the_o continuance_n of_o it_o to_o the_o world_n end_n may_v be_v as_o well_o say_v to_o be_v as_o well_o conditional_a and_o frustrable_a by_o the_o malice_n of_o man_n as_o this_o ephesian_n the_o 4._o etc._n etc._n and_o who_o know_v that_o the_o say_a malice_n be_v not_o already_o grow_v to_o that_o height_n that_o it_o have_v deserve_v that_o god_n shall_v take_v his_o true_a church_n quite_o out_o of_o the_o world_n and_o so_o that_o there_o be_v now_o no_o true_a church_n at_o all_o existent_a in_o the_o whole_a world_n quest_n 23._o whither_o it_o be_v not_o evident_a that_o unlearned_a protestant_n who_o can_v determine_v difference_n in_o religion_n either_o by_o force_n of_o argument_n or_o place_n of_o scripture_n but_o must_v whole_o depend_v in_o the_o choice_n of_o their_o faith_n upon_o the_o authority_n and_o credit_n of_o christian_a teacher_n be_v not_o oblige_v in_o conscience_n to_o prefer_v that_o authority_n and_o credibility_n of_o doctor_n before_o all_o other_o which_o all_o circumstance_n considere_v be_v absolute_o and_o unquestionable_o the_o great_a authority_n quest_n 24._o whither_o that_o authority_n of_o doctor_n where_o those_o of_o one_o side_n be_v equal_a at_o least_o if_o not_o exceed_v they_o of_o the_o contrary_a party_n in_o learning_n wisdom_n zeal_n sincerity_n virtue_n sanctity_n and_o all_o other_o quality_n and_o perfection_n which_o confer_v to_o the_o accomplishment_n of_o complete_a authority_n in_o a_o christian_a teacher_n and_o with_o this_o equality_n incomparable_o exceed_v the_o doctor_n of_o the_o other_o party_n in_o number_n be_v not_o in_o all_o prudence_n to_o be_v judge_v absolute_o and_o unquestionable_o the_o great_a authority_n quest_n 25._o whither_o this_o equality_n at_o least_o in_o all_o the_o say_a perfection_n be_v not_o to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o roman_a doctor_n compare_v with_o those_o of_o protestant_n quest_n 26._o whither_o with_o this_o forementioned_a equalize_v the_o protestant_a doctor_n those_o of_o the_o roman_a church_n the_o many_o year_n of_o their_o continuance_n and_o universal_a extent_n of_o their_o religion_n consider_v exceed_v not_o incomparable_o in_o number_n those_o of_o the_o protestant_a profession_n quest_n 27._o whither_o this_o equality_n in_o perfection_n and_o incomparable_a excess_n in_o number_n consider_v all_o unlearned_a protestant_n be_v not_o oblige_v both_o in_o prudence_n and_o conscience_n to_o prefer_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o roman_a doctor_n before_o that_o of_o protestant_n and_o consequent_o to_o follow_v the_o roman_a and_o desert_v the_o protestant_a doctrine_n quest_n 28._o whither_o upon_o the_o foresay_a consideration_n the_o authority_n of_o the_o protestant_a doctor_n in_o all_o thing_n wherein_o they_o contradict_v the_o roman_a be_v not_o contemptibile_fw-la and_o unable_a to_o sway_v the_o judgement_n of_o any_o prudent_a christian_n to_o frame_v any_o moral_a esteem_n of_o it_o for_o though_o in_o matter_n wherein_o they_o be_v either_o second_v or_o not_o contradict_v by_o a_o authority_n incomparable_o great_a than_o their_o own_o they_o may_v deserve_o be_v esteem_v for_o their_o natural_a ability_n and_o moral_a quality_n worthy_a of_o credit_n yet_o in_o all_o thing_n where_o in_o they_o stand_v in_o opposition_n and_o contradiction_n against_o a_o authority_n incomparable_o exceed_v they_o they_o deserve_v nothing_o but_o to_o be_v slight_v and_o contemn_v by_o all_o those_o who_o be_v to_o be_v lead_v by_o the_o sole_a force_n of_o authority_n thus_o when_o protestant_a doctor_n affirm_v that_o either_o scripture_n or_o father_n be_v for_o they_o and_o against_o the_o roman_a church_n what_o they_o say_v in_o this_o be_v not_o to_o be_v regard_v see_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o roman_a doctor_n absolute_o great_a than_o they_o unanimous_o affirm_v the_o quite_o contrary_a thus_o when_o they_o affirm_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v full_a of_o error_n and_o superstition_n creep_v in_o they_o know_v neither_o when_o nor_o how_o their_o accusation_n be_v to_o be_v slight_v be_v clear_o and_o constant_o contradict_v by_o a_o far_o great_a authority_n thus_o they_o