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A45163	Union pursued, in a letter to Mr. Baxter, concerning his late book of national churches published for a fuller disquisition about this subject, by the sober and composed of all sides, in order to comprehension which hath been forming, and a larger constitution of the church to be formed, when that Day of Concord comes, which the gentle aspect of Heaven in God's appointment (and the King's) of so many choice moderate bishops together at this time does presage to the nation, that the Presbyterians and Independants, that have united within themselves, may both be united also with the Church of England / by a lover of Him, and follower of peace.	Humfrey, John, 1621-1719.	1691 (1691)	Wing H3716; ESTC R15748	28,717	40

it the Paper mentioned look'd again over and improved to that end And I pray God to direct your Thoughts and Labours still that you may so prove all things as to hold fast that which is good The Draught WHereas there are several Parties of Christians in the Nation who must and will ever differ in their Opinions about the Church and Discipline of it in the Question which is of Christ's Institution it is not our Disputes about the Church as particular which are rather to be mutually forborn and every party left herein to their own Perswasion but a common Agreement in what we can agree and that is in the Church as National must heal our Breaches The Catholicks are for one Universal Organical Church throughout the World whereof the Pope is Head according to some and the Bishops conven'd in a General Council according to others That there is a Catholick Church visible on Earth as well as invisible whereof Christ is Head who was on Earth and is now visible in Heaven is received also by Protestants But that this Church is per integrum Organical and under the Government either of a Monarchy by the Pope or of an Aristocracy by a General Council it seems a thing not possible in Nature because neither can an Oecumenical Council ever be called nor any one man be sufficient to take on him the Concernments of the World A Political Church is a Community of Christians brought into an Order of Superiority and Inferiority by an Head and Members organiz'd for the Exercise of that Government which is proper to it But the whole Earth is not capable of any such Order And Councils therefore which are gathered out of several Countries or of Bishops belonging to more Dominions than of one Supreme Power may be had for mutual Advice and Concord but not for Government A Nation Empire or Kingdom which consists of one Supreme Magistrate and People who are generally Christians are capable of such an Ecclesiastical Polity and a National Church Political in England is to be asserted and maintained The Church of England then is a Political Society of all the Christians Conforming or Tolerated in the Land united in the King as Head and organized by the Bishops for the executing those Laws or Government which he chuses for their Spiritual Good and Publick Peace There is this difference between a Church National the Church Catholick and Particular Churches The two latter are of Divine Right and Essential Consideration but the former is of Human Institution for it is manifestly Accidental to the Church of Christ that the whole People should be Christian Not but it is the duty of all Nations Kings and People to become Christians Go and teach all Nations Baptizing them and that Christian Kingdoms therefore as they consist of People that do meet in Particular Congregations for the worship of the True God and Jesus Christ and do exercise that Government which the Pastor hath over his flock by vertue of his Office from Christ and no other than that are of Divine appointment But the Combination of these Churches or the Pastors thereof in an Order of Superiority and Inferiority for the Exercise of a Regiment that is National over the whole body of the Kingdom by setting Bishop in a Diocess and an Archbishop in a Province and then proceeding no farther as to a Patriarchat and General Council but making a stop here and Constituting the Nation thereby one Governing Church independent on any other from aboard this appears of no Divine or Canonical Right but must derive its Authority from an Act of Parliament Distinguish we here of the Government of the Church as Internal belonging to the Spirit and External which belongs to Men And of the External Regiment thereof which is either Formal belonging to the Ministers or Officers of Christ or Objective belonging to the Magistrate so call'd because the matters of the Church in this respect are the Object of his Civil Power Whether the Community now of Christians in England may be united into a National Church under a pure Formal Government we leave to others to dispute that will But that the main Body of the Nation are or may be constituted a proper Political Church National under that Mix'd Regiment which is both Formal and Objective and so exercised by the Bishops as the proper Organs thereof under the King with Authority as Bishops as Ministers without Force is what we hold indisputable and would lay as a Foundation-stone of Peace in the Matter of Religion between all Persons in the Kingdom capable of it The Government of this Church is by Bishops and if their Authority be not received and owned so far as that the generality of the Nation the Nonconformists as well as others yield to it there can be no Union Now when the Government of the Land is a Mixt Government as Politicians tell us on another account why may not the Government of the Church be Mixt too upon this account to wit in that as the King must be a Mixed Person to be Head the Bishops must be Mixt Persons too to be his Officers Mixt Persons in regard to the exercise of both this Objective and Formal Regiment deriving the one from the King as over other Ministers and the other from Christ as Fellows with them that so those that scruple their Submission to them upon one account may be satisfied upon another which by and by will be explained Let the Parliament therefore we have or any other be heartily for the Publick Good and Thriving of England which must be by an entire Liberty of Conscience in opposition to the narrow Spirit of any single Party or Faction and when such a Parliament shall sit about the Business of Union to purpose the Bill should be brought in entituled An Act for declaring the Constitution of our Church of England A Parliament is the Representative of the whole Nation and no doubt but by Consent and Agreement they might upon the account mentioned Make a new Constitution and much more may they Declare the Constitution of it It should be declared then in such a Bill or Act That the Church of England consists of the King as the Head or Pars imperans who in his Legislative Capacity as incorporated with his Lords and Commons is to give Laws thereto and all the several Assemblies of Christians which he shall tolerate as the pars subdita or Body Some Discrimination between the Tolerable and Intolerable is indeed never to be gainsaid by any wise and good man unto whom there is no Liberty can be desireable which is not consistent with these three things the Articles of our Creed a Good Life and the Fundamental Government of the Kingdom It is not for any private Persons but a Parliament with a Convocation to prescribe the Terms of National Communion but we would have all our Assemblies that are tolerable to be declared Legal by such an Act and thereby

uncapable of any Catholick Officers for executing such Jurisdiction You say the Head gives the Form to a Society but Does it give the Form when there are no Organs or Officers for Government under that Head when there are no such appointed by him or can be made by Man It is true that the actual making Officers belongs to the Administration of a Government when the Government hath its Denomination and is Organical from the Constitution But where is there any such Constitution declared by Christ or Appointment of his that there should be Organs made for an Oecumenical Government If there be no such how is it a Polity without Government without virtual or actual Government or an Oecumenical Polity without an Oecumenical Government This would tempt a man to come about towards our first Doctrin of Protestants to deny any Church Catholick but the Invisible How can the Universal Coetus of Christian People dispersed through the World without Legislative or Judicial Power be Political Methinks there must be something else more than Head and Members essential to a Form of Polity whether Civil or Ecclesiastical I will tell you therefore over again the Opinion I am prone to as well as I can A National Church may be considered Materially as a Christian People or Kingdom and so are National Churches of Christ's appointment out of doubt as at the beginning acknowledged for He sent out his Officers to convert Nations rather than single Men a●● the Prophets have many Places of the calling of Nat●ons whose Answer to that Call makes them Churches But as a National Church is considered Formally in regard to the Constitution of divers particular Countries as we say the Church of England the Church of Scotland and the like a National Church is and must be as it seems to me of Human Agreement altogether I speak not this I must farther say to dispute with you but to learn of you or for Instruction and in making this out I cannot but in my native apprehension differ from ȳou as to that which gives the Form Being or Essence to a Society Political or as to that which is the ratio formalis of a Nation being a Church You say it is only the Head gives the Form but I apprehend That the Head and Members of any Society considered as in a state before Organization for Regiment are but still the Matter of a Polity but that which gives the Form to it is Consent If a Community let me say should agree upon a Head and not agree upon the Organizing that Head and Members so as to be capable of Government here is no Polity Let me speak closer When a King is Head of his People already as They are a Kingdom I cannot say he is a Head of them as a Church before this Church be made Organical by a Constitution Pray note that and I say then The Consent Agreement or Combination of the Community the Populus Head and Body in such an Order for Government as is proper to it is the ratio formalis in my Apprehension of that Society I know that the Terms of Matter and Form upon which I lay no stress are proper to physical Beings whereas a Polity and such-like things are not Entia physica nor Entia rationis but Entia moralia and so need other Expressions but when I have no better and Entia moralia ad analogiam physicorum concipiuntur I must say That as it is Consent that makes a single man a Member of a Society and does that which a Form does to wit give the Being and Denomination to him of a Member Forma dat esse nomen So must the Universal Consent of Parts to that Order of Superiority a●● Inferiority for Regiment which is in any Society give it its Form and that Order be the Form or Polity it self which consisting not only of Head and Members but of Head and subordinate Organs for that Regiment it is not the Head alone but Head and Body so organized the Head Principally indeed but Jointly that makes it a Political Society You may say that I write here but scatteredly as one that aims at saying something that may provoke you to set me right rather than come my self to any perfect Determination and I care not to have you think and judge so for though I would not put you to trouble willingly about any thing impertinent yet do I expect so much more consideration and farther light from you in the thing as the weight of the Subject and the concernment thereof does require of him that undertook it The Head gives the Form I express as your Judgment In one place of this Book or that which came out with it you say The Head is the Form which seems to me absonant In another place you say The Relative Union between the Head and Body or the pars imporans subdita is the Form which sounds well But the Conception is not so hard yet A Polity is an Order of Superiority and Subjection I have said in a Community The Community here is the Matter and this Order is the Form This is most plain and forasmuch as this Form is introduc'd into the Community by their Agreement while free it is Consent which gives the Form and is the Foundation the Fundamentum Relationis of all Societies And here Sir without interposition of the last Paragraph I though to break off but my Mind I feel is not emptied A Christian Kingdom containing Confederate Pastoral Churches is a National Church with you But what if there be no Confederacy no such Consent or National Confederacy Where is the Form that must give the Being and Denomination of a National Church to such a Kingdom Suppose a Company of Christians with Ministers among them who preach and pray together and yet are not Confederated in the Choice of any of them for a Pastor and Officers for Government Here is a Particular Worshipping Community but no Political Society So in a Kingdom if a King and People be Christian and they have Particular Churches but no Confederacy of these Churches or Pastors in an Order for National Government here is an Ecclesiastical National Community but no National Church Here is a Government which is Civil by the Sword but no Government Ecclesiastical by the Keys There can be no Keys that are National I must say but what are founded in this Confederacy and consequently on Human Institution You may say every King that is Christian may allow of what Particular Churches he please and command a Confederacy But hold a little Religion the Fathers and Reason will tell us cannot be forced The Church Man believes Episcopal Government to be Jure Divino the Presbyterian thinks his to be so the Independent thinks their Congregational Churches alone to be of Christs Appointment and cannot in Conscience submit to a Confederacy of the one Side or the other How shall the King here command Consent or Confederacy to

any one part against the Conscience of the other Thou shalt do nothing against thy Conscience is a Precept of God and Nature that binds semper ad semper as the Schools speak being Negative How then shall Man command what GOD forbids He commands you to Confederate and it is against you Conscience to do it Hath he Power to command a Subject to sin He hath Strength or Force or Legal Right but hath he Authority to do it To say how far the Supreme Majestrate may go in this Case is not easie I am sure a Man may easily be too hasty and sudden in such a Decision I must add as what appears from that which went before A National Church may be distinguished from a Christian Kingdom because a People may be Christian before such a Confederacy But when Confederated and a Church they are the same indeed so as though distinguished they cannot be divided And this is the Right in my Apprehension To talk of Dissenters Presbyterians and Independents to be Members of the Church of England as well as the Conformists will not be born by the Weak And the confounding the Ecclesiastical Government with the Civil which your making a Kingdom and Church as Christian to be the same does seem to do will by the Wise be called into Question When you say well or speak at best you must look for Misunderstanding and Clamour from the Displeased For my own part how the Church Vniversal whereof Christ is the Head and Particular Churches whereof the Pastors have Rule are Churches of Christs making I do understand But how far a National Church is of Christ's making and how far of Mans making I think requires a little more Explication from you than we have yet You are very exact as to Civil Government to tell us what is of GOD and what of Man I remember not that you are so full as to Ecclesiastical And now let me tell you lest I be mistaken as to those things I have asked before that I have done so not that I am in all of them of another mind from you but for the clearing my less perspicacious Conceptions For Instance when I ask Whether the Catholick Church Visible be Political I must say I have receiv'd it to be so and will give you my Account that you may tell me if I am short The Government of the Church Mystical which is Internal by God's Spirit is I count a Government over single Persons the Elect dispersed His Operation is on single Persons The Government of the Church Visible which is External is a Government of Churches a Government of Persons as in Societies Congregational Diocesan Provincial National And the Catholick Church Visible is a Church I count Political and Organical because all these Churches that are Parts of it have their Governing Officers as well as the People Governed contained in them There is a Government therefore of a Society per Partes or per Integrum The Catholick Church is a Totum Integrale and is Governed per Partes only but yet by the Universal Laws of Jesus Christ who is the Head of it alone without any Oecumenical Vicarious Soveraign Single or Collective under him to give any other binding Laws than his which both you and I equally decry Whether there by any more than this to be Answered is the end of my asking that Question of you from whom I count if there be I shall have it For the Case put by me of a Kingdom converted by Independents it is my Opinion That in a Kingdom consisting only of Pastoral Churches not associated into an Order of Superiority and Subjection for a Government of the Whole or per Integrum there can be only the Materia and Privatio but not the Forma which that Order introduced should be of a National Church And I must add If it be enough that a King and People be Christian with Pastoral Churches to make a Kingdom a National Church then supposing the Episcopal or Presbyterian Government comes to be set up in it here must be tow National Churches in one Kingdom for there was one before and here is a New one or another New constituted by Agreement Pray pardon me my seeking from you more Illumination For your Proof of National Churches to be of Christ's Institution from his own being King of the Jews and Head of the National Church and choosing Twelve Apostles in relation to their Tribes and Seventy other in relation to their Sanhedrim with the Particulars you further mention I confess what you offer to be very ingenious and deep in fancy but whether it be cogent or not I do question For First Though Christ was born King of the Jews as sprung from David by his Mother yet would he not be their King when the Jews would have made him Secondly He tells expresly His Kingdom was not of this World Whereas the Government of Kings over Christian Kingdoms and so Heads of National Churches is no other than a Government External or a Government which is of this World Thirldy Christ is every where said in the New Testament to be Head of his Church in the Sense of the Church Universal but never in the Sense of the Particular Church of the Jewish Nation And the Prophecies of the Old Testament will admit if not require by the Event another Interpretation Fourthly The Relation of the Seventy to the Sanhedrim and of the Twelve to the Tribes is a Relation only of Number not of Work or Office for What is the Seventy Disciples preaching to convent the People or preaching Repentance for remission of sins to the business of the Sanhedrim which was their Supreme Court of Judicature for all Causes to be brought for Judgment And what was that Nations consisting of Twelve Tribes to the Choice of the Twelve Apostles unless one might think that Christ set over each Tribe one of them to be Superintendent or Bishop of that Tribe which none Thinks as I Know Fifthly Though the Jews had their Twelve Tribes and Christ those Twelve Apostles and they had Seventy Elders and Christ chose out Seventy to preach the Gospel this signifies not besides what is said already unless you prove these two things which can't be proved to wit That he chose these Twelve in relation to these Tribes and these Seventy in relation to their Sanhedrim and Who can tell Christ's Intention And also That he did this by his Authority as their King as King of the Jews or Head of the Jewish Church when he might do it and did it we may suppose as King or Head of the Church Vniversal Indeed if any shall say that Christ during his Life was King only of the Jews and that he had no Power therefore of commissiouating his apostles to go any where else for converting People which is the making them Subjects of his Kingdom because he was not King over any other Nation till after his Death and Resurrection and shall

is no doubt but this were a Concession highly Convenient or conducive to this end for I do apprehend as I have said our present Bishops are of that moderation as they would straight yield to it and agree with them But I must say not Necessary because a submission alone to their Government is enough without conceding so much to them when as to the higher End of National Concord it is neither necessary nor convenient but inconvenient as conducive to the excluding multitudes out of it and if it be stood upon to destroy it Sir since I wrote this I have thought good to read over your book again and I will say something more as if I were to begin afresh for there are Persons of Quality and of Parts several that favour the Dissenters who do entertain your Notion of a National Church and Bishops Jure Divino taking your meaning in the strict not my large sense before with indignation looking on it as a building what you have destroyed in your former books and not with the indifferency of Spirit as I do who look on it as an Explanation of those books whether this Jure Divino Point be right or no. Your Title is Of National Church A National Church may be considered in genere or in specie Of a National Church in genere I will account that you have spoken Of a National Church in specie I would have you count that you are yet to speak if you can say any more and I to give you the Occasion A National Church in genere is a Christian Kingdom constituted of a Christian Soveraign Magistrate and of Christian Subjects Worshipping God ordinarily in True Particular Pastoral Churches This is the first Paragraph of your Book and the Subject of your Discourse which you maintain And that which you have said being not as I know by any before said and of such consequence as it is to be said is I will say in my Opinion so Generously said that I cannot but be pleased with it A National Church say you is a Christian Kingdom Right in genere it is so A National Church therefore is of Divine Institution Right again in genere it is so There is no question but God commands all Nations Kings and People to be Christians But we must proceed farther we must not rest here but come to the consideration of a National Church in specie and to this purpose there is another Definition you have elsewhere if it be another which is this A Christian Kingdom containing Confederate Pastoral Churches is a National Church I cannot tell here whether you mean any more in this than in that before but there seems to me some farther light to have came into your mind though perhaps you reflected not on it For by this Confederation you may either understand nothing but that Confederation which is between the Pastor and Members of a Particular Church within themselves or a Confederation of such Particular Churches with others That is the Confederation whereby a Particular People give up themselves to God which the several branches of the Confederation that you instance in do but come to and to one another to walk together under the same Pastoral guidance or the Confederation whereby diverse Particular Pastoral Churches do Confederate for Union under a Superiour Government for their greater common good If you understand the last of these then was you defective in what you said at first If you do not understand the last but the first onely then are you defective as to that which should come mainely into consideration which is the nature of a National Church I say in specie as existing in the Constitution of Particular Kingdoms unto which this Confederation in the last sense is not only Necessary but Essential and to be put into the Definition thereof as without which there can be no rightly constituted Particular National Church in the World We loose our labour to speak of National Churches in the Universal Notion unless we bring the Application down to the Particular National Church in our own Land as you know This therefore we must stand upon In Scotland the Presbyterian Government is settled In England the Episcopal The King is Head of both Nations If the Head alone now were the Form of a National Church then must there be but one Form of the Church of England and Scotland I mean not one Numerical Form which doubtless follows not but one Specifical Form because the Head is but One But the Form of a Presbyterian National Church and the Form of an Episcopal National Church are distinct Forms and do distinguish and specifie two Churches The Form of the Church of Scotland is that Order of Superiority and Subjection whereby the Parish-Churches and Ministers there are subject to their Classes and those Classes to higher till they come up to a National Assembly The Form of the Church of England is that Order of Superiority and Subjection where by the Parochial Ministers and their Flocks are subject to the Diocesan Bishops the Bishops to the Archbishop in regard to which several Parishes do make one Diocess and several Diocesan Churches one Provincial one and the two Provinces with the King make the Church National This Order is the Form of these Churches and the Form essentiates them It is not therefore for any to think that a Man can be a Member of either of these Churches who comes not into their Established Order A man cannot be of the Scotch Church but he must submit to their Presbyteries A man cannot be of the Church of England but he must own Episcopacy he must own it so far as to submit to their Government To go to build up a National Union without this Confederation explicit or implicit is verily but gathering Sand for the building and putting no Lime to it And this let me say with all due respect and without offence is that which you are doing and can but do by making our Bishops and our Church if you intend so to be of Divine Institution when the generality of the Dissenters can hereunto yield no Confederation In your behalf therefore do I distinguish of both these things of a National Church and of Episcopacy in genere in specie In genere in genere indefinito a National Church in genere indefinito an Episcopacy are of Divine Appointment But when we come to the consideration of National Church in specie in specie definita as they exist in the Constitutions of several Countries made by Men and of Episcopacy in specie as existing in our Church of England I will suspend my Belief of your saying so the Matter being so apparent otherwise in the mention of it seeing he that says it does no Service really to the Church the Bishops that are wise if they be obeyed as Established by Law caring little for that but Disservice in this respect that the Dissenters by this means if the thing be stood