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A16643 A plaine confutation of a treatise of Brovvnisme, published by some of that faction, entituled: A description of the visible Church In the confutation wherof, is shewed, that the author hath neither described a true gouerment of the Church, nor yet proued, that outward discipline is the life of the Church. Whereunto is annexed an ansvvere vnto two other pamphlets, by the said factioners latelie dispersed, of certaine conferences had with some of them in prison. Wherein is made knowen the inconstancie of this sect, what the articles are which they still maintaine: as also a short confutation of them. There is also added a short ansvvere vnto such argumentes as they haue vsed to proue the Church of England not to be the Church of God. Alison, Richard, controversialist. 1590 (1590) STC 355; ESTC S100153 67,007 148

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the_o corruption_n of_o their_o heart_n three_o that_o our_o ministry_n be_v antichristian_a a_o matter_n handle_v pag._n 125._o the_o scurrility_n in_o call_v they_o hireling_n mercenary_a preacher_n etc._n etc._n deserve_v no_o answer_n the_o name_n of_o parson_n vicar_n etc._n etc._n do_v not_o make_v a_o difference_n in_o the_o ministry_n but_o in_o their_o maintenance_n four_o we_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o popish_a court_n as_o high_a commission_n etc._n etc._n whereunto_o i_o answer_v that_o all_o these_o court_n have_v their_o authority_n from_o her_o majesty_n though_o some_o of_o they_o more_o direct_o than_o the_o other_o in_o consideration_n whereof_o to_o call_v the_o lest_o antichristian_a be_v arrogant_a but_o to_o join_v they_o all_o in_o one_o sentence_n &_o to_o dissuade_v her_o majesty_n subject_n from_o yield_a obedience_n unto_o any_o of_o they_o it_o will_v be_v find_v a_o act_n of_o no_o good_a subject_n yet_o for_o my_o own_o part_n i_o purpose_v not_o to_o 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have_v command_v they_o etc._n etc._n but_o in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n they_o stand_v not_o for_o their_o christian_n liberty_n therefore_o etc._n etc._n answer_n we_o have_v see_v pag._n 49._o &_o 50._o that_o the_o private_a man_n do_v pass_v the_o bond_n of_o his_o call_n in_o presume_v to_o deal_v with_o public_a reformation_n again_o it_o be_v say_v pag._n 45._o that_o in_o the_o visible_a church_n it_o do_v not_o always_o fall_v out_o that_o every_o member_n have_v that_o freedom_n which_o be_v requisite_a in_o the_o performance_n of_o their_o christian_n duty_n of_o his_o call_n the_o proposition_n therefore_o be_v false_a as_o for_o the_o assumption_n in_o differ_v nothing_o from_o the_o three_o former_a it_o do_v commend_v the_o great_a facility_n of_o the_o author_n who_o in_o reason_v in_o so_o small_a variety_n of_o matter_n be_v able_a to_o frame_v so_o great_a a_o change_n of_o argument_n which_o yet_o be_v consider_v of_o do_v appear_v all_o one_o in_o effect_n 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