that they can be saued by Protestancy Q. I see you are of opinion that no Protestant at all can be saued Vvhat Can none of them haue inuincible ignorance Is there so cleer and obuious an euidence of the Roman Catholik being the true Church that none can pretend nor plead ignorance of that truth A. That out of the true Church there is no saluation is a maxim of Faith wherin the holy Fathers agree That the same Church is so visible and preferable before all others that euen the most stupid may as easily see it as a Citty vpon a mountain and therfore are commanded to repair to it is manifest in Scripture That the Roman Catholik hath those cleer marks of Gods fauor which persuade the most scrupulous it is the true Church of God hath bin in the 4. Chapter demonstrated by us and appeareth by those supernatural signs of miracles sanctity conuersion of Nations to Christianity c. which shine in it and haue set it out so gloriously in all ages and places of the world since the preaching of the Apostles That in England there is any corner or person wherin common sense can be so burried or curiosity so dead as to be ignorant of these things and others deliuered by tradition from age to age and year to year is not credible But in case there be any Protestant so neer a beast as not to reflect vpon any thing he sees or heareth of his own or of our Religion his Baptisme will saue him if he did not loose by a mortal sin the grace which he receiued in and by that Sacrament And this is all the comfort I can giue my Protestant friends whose saluation I more heartily wish than those do who delude them with larger opinions Q. This is but very cold comfort Vvill not God grant to som poor ignorant Protestant an act of contrition at least in the last hour A. I think not But if he doth to any it is to som of those stupid Creatures I last spoke of As for others who haue wit and wayes to consider and reflect vpon those doubts which occurr to themselues or are raised in them by the discourse of others their obstinacy or affected ignorance in not listening or inquiring into a matter so important and so easily resolued makes them incapable of so great a fauor as an act of contrition And as for those ernest or bigot Protestants they are in greatest danger of any and furthest from contrition because hauing a cleerer Knowledge of their own religion and spending much time in the meditation therof they must needs haue great doubts if they do not stifle them in their first birth by diuerting their thoughts to more pleasing obiects and by auoyding all occasions of discoursing of protestancy as commonly they do especialy when they perceiue there is any likelihood of laying open the weakness of its principles and the wickedness of the first Reformers Besides an act of contrition inuolues Faith hope and charity and these Protestants not hauing Faith but rather an auersion against hearing of it are not in a disposition fit for contrition which is the greatest grace God doth to his most eminent seruants and the Saints of his own Church Q. Methinks this is very hard I can not as yet comprehend why a deuout Protestant may not be capable of an act of contrition Is protestancy so abominable in the sight of God that he will not turn his mercifull eye towards Protestants Is it wors than other great sins which God doth pardon Is it heresy And if it be may not an heretik haue an act of contrition Is the malice of heresy so great as to exclude Gods mercy A. Vvithout doubt Heresy is the greatest of sins and yet excludes not Gods mercy but an Heretiks conuersion precedes contrition this not being compatible vvith heresy I vvill briefly tell you vvherin consists the malice of heresy and leaue yourself to iudge vvhether protestancy be Heresy The malice of Heresy consists in the contempt of Gods veracity And Gods veracity consists in an infinit inclination to truth An infinit inclination to truth is not consistent vvith a permission of falsood credibly fathered and fastned upon him that permits it if he can easily hinder the same Now the malice of heresy consists in hauing so mean an opinion of Gods veracity or of his inclination to truth that he vvould permit a Church so credibly pretending to be his own as the Roman Catholik doth by its miracles its sanctity its conuersion of Nations to Christianity and other supernatural marks to impose upon the vvorld in his name for so many ages false doctrin for true vvheras it vvas in his power euery moment of all that time to discouer and declare the cheat and disown the doctrin And yet he did not either That our miracles father our doctrin upon God is easily proued for though the first Protestant Reformers and their successors cry out against som of our miracles as false yet they are forc't to confess som of them are true and vve joyn with them in censuring false miracles as such and punish them who feign them as Malefactors Against our conuersion of Nations to Christianity a confessed mark of the true Church they haue nothing to say and as litle against the succession and sanctity of our Doctrin and Doctors Notwithstanding this credible and indeed conuincing appearance of our miracles and of the Roman Catholik Church being the true one commissioned by God to instruct his people yet the Protestants will not belieue it nor submit their iudgments to so authentik an authority nor hearken to the Diuine voice manifesting itself by the cleerest signs and euidence that is consistent with the freedom merit and obscurity of Christian Faith Vvhether this obstinacy be not heresy let the Protestants themselues iudge and examin whether to slight the testimony and signs of such a Church be not a contempt of Gods veracity as supposing he can permit falsood to be so plausibly fatherd upon him as wee see the Roman Catholik doctrin hath bin for so many ages and throughout all parts of the world CHAP. VII OF THE MINISTERY OF THE Church and of the nullity of that of England AS it is necessary that Gods Church should haue visible signs wherby it may be discerned from all heretical Congregations so it is acknowledged that in the same there is a Ministery caracterised with such publik ceremonies and authentik testimonies that there can be no danger of counterfeiting a mission or vocation so sacred In the Christian Church the Ministers are called Bishops and Priests Both are consecrated by a real imposition of Episcopal hands and other ceremonies which haue bin practised in the Church euer since the Apostles from whom by a continual succession the Episcopal caracter must descend and be proued otherwise no credit is to be giuen to any persons claiming to be Bishops of whose ordination Priestood dependeth It was the misfortune of the
the help of the body and if it can act independently of the help of the body it may exist also without help of the same and so the soul is proued to be immortal or not to dye with the body by its acting in the body contrary to the dictamen or appearence of our senses Q. Methinks this argument only proues that the soul may act and by consequence exist independently of the body for som ryme but proueth not that it may exist for euer independently of the body and the immortality of the soul is not euery existen â—ce but an euerlasting existence independent of the boby A. True it is that the immortality of the soul is an euerlasting existence without necessity of the bodyes help or support and as true it is that reason as soon as the soul knowes it self doth direct it to desire and endeauour its own happiness which â—nuolues not only a perpetuity of existence but an euerlasting felicity in the same existence That reasons cleerest act after the soul knowes its own existence is to direct and inspire into the soul a desire and endeauours of its own happiness is manifest not only by that regret and remorse of conscience which men feel when they deuiat from the direction or dictamen of reason but also by the loue which men bear to themselues which loue being confessed to be most euidently rational can not but be directed by the cleerest principle of reason Vvherfore this desire of the souls happiness being directed by the cleerest principle of reason can not be pretended to be a dreame or delusion vnless you will maintain that the cleerest reason is the greatest folly and by consequence destroy the fundamental ground of all human discourse and rational endeauours If therfore the souls desire of euerlasting happiness be grounded vpon so cleer a principle of reason this if it be not folly must haue a real obiect wherunto we are directed and wherwith we may be satisfied without any possibility of mistake and if so 't is as demonstrable that the soul is immortal as it is that the most rational desires and endeauours are not manifest follies and that the fundamental and experimental principles of reason can not be false or fallacious But if any one will be so mad as to grant that the first and fundamental principles of human reason are false and fallacious besides that herin he reflects vpon Gods wisdom goodness and gouernment wherwith such a supposition is not compatible he must grant that there are som other contrary fundamental principles true in opposition wherunto ours are false and fallacious Let him therfore produce them and maintain that it is reasonable in lieu of honoring our parents to hate them in lieu of desiring our happiness to wish our misery c. and if he can not produce any others besides these he can not think it reasonnable we should credit these or feare our selues can be misled so long as we stick close to our own principles of reason and follow that light which shines and euery man sees in certain actions necessarily and naturally assented vnto and therfore common to all mankind CHAP. III. OF THE VVORSHIP OF GOD and the sacrifice due to him Q. Seing you haue proued that there is a God and that the soul is immortal I would willingly know how God ought to be worshipt A. God being the Author of all good Mr Beacoz a learned ProtestaÌ„t in his Tratise intituled the reliâ—ues of Rome edit 1560. f. 344 saith the Mass vvas begotten conceiued and born anone after the Apostles tyme if all be true that Historiographers vvrite Sebastianus Francus an other learned Protestant in his Epistle for abrâ—gating all â—he Canon lavv sayth imâ—â—diatly after the Apostles all things vvere turnd vpside dovvn c. The Lords supper vvas trans formed into a sacrifice Mr Ascham in his Apology for the Lords supper p. 31. doth acknovvledge that no beginning of this change can be chevved The ancieÌ„t rathers call the Mass the visible sacrifice the true sacrifice the dayly sacrifice the sacrifice according to the order of Melchisedech the sacrifice of the body and bloud of Christ the sacrifice of the Altar the sacrifice of the Church and the sacrifice of the nevv Testament See St Ignatius the Apostles Scholar in his Epistle to the Church of Smirna St Irenaeus l. 4. c. 32. of vvhom the Centurists say that he speakes very in comodiously vvhen he sayes that Christ tanght a nevv oblation vvhich the Church receiuing from the Apostles doth offer to God in all the vvorld See Cent. c. 4. col 63. and Cent. 2. cap. 10. col 167. they affirm St Ignatius his vvords to bee dangerous and quasi errorum semina See also Terrul ad scapul cap. 2. Origen in numer hom 23. St Cyprian lib. 2. 3. vers fin St Ambrlib 5. Ep. 33. Missam facere coepit c. St Leo Ep. 81. ad Dioscor St August term 91. de Temp. lib. 9. Confess cap. 12. in Enchird cap. 110. c. Sayes that the Sacrifice of our price vvas offerd for his mother Monica being dead and that it is not to be doubted but that the souls of the dead are relieued vvhen for them is offered the sacrifice of our Mediator c. the only beginning and cause of our existence the end and hopes of our happiness it is fit we exhibit vnto him the greatest honor we can not only euery one in particular by an inward submission of our souls acknowledging his infinit excellencies and our own nothing and imperfections but also by an outward offering or oblation of som visible thing that ought to be consumed or changed therby to own Gods infinit power and Dominion ouer his creatures and consecrated to his Diuine maiesty by a solemn ceremony and publik Minister This way of worship is called a Sacrifice and the publik Minister who offers it is called a Priest It hath bin practised since the beginning of the world as appeareth in the sacrifices of Abel Noe Melchisedech Abraham Isaac Iacob Iob. and others in the law of nature and in the written law of Moyses great part therof is nothing but rules and ceremonies concerning the manner of sacrificing and the habit and method which the Priest ought to obserue in performing that publik ministery Q. Vvhat is the sacrifice of the Christians or of the law of grace A. It is the sacrifice of Christs body and bloud offerd for the liuing and for the dead vnder the species or appearence of bread and wine and is commonly called the Mass Q. Is not the sacrifice of Christs body and bloud as it was offerd vpon the Cross the proper sacrifice of Christians or of the Catholik Church A. It is the most excellent sacrifice that euer was offered nay all other sacrifices in the law of nature of Moyses and of grace did and do deriue their virtue and efficaciousness from the sacrifice of the Cross but because
in ouercoming this last great difficulty consists chiefly the supernaturality which is most peculiar to the act of Faith Heretiks therfore may be conuicted of obstinacy and heresy though they do not cleerly see nor we euidently conclude by tradition or any thing else that God reuealed what they deny or doubt of and the Church proposeth as reuealed by him For heresy doth not consist in an impossibility but it would be one if it were requisit that learned heretiks be obstinat against a cleer and conclusiue euidence of God hauing reuealed what they deny or doubt of How can any passion or pride blind a learned heretik if it depriues him not wholy of his wits and then he can not sin or be an heretik so far as to make him deny or doubt of what he sees euidently concluded God sayd or reuealed That were to deny God is God or the existence of a Deity A learned heretik therfore can not be better or more cleerly conuicted of heretical obstinacy than by our euidently concluding against him that he is obliged in conscience to auoyd the threatned danger of damnation if he doth not belieue the Church whose testimony is confirmed with Miracles to assent to that doctrin as Diuine which is deliuered by Catholik Tradition and confirmed by the motiues of credibility though it be not cleerly euident that its doctrin is Diuine or its tradition infallible More of this hereafter Now I will proue the euident obligation all men who are informed of our Faith haue to belieue the doctrin of the Roman Catholik Church as Diuine as also how they are obliged in conscience to inform themselues therof CHAP. V. HOVV THE MIRACLES OF THE Roman Church euidently conuict all its Aduersaries of damnable obstinacy and hovv a credible report of them obligeth all men to inform themselues of those miracles and doctrin confirmed by them and that of all Christian Congregations the Roman Catholik alone is the true Catholik Church Q. Supposing the Catholik Church can not be composed of all or any two Congregations dissenting in the least point of doctrin as hath bin proued in the precedent Chapter I desire to know which of them all is that one true Catholik Church we ought to belieue according to that article of the Apostles Creed I belieue in the holy Catholik Church and out of which there is no saluation A. You know the true Catholik Church is only that Congregation of Christians which hath the signs Christ sayd Marc. 16. should follow the true belieuers and that those signes are the casting out of Deuills not by coniuring but in the name of Christ the gift of tongues the conuersion of Nations to Christianity the curing of diseases raising of the dead and other supernatural marks of Gods trust and truth committed only to the ministery of that Church and by which marks iâ— must be discerned from all false Congregations pretending to be either the whole or a part of the Catholik Church Q. Out of your discourse I gather that all the markes of the true Catholik Church are reduced to miracles because supernatural sanctity the conuersion of Nations to Christianity the gift of profecy c. are as great miracles as the casting out of Deuills curing diseases raising the dead and the gift of tongues But it is a common saying among Protestants that miracles are ceased in the Church and som Catholiks grant they are so few and wrought in those remote regions of Iapan and China that you can hardly meet with one who did euer see a miracle How therfore can miracles be the marks wherby euery man may be directed to know the true Catholik Church if few or none see them A. I grant that all the marks of the Catholik Church must be miraculous otherwise they were not fit motiues for prudent men to submit their iudgments to the testimony or ministery of that Church as to the Church of God But miracles are not ceased nor confind to those remote regions of Iapan and China There is not a Catholik Nation in the world which doth not shew som things at least so like supernatural miracles that as wise and wary men as any in Christendom belieue them to be so And such Protestants as pretend they are not can not with any probability shew that the matter of fact is false or that the manner of working them is fraudulent or natural seing therfore Christ himself assures vs that supernatural miracles shall follow the true belieuers and that vntill the end of the world there will be true belieuers and by consequence a Catholik Church we are bound in conscience to belieue that only is the true Church wherin we see or at least heare credibly reported there are true miracles or things so like true miracles that as wise and as wary men as any in the world after a seuere scrutiny and serious study mistake them for true miracles notwithstanding they know that vpon their not being mistaken in so important a matter doth depend their euerlasting happiness or misery Dr Dovvnham in hiâ— Treatise of Antichrist l. 1. c. 9. pag. 111. saith neither Turks nor Ievves nor any other Churches of Christians but only the Pope and Church of Rome do vaunt of miracles Q. Is there but one Congregation of Christians that pretends to such miracles A. No. Q. Vvhich is that A. The Roman Catholik Q. If all other Christian Congregations be against the Roman Catholik and that in euery Christian Congregation there be as wise and wary men and as willing to be saued as any Roman Catholiks why should any man be bound in conscience to belieue the Roman Catholik miracles are true when as great or a greater number of wise and learned men do maintain they are not true miracles A. Vvhen learned parties agree in the fact of an accident so extraordinary that no natural cause therof after diligent scarch can be knowen but seemes to be aboue the power of all natural causes and human industry doubtless the party which belieues the fact to be supernatural or a miracle deserues to be credited before all which contradict the same and can giue no good reason for their contradiction 1. Because in som Christian Congregation or other there must be true miracles otherwise Christs words Marc. 16. can not be verified And seing no other Christian Congregation but the Roman Catholik pretends at least vpon so publik and probable grounds to haue true miracles the Roman Catholik is to be credited in this point before all others 2. It is not consistent with Gods infinit veracity to permit so publik and probable an appearance of true miracles for confirming falsood as the appearance of miracles in the Roman Catholik Church is For that veracity is an inclination to truth and an auersion from falsood and by consequence the Diuine veracity being infinit inuolues an infinit auersion from falsood But an infinit auersion from falsood is not consistent with Gods permission of so probable
Christ as offered vpon the Cross is a general fountain of graces and pardons and the foundation of the sacrifices of the old as well as of the new Testament wherof they all were but types or figures therfore that Diuine and bloudy sacrifice of the Cross can not be so peculiarly attributed to the law of grace as to be called the proper sacrifice of the Christian and Catholik Church Q. Is not the sacrifice of the Cross and the sacrifice of the Mass the same sacrifice A. They differ not in the substance because the same Christ is offerd in both and Christ himself is the chief Priest in Both. But they differ in the manner for in the sacrifice of the Mass Christ is offered vnder the species or appearance of bread and wine and in the Cross he was offered in his own shape Q. If the substance of the sacrifice be the same what need is there of that of the Mass is it not sufficient that Christ offered himself vpon the Cross once for all A. It is a general rule grounded vpon reason and the concurrence or custom of all Nations which euer professed any Religion that euery particular Religion must haue its sacrifice peculiar to itself because Religion being Diuine worship and sacrifice being an action professing the Diuinity of that which is worshipt it inuolues a contradiction to say Religion and no sacrifice or to say that a religion can continue and the sacrifice therof not continue Seing therfore the Christian and Catholik Religion doth continue and that the bloudy sacrifice of the Cross or Christs passion doth not continue the sacrifice of the Cross can not be the proper and peculiar sacrifice of the Christian Religion and Catholik Church Q. It is not sufficient that the effects of the sacrifice of the Cross continue in the Church though Christ suffered but once for the cause may be sayd to continue in its effects A. It can not be properly sayd that the cause continues in its effects Otherwise it might be properly sayd that the Priestood and sacrifice of Noe after the deluge chap. 8. Gen doth yet continue because the effect therof viz. the assurance of not suffering an other deluge doth and will continue vntill the end of the world Q. If all the sins of the world be pardoned or at least be sufficiently satisfied for by the sacrifice of the Cross what vse is there for the sacrifice of the Mass or how can it be a propitiatory sacrifice in virtue wherof sins are pardon'd and satisfied for A. It is not against the sufficiency or infinitness of the sacrifice of the Cross that sins be forguien and satisfied for by the sacrifice of the Mass not only because the same Christ is offered in both sacrifices but because the sacrifice of the Mass is a commemoration of that of the Cross and doth apply the sufficiency of the same to the pardon of particular sins that were not committed before Christs passion as we say of Baptism and other Sacraments And if the sacrifices of the old testament were propitiatory in virtue of Christs passion before he came to the world there can be no ground to deny that the sacrifice of the Mass is a Propitiatory sacrifice in virtue of the same passion after that he sufferd CHAP. IV. OF THE CHVRCH OF GOD and of Diuine faith Q. Though I know that they who worship God as he commands are his Church yet there being so many Congregations of Christians pretending themselues alone to be those worshipers and the true Church or at least a part therof I would willingly know whether there be any certain and cleer signes wherby the true Church and its members may be discerned from all false and heretical Congregations and what signes these are I am satisfied that any two or more Congregations dissenting in any doctrin can not constitute that Catholik Church out of which there is no saluation because such Congregations can not haue either vnity or verity in that doctrin wherin they disagree and by consequence seing God who is truth itself and infinitly auers from falsood can no more countenance or confirm with supernatural signs the least than the greatest falsood that Church or Churches which propose contradictory Tenets whether fundamental or not fundamental can no more be the Catholik or part therof than God can forfeit his veracity or incline and oblige men to belieue contradictory points wherof one must needs be false A. That there are certain and cleer signes wherby the true Catholik Church of God may be discerned from all false and heretical Congregations is as euident as Gods veracity and his inclination to truth or as it is that God did not institute a Church wherin there could be no peace concord or order but all must haue bin disorder confusion and dissention For if the testimony of euery of those Congregations were as credible by supernatural signs of their being the true Church as they are confident in their pretentions of being so the most learned and prudent men might liue and dye safely in the state of perplexity and all the world at best must haue bin seekers or sceptiks and there being no reason in such a case to belieue why rather one sect than an other should be the true Church Therfore God being the Author of truth peace order and vnity his Church can not be a Congregation of dissenting or perplexed people changing from one faith to an other for want oâ— discernable and supernatural signes which none but the true Church ought to haue to the end all men may find it out and therby be directed to embrace the true Diuine worship and doctrin These signes must be supernatural that is signes aboue the sphere and power of natural causes at least they must seem so not only to the vulgar people but to the wisest men and greatest Doctors after a diligent scrutiny and mature consideration of all causes and circumstances because they must be such as produce in us an euident obligation of belieuing that God alone is the Author of the Doctrin proposed as Diuine and that he hath authorised that Church to propose the same The signs must not only be obseruable but obuious to euery vulgar comprehension and perceptible euen by our senses The reason is because many of the mysteries which are to be belieued with Diuine faith exceed human capacity and therfore as well the learned as the ignorant are to be instructed therin by the Church and must take its testimony for a sufficient proof of their obligation to belieue without doubting that God reuealed those things which it proposeth in his name and they can not comprehend though they be credibly reuealed Now to belieue that things so difficult as many mysteries which the Church proposeth are true and reuealed by God and that any man or Congregation of men is authorised by his Diuine authority to propose and press such things vpon our vnderstandings this belief I say can not
connexion though I see it not nay t is therfore I can belieue it because I do not see it Faith requiring that what is belieued be not seen It would indeed be a contradiction to say I see and do not see the infallibility of Tradition or of Faith but t is not any to say I do not see and do belieue that infallibility It may be as well sayd a man who is blind and infallibly or securely led by a knowing Guide through a dangerous way doth see his ruin or danger because he doth not see his own safety or the infallibility of his Guide though he belieues himself secure from all danger Q. Is it not cleerly euident that God can not permit falfood to be so authenticaly proposed in his name as the Roman Catholik Church doth her doctrin by so continued a tradition and so surprising signs as her miracles sanctity conuersion of Nations c. A. Though I am of opinion God can not permit such an appearance of Diuine truth to be a mistake yet our vnderstandings being so imperfect it would be presumption in vs to define or pretend to demonstrat what God can do or not do Vve only know he can not sin But we do â—ot know scientificaly whether he may not 〈◊〉 to punish the sins of some permit the Church to err and the world to be deluded by their cleerest and most frequent â—ensations wherupon as our Aduersary sayeth the certainty of Catholik Tradition is grounded And though both Scripture and Tradition say the Church shall neuer fail or err yet we do not pretend to cleer euidence that either Scripture or Tradition is Gods word SVBSECT HOVV A MAN MAY ASSENT in matters of Faith vvith more assurance than there is appearance of the truth Q. If it be not cleerly euident to us by the tradition of the Roman Catholik Church nor by Gods veracity that he reuealed its doctrin how can we assent or belieue with infallible certainty or assurance that God reuealed it Is it in our power or euen in Gods power to make vs affirm inwardly and certainly any thing we not knowing whether it be so or no How therfore can we affirm inwardly and certainly the truth of the Trinity or that God reueald it if we know it not cleerly either by Gods veracity or by the tradition of the Church A. Assents grounded vpon authority differ in this from assents grounded vpon cleer knowledge that the certainty of these are deriued from and measured by the cleer sight and euidence we haue of their truth or of the obiects being as they are affirm'd to be But the certainty of assents grounded vpon authority is not deriued from or measured by any cleer euidence or sight of their truth but by the persuasion we haue of the persons we belieue his knowledge and inclination to truth Now all men who admit of a God being most certainly persuaded that he is infinitly inclined to truth they may and ought to assent with the greatest assurance and certainty imaginable that God did realy reueale all that which the Church proposeth as Diuine doctrin for though wee do not see this truth in the mystery or matter deliuered by Catholik tradition nor in that euidence which our sensations giue to tradition itself yet by reflecting vpon Gods infinit auersion from falsood and vpon our own persuasion of his infinit veracity and seing so great an appearance of his being deeply engaged and concerned for the truth of a Churches testimony that lookes so like his own affirming the doctrin to be Diuine we are bound in conscience to belieue without the least doubt or at least we are bound to endeauor to belieue without doubt which must be a rational endeauor seing our obligation of endeauoring is so euident to us that God is the Author of the Roman Catholik doctrin and hath reueald it for if he had not he would neuer permit the same to be so plausibly and probably proposed as Diuine by Miracles and other signs of the Church that prudent and learned men must sin in being obstinat against its doctrin and testimony And this is that we mean when we say that we apply the Diuine veracity to euery particular point of faith not by seing the reuelation itself in the tradition or testimony of the Church for then we could not deny its doctrin was reueald nor be heretiks but by hauing so much veneration for Gods veracity that whensoeuer it seemes to be so publikly engaged and prudently belieued as we see it is in the Roman Catholik Church God speakes or reuealeth what it proposeth as his word Q. Methinks the veneration we haue for God and his veracity ought rather oblige vs not to assent to any doctrin as spoken or reuealed by him vnless it be cleerly euident to vs that he spoke or reuealed it for if we do otherwise we expose his holy name to contempt and ourselues to damnation by uenturing to father what we fancy vpon God when perhaps he neuer sayd or reuealed what we imagined A. It s a prerogatiue due to soueraignty and a fortiori to the Deity to speake and command by Ministers and inferior officers which beare the badges of the royal authority And it is not only a disrespect but obstinacy and rebellion not to obey lawes and commands so authenticaly proposed So likewise it must be not only a sin of disrespect and contempt but of heretical obstinacy not to belieue that God speakes or commands by the Roman Catholik Church when its testimony and tradition of hauing Gods trust and authority to declare that he speakes or reueales its doctrin is authenticaly proposed by signs so supernatural in appearance that no human authority is so authentik and no other Church can or dares pretend to the like The more soueraign is any superiority and veracity the greater obligation there is in subiects not to exact for their obedience therunto or belief therof cleerer euidence of its commanding than is usual and sufficient in human affairs when Princes proclaim or command And the more infallible the veracity of him is who claimes the authority if this be authenticaly proposed the greater is the obligation of assenting inwardly therunto without cleerer euidence that it proceeds from the infallible Author of the same than such a moral certainty as the signs of the Church create this being the cleerest that is consistent with the nature liberty obscurity and obsequiousness of Christian Faith Q. Ought there not to be in the true Church an euident and conclusiue argument against heretiks and Pagans to let them see their obstinacy by shewing cleerly to them that God reuealed what they deny to be true or to be matter of Faith A. If men were to be saued by Demon. strations or cleer knowledges deduced one from the other what you say were fit and necessary But God hauing decreed to saue men by Faith rather than by science by a meritorious and free rather than a necessary or
be no excuse before that dreadfull Iudge who takes no other euidence but that of our own conscience This only we must consult in matters of Eternity and not think that a Clergy or Religion established by a temporal law is lawfull though it should be called legal by an Act of Parlament Q. Sir I haue seen the Registers of Lambeth you would haue me suspect as forged I assure you I see no sign of forgery in them And as for Bishop Iuels not answering Doctor Harding demand concerning the first Protestant Bishops and particularly Parkers Consecrator perhaps he thought it an idle question and underualued so weak an obiection A. Forged Registers are often the most formal all counterfeit ware standing in need of being set forth with great artifice Vve haue seen Registers and Records of publik Courts of Iudicature so artificialy changed and corrupted that nothing but their not being produced many years before when they were called for could conclude the forgery Doctor Harding called for the Registers of the first protestant Bishops Consecration as well as for the Consecraters name Neither did B. Iuel contemn this demand as you imagin He went as far in the answer as he durst He answered 1. that the first protestant Bishops in the beginning of Queen Elizabeths reign were consecrated in due form by Archbishop Parker their Metropolitan But being again pressed by Harding to name Parkers Consecrator he put off that impertinent question wherof the whole controuersy and the credit of the Church of England depended by a wild digression and long discourse of the ancient Bishops being consecrated without aquainting the Pope But sure Mr Iuel might aquaint Doctor Harding with the name of him who consecrated Parker as well as he named Parker for Consecrator of the other Bishops and certainly would if Parker himself had bin realy consecrated by a Bishop If you do not belieue my relation read Doctor Hargings bookes against Iuel and Iuels own Apology for the Church of England where they treat of this particular Q. Gentlemen I would to God you did agree among yourselues and not break the Layties heads with your disputes You haue put so many doubts into mine that I can hardly belieue any thing On both sides you seem to bee honest and learned men therfore I think my best way is to continue in the Church of England and trust in God that I shall not be damn'd for not being of that of Rome untill I be better satisfied that the points wherin it differs from ours are necessary for saluation And this requiring longer time the particulars being so many than I am like to liue t' is not credible God would oblige me or any other illiterat person to spend our dayes rather in controuersies than in prayer and good works and in the end be as litle satisfied with ourselues as our and your Clergy are with one an other Yourselues grant that implicit Faith is sufficient for such ignorant people as I am that Faith I am sure I haue for I do belieue all that God reuealed though I do not know what it is he reuealed or whether he hath apointed the Church of Rome rather than that of England to instruct the world and inform us of his reuelations And truly I belieue a man may be saued without troubling himself to know which of them it is that God hath apointed for our instruction prouided we be redy to be members therof when that shall be made cleer to us by better arguments than I am able to inquire after A. This is so dangerous doctrin that I iudge it worth my pains to shew yet further the obligation the most illiterat men haue to search after the true Church and how easiâ—y they may find it out by visible signs and how you may without any help but that of common sense be satisfied of the truth of euery particular point of doctrin wherin Roman Catholiks differ from Protestants And all this in the space of less than two houres time Q. Nay Sir if you perform your undertaking I deserue to be damn'd for all Eeternity if I will nor hear you for so short a time as two hours I pray Sir proceed CHAP. VIII HOVV EVERY ILLITERAT PERSON may easily and in the space of two houres find out the true Church and the truth of euery point of doctrin controuerted betvveen Catholiks and Protestants VVHen the people of Israel were most diuided in matters of Religion 3. Reg. 8. the Prophet Elias made a motion to them of cleering the truth by that famous dogmatical Miracle of burning an Ox upon the Altar without kindling the fire under it This cleer and compendious way was hugely approued of by the multitude as suting best with their capacities for they needed not learning to dispute their eyes were sufficient Iudges and they had so much common sense as to know that God would not permit a falsood to be confirmd by a miracle in so publik a trial wherin his Veracity was so particularly concerned The Prophets therfore of Baal durst not refuse so fair an offer as Elias made in their presence and I hope the Protestant Clergy will be ashamed to refuse mine Let us not delude the people with school subtilities or obscure texts of scripture If the Church of England or Scotland or any other reformed one be the true Church and its doctrin the true doctrin let that be tried by miracles I shall try ours of Rome by that test I challenge then all the Bishops and Ministers of the Church of England and all others of the Reformation or all the Protestants of the world to work or mention any one miracle euer yet wrought by any Protestant to confirm any one point of doctrin wherin they differ from the Roman Catholik Gentlemen summon your Sinods search into all histories profane and sacred set your heads together and produce at least som probable testimony of as much as one miracle to grace your Reformations And if you can not find undoubted miracles at least shew som thing that lookes like a miracle som thing that may be mistaken for one wherof the falsood or fraud hath not bin as yet discoured such as you say many of ours are Perhaps you will pretend that your Protestants are not so easily foold with false miracles as our Roman Catholiks But this must be a gift and priuilege of your priuat spirit for the Spaniards Italians and French are not by nature so dull as our Northen Protestants and are as loath to be cheated out of their moneys by Masses Miracles Pilgrimages and other pretexts of deuotion as you are And yet they belieue such Miracles as haue bin motiues for the Popes or people to Canonize our Saints and those also wherby Heathens and heretiks haue bin conuerted to our Religion Q. I doubt not Sir but that the Catholiks are as unlikely and loath to be imposed vpon as Protestants therfore I would fain heare som of those undeniable miracles
Diuine And if Transubstantiation the Mass Intercession of Saints worship of Images Purgatory c. be not sufficiently proposed as Diuine doctrin by the testimony of the Church and these Miracles of St Bernard and other Roman Catholik Saints and in a coniuncture that the same doctrin was as much questioned by the Henricians Aug. l. 22. de Ciuit. Dei c. 8. ad sanctuÌ„ Martyrem orare perrexerunt c. He that belieueth in me the vvorks that I do he shall do and greater Ioan. 14. Nazian in Epitaph Gorgoniae Orat. II. saith Prostrating herself before the Altar and calling upon him vvho vvas honoured and vvorshipt therupon O admirable thing she presently felt her self deliuered from her siâ—ness and so she returned eased both in body and mind c. as now it is by Protestants neuer any doctrin hath bin yet sufficiently proposed as Diuine nay not the doctrin of Elias nor of Christ himself because neither hath bin confirmed by greater Miracles than ours I need not repeat others more ancient as that which St Austin sayes he was witness of when Palladia recouered her sight by praying to St Steuen or that vvhich St Gregory Nazianzen recounts of his sister Gorgonia recouering sudenly her health by adoring the blessed Sacrament vpon the Altar or that of the Image of Christ erected by the woman he cured of her flux wherof see Eusebius hist lib. 7. c. 14. or that of the Crucifix in Berito alleged in 2. Concill Nissen act 4. or that recounted by Optatus l 1. contra Donatistas to confirm the reseruing and taking the Communion in one Kind as also the holy oyle or Chrisme or that of the person raised from death to receiue the extreme Vnction mentioned by St Bernard in vit Malach. Or that of Confession related by St Bede hist l. 5. cap. 14. These and innumerable others are superfluous seing those of St Bernard are sufficient to conuince that no Protestant who hath so much sense as to belieue Gods goodness and veracity can be saued if he denyes any one particular of the Roman Catholik doctrin when he is credibly informed that this authority is confirmed by such Miracles as those of Saint Bernard and other Saints of our Church which are related in the publik Acts and Process of their Canonization AN HVMBLE ADRESS To the Honorable House of Commons MAy it please you Honorable Sirs who are the Preseruers of our liberties except the chief which is that of conscience to take in good part that the meanest of his Maiesties subiects humbly beg of you to consider whether it be not a damnable sin to persecute Souls for professing the Religion of your Christian Ancestors confirmed by so many credible signs of Gods approbation and protection that the wisest and wariest men of the whole world both in this and former ages were conuinc't they were true Miracles and yourselues haue no reason to belieue the contrary but that preiudice wherunto the principles of your education from your infancy and the interest of your Teachers led you before you could discern the truth of their doctrin or the intricacy of their design Reflect I beseech you upon the frailty of your Ministers and the fallibility of your Church and weigh with yourselues whether it be not more credible that your English Congregation seasoned with two such Ingredients as frailty and fallibility may be mistaken in mysteries of Faith than that God would permit the whole Catholik world and such men as Saint Bernard and the other Roman Catholik Saints to be deluded and seduced by the Deuils lying prodigies and that in a conjuncture when Gods veracity and honor Iay at the stake in a publik trial of true and false doctrin Vvould any of yourselues stand by in such an occasion as an idle spectator or unconcerned person and permit a Rogue or a Fool clad in your liuery produce counterfeit letters and deliuer seditious orders in your name Vvould any of you suffer poor people who wish you well to be destroyd by such wicked practises Vvould you condescend so far with your greatest Ennemy as to wink at his malice and at the uniust meanes he applied to ruin your well meaning Tenants or friends Certainly you would disclaim in the fourbery and neuer wink at a fraud so preiudicial to the people and as contrary to your noble inclinations as to the principles of honor and truth which you profess Be pleased then to haue as good an opinion of Gods inclination to honor and truth as of your own Let not the first impressions vpon your tender undiscerning years grown at unawares into a settleness through education and custom blind your riper and more manly iudgments to be persuaded God can permit such Miracles as we haue recounted to be only mistakes of the Roman Church and human or Diabolical artifices or that he would suffer his greatest Enemy to seduce innocent Souls by cheats so like supernatural seales of the Diuine doctrin and ministery that such prudent learned and conscientious men as the Roman Catholik Church hath had in all ages could after a seuere scrutiny conclude to be the work of Gods omnipotency and aboue the power of all natural causes This well considered will I hope make you more Kind to your Roman Catholik Kindred and Neighbors and to the Religion of all your Ancestors before Queen Elizabeths reign But if you slight this humble aduice grounded vpon so cleer euidence I feare that God who is a jealous God and no less concerned for his honor and veracity than infinit goodness and an infinit auersion from falsood inclines him to be will visit you in the fury of his iustice and deny to you in your greatest need that mercy which yee deny to tender consciences he will heare the loud cryes of innocent bloud which penetrat the Heauens when they find no relief vpon earth God direct you in all your wayes and resolutions and make us either thankfull for your moderation or strengthen us with constancy and patience against your persecution FINIS AN APPENDIX HOVV RATIONAL IT IS NOT to exact more then moral euidence in matters of Faith The Author of Sure footings doctrin în that particular explaind by himself and vindicated from the Censure of the deceased Author of Religion and Gouernment Q. No body questions but that Gods reuelation and authority if it appeares sufficiently applyed to the Church proposing and deciding matters of Faith doth oblige all men euen the most scrupulous and subtile Doubters and Dissenters to submit their iudgments and inward assents therunto My doubt is whether the Diuine reuelation and authority can be sufficiently applyed to the Church unless we see that application proued by cleer and conclusiue euidence As for your often repeated Parallell between God and Soueraings there is a uast disparity between the Royal and Diuine authority as to the sufficiency of their proposal The Royal authority is sufficiently proposed as such by a moral euidence of its
true or false If he will resolue to conferr or rather to conster the vvords of the book you vvill easily iudge of the truth by their sense to which you must keep him and the Catholik also without any other digressions or discourses all your buisness must be to know vvhether the Miracle or matter of fact be so in the book as I told you and that you may know from any honest man vvho can read and understand it as vvell perhaps better than from your Protestant Minister or Bishop As for the answers vvhich the most learned Protestants giue to the argument of our miracles they are so vveak that none but vvicked and obstinat persons can be satisfied ther with Their first answer is that our miracles haue bin feigned by idle Monks This is so damnd an answer that they dare not stick to it because it is not possible that such publik transactions as St Bernards or St Dominiks preaching and Miracles against the Henricians and Albigenses could be imposed vpon the world there being as many Obseruers as there vvere persons either curious or concernd in two so contrary parties Vvhy did not som one of the Henricians or Albigenses publish and declare the imposture vvhen their Religion vvas so discredited therby Vvhy should Pope Alexander 3. venter to be laught at and deposed from the Apostolik see for canonizing St Bernard 12. years after his death if his Miracles vvere not so authentik that they could not be contradicted Vvhat design could the world and that age haue in conspiring to impose such Miracles vpon their friends and posterity and in damning themselues therby for St Bernards sake The same argument may be applied to St Dominik St Francis St Vincent Ferrer St Francis Xauier or to any other of our Roman Church vvhose miracles haue bin vvrought in publik assemblies and not contradicted as false or fraudulent by any of those ages that vvere vvitnesses to them or vvherin they vvere first spoke of And this is of such force that our Protestant Aduersaries grant it to be true and therfore recurr to the Deuills power for their answer and the confutation of our Miracles as the obstinat Iewes did against them of Christ VVHETHER TRADITION TOGETHER vvith the Miracles of Christ and of the Church do demonstrat or undeniably conclude that God reueald the articles of Christian Faith Or vvhether they only demonstrat or cleerly proue that vve are obliged under pain of damnation to belieue that God reuealed them And vvhether it be cleerly euident or more than moraly euident that they are true supernatural Miracles Q. I do think the Parallell between Christs Miracles and those of the Roman Catholik Church or between the obstinat Iewes and the Protestants doth not hold Christs Miracles vvere so euidently supernatural or Diuine that if the obstinat Iewes vvould consider the visible circumstances therof they could not deny them to be true and Diuine Miracles But the Miracles of the Roman Catholik Church I speake of the most authentik are no such for vve Protestants examin and consider all the circumstances of them and yet vve can and do deny them to be true Diuine Miracles A. The parallell doth hold and you will think so if you reflect upon it 1. It is a mistake to belieue that Christs Miracles were so cleerly supernatural and Diuine as to force an assent or acknowledgment of their being so from the Iewes and Gentils that saw them and therfore could not but admire them and consider their surprising circumstances For if the Miracles had appeared to them supernatural and undeniably true no assent of their Faith could be a free act and that vvherwith St Peter own'd Christs Diuinity Math. 16. and for vvhich he deserued to be made the Rock or foundation of the Church vvould not haue bin so particularly applauded and rewarded by Christ himself the other Apostles hauing seen and considered as much as he the Miracles of Christ vvhich moued St Peter to that Confession of Faith and yet no assent of Christs Diuinity flowed necessarily from that their sight and confideration neither vvas it forc't from St Peter but vvas a free act and assent of his after seing all the Miracles and considering their circumstances to say Thou art Christ Son of the liuing God The obstinat Iewes therfore did consider all circumstances of Christs person and Miracles as much as those vvho belieued them to be Diuine nay more because the Scribes Pharisees and the Doctors of the law searcht and pry'd more narowly into his actions and were better able to iudge of their being natural or supernatural than most of those who belieued his Miracles vvere Diuine and himself the Messias And this appeareth in many passages as in that of the blind man vvhom they cast out of the Synagogue for they understood the Miracle better than himself and vvere sufficiently conuinc't of the cure and matter of fact It vvas not therfore vvant of consideration of the circumstances of Christs person and Miracles that made the learned Iewes obstinat but their abundance of pride vvhich made them auerse from submitting their iudgments to Christs doctrin notwithstanding they had moral euidence of the Diuinity of his person and of the supernaturality of his Miracles Q. I can not comprehend how Christs Miracles or any others can oblige men to belieue his doctrin or conuince them of obstinacy and heresy for not belieuing it and his Diuinity unless it be first made cleerly and undeniably euident to them that the Miracles are true and supernatural As for your Moral euidence of their being true Miracles it is not strong enough to build therupon so absolute an assurance as is requisit in our acts or assents of Christian Faith vvhich excludes all doubts and euen all moral possibility of falsood A. I often told you that the certainty and assurance of Christian Faith is not grounded vpon the euidence of Christs Miracles or any others of his Church being true Miracles or of its Tradition being infallible but upon Gods Veracity vvhich is so infinitly auers from all Kind of falsood that he will no more permit any to be so probably and plausibly fathered upon him as the Roman doctrin is than positiuely promote it Now Christs Diuinity and the doctrin of the Roman Catholik Church being confirmed by such prodigies and signs as haue a moral euidence of being supernatural and true Miracles this makes it moraly euident to all men that none but God is Author of that doctrin and of the prodigies which confirm it This moral euidence of God being the Author is not indeed as you say strong enough to beare and ground upon itself the assurance of an assent or act of Christian Faith but it is a prudent and sufficient inducement to belieue most certaintly and without any Kind of doubt that God would not permit so great an appearance of his authority as the miracles of Christ and of the Roman Church manifestly shew to all the
world to be a cheat or any thing less than his own great Seal wherfore at the sight therof all men are bound under pain of damnation to belieue God alone is the Author of Christs and the Roman Churches Miracles and doctrin iust as subiects are bound under pain of death to obey the King and Magistrats Orders when signed and sealed with the usual and authentik marks of their supreme authority They are bound I say to obey though they haue only moral euidence that he is King and that his Seal and Orders are true and not conterfeit Q. Methinks this argument may be retorted against your self For if notwithstanding the moral euidence we haue of such persons being our Parents or lawfull Kings and of their seales and Orders not being counterfeit we are bound only to honor and obey them in our outward actions but wee are not bound to assent inwardly without any Kind of doubt that such men are our Parents or our legitimat Kings or that their hands and seales are not counterfeit If I say this moral euidence can not oblige us to such inward assurances and assents how can the moral euidence of Christs and the Roman Churches Miracles being true and supernatural Miracles oblige us under pain of damnation to belieue vvithout any Kind of doubt Christs Diuinity and the Roman Catholik doctrin At least this much followeth from hence that the moral euidence of the aforsaid Miracles and signs of the Church can only exact from us an outward conformity to its decrees not an inward assent to its doctrin A. The extent of euery authority ought to be measured by its appearance If its appearance be only human or natural it reacheth no further than to regular those outward moral actions which are necessary for the gouernment and peace of the Commonwealth it hath not any thing to do vvith directing the soul by inward acts and undoubted assents to its supernatural end If the appearence of the authority be supernatural and moraly euident to us by prodigies profecies or other visible signs that it is so then it claimes a iurisdiction ouer the soul and may exact from it such inward acts and assents as are proportionable to that supernatural end for vvhich God hath instituted his Church and adornd it vvith those Diuine marks and miracles vvhich Christ himself mentions Marc. 16. and haue bin visible in the Roman Catholik euer since the Apostles This undeniable Maxim being layd as a foundation there can be no difficulty in seing the disparity there is between the human authority of Commonwealths and the spiritual and supernatural of the Church by virtue of their different appearances the miracles and signs of the Church making so supernatural a shew as to declare God alone is the Author of its doctrin and authority is extended to the soul and to the inward acts and assents therof regulating them as it is fit for the saluation of mankind No human or natural authority of Kings or temporal Princes can reach so far because the appearance therof is only natural Q. Vvill not the appearance of Anti-Christs Miracles be supernatural Did not those of the Magitians of Egipt look like supernatural and indiscernable from those of Moyses How then can a supernatural appearance or a moral euidence of prodigies being true Miracles exact or pretend to any authority ouer our inward acts of the will and understanding shall we submit our iudgments to Anti-Christs doctrin because his Miracles will seem to be supernatural If not why should we submit our iudgments to the Roman Catholik Church because it s most authentik Miracles seem to be supernatural A. This argument only proues that true Miracles euen those of Christ do not cleerly euidence or conclude their own supernaturality or their being true Miracles It is so hard a matter to distinguish between true and false or Anti Christian Miracles that our Sauior sayes euen the elect would be seduced by the last if for their sake and by Gods particular prouidence those dayes would not be shortned and therfore he warnes his Disciples and all the faithfull to beware of Anti-Christs Miracles for ressembling so much his own and giues certain signs wherby men may discouer that he who works them is Anti-Christ Christs Miracles therfore as those also of the Church being first and as it were in possession of Gods authority by being his great seale and confirming his doctrin do by that precedency and Christs prediction of conterfeit Miracles manifest their supernaturality in a different manner from Antichrists and all other lying prodigies which haue bin or will be wrought to confirm any doctrin contrary to that of the Catholik Church Out of all which we conclude that euen Christs Miracles and à fortiori those of the Church if taken without his prediction and their own precedency do not cleerly euidence to us that they are true Miracles and by consequence can not cleerly euidence to us the Diuinity of Christ or that God reuealed the articles of Christian Religion And the same must be sayd of Catholik Tradition euen as it is confirmed by these Miracles of the Church So that this Tradition is not the Motiue but the Rule of Faith vvhich directs us infallibly though not cleerly to Gods reuelations and therfore doth not demonstrat or undeniably conclude that euer God reuealed any one article of that Faith though the same Tradition as confirmed by the signs of the Church doth demonstrat or at least undeniably proue that we are obliged under pain of damnation to belieue and that most certainly that God reuealed euery point which the Roman Catholik Church doth propose as an article of Faith This much of Miracles in general Now let us return to Saint Bernards and consider it in particular St Bernard makes the same proposal to the Henricians and people about Tolouse that Elias made to the Iewes and Baalists He appeald to Gods omnipotency for the manifestation of the truth And spoke with such confidence of success as if the attempt of the miracle had not only bin consulted with God but had bin commanded by him Consider now I pray whether it be credible to any person that hath common sense or whether it be consistent with Gods infinit veracity and goodness that vpon so publik a trial of both and wherof depended the damnation or saluation of so many Souls God would play the Neuter and permit the Deuill abuse the sincerity and sanctity of Saint Bernard to seduce the poor simple people by working Miracles which saint Bernard himself and the wisest of that age took to be Diuine and were in appearance as much aboue the power of nature as those were which Christ wrought If this be as inconsistent with common sense as it is with Christianity not one illiterat Protestant in the world who hath any sense can be excused by inuincible ignorance from damnation no learned Protestant from heresy For heresy is obstinacy against doctrin sufficiently proposed as