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this_o matter_n the_o honour_n of_o god_n as_o to_o his_o incommunicable_a excellency_n with_o respect_n to_o mankind_n as_o a_o body_n do_v not_o lie_v in_o the_o bare_a act_n of_o the_o mind_n but_o in_o the_o external_a performance_n of_o religious_a worship_n to_o he_o for_o if_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o god_n authority_n be_v own_v in_o the_o world_n it_o be_v necessary_a it_o be_v do_v by_o visible_a act_n of_o worship_n which_o ought_v to_o be_v so_o appropriate_v to_o he_o that_o any_o one_o who_o discern_v they_o may_v see_v the_o difference_n put_v between_o god_n and_o all_o his_o creature_n for_o herein_o lie_v the_o manifestation_n of_o that_o inward_a sense_n we_o have_v of_o god_n incommunicable_a excellency_n when_o we_o set_v apart_o time_n and_o place_n and_o office_n of_o religious_a worship_n by_o which_o we_o declare_v our_o submission_n to_o god_n as_o our_o creator_n and_o governor_n of_o the_o world_n and_o the_o confound_a this_o distance_n between_o god_n and_o his_o creature_n be_v the_o great_a sin_n of_o idolatry_n from_o whence_o aquinas_n and_o other_o conclude_v it_o to_o be_v a_o sin_n of_o the_o high_a nature_n 199._o and_o include_v blasphemy_n in_o it_o because_o it_o rob_v god_n of_o the_o honour_n due_a to_o he_o for_o his_o incommunicable_a excellency_n r._n p._n what_o do_v you_o mean_v by_o this_o appropriate_a act_n of_o worship_n to_o god_n 470._o do_v you_o mean_v all_o of_o they_o so_o absolute_o appropriate_v to_o god_n that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a upon_o any_o account_n to_o give_v they_o to_o any_o other_o and_o then_o the_o quaker_n will_v be_v the_o only_a good_a christian_n in_o the_o world_n or_o only_o some_o of_o they_o and_o not_o other_o as_o kneeling_z and_o prostrate_v but_o not_o bow_v and_o than_o you_o must_v tell_v we_o what_o make_v the_o discrimination_n p._n d._n i_o mean_v that_o which_o all_o mankind_n mean_v when_o they_o set_v apart_o time_n and_o place_n and_o office_n for_o divine_a worship_n and_o every_o man_n by_o the_o help_n of_o his_o mother_n wit_n know_v the_o difference_n between_o go_v to_o serve_v god_n and_o go_v to_o market_n i_o say_v then_o as_o dr._n st._n do_v that_o the_o circumstance_n do_v sufficient_o discriminate_a act_n of_o a_o religious_a and_o of_o a_o civil_a nature_n 471._o r._n p._n may_v not_o the_o church_n declaration_n that_o such_o act_n be_v intend_v only_o for_o inferior_a worship_n towards_o image_n or_o saint_n make_v a_o sufficient_a discrimination_n between_o such_o act_n and_o those_o which_o be_v appropriate_v to_o god_n p._n d._n if_o you_o suppose_v the_o whole_a power_n of_o determine_v act_n of_o divine_a worship_n to_o lie_v in_o your_o church_n breast_n you_o have_v ask_v a_o very_a material_a question_n but_o in_o this_o case_n there_o be_v a_o law_n of_o god_n antecedent_o prohibit_v such_o act_n be_v give_v to_o any_o beside_o god_n himself_o and_o this_o law_n be_v so_o understand_v by_o the_o christian_a church_n when_o the_o christian_a religion_n put_v man_n upon_o suffer_a martyrdom_n on_o that_o principle_n that_o all_o religious_a worship_n be_v appropriate_v to_o god_n because_o christ_n have_v say_v thou_o shall_v worship_v the_o lord_n thy_o god_n and_o he_o only_o shall_v thou_o serve_v r._n p._n 472._o who_o be_v so_o blind_a as_o not_o to_o see_v that_o this_o prohibition_n fall_v upon_o the_o external_a act_n as_o determine_v to_o be_v a_o sign_n of_o religious_a worship_n by_o the_o circumstance_n in_o which_o it_o be_v require_v p._n d._n and_o what_o then_o i_o pray_v for_o do_v it_o not_o equal_o fall_v upon_o all_o external_a act_n where_o the_o circumstance_n do_v determine_v they_o to_o be_v sign_n of_o religious_a worship_n which_o be_v all_o i_o desire_v r._n p._n 473._o do_v not_o this_o justify_v the_o quaker_n in_o deny_v to_o give_v any_o external_a honour_n to_o a_o creature_n p._n d._n so_o far_o from_o it_o that_o it_o show_v the_o folly_n of_o their_o doctrine_n which_o arise_v from_o not_o be_v able_a to_o distinguish_v act_n of_o religious_a and_o civil_a worship_n r._n p._n but_o dr._n st._n allow_v some_o kind_n of_o religious_a worship_n to_o be_v give_v to_o a_o creature_n p._n d._n not_o any_o which_o be_v religious_a in_o its_o nature_n or_o by_o circumstance_n but_o that_o which_o may_v be_v so_o call_v be_v require_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o religion_n as_o civil_a worship_n be_v r._n p._n but_o he_o allow_v religious_a respect_n to_o place_n and_o religious_a honour_n to_o saint_n 474._o and_o then_o why_o not_o those_o act_n we_o give_v to_o image_n and_o saint_n on_o the_o same_o account_n p._n d._n because_o the_o circumstance_n do_v declare_v those_o be_v not_o act_n of_o religious_a worship_n