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not_o so_o much_o as_o any_o the_o least_o trace_v or_o foot_v of_o this_o custom_n to_o be_v find_v at_o this_o day_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n nay_o whence_o be_v it_o beside_o that_o they_o will_v not_o so_o much_o as_o endure_v the_o very_a mention_n of_o it_o and_o will_v abhor_v the_o man_n that_o shall_v but_o go_v about_o to_o put_v it_o in_o practice_n i_o shall_v here_o forbear_v to_o speak_v of_o the_o time_n of_o administer_a baptism_n which_o be_v perform_v ordinary_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n but_o only_o upon_o the_o eve_n of_o easter-day_n and_o of_o whitsunday_n neither_o shall_v i_o say_v any_o thing_n of_o the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o paschal_n taper_n and_o the_o albes_fw-la or_o white_a vestment_n 328._o that_o the_o new_a baptise_a person_n be_v use_v to_o wear_v all_o easter-week_n because_o that_o it_o may_v be_v think_v perhaps_o that_o these_o be_v too_o light_a circumstance_n although_o to_o say_v the_o plain_a truth_n if_o we_o be_v to_o regard_v 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have_v 5._o former_o show_v how_o that_o the_o ancient_a father_n conceal_v heretofore_o as_o careful_o as_o they_o can_v the_o matter_n and_o the_o rite_n use_v in_o the_o celebration_n of_o this_o holy_a sacrament_n which_o they_o never_o perform_v in_o presence_n either_o of_o the_o catechumeni_fw-la or_o of_o unbeliever_n but_o now_o there_o be_v not_o any_o such_o care_n take_v at_o all_o herein_o but_o they_o celebrate_v the_o eucharist_n open_o and_o public_o even_o before_o jew_n pagan_n or_o mahometan_n without_o any_o more_o regard_n have_v to_o these_o ancient_a rule_n than_o as_o if_o there_o have_v never_o be_v any_o such_o thing_n and_o as_o if_o the_o design_n of_o these_o man_n be_v to_o run_v cross_a to_o antiquity_n in_o all_o thing_n whereas_o they_o conceal_v the_o sacrament_n as_o much_o as_o they_o can_v these_o show_v it_o now_o open_o and_o carry_v it_o public_o abroad_o every_o day_n through_o the_o street_n and_o sometime_o also_o go_v in_o solemn_a 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open_v with_o unworthy_a hand_n a_o coffer_n of_o she_o where_o the_o eucharist_n be_v lay_v up_o she_o present_o see_v fire_n break_v forth_o thence_o which_o so_o amaze_v she_o as_o that_o she_o dare_v not_o touch_v it_o and_o s._n ambrose_n also_o a_o long_a while_n after_o s._n cyprian_n testify_v sufficient_o that_o this_o custom_n in_o his_o time_n continue_v in_o the_o church_n where_o he_o tell_v the_o story_n of_o his_o brother_n satyrus_n who_o be_v upon_o the_o sea_n and_o in_o danger_n of_o shipwreck_n mare_fw-la and_o fear_v withal_o lest_o he_o shall_v go_v out_o of_o the_o world_n without_o the_o holy_a mystery_n for_o he_o be_v yet_o but_o of_o the_o number_n of_o the_o catechumeni_fw-la he_o make_v his_o address_n to_o those_o who_o he_o know_v to_o have_v be_v initiate_v and_o desire_v of_o they_o to_o give_v he_o the_o divine_a sacrament_n of_o the_o faitbful_a not_o that_o he_o may_v therewith_o satisfy_v the_o curiosity_n of_o his_o eye_n but_o that_o it_o may_v strengthen_v his_o faith_n and_o so_o have_v put_v it_o into_o a_o handkerchief_n and_o then_o tie_v the_o handkerchief_n about_o his_o neck_n he_o throw_v himself_o into_o the_o sea_n and_o be_v save_v if_o rome_n do_v indeed_o bear_v so_o great_a respect_n to_o the_o father_n as_o they_o will_v make_v we_o believe_v why_o have_v it_o not_o then_o retain_v this_o custom_n why_o then_o shall_v that_o which_o be_v then_o so_o ordinary_o practise_v be_v now_o in_o our_o day_n so_o much_o dislike_v as_o that_o they_o will_v not_o by_o any_o mean_n 10._o permit_v the_o friar_n to_o keep_v the_o eucharist_n in_o their_o covent_n nor_o yet_o in_o their_o choir_n nor_o in_o any_o other_o place_n save_v only_o the_o public_a church_n st._n ambrose_n inform_v we_o moreover_o that_o in_o those_o time_n they_o make_v no_o scruple_n at_o all_o of_o carry_v the_o eucharist_n upon_o the_o sea_n which_o custom_n of_o the_o ancient_n be_v so_o much_o dislike_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o our_o day_n as_o that_o they_o hold_v it_o a_o unlawful_a thing_n either_o to_o consecrate_v or_o to_o carry_v the_o sacrament_n ready_o consecrate_v upon_o any_o water_n whatever_o whether_o it_o be_v that_o of_o the_o sea_n or_o of_o river_n this_o very_a custom_n of_o the_o ancient_n keep_v the_o sacrament_n by_o they_o prove_v unto_o we_o very_o clear_o that_o the_o faithful_a in_o those_o day_n receive_v the_o sacrament_n with_o their_o hand_n which_o be_v also_o plain_o enough_o intimate_v unto_o we_o by_o tertullian_n where_o inveigh_v against_o those_o among_o the_o christian_n who_o be_v graver_n or_o painter_n by_o their_o profession_n he_o reprove_v they_o conferunt_fw-la for_o touch_v the_o body_n of_o our_o saviour_n with_o those_o very_a hand_n which_o bestow_v body_n on_o devil_n that_o be_v to_o say_v with_o those_o hand_n wherewith_o they_o make_v idol_n 6._o st._n cyprian_n be_v clear_a in_o this_o point_n in_o divers_a several_a place_n etc._n gregory_n naziâ—nzene_n also_o testify_v the_o same_o in_o his_o lxiii_o poem_n and_o in_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o constantinople_n in_o trullo_n hold_v in_o the_o year_n of_o our_o lord_n dc_o lxxx_o there_o be_v one_o etc._n which_o appoint_v that_o he_o who_o be_v to_o communicate_v place_v his_o hand_n in_o the_o form_n of_o a_o cross_n and_o so_o receive_v the_o communication_n of_o grace_n which_o have_v be_v the_o practice_n down_o from_o the_o time_n of_o st._n cyril_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o there_o be_v no_o man_n but_o know_v that_o this_o custom_n have_v no_o place_n now_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n where_o the_o communicant_n receive_v the_o eucharist_n not_o with_o their_o hand_n but_o with_o their_o mouth_n into_o which_o it_o be_v put_v by_o the_o priest_n i_o will_v also_o very_o glad_o be_v inform_v by_o
be_v sufficient_a for_o my_o purpose_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o do_v thus_o have_v manifest_o abolish_v a_o very_a ancient_a custom_n in_o the_o church_n beside_o these_o ceremony_n which_o be_v practise_v by_o the_o father_n in_o baptism_n and_o in_o the_o eucharist_n they_o have_v say_v by_o many_o other_o also_o which_o have_v be_v heretofore_o in_o use_n in_o the_o church_n i_o shall_v not_o here_o speak_v of_o the_o fast_n upon_o saturday_n which_o be_v observe_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n contrary_a to_o the_o ancient_a practice_n of_o the_o whole_a christian_a church_n beside_o who_o all_o account_v it_o unlawful_a because_o this_o difference_n in_o practice_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o 75._o st._n augustine_n time_n and_o therefore_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n i_o shall_v for_o the_o same_o reason_n also_o pass_v by_o that_o which_o etc._n firmilianâ—s_n say_v namely_o how_o that_o in_o his_o time_n that_o be_v 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