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A11806 Vox populi, or Newes from Spayne translated according to the Spanish coppie ; which may serve to forwarn both England and the Vnited Provinces how farre to trust to Spanish pretences. Scott, Thomas. 1620 (1620) STC 22100.2; ESTC S100489 19,312 28

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chaire as that thereby upon declension of the Romane Emperours and the increase of Romes spirituall splendor who thought it unnaturall that their sun should be sublunary our nation was by the Bishop of Rome selected before other peoples to conquer and rule the nations with a rod of Iron and our Kings to that end adorned with the title of Catholike King as a name above all names under the sunne which is under Gods Vicar generall himself the Catholike Bishop of soules To instance this point by comparison looke first upon the grand Seigneur the great Turk who hath a large title but not universall For besides that he is an infidel his command is confined within his owne territories and he styled not Emperour of the world but of the Turks and their vassals onely Among Christians the defender of the faith was a glorious stile whilst the King to whom it was given by his holynes continued worthy of it But he stood not in the trueth neither yet those that succeed him And beside it was no great thing to be called what every Christiā ought to be defender of the faith no more then to be stiled with France the most Christian King wherein he hath the greatest part of his title commō with most Christians The Emperour of Russia Rome Germany extend not their limits further then their stiles which are locall onely my master the most Catholike King is for dominion of bodies as the universall Bishop for dominiō of soules ouer all that part of the world which we call America except where the English intruders usurp and the greatest part of Europe with some part of Asia and Africa by actual possessiō over al the rest by real indubitable right yet acknowledgeth this right to be derived frō the free and fatherly donation of his holynes who as the sun to this moone lends luster by reflection to this Kingdō to this King to this King of Kings my master what therefore he hath howsoever gottē he may keep and hold What he can get from any other King or Cōmander by any stratageme of war or pretence of peace he may take for it is theirs onely by usurpation except they hold of him from whom all civill power is derived as ecclesiasticall from his holynes What the ignorant call treasō if it be on this behalf is truth and what they call truth if it be against him is treason thus all our peace our warre our treatises mariages and whatsoever intendement els of ours aimes at this principall end to get the whole possession of the world to reduce all to unitie under one temporall head that our King may truely be what he is stiled the catholicke universal King As faith is therfore universal the Church universall yet so as it is under one head the Pope whose seate is must necessarily be at Rome where S. Peter sate so must all men be subject to our and their Catholique King whose particular seat is here in Spayne his universall euery where this point of State or rather of faith we see the Romane Catholike religion hath taught every where and almost made naturall so that by a key of gold by intelligence or by way of confession my master is able to unlock the secrets of every Prince and to withdraw their subjects allegiance as if they knewe themselves rather my master his subjects in truth then theirs whom their birthes have taught to miscall Soveraigns We see this in France and in England especially where at once they learne to obey the Church of Rome as their mother to acknowledge the catholique King as their father and to hate their owne King as an heretique and an usurper So we see religion and the state are coupled together laugh and weep flourish fade and participate of eithers fortune as growing upon one stock of policy I speake this the more boldly in this presence because I speake here before none but native persons who are partakers both in themselves and issues of these triumphs aboue all those of ancient Rome therefore such as besides their oathes it concernes to be secret Neyther need we restrain this freedome of speach from the Nuntio his presence because that besides that he is a Spaniard by birth he is also a Iesuite by profession an order raised by the providence of Gods Vicar to accomplish this monarchy the better all of them being appropriate thereunto and as publike agents and privie Counsellers to this end Wherein the wisdome of this state is to be beheld with admiration that as in temporal warre it employes or at least trusts none but natives in Castile Portugall or Arragon so in spirituals it imployes none but the Iesuites and so imployes them that they are generally reputed how remote soever they be from us how much soever obliged to others still to be ours and still to be of the Spanish faction though they be Polonians English French residing in those countries Courts the Penitents therfore and all with whom they deale and converse in their spirituall traffique must needs be so too and so our Catholique King must needs have an invisible kingdome an unknowne number of subjects in all dominions who will shew themselves and their faiths by their works of disobedience whensoever we shal have occasion to use that Iesuiticall vertue of theirs This therefore being the principal ends of all our counsels according to those holy directions of our late pious King Philip 2. to his sonne now reviving to advance the Catholike Romane religion and the Catholike spanish dominion together we are met now by his Majesties command to take account of you Seigneur Gondomor who haue been Embassadour for England to see what good you haue effected there towards the advancement of this worke what further project shall be thought fit to be set on foot to this end And this is briefly the occasion of our meeting Then the Embass who attended bare headed all the time with a low obeisance began thus This most laudable custome of our Kings in bringing all officers to such an account where a review and notice is taken of good or bad services upon the determination of their imployments resembles those Romane triumphs appointed for the soldiers and as in them it provoked to courage so in us it stirres vp to diligence Our master converseth by his Agents with all the world yet with none of more regard then the English where matter of such diversitie is often presented through the severall humors of the State and those of our religion and faction that no instructions can be sufficient for such negotiations but much must be left in trust to the discretion judgment and diligence of the incumbent I speake not this for my owne glory I having beē restrayned and therfore deserved 〈…〉 the behalf of others that ther may be more scope alovved thē to deal in as occasion shall require Briefly this rule delivered by
VOX POPVLI OR NEWES FROM SPAYNE translated according to the Spanish coppie Which may serve to forwarn both England and the Vnited Provinces how farre to trust to Spanish pretences Imprinted in the yeare 1620. VOX POPVLI OR NEWES FROM SPAYNE translated according to the Spanish coppie HIs Catholique Majestie had given cōmandement that presently upon the return of Seigneur Gondomar his Leiger Embassador from England 1618 a speciall meting of all the principal States of Spaine who were of his Counsel togither with the Presidents of the Counsel of Castile of Arragon of Italy of Portugall of the Indies of the Treasure of Warre and especially of the holy Inquisitiō should be held at Mouson in Arragon the Duke of Lerma being appointed President Who should make declaration of his Majesties pleasure take account of the Embassadors service and consult touching the state and religion respectively to giue satisfaction to his holynes Nuntio who was disired to make one in this assembly concerning certaine overtures of peace and amitie with the English and other Catholike proiects which might ingender suspition and jealousie betwixt the Pope his Maiestie if the mistery were not unfolded and the grond of those counsels discovered aforehand This made all men expect the Embassadours returne with a kinde of longing that they might behold the yssue of this meeting and see what good for the Catholike cause the Embassadors imployment had effected in England answerable to the generall opinion conceived of his wisdome and what further proiect would be set on foot to become matter for publike discourse At length he arrived and had present notice given him from his Majestie that before he came to Court he should give up his account to this assemblie Which command he gladly received as an earnest of his acceptable service and gave thanks that for his honour he might publish himself in so judicious a presence He came first upon the day appointed to the Counsell chamber exc the Secr. not long after all the Counsell of state and the presidents met there wanted onely the Duke of Lerma the Popes Nuntio who were the head and feet of all the assemble These twoo stayed long away for divers respects The Nuntio that he might expresse the greatnes of his master loose the sea of Rome no respect by his oversight but that the benches might be full to observe him at his approach The Duke of Lerma to expresse the authoritie dignitie of his owne person and to shew houw a servant put in place of his master exacts more service of his fellow servants then the master himselfe These two stayed til all the rest were weary of wayting but at length the Nuntio supposing all the Counsel set launched forth and came to roade in the Counsel chamber where after mutuall discharge of duetie from the company and blessing upon it from him he sate downe in solemne silence grieving at his oversight when he saw the Duke of Lerma absent with whom he strove as a competitor for Pompe and Glorie The Duke had sent before understood of the Nuntios being there and stayed something the longer that his boldnes might be observed wherein he had his desire for the Nuntio having a while patiently driven away the time with severall complemēts to severall persons had now almost run his courtship out of breath but that the Duke of Villa Hermosa president of the counsel of Arragon fed his humor by the discharge of his owne discontentment upon occasion of the Duke of Lerma his absence and beckned Seigneur Gondomor to him using this speech in the hearing of the Nuntio after a sporting manner How unhappie are the people where you have been first for their soules being heretiques then for their estates where the name of a favourite is so familiar how happie is our state where the keyes of life and death are so easely come by poynting at the Nuntio hanging at every religious girdle and wher the doore of justice and mercie stand equally open to all men without respect of persons the Embassador knew this Ironicall stroke to be intented as a by blow at the Nuntio but fully at the Duke of Lerma whose greatnes begā now to wax heavy towards declension and therfore he returned this answer your excellencie knoweth the state is happie where wise favorites governe Kings if the Kings themselves be foolish or where wise Kings are who having favorites whether foolish or of the wijser sort will not yet be governed by them The state of England howsoever you heare of it in Spayne or Roome is too happie in the last kinde They need not much care what the favorite be though for the most part he be such as prevents all suspition in that kinde being rather chosen as a scholler to be taught and trayned up then as a tutor to teach of this they are sure no Prince exceeds theirs in personall abilities so that nothing could be added to him in my wish but this one that he were our vassayle and a Catholique With that the noyse without gave notice of the Duke of Lermas entrance at whose first approch the whole house arose though some later then other as envie had hung plummets on them to keep them downe the Nuntio onely sate unmooved the Duke cherished the observance of the rest with a familiar kind of carriage too high for courtesie as one not neglecting their demeanors but expecting it and after a filiall obeysance to the Pope his Nuntio sate down as president vnder the cloath of state but somewhat lower then after a space given for admiration preparation and attention he began to speake in this manner The King my master holding it more honourable to doe then to discourse to take from you the expectation of Oratorie used rather in schooles and pulpits then in Councels hath appointed me president in this holy wise learned and noble assembly A man naturally of a slow speach and not desirous to quicken it by art or industrie as holding action onely proper to a spaniard as I am by birth to a souldier as I am by professiion to a King as I am by representation take this therefore briefly for declaration both of the cause of this meeting and my master his further pleasure There hath bene in al times frō the worlds foūdatiō one chiefe commander or Monarch upon the earth This needs no further profe thē a bak loking into our own memories histories of the world neither now is there any questiō except with infidels heritiques of that one chief Cōmander in spirituals in the unity of whose person the membres of the visible Church are included but there is some doubt of the chief cōmander in temporalls who as the moon to the sun might govern by night as this by day by the sword of iustice compell to come in or cutt off such as infringe the authoritie of the keyes This hath been so well understood long since by the infallible