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A17912 A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, prooved by the nonconformists principles Specially opposed vnto Dr. Ames, his Fresh suit against humane ceremonies, in the point of separation only. Also Dr. Laiton, Mr. Dayrel, and Mr. Bradshaw, are here answered, wherein they have written against us. With a table in the later end, of the principal occurrents in this treatise. By Iohn Canne, pastor of the ancient English church, in Amsterdam. Canne, John, d. 1667? 1634 (1634) STC 4574; ESTC S117015 174,263 303

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pastor_n teacher_n elder_n etc._n etc._n 2._o whether_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o set_v over_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o dominion_n such_o commissioner_n and_o overseer_n as_o the_o present_a hierarchy_n be_v or_o no_o 3._o what_o be_v those_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n which_o some_o true_a church_n in_o england_n have_v these_o many_o year_n be_v without_o either_o all_o o●_n chief_a of_o they_o 4._o whether_o the_o call_n entrance_n administration_n and_o maintenance_n of_o any_o of_o the_o public_a minister_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v unlawful_a and_o antichristian_a or_o no_o 5._o who_o be_v those_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n which_o neither_o in_o name_n nor_o in_o deed_n be_v true_a as_o he_o himself_o confess_v 6._o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n to_o be_v maintain_v by_o tithe_n and_o offering_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o manner_n and_o form_n as_o it_o be_v practife_v now_o in_o england_n or_o no_o 7._o whether_o all_o the_o parish_n assembly_n of_o england_n be_v true_a visible_a church_n or_o no_o 8._o where_o be_v those_o church_n in_o our_o kingdom_n from_o whence_o we_o have_v separate_v which_o do_v consist_v as_o now_o they_o stand_v of_o a_o company_n of_o people_n call_v and_o separate_v from_o the_o world_n and_o the_o false_a worship_n and_o way_n thereof_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o be_v join_v together_o in_o the_o fellowship_n of_o the_o gospel_n by_o voluntary_a profession_n of_o faith_n and_o obedience_n of_o christ_n 9_o what_o be_v those_o part_n and_o parcel_n in_o the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n which_o be_v not_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n whereof_o he_o speak_v 10._o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o have_v communion_n with_o the_o english_a liturgy_n as_o it_o be_v ordinary_o now_o use_v in_o their_o church_n 11._o if_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n be_v prescribe_v in_o the_o book_n aforesaid_a we_o demand_v then_o in_o what_o part_n thereof_o the_o same_o be_v contain_v 12._o whether_o those_o which_o join_v to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a ministry_n worship_n and_o order_n of_o their_o cathedral_n or_o parishional_a assembly_n in_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o perform_v therein_o according_a to_o the_o true_a meaning_n &_o intent_n of_o their_o law_n do_v sin_n or_o no_o 13._o what_o be_v the_o true_a intent_n and_o meaning_n of_o these_o law_n and_o to_o who_o do_v it_o proper_o belong_v to_o give_v the_o interpretation_n of_o they_o thus_o have_v finish_v what_o i_o purpose_v to_o write_v for_o this_o time_n i_o commend_v now_o the_o same_o to_o the_o best_a acceptance_n of_o every_o well_o dispose_v reader_n beseech_v god_n to_o make_v we_o more_o and_o more_o of_o one_o mind_n in_o the_o truth_n and_o to_o give_v we_o all_o heart_n to_o walk_v sincery_o in_o it_o until_o