robbe him of the end he suffered for namely to sanctifie and cleanse his Church as S. Paule witnesseth to render is glorious vnto him it were the church being as the same Apostle writeth Christ bodie and the fulnes of him to make Christ a head bodilesse and take as it were his totality or perfection from him it were to divorce our Saviour from his dearely beloved spouse a Ephes 5 29. formed out of his side vpon the crosse and inseperably ioyned in marriage with him it were to bereaue his omnipoteÌ„t Maiestie of b 1. Tim. 315. Colos 1.14 Psal 2.8 his house kingdome lotte and heritage vpon earch for such is his Church vnto him and so called in holy Scripture yea it were directly to charge the Prophets the Apostles and even Christ himselfe either with vntruthes or absurdities The Prophets because these words are reade in c Esa 60.11 Cap 61.8 Esay Thy getes speaking to the future Church of ChristiaÌ„s shall be opeÌ„ continually neither day nor night shall they be shutte the strength of the Gentiles and their Kings may be brought vnto thee And in another place I the Lord will make an everlasting covenant with them and their seede shall be knowne among the Gentiles and their braunches in the widst of people All that see them shall knows them that they are seede which our Lorde hath blessed What could be plainer spoken for proofe either of the f This is not proved from thence the perpetuitis wee graunt visibility or perpetuitie of Christs Church her gates saith he shall be open coÌ„tinually shut neither by day nor night and that God hath made and everlasting covenant with her and that g But he saith not All shall see all that see her children shall know theÌ„ know that our Lord hath blessed them The Apostle because S. Paule writing to d 1. Tim. 3.15 Timothie teacheth him how he ought to coÌ„verse in the house of God so terming the church of God now if the church were invisible the instruction must needes be vaine and absurde for none can converse in an h Neither do we say that the Church is alwaies invisible invisible house Again e Acts 20.28 Matth. 28.20 S. Luke writeth that the holy Ghost placed Bishops in the church of God to rule the same but who can rule a flocke that is either invisible or vnknowne Christ himselfe because he promised his Apostles to remaine with them all daies to the consummation of the world Which promise being made to the Apostles was made to a visible Church and for that they were not being mortall to live to the worldes ende the promise was vndoubtedly made to them and their Successors in their persons and i A plaine inconsequence therefore the Church neither ever to cease or become invisible Neither can the reasons and places precedent be avoided by the ignorant distinction of a invisible and invisible Church vnderstanding by the latter the hid and vnknowne congregation of the Predestinate because the Church being a society of men as all writers affirme and every society requiring of necessity some visible signe badge ceremony bond rite profession inrollemeÌ„â— or some other like marke wherby the members of the same may be knowne one to the other and also from others which essential point failing in the company of the predestinat they can no way possible make vp the k False Contra Faust lib. 19. cap. 11. realtye name or nature of a Church For as S. Austen truely writech In nullum nomen religionis sen ve rum sâ—u falsum coagulari homines posiuns nisi aliquo signaculos um vel Sacramentorum visibilium consortio colligentur Men cannot be incorporate in any one name of Religion either false or trueâ— vnlefle they be combined togither by some communitie or participation of visible seales or Sacramentes Againe this hid and vnknowne predestinate company which must be thought to constitute an invisible Church do l A foolish Dilemma see the Answere either refuse or not refuse to communicate with the false and adulterous church in Ecclesiasticall subiection service sacraments and externall worship if they do refuse then is their company and Church not invisible but most visible markable on the other side if they do not refuse then sith the false Church is by testimony of the holy Ghost †Apoc. 2.9 the Synagogne of Satan her doctrine b 1. Tim. 4.1 the doctrine of Diuels they must needs be guitly of damnable sin by such their partaking with her And therefore their company not Gods Church because that multitude cannot possibly be Gods Church wherein there are none c Ephes 5 27. Aug. contr Donatist post Col. cap. 20. de doctr Christi l. 3 c. 34. Retract li. 2. c. 18. epist 48. ad Vincentiâ—â—â— good but all wicked dissemblers cloâ—ers of their faith With the hart d Rom. 10.10 saith S. Paul we beleeue vnto iustice but with the mouth vnderstanding thereby all externall actions confession is made to salvation And the same Apostle biddeth all men e Rom. 16.17 Tit. 3.10 to avoide false teachers and f 2. Cor. 6.17 separate themselues from them yea g Ioh. 10.5 not to follow them but to flee from them is a marke which cur Saviour himselfe giueth of distinguishing his true sheepe from others We would say by that is said that perpetuall visiblenesse being an m Begging of the question essentiall quality note of Gods church and ever really existing with vs and in our Religion as all sorts of testimonies in the world doe witnesse and in no other company or congregation soeuer it followeth that n Impudent Beggers our Church is the sole true church and spouse of Christ Resolution of the 31. Reason Popish Religion is that whose professant company or congregation hath bin evermore since the first planting therof very visible perspicuous Ergo Popish religion is true religion and so to be tolerated ANSWERE To the Antecedent 1 I grant that from the yeere of Christ 605 when the dispersed points of Popery began to be established in the Primacy granted by Phocas vnto Boniface III. the professsant company thereof hath bin very visible and perspicuous 2 But it was not so from the beginning As the light in the first day was carryed vp and downe without any guid Gen. 1. and at length governed by the Sunne which God created for that purpose So the mystery of Popery at the first in the time of the Primitiue Church was stayed in no certaine subiect but wandred invisibly in the divers passages of running wits till at last it was setled in the See of Rome in the person of Boniface III. and his successors II To the Consequence 1 Popery is not therfore true Religion because from the first planting therof by the Divell the professors of it haue bin visible because visibility in that sense is
sacrament 14 The Monothelites taught that there was but one will in our Saviour Christ So taught Honorius the Pope in like manner 2. Tom. Concil Colon. Anno. 1551. editor pag. 365. in Sexta Synod Constantinop Act. 12. 15 The Arabians held that the Soule died and was dissolved with the body Aug. de Haeres cap. 83. Niceph. Eccl. Hist lib. 5. c. 23. So also beleeved Pope Iohn XXIII the head of the Romish Church who as the Papistes affirme cannot possibly erre Concerning whom I will lay downe the very words of the Councel of Constance Dominus IOANNES Papa XXIII saepe sapius coram diversis Praelatis alijs honestis probis viris pertinaciter diabolo suadente dixit asseveravit dogmatizavit astruxit vitam ateruam NON ESSE neque aliam post hanc quinimâ— dixit pertinaciter credidit animam hominis cum corpore humano MORI EXTINGVI ad instar animalium brutoruÌ„ dixitque mortuum semel esse etiam in novissimo die MINIME resurrecturum Tom. 2. Concilior pag. 1060. Concil Constant Sess 11. whervpon in the same session he is called Diaholus incarnatus pag. 1050. But concerning this point the Reader may reade more in my booke de Antichristo Cap. 24. II To the Consequence 1 IF Popish religion had confuted and out lasted severall huÌ„dreds of heresies yet it followeth not that it is true religion therefore because it is not strange to see one Heretique warre and fight against another and the stronger to overcome and out-last the weaker So Popery hath done and doth continually But the truth of the Gospell being the doctrine of the Stronger man which overcame and bound the strong man armed hath and ever doth batter Popery to peeces and hath gotten from it whole kingdomes and nations already God be praised and shall shortly worke the vtter ruine and desolation thereof Amen Amen 2 The places of Scripture cited by the Suppliants are not meant of the Popishe Church but of the true Church of Christ where with they have no communion who doe vnworthily separate themselves from the same and take part with her enemie Reason of Religion 6 6. REASON OF RELIGION A religion that erected and built a What ALL this word is too generall the world can testifie And ALL this is but a begging of the question 2. Pet. 1.8 all the Churches Hospitalles and ancient Colledges in Christendome indowed them with livings instituted the Vniversities and Seminaries distinguithed the multitude into parishes proportioned the tithes annexed the glebe land founded the Bishoprickes limited the Dioâ—eseâ— decreed Ecclesiasticall lawes and immunities enacted all the olde Lawes of our Realme and did for that they would not be vacant without fruite as the Apostle aduised in the knowlegde of our Lord Iesus a thousand good workes besides of which the religion regnant reapeth b GOD can stirre up wicked men to doe his children good daily beneficte and could not without such our churches provision and ordinances ever haue carried the exterior shew it doth Resolution of the 6. Reason Popish Religion erected and built Churches Hospitals Colleges endowed them with livings instituted Vniver sities and Seminaries c and did a thousand good workes besides Ergo Poperie is true Religion and therefore to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 THere were Churches Hospital Colleges Vniversities and Schooles erected and instituted in the Primitiue Church before Popery was dreamed of 2 Also the tithes were proportioned in the old Testament in the daies of the ancient Patriarkes And Bishopricks were fouÌ„ded dioceses limited parishes distinguished and Ecclesiasticall laws decreed long before the beginning and originall of Popery by the Fathers of the Primitiue Church 3 〈◊〉 that Popish Religion bee conferred with the ReligioÌ„ that those worthy meÌ„ which erected builded Churches Hospitals Colleges Vniversities Schooles since the time of the Primitiue Church died in and both of them bee tryed by the Scriptures and then compared vvith ours it will be found that not halfe of them dyed in the Popish Religion as the Suppliants imagine yea that the ancientest and best of them dyed in ours and therefore both they and their monuments are ours and giue greater credit vnto our Religion then all the rest doe or can do vnto Poperie II To the Consequence 1 Suppose Popish Religion to be the principall auctor and agent in all these and in a thousand good works besides yet doth it not follow therefore that Popery is true Religion Because heretiques may in civill affaires do or decree some things which in themselues are good which notwithstanding doth not any way giue allowance vnto their Heresie 2 The Protestants haue built many Churches Hospitals Colleges Vniversities and Schooles and done ten thousand good workes besides Wherefore by the Suppliants argument the Protestants Religion must needs bee true vvhich yet they vvill not grant 3 Yea vvhat is there in this Reason vvhich Infidels heathen men may not alleadge for theÌ„selues Pagans Iewes Turkes and other profane Nations erected many goodly monuments decreed wholesome and profitable lawes and haue done many workes besides which in themselues are very good Will the Suppliants from hence coÌ„clude that their profession is true Religion 4 GOD can bring forth light our of darknes he can raise vp Heretiques Infidels and Atheists to doe many things for the good and benefite of his Church Children Reason of Religion 7 7. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion a A lowde lie 9.10 11. Centenaries that in three ages togither had not three open adversaries in the Christian world who contradicted or impugned her doctrine or beleeued another forme of faith then that which shee then and now teacheth And the Wisedome of the eternall God alluding to his b If we will beleeve the Suppliants Glosse else not Pro. 14.28 Glossa interlin in hunc locum Church affirmeth that in the multitude of people coÌ„sisteth the glory of a King and in the small number the ignominy of the Prince Resolution of the 7. Reason Popish Religion in three ages togither had not three open Adversaries in the Christian worlde who contradicted her Doctrine or beleeved any other forme of faith then that vvhich shee teacheth Ergo Poperie is true Religion and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 THere haue bin in every age worthy and faithfull Christians who contradicted the Popish superstition publikely and openly opposed themselues against Antichrist For GOD had alwaies TWO WITNESSES to testifie the trueth against the Adversary Apoc. 11.3 2 These faithfull Servants of GOD haue ever beleeved and held an other forme of faith then that which Popish Religion taught For they kept the commaundements of GOD and had the testimonie of IESVS CHRIST Apoc. 12.17 3 In these Centenaries which the Suppliants speake of to wit in the 9.10 and 11. there lived questionlesse seaven thousande vvhich bovved not their knees vnto Baall 4 About these times flourished Bertrame the
Priest Huldrieus Bishop of Auspurge Ioannes Patricius Erigena Ansegisus the Abbot Berengarius ArchdeacoÌ„ of Angiers Aruulphus Archbishop of Lugdune Ioannes Sarisburueasis Arueldue Bishop of Bixta Petrus Bloix Petrus Waldo and all those famous men which were tearmed Waldenses Frederike the second Petrus de Vinea his Chancellor Bernard all these and infinite numbers more who are not recorded in Histories that held the faith of Iesus impugned the Papacie and opposed themselues against Antichrist and all his disciples 5 Also the Greeke Church coÌ„tinually impugned Poperie and held a faith different from the Popish beliefe II. To the Consequence 1 If there had not been found THREE open adversaries in al the Christian world who in those CeÌ„tenaries impugned Popery yet doth not that inferre the truenes of Popish Religion Because it is written in the Revelation that GOD should stirre vp TWO witnesses to testifie the trueth against Antichrist Apoc. 11.3 and in the mouth of TWO or three witnesses every thing is established Num. 35.30 Dent. 17.6 Dent. 19.15 Matth. 18.16.2 Cor. 13.1.1 Tim. 5.19 2 It is written that Antichrist shal prosper for a time and prevaile against the Saintes yea that hee shall cause ALL both small great rich poore free and bond to receiue his marke Apoc. 13.16 No marvell therefore if there were not many found to impugne the Papacie especially seeing the Church had fled into the wildernesse into her place at that time Apoc. 12.14 Wherefore this paucitie of adversaries against Poperie is so far from proving of it to be true Religion as that it is a manifest demonstration that it is the Religion and pestiferous Doctrine of Antichrist Reason of Religion 8 8. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose chiefe professors and spreaders thereof to other Nations were alwaies of a knowne a wonderfull bely if you meane full of holes and filth witnes the holy Popes Sergius III. Joane VIII John XII Sergius 3. his bastard John XIII who was slaine in the very act of adultery Sixtur IV Paule III. Gregerie VIII and a great number more holy life and semblable death the protoparents of b Will they include the Christian religion in this ranke all other religions men of a much contrary note and we are sure by the testimony of Gods word that the good and bad trees are to bee knowne by their c And so are the Papistes For there were but six thousand yong childrens heads at ones found in a fish-pond within the grange of an Abber Hulderich in Epist ad Nicol. I. fruites Matth. 7.20 Resolution of the 8. Reason Popish religion is that vvhose Professers vvere alwaies of a knowne holy life and semblable death Ergo. Popish religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 WHat the * The Suppliants themselvs afterwards confesse the lives of their Professours and chief Rulers are very lewde and wicked in the 36. Reas of Religion life of Popish professours hath bin appeareth manifestly in the Catalogue of their Popes of Rome whereof some were bloody murderers some sorcerers nicromancers or coniurers some bawdes adulterers Sodomites some proude sacrilegious and craftie cousoners and others seditious rebelles traitours as is plainely declared by their owne writers vvhich because I have proved at large in my Booke de Antichriste I wil not heere repeate 2 As for their death that also appeareth in the same holy race whereof some died in the very act of adultery some swearing and blaspeming GOD some damning devoving themselues vnto the devil others thinking that there is neither God nor devil heaven nor hell nor no other lâ—fe after this as I haue also declared in that booke de Antichristo 3 I will not stand to relate particular examples in this general discourse If I shoulde speake of the death of Eccius Latemus Hofmaiter Gardiner notable professours of Papistrie and of the death of Francis Spiera a revoulter from the Protestantes religion it would make any mans haire to stand on end that heard it 4 The Papacy by vertue of the religioÌ„ which it professeth is the kingdome of sinne as I have proved at large in my Booke De Ecclesia Antichristi And therefore it is most certaine that within the communion of Popish Religion men can neither live well nor die well II. To the Consequence 1 But be their lives and their deaths what they may bee Religion must not bee measured by the lives of the Professours An heretike may liue an honest morall life as Pelagius is said to have done and a good ChristiaÌ„ may fall oftentimes as we reade of David and others 2. Sam. 11.4.15.17 2 A rotten and worme-eaten apple hanging vpon a good tree seeing that came not through the nature of the tree but by meanes of wormes birdes or some such accident ministreth not sufficient argument to prove that tree to bee an ill tree so the ill workes of Christians ought not to staine their holy religion For the corruptioÌ„ of their fruites commeth not from the nature of their religion which forbiddeth such fruites or workes but from themselues from their owne native and originall corruption 3 Yet the ill lives worse deâ—th of the Papistes are sufficient to condemne THEIR doctrine because they proceede from the nature and articles of their religion as shall be more manifest in the sequel 9. REASON OF RELIGION A religion to which the a Even so we see it prophecied of before Apoc. 17. that the Kinges of the earth should commit fornicatioÌ„ with the great whore and give their power cucto rity vnto the beast famousest Constantinus * ImpudeÌ„t Papists that challenge all these Princes to bee theirs whereas very many of theÌ„ died before Popery asceÌ„ded from the pit of Hell anâ— manie also were the greatest enemies that the Pope or Papacy hâ—d Magnus Iavianus with aboue forty Emperours of the East Maiorianus Carolus Magnus with full neere fortie other Emperours of the West Emperours and (b) Clodoueus Childiberius with aboue three-score Kinges of Fraunce Ranimirus Sanctius with almost twenty other Kinges of Aragon Telagius Pasila with at least forty other Kings of Castile Alphonsus Sanctius with many moe Kinges of Portugall Geyza Stephanus with aboue thirty Kings of HuÌ„garie Besides the Kinges of Polonia Bohemia Denmarke Norway Suetheland Gothland Dalmatia Baioria Germania AlemaÌ„nia Morauia Loraine Burgundy Prouince Lomberdy Italy Naples Sicily Sardinia Nauarre end the Kinges of Affricke as of AEthiopia Nubia others Likewise the Kings of Canaria Manicongus Benopâ—tama Angola Guinea Bentoninus Quilca Melinda Mozambique the Kinges of Asia as of Ciprus Armenia HierusaleÌ„ Tartaria and some Kinges of the Agarens and Saracens many Kinges of the Heruleans Iberians Alanes Abasgorians Lazorians Scithians Persians and others Kings of the world haue bowed their Crownes (c) As * A Begging of the question Constantinus Magnus Emperour Dagoberius Carolus S Iudovicus and other Kings of Fraunce Alphonsus Ranimirus 2. Alphonsus
from that went before or followeth after must ballance beare more sway and credit for m Although the Fathers in their writings do approve our religion Yet it is not therefore that we coÌ„deÌ„ne the Papists because their religion differeth froÌ„ the writings of the Fathers but because it is contrary vnto the Scriptures condemning vs of errâ—r then the writers liues selfe deedes their practise profession other their workes or never so many apparant testimonies of theirs to the contrary for the truth of our religion Resolution of the 26. Reason Popish Religion is that of which the foure acknowledged Doctours of holy Church S. Ambrose S. Hiereme Augustine S. Gregorie were both professours and stout defenders Ergo Poperie is true Religion and therefore to be tolerated ANSWERE I To the Antecedent 1 IF the Papists acknowledge but fowre Doctours of the Church then what thinke they of the rest of the Fathers both Greeke and Latine of the Primitiue Church whereof many were ancienter then these fowre which they acknowledge Doe not they deserue to bee tearmed Doctours of the Church 2 These fowre Doctours which they acknowledge were not Popish Massing Priests as the Suppliants impudentlie conclude vpon the bare mustering of their names 3 I cannot stand here to examine their particuler allegations by one only a man may iudge of all the rest Augustin say the Suppliants wrote three books Delibere Arbitrie therfore he approved free will They might as wel haue concluded Augustine wrote a booke De Mendacio therefore he approved lyes Or Augustine wrote a booke De duabus Ammis therefore he approved two soules Whosoeuer shall reade Augustines books of Free-will shall presently see that Augustine directly wrote against the Popish Free-will which Sixtus Senensis a Papist acknowledgeth therfore reproveth Augustine for his doctrine concerning that point Sixt. Sen. in praefat lib. 5. Biblioth Heereby a man may see the Suppliants honestie in citing the Fathers 4 These fowre Doctors in the principall points of Popish Religion are against the Papists Hierom refuseth the book of Wisdome Ecclesiasticus Iudeth Tobias and the Machabies as Apocryphall in Prolog Galeat in lib. Reg. Praefat. in Esdr Nehem. And so doth Gregory the books of Machabies In Iob. lib. 19. cap. 17. Augustine saith Christ is our Mediatour according to both his natures Hom. de ovib cap. 12. de Consens Evang. lib. 1. cap. 35. Enchr. cap. 108. Ambrose saith that the reliques of concupiscence in the regenerate are sinnes as Augustine witnesseth Contra Iul. lib. 2. c. 5. this also is Augustines owne opinion Contra Iulian. Pelag. l. 5. c. 3. Tract 41. in Ioan. in Ps 118. Conc. 3. Hierome saith that the Saintes knowe not what is done in earthe In Epitaph Nepotian So saith Augustine also Lib. de cura pro mort c. 13. 16. in Psal 108. lib. de Spir. Anim. c. 29. They teach also that Saints must not be worshipped Aug. de ver relig cap 55. De civit Dei lib. 22. cap. 10. lib. 8. cap. 27. lib. Confess 10. cap. 42. lib. de morib Eccles c. 34. Augustine saith wee are iustified in Christ not in our selues Aug. de verb. Apost Serm. 6. De Spir. lit cap. 26. de fid et op cap. 14. epist 120. cap. 30. So also teacheth Hierome in 2. Cor 5. And Ambrose Epist 71. And Gregorie Moral lib. 9. cap. 14. lib. 21. cap. 15. lib. 5. cap. 7. et lib. 9. cap. 28. et in Ezech. Hom. 7. sub fin in Psal 1 paenit Ambrose saith that wee are iustified by faith ONLY in 1. Cor. 1. et in Rom. 4. So saith Augustine also Serm. 181. de Temp. et contra 2. Epist Pelag lib. 1. cap. 21. Gregorie calleth him Antichrist that calleth himselfe Oecumenicall Bishop or head of the Church lib. 6. epist ex registr c. 194. lib. 4. Ep. 36. et 39. et lib. 7. ep 69. I cannot stand vpon particulars and therefore questionlesse no idolatours no Massing-Priestes no merit-mongers no disciples of Antichrist no Papistes but true and faithful Christians whose doctrine and vertues the Protestants professe and practise II To the Consequence 1 IF these four Doctors had professed defeÌ„ded Popery yet were not Popery therfore true religioÌ„ because the Fathers were subiect vnto Errour yea erred oftentimes Tertullian was a Montanist embraced the errour of the Chiliastes Cyprian taught rebaptisation Hierome coÌ„demned second marriages Chrysostome was infected with Pelagianisme c. 2 It is the Word of GOD only not the profession of the Doctors of the Church that is the rule square of true religion Reason of Religion 27 27. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion of whose doctrine communion in Sacraments a Vntruth all the Saints in the Kalendar the b As the Gentiles had their tutelares Deos Penates so haue the Papistes theirs also patrons of Churches countries coÌ„verters of Nations to Christianity all personages of either sexe memorable for holines for renouncing the world for mortifying their appetites for surrendring their wills or for any other excellent true vertue were so lived and died as the authenticall legends of their liues and other ecclesiastical writings do testifie and beare apparent record to the whole world Resolution of the 27. Reason Popish religion is that which all the Saintes in the Kalendar all personages memotable for holines professed Ergo. Popery is true Religion and therefore to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 IT is false that all such as are named in the Kalendar professed Poperie 2 If they did so yet were that no sufficient argument to prove the truenesse of Popishe religioÌ„ for the reasons before specified Reason of Religion 28 28. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion not destitute of any kind of proofe but her positions coÌ„firmable by a Prove this take all Scriptures by Apostolicall institutious by Councels occumenicall provinciall by Fathers Doctors reasoÌ„s histories chronologies prophesies visions revelations miracles traditions by all these other like heads we say confirmable without wrest straine or flying to tropes or figuratiue speeches So that these words in the Canticles seeme only verified of b Nothing lesse Cantic 4. v. 4. our church religion Thy necke that is the puissant of Christes Church is as the towre of David vvhich is built with bulwarkes a thousand shielde s hange on it all the armour of the strong Resolution of the 28. Reason Popish religion is confirmed by Scriptures Aposto licall Institutions by Counceis Fathers Doctors reasons histories chronologies prophesies visions revelations meracles traditions Ergo. Poperie is true religion and consequently to bee tolerated ANSWERE 1 THe Antecedent is a ridiculous begging of the question 2 If the Suppliants wil prove but the first particle therof to wit that Popish religion is confirmed by the Scriptures we wil grant thern the whole argument though otherwise also it be very
by the Turke the Gaules by the French the Britannes by the English the Spaniards by the Goths the Africanes by the Vandals To which may be added the Germans wasted subiected by Attila 〈◊〉 the seigniory of the Hunnes after the Arian heresie had rooted it selfe â—n seuerall quarters and prouinces of their Country The o Ortelâ—â—s in Râ—gia ex Saxone â—elmoldo Crantzio inhabiâ—ants also of the citie Iulinum who being conuerted to the Romane faith and falling againe from it were all consumed both citizens and cittie with fire from heaven Touching the Countries in the East after they beganne to dishonour themselues with new doctrines the so fast ranne headlong therein an inseperable property of al heresie because they are vnbounded and lacke a defining binding power that in short while after to witte in the raigne of Herselius the Emperour there were on foote d Niceph. lib. 18.45 Jacobitans GeorgiaÌ„s Theopaschitae Armenians Monophysites Agnoetans Staurablatans Monothelites Severites Aphtar thodecits Phantasiasts Maniches Tetradites Tritheites Arians Nastorians sixteene severall sortes of beleefe but what followed First Chosrâ—es king of the PersiaÌ„s sacked Ierusalem and much weakened the Empire Then Heraclius the Emperour turned Monothelite Mahomet that infernall monster being made the Captaine of the Saracens tooke Syria and Aegypt Anno Dom. 635. Mesopotamia Anno. Dom. 639. and afterward all Africa Finallie wee thinke that in the revolution of the fifteene first ages the Nation or kingdome cannot be named which forsaking the Catholike Romane religion or not keeping it whole inviolated was either not e The contrarie appeareth in England and Scotland to insist in no other conquered or miserably torne by civill division and slaughters Resolution of the 30 Reason Popish religion is that from which Countries either departing or mingling other doctrines with it made present wracke of their former felicities falling either into flatte Apostasie or most lamentable bondage or both Ergo. Popery is true religion and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 GOD doth not punish any nation or people for departing from Papistrie seeing such a departing is not Apostacie from true religion as I haue proved before p. 37. 2 GOD is so farre from punishing any for separating themselues from the communion of Popery that contrariwise whosoever doth not separate himself God threatneth to plague him Apoc. 18.4 Goe out of her my people that yee bee not partakers of her sinnes and that yee receive not of her plagues 3 The Suppliants instaÌ„ces are of such nations as were before Poperie beganne to raigne who could not therfore be punished for relinquishing Poperie 4 Those nations were indeed punished either for quite falling away from true religion or for not professing it so sincerely as they ought to haue done 5 For our times GOD hath infinitely blessed the professours of our Religion declared his iudgments against Poperie and Papistes I will not speake of Luther who by the mightie protection of GOD bouldly maintained the truth of the Gospell even in the middest amongst his enemies Nor yet of the miraculous preservatioÌ„ of Geneva that standeth in the mouth of the adversaries who wante neither power nor malice against it Nor of Rochell besieged for the Gospelles sake by all the power of France for seven whole monethes togither and yet by the power of GOD persisted invincible 6 Onely I will speake one worde of this Kingdome of England and for our late blessed Soveraigne Who as shee hath stoutly maintained the cause of Iesus Christ so hath GOD performed vnto her kingdome his promises made vnto his children in Iesus Christ Search all Histories turne al Chronicles sacred or prophane ecclesiastical or civil yet shal yee never finde a WomaÌ„-Prince a Mayden or Virgin Queen yea you shall not finde any Prince at all whose preservatioÌ„ hath bin so mighty whose glorie so great whose government so long so prosperous so happie All this hath bin the more admirable and is the more to be considered by how much the more and oftener shee hath bin cursed with bell booke and candle by him that arrogateth to himselfe Fulues of power and auctority in heaven in earth in hell But GOD hath turned his curses into blessings yea the more he cursed her Maiestie and the Land the more GOD hath blessed both 7 If the Land should not continue still in the zealous profession of the Gospell but should mingle heresies with truth and admitte the practise of Popery which is the Suppliants motion and petition Doubtlesse God would cease from being our GOD he would with draw his blessings froÌ„ vs yea he would be avenged vpon such a faithlesse backsliding people Reason of Religion 31 31. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose professant company or congregation hath bin evermore since the first planting thereof very visible and perspicuous as the severall resemblances parables and figuratiue speeches vsed in holy Scripture do clearely testisie that the true a Most false the Scriptures following are miserably applyed Church and Spouse of Christ should ever be comparing her to a a Psal 18.5 tabernacle placed in the Sunne to a b Esa 2.2 mountaine prepared in the toppe of mouÌ„taines to a c Matth. 5.15 Citie situated on a hill to a d Math. 3.12 Luk. 3.17 Floore to a e Math. 13.47 Nette a f Ioh. 10.16 Spheepe-folde a g Luk. 14.16 great Supper a h Matth. 21.33 Luk. 20.9 Vineyard c. and her doctrine to a i Matth. 5.15 Candle put vpon a candlesticke shining to al that are in the house that is b An absurd glosse in the world as k Tract 2. in epist Joan. S. Augustine vnderstandeth the place things that are all most visible and obvious to weakest sense and therfore do proue that the true Church ought to be alwaies visible and apparant to the view of others Neither is the word Church to be fouÌ„d throughout the whole body of holy Scripture to signifie other then a c But we read in the Scriptures that the woman fied into the wildernes c. Apoc. 12.14 visible knowne multitude and the reason is plaine why it must so signifie because it were otherwise impossible for any one to ioyne himselfe to the true Church persevere therein obey the head and be subiect to the Prelates therof which all are bound to doe by the expresse word of God law of nature vnder heauiest curse censure of damnation if the Church were or could be invisible or not remonstrable For vnto things hidden invisible there can be no repaire no adherence nor homage of duty or tribute of obedience defrayed Nay to deny the perpetuall visibility and d Who denieth this Ephes 5.26 Ephes 1.23 dyration of the Church were in great part to e They fight without en adversarie for no man denieth but that Christ hath had and shall haue his church alwaies though not alwaies visible evacuate Christes passion and plainely to
not a propertie belonging vnto the Church of God I We BELEEVE the holy Catholike Church But faith is the evideÌ„ce of things which are NOT SEENE Heb. 11 II In the visible Church there are many Hypocrites but God only knoweth who are such De occultis non iudicat Ecclesia And Christ ONLY knoweth who are his Ioh. 10.2 Tim. 2. III By examples in the holy Scriptures the Church is described to be invisible 2. Chron. 15.3.4 Now for a long season Israel hath bin without the true God and without Priest to teach and without law But whosoever returned in his affliction to the Lord God of Israel and sought him he was found of them At this time Christ was not without his spouse but albeit the Ministry was corrupted hee had his invisible Church 1. King 19.18 I leaue seaven thousand in Israel that haue not bowed the knees to Baal This company was not seene with corporall eies And in the time of Christs coÌ„ming GOD had his invisible Church Marie Ioseph Zacharias Elizabeth the wise men that came from the East Simecon Anna c albeit publike Ministery was corrupted IV Paule saith Rom. 2.28.29 He is not a Iew which is one outward neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh But he is a Iew which is one within and the circumcision it of the heart in the spirite not in the letter whose praise is not of men but OF GOD. 2 Those places of Scriptures which the Suppliant quote proue only the durance holynes integrity good workes of the Church not the visibility thereof vnto all persons at all times 4 As for the suppliants Dilemma The vnknowne companie did either professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the false Church or they did not If they did professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the other theÌ„ was it not invisible If they did not professe their faith nor refuse to communicate with the false Church they could not be the true Church c. I answere 4 I. If they did not professe their faith c they could not be the true Church Here the Suppliants meane publike profession and open refusall we deny this Position indeed they can never proue it By their reason this is a good argumeÌ„t Those seaven thousands which bowed not their knees vnto Ball either professed their faith or did not If they did professe it how could not Elias see them If they did not professe it then they were not the true Church and yet who seeth not the vanity of it 5 II. They adde That vnknowne company coÌ„municated with the false Church I marvel how the Suppliants know this Go to let vs vrge them with a Dilemma seeing they affect such kind of arguing so much I that company was vnknowne hovv know they what they did If they were not vnknowne but professed openly then what haue they to obiect 6 The Christian Reader may read in the 8. and 9. Chap. of the Prophecie of Ezechiel concerning those faithfull people that mourned and cryed for the abominations that were committed in Hierusalem how the Lord coÌ„maunded to set a marke on their forheads least they should perish learne thence that the Lorde wanteth no meanes to vindicate and saue his Church from destruction even in time of greatest calamity Reason of Religion 32 32. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion in whose largenes spreading amplitude over the whole world the predictions and promise of our Saviour are a These predictions are not verified in Popery but in true Christianitie verified not can take their truth and verification in any other sect or doctrine that ever was or is at this day on earth This Gospell of the kingdome saith our Saviour shall bee preached in the whole worlde for a testimony to all Nations Mat. 24.14 And by the pen of another Evangelist That penance shoulde be preached in his Name and remission of sinnes vnto all Nations Luk 24 47. And our Lord also compared this his Gospell to a Mustard seede one of the least of all seeds in the beginning but wheÌ„ it is growne it maketh great boughes so that the birds of the aire that is as Expositors interprete the greatest Powers and the most wise of the world come and dwell vnder the shadow thereof Mat. 13.31 Mark 4 32. making their residence happynesse and rest therein A resemblance predictions which cannot agree or fall in with any b An evident vntruth other religion saue only with the Catholike Romane Religion and with this very fully as the particulars precedent and subsequent doe cleerely demonstrate Resolution of the 32. Reason Popish Religion is that which is spread over all the world Ergo Popish Religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THis reason is the very same with the 29. and is there answered 2 Those predictions which the Suppliants speake of doe belong only vnto our Church For wee professe that very same doctrin which the Apostles preached vnto the whole world Many Kings great Powers and infinite Wise meÌ„ are professours of our Religion Yea our religion at this instant is much more diffused abroad then Popery is For we see that most kingdomes and countries in Christendome haue shaken of the yoke of Popery yea there is no Province nor Citty in Europe but there are therein very many who are addicted vnto the Gospell of Christ disclaime Popery and professe the same religion that we doe Reason of Religion 33 33. REASON OF RELIGION A ReligioÌ„ that hath alwaies had as the Apostle assureth Gods church should ever haue yeelding also fowre weighty causes of the same a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne a Not Popes Cardinals Pastors and Doctors to the consummation of the Saints the first cause vnto the worke of the ministery the second cause vnto the edifying of the body of Christ the thirde cause that now we be not children wavering and caried about with every winde of doctrine the fourth cause and this vntill wee meete all into the vnity of faith that is to the worlds end Which successiue eveâ—â—ontinuing duration of Pastors and Doctors the same being also promised before to the true Christian Church by severall a Psal 88.31 sequ Esa 59.20 21. Ierem 31.31 sequ Ezech 37.25 Prophets and so greatly materiall in it selfe as without it there can be (b) False See the answere no Church as both b Lib. 4 epist 9. S. Cyprian and c Lib. contr Luciferian S. Hierom doe absolutely affirme hath not nor can bee ever proved to haue beene fulfilled in any other Church saue only in the Catholike Romane Church and in it most apparantly demonstrable by the Ecclesiasticall histories of all ages and by the shorte space or rather momentary blast of time that al other Religions compared with ours haue indured Resolution of the 33. Reason Popish Religion hath alwaies had a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne Pastours and Doctors
personal succession from Andrew the Apostle The Patriarke as Antiâ—ch sitting now at Damascus from the Apostle Peter and the Patriarke of Alexandria who sitteth now at Alcairum from the Evangelist Marke And yet the Papistes say that these Patriarkes are Heretiques Schismatiques for all their successioÌ„ Wherfore should not we iudge the same of them 5 It is not true that all the Popes of Rome helde vnitie with their predecessours Sabinianus was a mortall enemy of Gregorie I. Caranza Sum. Concil pag. 203. And the hoate warres betweene Stephen VI and Pope Formosus I haue laid downe before pag. 63.64 to insist in no more particulars 6 Much lesse is it true that they keepe the faith from the Apostles time for they gave heede vnto Spirites of eâ—rours and to doctrines of devils 1 Tim. 4.1 as I have often declared already 7 But say the Suppliants if we have corrupted the faith name who when and where it was corrupted This cavill is Answered already pag. 42. 43. VVhat is it not sufficient if I shewe that the Popishe faith is corrupt but I must needes declare what time by whom and where it was corrupted If one should shew vnto the Suppliants a man sicke of a consumption or a seare and rotten tree Wil they deny these to be such except he precisely define vnto them time place manner how they became so and began to consume and rotte Againe the Papists say their Church is like vnto a Ship wee cry out it is quite drowned with corruption errors which soake in by litle and litle through the clefts chinkes that were in the same Dare the Suppliants deny this excepte I tell them at what houre their ship began to cleaue shew theÌ„ the first droppe of water that soakt in The corrupting of the Church is not done in a moment of time but errours creepe in by little little which except they bee speedily prevented wil at last quite coÌ„sume destroy the Church 8 Indeede if a sound healthful man should be beheaded at one blow if a tree were presently cut downe or violently puld vp by the rootes if the ship were drowned with one waue so if the Church being sound in every part were vpon the sudden destroyed by some present calamity then were it easie to note the very article of time other circuÌ„stances But the case betweene vs and the Papistes is otherwise VVee acknowledge that their Church did for a long time heape vp that masse of errors which at length oppressed almost the whole world And if the Suppliants wil cal for a witnesse hereof I will produce the Apostle Paule who speaking of the general Apostasie which should come saith 2. Thes 2.7 The mysterie of iniquitie doth already worke Reason of Religion 35 REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose doctrine so generally symboliseth holdeth the like absolute a Begging of the question they consent neither with scriptures Councels nor Fathers consent with all parts of holy Scriprure that were ever received of the Christian worlde with the decrees of all confirmed Oecumenicall Councels with the ioint assertions of all ancient Fathers as shee is not driven like (b) The Lutheran Calvinist * Wee take theÌ„ as they be Apocriphall writings The Fathers oid so See pag. 92. reiect Baruch Toby Iudith the booke of Wisdome Ecclesiastic us the Machabees certaine Chapters of Esther the last parte of Daniel And the Lutherans the Epistle of S. James S. Paule to the * The Lutherens are manifestly slandered Hebrewes the Epistle of Saint Iude the second of S. Peter the seconde and thirde of Sains John other religions for defending her positions to reiect either Scripturie Councel or the vniforme opinion of Doctours but taketh the approbation of her doctrin from them all and teacheth all her children out of S. Augustine (c) Epist. 118. cap. 5. Disputare contra id quod tota per orbem frequentas ecclesia insolentissimae dementiae est To calthe lawfulnes of that into question which the whole Church frequenteth throughout the worlde is most insolent madnesse Resolution of the 35. Reason Popish religion holdeth absolute consent vvith all partes of bolie Scripture with the decrees of all Occumenicall Councels and with the ioynt assertions of all ancient Fathers Ergo. Poperie is true religion and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 This Reason is the very same with the 28. Reason going before that is an impudent vaine brag which neither the Suppliants nor all the world shall ever bee able to proue 2 For indeed the grounds of Popish religionâ— are their owne private interpretations traditions of men without warrant either from the Scriptures or from General Councels or ancient Fathees that are of credite in the Church of God 3 I wil alledge but a few proofes for a tast amongst infinite of others which might be brought I. The Papists differ yea are quite contrary vnto the holy Scriptures The Scriptures teach iustification freely by faith in Christ without works Rom. 3.24.25 Ephes 2.8.9 c. The Papists condemne theÌ„ for heretiks that teach so The Scriptures teach that Christes offering himselfe once for all hath made perfect all them that are sanctified Heb. 10.14 The Papistes teach contrariwise that they must be perfected by the iteration of his sacrifice in the Masse The Scriptures teach that Christ ascended into heaveÌ„ Colos 3.1 Act. 1.9 c. that the heavens must containe him vntill the resurrection of all thinges Acts 3.21 The Papists coÌ„trarily will haue him as oft as they consecrate to come downe to hide himselfe vnder the formes of bread wine The Scriptures say concerning the Cup in the Sacraments Drinke yee all of this Math. 26.22 The Papistes say that lay men must not drinke thereof The Scriptures forbid the making and worshipping of Images Exod. 20.4 The Papists allow both these The Scriptures preferre the speaking of 5. words in the Church that may be vnderstood before 10000. in a tongue not vnderstoods Cor. 14.19 The Papists thinke iust the contrarie The Scriptures account marriage honorable among all men in all estates the marriage bed vndefiled Heb. 13.4 The Papists condemne it in their Priests as a filthie life The Scriptures teach that God worketh even in the regenerate both to wil to performe even of his owne good pleasure Philip. 2.13 The Papists teach contrary wise in their doctrine of free-wil The Scriptures teach that there is but one GOD but one Mediatour betwixt God Man the man Iesus Christ 1. Tim 2. The Papists set vp a nuÌ„ber of Mediatours Advocates besides The Scriptures teach that no man can lay any other foundation then that which is alreadie laide Christ Iesus 1. Cor. 3.11 The Papists have laid Peter his successours for the foundation of their Church 4 II They disagree from the sanctions of Oecumenical Councels The Apostles in the I. Synode decreede that the Disciples should not be burdened with