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A79438 A theological dialogue: containing the defence and justification of Dr. John Owen from the forty two errors charged upon him by Mr. Richard Baxter in a certain manuscript about communion in lyturgical worship. Chauncy, Isaac, 1632-1712. 1684 (1684) Wing C3757aA; ESTC R230946 46,146 50

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Error or Sin that every Saint suffers for J. O. But I believe the world begins now to be pretty well satisfied that all those things are not Errors or Sins which Mr. Baxter calls so and makes a great putther to prove so nor all those Truths or Vertues that he saith are Mr. Tombs a back-sliding Anabaptist was a great Saint in your Books And though you will not be of a Sufferers Judgment to justifie his Suffering you might forbear Espousing the Imposers and Persecutors cause and forbear persecuting with bitter words that comes not short of the others There are hard words and Speeches to be reckoned for one day R. B. To your Minor It is a gross mistake to say that going to the Lyturgy maketh the Refusers the only blameable cause of their own Sufferings what are you one that acquit all the Prosecutors J. O. You are so for you justifie the Law of which they are Offenders he that justifies a Law justifies also the due Executioners of it and therefore condemns the Sufferer as the only blameable cause of his Suffering A murderer is condemn'd and hang'd for Murder the Law is good the pro●eedings against him just and due who is the blameable Cause of his own Suff●rings but himself R. B. But are there no Saints th●t go to Common Prayer J. O. Men may be S●ints as you said not long ago and yet Engage in an unjust Prosecution and to joyn in Communion with them is to justifie their violences and passionate Mistakes as also condemn the Sufferers I wish such Saints as you speak of I mean they that separate not would give more proof of their Saintship to the world by separating at least from malice hatred and bitterness of words and actions yea such inhumanity that Turks would not boast of Papists blush to hear of afterwards but some Protestants your unseparable Saints plead for as the Ecclesiastical and Evangelical meritorious Righteousness by which they expect to be justified before God and man R. B. The Truth is Repentance is a hard work c. J. O. It is so but it s an easie thing to make a great splutter about it and l●y the Law very hard to others by Press and Pulpit Is there a man on Earth that will stand more upon his proud pretences and insulting too in the maintaining of manifest decryed Errors and Practises Therefore such Harrangues as these are might be spared for I know no body affected with them Claudius accusat c. Turpe est Doctori cum culpa redarguit ipsum Manuscript Arg. 8. That Practice which is accompanyed with unavoidable Scandal Engaged in only on the pretence of Liberty is contrary to the Gospel But such is our joyning in the present P●blick Worship It were Endless to reckon up all the Scandals which will ensue that which respects our Enemies must not be omitted will they not think will they not say that we have only falsly and hyppocritically pretended conscience for what we do when we can upon outward considerations comply with that which is required of us Wo to the World because of such offences but wo to them also by whom they are given R. B. But in the first place take heed of offending Saints Now we must none of us hold communion with the parish-Parish-Churches least some Saints that separate should be rendred false Witnesses of God and blameable J. O. I do not believe that ever a man that scoffs at hol●ness and the Professors of it will be justified by his own works This and an hundred more Expressions in this Book had become another man more then Mr. Baxter Sir Do you know what Spirit you are of It 's so manifest I am moved in love to speak so plainly R. B. To the Major 1. It is not true when there is far more Scandal by for bearing that practice but only when there is less on the other side J. O. Well that is Answ Bellarmine thou ly'st and it must be so all the World cann't help Bellarmine in this case he is perfectly refuted Observe now how pretty the reason of the denial is It is not true that that practice which is accompanyed with unavoidable Scandal c. is contrary to the Gospel because there is greater Scandal by forbearing that practice 1. Do we talk of comparative Scandal 2. It s unavoidable with a witness if it lie on both parts of an indifferent act●on 3. It was always reckon'd hitherto by 〈◊〉 Divines that the forbearing a doubtful action had the least scandal in it but I must confess you are very safe for you say The Scandal is greater on the forbearing side only when there is less on the other side One stick is longer when the o●her is shorter This is now learnedly determined Mr. Doctor R. B. To the Minor It is not true That it is only Liberty that is pleaded for the Communion in question It is a great Duty i. e. of Union Concord Peace Obedience to Christ c. Avoiding of Schism and twenty Duties more Error 39. J. O. M●st D●sse●ters that afterwards have complyed have done it on the pretence of Liberty in matters of indifferency against that pretence we alledge the business of Scandal and the great danger of Scandal in matters of that nature which Paul lays such a Stress upon yea our Lord Jesus Christ himself in his Min stry annexing the greatest woes in the Gospel to Scandal Puh says this Gentleman here 's no danger of a Scandal in this case it is not a doubtful case it s our duty to comply a duty of Concord Love Obedience c. Well all that I shall say here is If any man be troubled and disquieted in mind about scruples of Consc●ence here is a Casuist will do their business beyond all Casuists before him or any Antinomians whatever For tho●e things that you the Divines you have consulted with have called si●s thousands have been disturbed and wounded in Conscience for doing of he will shew to be an eminent duty About the duties ●ere mentioned Enquiry may be made elsewhere if need require our Argument will stand fast enough without it at this time Manuscript Arg. 9. That Worship which is unsuited to the relish of the new Creature which is inconsistent with the Conduct of the Spirit of God in Prayer is unlawful for the Nature Vse and benefit of Prayer is overthrown hereby in a great measure Now let any one consider what are the pr●mised Aids of the holy Spirit with respect to the Prayers of the Church whether as to the matter of them or as unto the ability of performance or as unto the manner of it and he shall find that they are all rejected and excluded by this form of Worship as is pretended comprizing the whole matter limiting the whole manner and giving all the Abilities of Prayer that are needful or required This hath been proved at large R. B. It is a mistake Error 40. That this form of
Amen to all he Common Prayer save that for the Bishops by which all th●●e know his mi●d whether it were ●ight or wrong I now determine 〈◊〉 So here are t●ree more of your Mistakes M●rk'd 7 8 9 Errors J. O. I●●his the onl● proof you bring of your charge of three Errors ●h●● ol● Mr. ●●u●p●●● F n would not say Amen to the Prayers for the Bishops and you do no● determine it Right or wrong And yet his practice or rather offensive forbearance is proof enough of three Errors in the Manuscript Is not this an admirable way of Reasoning I had thought Errors in Divinity had been to have been proved from the Word of God and not from the sullen practices of an half-pac'd doting Nonconformist which you know not whether it be Right or Wrong surely Wrong for Mr. Fen he ought to have pray'd for his Pastor R. B. You make all other Reserves of our own to be allowed neither by God nor good men And this mark'd for two Errors X XI J. O. The Words are By this Rule must our Profession and Practice be judged that is by their agreement or non-agreement with the Churches Rule of Worship The common understanding of all both Conformists and Dissenters is That any man that holds communion with the Church in the Worship of the Lyturgy doth give to the world an Evidencing Token of his Incorporation with the Church of England in its present constitution and so did Mr. Fen for all his refusal of his Amen for the Bishops and such Reserves as those are not allowed by God or by good men For a man to joyn in communion with a Church and have a reserve that it is not such a Church as they profess themselves to be that the Pastor is no Pastor and not fit so much as to pray'd for that 's a sweet Church-member R. B. Here are two mistakes 1. God makes it our great duty to hold Communion with most or all the Churches on Earth with these Reserves i. e. to own them in all that is good and disown all their evil though the Laws command the owning of them Without this Reserve I would not joyn with yours or any Church on Earth J. O. And with this Reserve you may hold Communion with the Church of Rome and you may keep any company of any sort This Principle smells very strong of I know what I know also who can swear any Faith or Allegiance never intending to keep one word of it and call it good Divinity it 's all salved well enough hwit a Reserve yea and can do any evil actions and it 's all well enough if there is a good meaning and a reserve This I think you call Mental Separation elsewhere it is an admirable Panacaea for a man to carry about in his pocket now-a-days But I pray will it serve in all cases of Church-Communion when you know of Sin that will certainly be committed in the Worship before you come to it and that you must practically by visible participation have Communion in that Sin or Error will a Reserve preserve you from the guilt of that Sin That which you speak of is another thing all Administrators and Churches are liable to Errors but we speak of Errors in the Rule of Worship and the conditions of Communion fore-known fore-judg'd by you will God or good men allow of such We speak not of the ordinary personal failings of men could you by vertue of this Reserve submit to Re-baptiz●tion the condition of their Church Communion And many Instances might be given of the like Nature R. B. And it is an immodest Error to say that none are good men that are not of your mind J. O. It 's an immodest false thing if you affirm that ever Dr. O. said so or that there is any such thing in the Manuscript Manuscript He that joyns in the Worship of the Common Prayer doth by his Practice make Profession that it is the true Worship of God accepted with him approved of him and wholly agreeable to his mind and will To do it with other Reserves is Hypocrisie and worse then the thing it s●lf without them Happy is he that condemneth not himself in the thing which he alloweth Rom. 14.12 R. B. This is the 12th Mistake and one that hath dreadful consequents 1. It contradicteth the Express Profession of the Communicants who openly tell the World That they take not the Lyturgy to be wholly agreeable to Gods mind and will and you are not to feign a Profession of men contrary to their open Protestation J. O. If men appar●ntly pr●ctice contrary to their Protestation I call that and all men do Profession and I feign it not If men profess that the revealed mind and will of God is the only unerring Rule of Worship with their Tongues and yet in practice submit to and joyn in Communion with a Worship which they openly declare to be by a false and Erring Rule they make their Profession contradict their Profession For they that cann't justifie a Rule as wholly agreeable to the mind and will of God and declare that it is not so and yet worship God according thereunto do practice contrary to their declared Profession This we stand to as Truth and will never be baffied to the Worlds End R. B. It is most direful to your own Separating Followers who by this are supposed to profess all your Worship to be agreeable to Gods mind and will And so all the honest well-meaning People are made guilty of all the Errors which you put into your Worship J. O. That Spirit of bitterness that appears here in this undertaking of yours as many other things of the like Nature little becomes a Minister of Christ and one that in effect hath sometimes writ himself Our Brother and Companion in Tribulation and in the Kingdom and Patience of Jesus Christ I could speak much of my mind to you upon this Subject but for some Reasons I only hint as Verbum Sapienti how sharp many of your Invectives have been in the Hearts and Spirits of Christ's Members 1. For your putting the title so often of Separatists Separating followers dividing Separatists upon those who are tender of the Honour of God in the Purity of his Ordinances you do but therein Espouse the Quarrel the Beast hath had with the Woman ever since she came into the Wilderness in laying all manner of Reproaches upon her Seed as well as Sufferings for hiding her self from his Abominations and keeping their Garments undesiled by false Worship The day will come that you will see those standing upon M●unt Zion singing the Song of Moses and the Lamb to be Separating followers not of me but of the Lamb. 2. We endeavour to teach those people you so contemptibly mention That God is to be Worshipped by a Rule wholly agreeable to his mind and will yea and a perfect and unerring Rule not of mans making and unagreeable to Gods mind and
mark the proof for there is praying that is cursing c. therefore Praises and Prayers absolutely considered are no part of Worship at all I suppose your meaning is That Prayers are either such as are Religious Worship or such as are not as a Request or Petition to Man and Praises or Encomiums of Men and so in respect of this remote Genus they are no Worship at all but by your favour it follows not for though some are not Religious Worship yet others are and all are Worship of one kind or another either Religious or Civil Again It 's plain enough that we speak of Religious Worship in genere and then will you say that Religious Prayers and Praises absolutely considered are no part of Worship at all neither natural nor Instituted If so your proof will be this for there is praying which is no Religious Praying viz. Cursing c. And so we see how in your Arguments you go about to delude and confound mens understandings with little School-Sophisms that becomes not the solidity of a Grave Writer as leaping from one genus to another fallacia generis putting a remote genus for a next and a next for a remote and by your leave you are out in your Divinity too for is not an Imprecation a Prayer to some God and therefore Worship and Praying to Idols Religious Worship will you say These are no Worship at all You might have left out striving against God and Goodness that is a general Character of Sin and obstinate Sinners but I cann't see how it comes in under the Genus of Prayer you might as well put in fighting a Battel or running a Race or wearing Cloaths or killing a man and a hundred such heterogeneous things and called them praying But when men out of prejudice to any truth run into absurdities God leaves them to leave their own Reason and Understanding R. B. But I suppose you mean de specie praying to God for good things needful J. O. You love to play with Genus and Species such Prayer is Species in respect of Prayer for the Genus but it 's a Sub-alternum Genus in respect of the Species under it such as Natural or Instituted Prayers R. B. And it is another mistake That this Prayer is not of Christs Institution because it is a part of Natural Worship All is of Christs Institution which is a part of his commanding Law The Law of Nature is now Christs Law Error XVII J. O. And was it not alwayes as much as now As all things were made by him and as he lightneth every man that comes into the world by the Law of Nature which Law was never abolished as to its use in the world for Christs Ends but meerly as such it was ever since the fall a weak and imperfect Law as to the Salvation of the world Rom. 8.3 It was weak through the flesh and life could not come by it Gal. 2.31 Likewise at first by reason of the darkness that came in by sin there wanted a further and more express manifestation of it which was by Revelation and in that respect was a revealed Law at Mount Sinai but thereby became a more killing Letter Two sorts of people thereupon were in the world those that lay meerly under the light of Nature and they that had the written Law Rom. 2.12 Now miserable had the condition of the world been if Christ had not manifested himself in another way then meerly by the Law of Nature He reveals himself as the M●diator of the New Covenant the Seed of the Woman the great High Priest and Sacrifice yea a Redeemer of them that were under the Law and in the Glory and Power of this Undertaking he appears King of Saints first he reveals a Worship made up mostly of Types and Figures for the strengthning of the Faith of his People in the Promises of his appearing in the flesh when the fullness of time was come wherein also he fits and adapts the Law of Nature to his honour and the use of his people in subserviency to the promise and this was the first Model of Instituted Worship that Christ set up in the World and now is become Head of all things to his Church But his peculiar Regiment was exercised there in his Mediatory Office Afterwards when he had appeared in the flesh finished his Ministry and was offered up the old model of Worship the Law of Commandments contained in Ordinances was abolished and a new Model of Instituted Worship set up for Conversion of Sinners and Edification of his Church to continue to the End of the World and these two Models Divine have thought good to call Instituted and Revealed Worship as distinct from Natural Now if you can find out a better term of Distinction pray do but the thing must be the same Now let the world judge whether this be not perverse disputing to endeavour to render such a known and approved Distinction absurd and ridiculous Moreover see more of this Spirit you charge it for a mistake in saying This Prayer is not of Christs Institution Is it said this Prayer We say Prayer in general is not Instituted Worship but Natural but this or that Prayer is of Christs Institution which is appointed to be used by the Church or his people the Prayer to be prayed by the Church when the Ark and Camp moved and that when it rested was Instituted by Christ Prayer upon particular occasions in the Gospel-Church are appointed as at the blessing and Consecration of the Elements in the Supper though not prescribed and limited as some men would have them but where Christ hath prescribed and limited we chearfully obey him R. B. It is another mistake That Christs Institution respecteth only the internal form and manner of performance the interal form is the inward desire offered mentally to God and is not this natural if Prayer be Sure the form is the thing J. O. It is so or should be so if men were able to do it since the Fall but the power of Nature was lost and was supplied by Grace take it as you will we allow it but you speak of one thing and we of another you speak of of the internal qualification of the Worshipper the Performer of the Institution we speak of the internal form of the Institution which is the perfection and rectitude thereof wholly according to God's mind and will as to the several particulars that it doth concern The form is not the thing but the form and matter R. B. And that the manner of Performance is sinful which is not of Christ's institution J. O. These are not our words but that his Institution respects the manner of our performance and that is the external due manner and the internal the internal is the due Gospel manner of offering our desires mentally to God which is not natural but revealed to pray in the Spirit with Faith in and through Christ Heathens may offer up
is an untruth no doubt but Lyturgies were abused to cherish Ignorance and Negligence But that the neglect was total is not true whether you respect all the Churches or all the parts of Worship and Ordinances J. O. We say it hath been abused to a total neglect by many you call Churches and Ordinances it would be sad if it should be in all Churches and Ordinances but a total in not a few is sufficiently known We apply not total to the universal Church but to some Churches only neither hath the Universal Church in all Ages served God by Lyturgies nor in any one I believe Manuscript 2. When a Plea for the work of the Holy Ghost began to be revived it produced all the Enmity Hatred and contempt of and against the Spirit of God himself and his whole work in the Church which the whole world is now filled withal R. B. That word his whole work in the Church is another mis-report it is not his whole Work that is so contemned Error 28. J. O. The whole work of Christ in his Church is by his Institutions and the gifts and graces of his holy Spirit and if these be hated and contemned his whole work is hated and contemned R. B And it s a palpable mistake that the foresaid scorn of all done by the Spirit ariseth from hence alone a justification of their devised way of Worship it ariseth more from a malignant Enmity to serious Godliness c. Error 29. J. O. But what hath caused that in the case mentioned Hath not a justification of their devised Worship Causa causae est causa causati When we say the only Cause we mean the principal first moving causer causa procreans it s here Manuscript All the reproaches that are daily cast on the Spirit of Prayer all the contempt and scorn which all Duties of Religious Worship performed by his Aid and Assistance are entertained withal ariseth from hence alone namely a justification of their devised way of Worship as the only true way and means thereof Take this away and the wrath and anger of men against the Spirit of God and his work in the Worship of the Church will be abated yea the necessity of them will be Evident This me cann't comply with least we approve of the Original design of it and partake in the sins which proceed from it J. O. You charge no Error here do you R. B. No but seeing you and your dividing Separatists are branded with D. S. now my Irons are hot I 'll add R. too the first Letter of my own Name R. B. I will tell you a story how the Separatists were the Causes of all the Mischiefs in the late Mutations And amongst the rest you know Oliver comes to be made Protector the Fundamental Laws made among themselves by we know not whom Parliament Lords made by him Parliaments called and broken at his pleasure the Government of the Counties put into the hands of Major Generals After the Death of Oliver his Son set up and his Parliament first pull'd down in which you told me you were an Agent and next himself J. O. Let all this be granted it amounts to no more then this That I was an Agent in pulling down a Usurper I pray where lies the most Loyalty in being an Agent to aid and assist and maintain such a one or to contribute towards the pulling him down I know you were mightily displeased with me and the Army for it and I remember a remarkable passage in your Epistle to them in the Preface of your Holy Common-wealth where you say For my part you see the worst that I designed by this Book which was written while the LORD PROTECTOR prudently piously faithfully to his Immortal Honour how ill soever you have used him did Exercise the Government R. B. Ay but this you could not be contented with to pull down the Protector but you must break the Army in pieces You were once Pastor to the Officers of the Army when they pull'd down and set up and again pull'd down till they had turned the Army Bulwarks into Atoms And when you saw what they had done said I wonder the People do not cast stones at us as we go along the Streets was not this a blaming of the flock J. O. Very Good Sir and was there any disloyalty in all this If all the simple things that we have said must be told and that you have writ I could tell tales too but there is so much Printed of it that I need not fill pages with it and I must tell you it 's that which is now much worse resented by the World then any thing you can report of me but I seek not Revenge though I could give you heap measure in these matters But if your hand be in at it once more you shall be sure to have that which you deserve in such cases That which is Sauce for a Goose is so for a Gander also I shall only add one thing that whereas you charge Separatists as you call them for the great Dividers in this Land Let me tell you there was never an hundred of Separatists this Hundred years living together that have made more dangerous divisions in matters of Religion both in Doctrine and Discipline then you have done And with such Errors that it may be the Church had hardly seen or at least been vexed with at this day had you not spawned them into her Bosom and given Credit and Life by your Authority to some Old and Exploded Ones by most Protestants Manuscript Argument 3. That in Religious Worship which derogates from the Kingly Office of Jesus Christ so far as it doth is false Worship Vnto the Office of Christ it inseparably belongs that he is the Sole Lawgiver of his Church in all the Worship of God The Rule of his Government herein is Teach men to do all and observe whatever I Command But the Worship treated about consists wholly in the Institutions Commands Prescriptions Orders and Rules of men and on the Authority of me● alone doth their Impositions on the practice of the Church depend What is this but to Renounce the Kingly Office of Christ in the Church R. B. To your Major of your Third Argument I answer First there is that in Worship as the badness of men c. which is no part of Worship and therefore no false Worship J. O. This is the Old Crambe ter Coctum tollere Subjectum and let the Predicatum go whistle we will draw out this kind of Argument at length and send it to the boys at Oxford to course with That in Religious Worship which is no part of Worship is no false Worship But there is that in Religious Worship as the badness of men which is no part of Worship Ergo there is that in Worship which is no false Worship And now you have proved that no Worship is no false Worship but let me tell you seeing you are so
my Answer These XII Arguments I understand they are likeliest to prevail most by the honour of Dr. Owen's Name more then by any strength that is in them J was willing as long as I could to believe they were not his they being as fallacious and frivolous as the rest i. e. Mr. Ralphson's and Mr. Warner's and one Error managed with above forty mistakes Besides after being assured they were his I was the more encouraged by the Example of Paul Gal. 2. J. O. As frivolous as they are or as little strength as they have you have not so much as shaken one of them or any Scripture duely managed by the Suffering Gentlemen you trampled upon one dead and the other alive dead or alive it 's all one to you but go on A Ream of Paper fill'd with such a Noise as this was will not carry the cause you have undertaken unless you can find better Arguments and Reasons both Logical and Theological to manage it with Put on the Spirit of Meekness Gravity Tenderness Humility Self-denyal Do not think to raise your Honour upon the Ruines of Christs Truth and the Reproaches of his Followers this was not Pauls Spirit neither have you his cause for the business that he withstood Peter in was compliance with the Jews abolished worship in opposition to the present Gospel-Worship as it was owned and professed by the Gentiles Besides there was his Cowardliness and fear of man that brought him to it with a great deal of dissimulation whereby Barnabas and others were drawn away Gal. 2.12 13. Sir you write much and Err much and yet justifie your self as the most infallible Person in the World when you come to particulars Sir I tell you I shall appeal to any Christian Spirit that reads your Refutation o● these Arguments as you call it whether you give any Testimony of the Spirit of Christ accompanying you in it I say no more but recommend to your serious consideration 1st The third chapter of the first Epistle of S. Paul to the Corinthians especially vers 11 12.13 14 15. 18 19. 2dly The loud Pa●fietick Call of Mr. Vincent in the end of his Book of Love O Tongues of Professors Catholick Communicants as well as others how long will it be ere you be quiet How long shall your breath b● as the E●s●-wind blasting all about you When shall your words be agreeable to the Word of God When shall your Lips feed many and hurt none Your reproachful back-biting railing Language your Lies and Falsehoods have seen your sin and shame and the shame of Religion Repentance and Amendment is absolutely necessary else Salvation will still stand at a distance Isa 63.8 This he said suspecting men spoke of his Conformity R. B. Well Doctor I would not have you offended at what I have said and done I doubt not but whatever I wrote was faulty But I write as a Defendant of Love Unity and the Catholick Church and for the sake of such as being justly afraid of Sin and Idolatry and Damnation are affrighted from Love Unity c. and fall into a wilderness of sinful Divisions and confusions by these frightful names And tho' in the Trials and late Distractions of the Land I mention some of your confessions it is to tell you That I had reason to hope that you repented for doing no more in your publick Opportunities against the Spirit of Division that dissolved us J. O. True had it not been for that Spirit of Division there might not have been cccasion of your Repentance for writing the Holy Commonwealth The World is hardly pe●swaded yet that it was hearty but only to qualify your Self for State-Charity as many Catholick Communicants go to Church and receive the Sacraments R. B. I will do much for that reason that the World may know my Charity with you and have Charity for me for all any thing said of you in this Pamphlet I will tell the Bishops that they should not be angry with you That I know not three men alive whom they are more beholden to for their Restitution by opening the door and sweeping the way and melting down and pulverizing all that was like to have resisted them J. O. Now to return this great favour we will take care if they understand it not already to acquaint them that no ten men in England now alive have done more for their Establishment by dirtying the Dissenters and melting and crumbling the Cause of Nonconformity to attoms that upon the Principles and Reasons that you would have the World beleive it stands it seems justly to them and all other duly considering men the most idle weak and ridiculous thing in the world So that I hope now they will be well pleas'd with us both R. B. Dr. let us shake hands then and be friends and walk like B●e hren in Catholick Communion I tell thee one thing but it 's not fit to be spoken of ye● but among Friends I am going to discourse Dr. Sie●●ck upon this great point of C●tholick Commun●on to beat it into his thick Skull how the Catholick Church is united into one b●dy so as to be one Church I cann't make him understand what 's meant by the word Union nor how many sorts of Union ●e will receive nothing de nomine nor de re but I am not out of hopes of effecting something at last If I cann't do it I am sure no man can It shall escape me hard if I do not ●●r● those worldly Pr. I G. and the unruly Pr. Ig's by Persecution and by causless Separation and Alienation to Catholick Communion J. O. Good night S●r. R. B. Good morrow S●● J. O. We cann't ag●●e on the time of day yet it seems FINIS