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and_o 9.26_o and_o 19.9_o 1_o tim._n 5.22_o deu._n 5.32_o 6_o that_o the_o gift_n of_o interpretation_n and_o application_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o sufficient_a and_o lawful_a call_n to_o the_o ministry_n etc._n etc._n which_o doctrine_n be_v both_o false_a and_o anabaptisticall_a contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n heb._n 5.4_o rom_n 12.6_o 7_o 8._o levit._fw-la 22.25_o ezek._n 44.8_o 9_o etc._n etc._n num._n 1.51_o and_o 3.10_o 38_o and_o 16.40_o and_o 18.2_o 3_o 4._o act._n 1.20.26_o and_o 14.23_o and_o 13.2.3_o 7_o that_o the_o church_n may_v yield_v obedience_n unto_o other_o law_n cannon_n and_o tradition_n officer_n and_o office_n than_o god_n have_v prescribe_v in_o his_o conenant_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o gen._n 49.10_o mal._n 6.24_o john_n 10_o 4_o 5._o ren._n 14.4_o and_o 22_o 18_o 19_o heb._n 3_o 1_o &c_n &c_n 8_o that_o the_o church_n may_v read_v other_o man_n word_n upon_o a_o book_n and_o offer_v they_o up_o to_o god_n as_o their_o own_o prayer_n and_o sacrifice_n in_o the_o public_a assembly_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n esai_n 29.13_o 14._o rom._n 8.26_o 1_o cor._n 14.15_o mat._n 6.6.9_o and_o 15.9_o mar._n 7.7_o ephe._n 4.7_o 8._o 1_o pet._n 2.5_o 9_o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o join_v with_o the_o ministry_n of_o dumb_a and_o jdoll_n priest_n and_o to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n at_o their_o hand_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o mal._n 15.14_o and_o 7.19_o and_o 24.24_o 25._o john_n 10.1.5_o num._n 16_o 5_o 9_o 24_o 26_o 39_o 40_o etc._n etc._n 1_o tim_n 6.5.2_o john_n verse_n 6.11_o 10_o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o minister_n of_o christ_n to_o cease_v preach_v &_o forsake_v his_o flock_n at_o the_o commandment_n of_o a_o lord_n bishop_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o 1_o cor._n 9.16_o esay_n 62.4_o 6_o 7._o jer._n 48.10_o zach._n 11.17_o john_n 10.11_o 12_o 13._o act_n 4.18_o 19_o 20_o and_o 5.29_o amos_n 7.12_o 13_o 14_o 15._o 2_o tim._n 4.2_o 11_o that_o the_o 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of_o christ_n testament_n which_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n be_v condemn_v by_o luke_n 19.14_o 27._o john_n 15.14_o rom._n 6.16_o luke_n 22.25_o 26._o 1_o pet._n 3.2_o thes_n 2_o 3.4_o john_n 3.35.36_o revel_v 9.3_o and_o 14.9.10.11_o and_o 19.14.15_o 14_o that_o there_o may_v be_v a_o prescript_n liturgy_n and_o set_v form_n of_o service_n in_o the_o church_n frame_v by_o man_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o deut._n 5.8_o esai_n 29.13_o 14._o mat._n 15.9_o and_o 7.6.7_o gal._n 3.15_o john_n 4.24_o rom._n 8.26.27_o ephe._n 4.7.8_o 15_o that_o a_o antichristian_a prelate_n notwithstanding_o his_o dignity_n as_o it_o be_v call_v spiritual_a may_v be_v a_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o obey_v of_o the_o people_n as_o their_o lawful_a governor_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o rom._n 13.1_o etc._n etc._n mat._n 20.25_o 26._o mar._n 10.42_o 43._o luke_n 22.25_o 26._o revel_v 14.9_o 10_o 11._o and_o 17.18_o 16_o that_o man_n may_v give_v the_o title_n of_o christ_n jesus_n unto_o these_o son_n of_o man_n and_o his_o mortal_a enemy_n to_o call_v they_o their_o arch_n and_o lord_n bishop_n reverend_a father_n etc._n etc._n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o mat._n 23_o 8_o 9_o 10._o esai_n 42.8_o and_o 48.11_o pro._n 17.15_o and_o 24.24_o esai_n 5.20_o 2_o cor._n 6.14.17_o 17_o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o minister_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v maintain_v in_o his_o ministry_n by_o the_o good_n of_o wicked_a and_o unbeliever_n by_o jewish_a and_o popish_a tithe_n and_o offering_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o prou._n 27.26_o 27._o 1_o cor._n 9.13_o 14._o phil._n 4.10.18_o gal._n 6.6_o rom._n 15.27_o heb._n 7.12_o these_o be_v the_o 17_o point_n which_o be_v mention_v before_o in_o the_o proof_n of_o this_o reason_n which_o the_o adversary_n have_v leave_v altogether_o unanswered_a as_o he_o have_v do_v also_o their_o own_o cannon_n article_n and_o injunction_n which_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o their_o print_a book_n and_o thus_o be_v he_o 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jew_n be_v they_o not_o therefore_o to_o be_v separate_v from_o so_o in_o deed_n he_o will_v conclude_v in_o this_o place_n but_o then_o let_v he_o tell_v we_o if_o corah_n dathan_n and_o abiram_n the_o apostate_n jew_n under_o jeroboam_fw-la the_o corinthian_n papist_n &c_n &c_n may_v not_o allege_v some_o particular_a exception_n wherein_o they_o be_v not_o like_a to_o those_o jew_n act._n 19_o may_v not_o therefore_o separation_n be_v make_v from_o these_o the_o scripture_n teach_v otherwise_o numb_a 16.25_o 26._o 2_o chron_n 11.14_o 2_o cor._n 6.17_o reu._n 18.4_o second_o consider_v the_o place_n itself_o act._n 19.9_o &_o compare_v it_o with_o their_o estate_n &_o practice_n in_o england_n &_o see_v if_o there_o be_v not_o now_o as_o great_a and_o just_a cause_n to_o separate_v from_o they_o as_o from_o the_o other_o be_v not_o these_o now_o harden_v against_o the_o truth_n let_v their_o writing_n against_o it_o their_o imprison_n banish_v and_o kill_v for_o it_o give_v evidence_n do_v they_o not_o disobey_v it_o let_v their_o constitution_n and_o practice_n be_v witness_n speak_v they_o not_o evil_a of_o the_o way_n of_o god_n before_o the_o multitude_n let_v the_o sermon_n of_o their_o minister_n in_o the_o pulpit_n &_o the_o speech_n of_o the_o prelate_n in_o their_o court_n bear_v record_n therefore_o say_v that_o 2.40_o that_o act_n 19.9_o act_n 2.40_o scripture_n act_n 19_o they_o be_v to_o be_v depart_v and_o separate_v from_o whereunto_o also_o may_v be_v add_v in_o this_o case_n that_o which_o peter_n say_v act._n 2_o save_v yourselves_o from_o this_o froward_a generation_n thidly_n be_v he_o object_v that_o paul_n do_v not_o separate_v from_o all_o the_o other_o jew_n as_o he_o do_v from_o these_o act_v 19_o and_o show_v it_o by_o act._n 13.14_o and_o 16.3_o &_o 21_o 23_o 24_o 26._o &_o 3.1_o we_o answer_v that_o the_o apostle_n have_v good_a and_o just_a cause_n so_o to_o do_v for_o first_o the_o jew_n etc._n jew_n rom._n 9.4_o levit._fw-la 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separate_v from_o the_o world_n nor_o set_v in_o the_o way_n and_o order_n of_o christ_n but_o stand_v in_o the_o 8_o the_o reve._n 13.16_o 17._o and_o 18_o 2._o 2_o the._n 2.3_o 4_o 8_o confusion_n and_o defection_n of_o antichrist_n who_o ministry_n also_o and_o worship_n be_v never_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n but_o etc._n but_o reve._n 17.2_o 4_o and_o 18.3_o and_o 9.3_o etc._n etc._n take_v out_o of_o the_o whore_n cup_n of_o babylon_n for_o which_o likewise_o god_n never_o give_v comaundement_n to_o go_v unto_o they_o but_o to_o 5._o to_o reve._n 18.4_o with_o 17.9_o 1_o tim._n 6_o 3_o 5._o depart_v from_o they_o as_o be_v daughter_n of_o the_o great_a babylon_n that_o mother_n of_o whoredom_n and_o abomination_n of_o the_o earth_n again_o even_o from_o those_o jew_n notwithstanding_o the_o reason_n aforesaid_a yet_o when_o they_o put_v from_o they_o the_o truth_n and_o will_v not_o receyve_v it_o the_o apostle_n depart_v and_o separate_v themselves_o yea_o and_o shake_v off_o the_o dust_n of_o their_o foot_n against_o they_o teach_v other_o to_o do_v so_o likewise_o act_n 13.46_o 51._o and_o 18.6_o &_o 28_o 25_o 26_o 27_o 28._o and_o 20.40_o and_o 19.8_o 9_o to_o that_o of_o master_n cranmer_n ridley_n &c_n &c_n be_v answer_v before_o and_o hitherto_o of_o their_o general_a assumption_n which_o be_v this_o that_o the_o whole_a doctrine_n as_o it_o be_v profess_v and_o public_o practise_v by_o law_n in_o england_n be_v sufficient_a to_o make_v a_o particular_a man_n a_o true_a christian_a which_o we_o have_v show_v to_o be_v untrue_a both_o by_o the_o exception_n and_o reason_n aforesaid_a which_o still_o stand_v firm_a against_o they_o as_o be_v manifest_a by_o this_o our_o defence_n touch_v the_o conclusion_n and_o now_o let_v the_o godly_a reader_n try_v all_o thing_n by_o the_o word_n of_o truth_n judge_v whether_o we_o or_o they_o hold_v paradox_n touch_v that_o he_o say_v of_o the_o reform_a church_n he_o be_v deceive_v if_o he_o think_v they_o allow_v 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act_n &_o monument_n 2._o vo_z in_o his_o conference_n with_o peter_n hence_fw-mi speak_v of_o the_o day_n before_o queen_n marie_n say_v the_o time_n be_v when_o the_o pope_n be_v out_o of_o england_n but_o not_o all_o popery_n and_o moreover_o archdeacon_n moreover_o in_o his_o first_o speech_n with_o d._n harpsfielde_n archdeacon_n that_o the_o scripture_n know_v not_o any_o difference_n between_o bishop_n and_o minister_n which_o man_n call_v priest_n and_o that_o the_o scripture_n speak_v of_o bishop_n can_v not_o be_v understand_v of_o bishop_n that_o minister_v not_o but_o lord_n it_o also_o of_o master_n hooper_n who_o hold_v and_o commandment_n and_o hooper_n on_o the_o eight_o commandment_n publish_v that_o a_o bishop_n shall_v be_v bishop_n but_o of_o one_o city_n and_o that_o till_o the_o magistrate_n bring_v they_o to_o this_o point_n it_o shall_v be_v as_o possible_a to_o hear_v a_o bishop_n wade_v godly_a and_o simple_o through_o the_o scripture_n in_o case_n of_o religion_n as_o to_o drive_v a_o camel_n through_o the_o eye_n of_o a_o needle_n and_o again_o he_o say_v the_o primitive_a church_n have_v not_o such_o bishop_n as_o be_v now_o a_o day_n and_o again_o what_o blindness_n say_v he_o be_v there_o befall_v in_o the_o world_n that_o can_v not_o see_v this_o palpable_a ill_a that_o our_o mother_n the_o holy_a church_n have_v at_o the_o beginning_n such_o bishop_n as_o do_v preach_v many_o godly_a sermon_n in_o less_o time_n than_o our_o bishop_n horse_n be_v a_o bridle_a and_o john_n bale_n a_o exile_n for_o the_o testimony_n of_o jesus_n write_v upon_o the_o revelation_n 17.3_o revelation_n bale_n in_o his_o book_n call_v the_o image_n of_o both_o church_n upon_o reu._n 13.1_o and_o 17.3_o affirm_v moreover_o that_o the_o name_n of_o blasphemy_n write_v upon_o the_o beast_n head_n revel_v 13._o and_o
17._o be_v none_o other_o than_o the_o proud_a glitter_a title_n wherewith_o they_o garnish_v their_o usurp_a authority_n to_o make_v it_o seem_v glorious_a to_o the_o world_n have_v within_o they_o contain_v the_o great_a mystery_n of_o iniquity_n what_o other_o else_o say_v he_o also_o be_v pope_n cardinal_n metropolitan_a primate_n archbishop_n diocean_n archdeacon_n official_a chauncelour_n commissarie_n deane_n prebend_n parson_n vicar_n and_o such_o like_a but_o very_a name_n of_o blasphemy_n for_o office_n they_o be_v not_o appoint_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n nor_o yet_o once_o mention_v in_o the_o scripture_n this_o john_n bale_n hold_v and_o publish_v then_o which_o what_o can_v be_v more_o full_a and_o evident_a against_o they_o and_o again_o write_v upon_o the_o 14._o chapter_n of_o the_o revelation_n 14.9_o in_o image_n of_o both_o church_n upon_o reu._n 14.9_o he_o have_v these_o word_n to_o receyve_v the_o beast_n mark_v in_o their_o forehead_n &_o hand_n be_v both_o to_o agree_v to_o such_o decree_n tradition_n law_n constitution_n act_n and_o proclamation_n as_o they_o under_o those_o title_n have_v make_v only_o for_o their_o own_o covetousness_n and_o pomp_n and_o neither_o for_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n nor_o yet_o for_o the_o right_a maintenance_n of_o the_o christian_a common_a wealth_n and_o also_o to_o be_v swear_v to_o the_o same_o to_o subscribe_v to_o it_o to_o give_v counsel_n or_o aid_v to_o it_o to_o maintain_v it_o by_o learning_n to_o minister_v in_o it_o to_o execute_v under_o it_o to_o accuse_v punish_v and_o put_v to_o death_n for_o it_o or_o to_o think_v it_o lawful_a and_o godly_a with_o such_o like_a and_o 16.12_o and_o ibid._n upon_o revel_v 16.12_o afterward_o upon_o the_o 16._o of_o the_o revelation_n expound_v the_o dry_n up_o of_o the_o water_n of_o euphrates_n to_o be_v this_o that_o the_o wealthy_a pope_n possession_n and_o pleasure_n of_o the_o clergy_n their_o false_a feat_n once_o know_v be_v and_o shall_v be_v clear_o 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