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A85151 A true testimony against the Popes wayes, &c. In a return to that agreement of 42. of those that call themselves ministers of Christ (but are proved to be wrongers of men and of Christ) in the county of Worcester, and some adjacent parts, who subscribe their agreement and catechisme with the names and the places where they are pastors, teachers, and rectors, &c. as they say: or as followeth: Richard Baxter teacher of the church at Kiderminster. John Boraston pastor of Ribsford and Bewdley. Richard Eades pastor of Beckford Glocestershire. ... Joh: Dedicote preacher at Abbotesley. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1656 (1656) Wing F509; Thomason E870_6; ESTC R202116 86,932 79

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you live in and have confessed in your Agreement and say 1 Joh. 2.4 Math. 23.27 Math. 23.24 1 Joh. 1.18 16. Phil. 3.2 Acts 10.29 Luke 3.7 Math. 23.33 it is Censorious and un Gospel-like yet notwithstanding the Spirit of truth and they that were guided by it called the Serpents seed by names proper to their nature as Lyers Hypocrites blind-guides Seducers and Antichrists as well as Doggs Wolys Foxes Serpents and Vipers and if it were not un Gospel-like in them so to do being thereunto guided by a Gospel-Spirit and how comes it to be more un Gospel-like now in them that are thereunto guided so to say by the Gospel-Spirit or was not the Serpents seed then as well as now offended at it and raised persecution against them that witnessed by the Spirit of truth against their deceits as the Serpents seed now doth consider of it and Judge your selves for the tree is known by its fruits And in your sixth answer you are telling how Christ proved his doctrine but I say you do not prove by your fruits that you are in the same but out of it and confesseth as well as proveth that you are none of his Ministers but wrongers of him as your words and actions against you witnesseth and therefore you should first by your fruits and practise have proved your selves to have been following his example and the practise of the Gospel Ministers and then you had done something for both he and his to wit true Prophets and Apostles have sufficiently thereby proved theirs without you whose lives and the Spirit by which they were enspired stands to witnesse against you Joh. 14.6 Heb. 7.25 Heb. 5.8 9. 1 Tim. 3.15 Joh. 14.17 Job 1.6 Gal. 4.6 Rom. 8.14 1 Joh. 2.14 20 27 and such as are out of the way of truth and running yet further from God who through ignorance sets up the letter and your Catechisme as the way into the truth and knoweth not that Christ is the way to the Father and to salvation without you and wrongers of him c. as the letter witnesseth and so is his light Joh. 8.12 and Spirit the way out of darkesse and guide into all truth Joh. 16.13 and is the standing rule in his Church the piller and ground of truth and that the holy Spirit doth enlighten mens hearts is true but the letter doth not so nor your Catechisme as in your 7th answer it seemes you would have it neither hath it yet turned you from Sathan unto God who are in miscarriages growing worse and as you say continually prone to do evill and are running yet further from God and therefore you are neither in the faith nor joyned to Christ that are running from God and turned wrongers both of men and of Christ neither are you justified therein but are unpardoned for the same as your selves confesse and so are not made the Sons of God that are not borne of him nor quickened by grace but dead in sin and living in your former and present miscarriages growing worse and worse and so are neither sanctified nor that peculiar people you speak of in Answer the seventh in that called your Catechisme For you say The peculier people are made the Sons of God and sanctified unto him overcoming the world the flesh and the Devill and are Zealous of good works serving God in holynesse and righteousnesse c. But I say you make it manifest that you are not sanctified nor justified then according to your sayings you are not made the Sons of God nor that peculiar people which are persecuted by you who live in the miscarriages growing worse and worse your deeds proves your sayings therein against you that are yet running further from God and turned wrongers of Christ and of men but his peculiar people that are justified and sanctified they do not so but witnesseth against those that live in miscarriages that are wrongers of Christ and his whose blind Zeale carries them forth into persecution and unrighteousnesse and therefore are Zealous in an evill work like you as both your writeing casting the innocent into Prisons and your actions against you declare And where you tell of the end of the righteous and wicked in Answer the eighth of your Catechisme In reply thereunto Let me tell you that you have sufficiently proved your selves to be the wicked and therefore expect their reward or that which is due for the same for there is no respect of persons with God who will render to every man according to his deeds even Indignation and wrath unto them that are contentious and obey not the t●uth but obey unrighteousnesse as you do that live in Miscarriages and grow worse and worse Rom. 2.6 8 9 10 11. verses like such who after their hardnesse and Impenitent heart are running further from God are treasureing up unto themselves wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of God and as you may read Rom. 2.20 And you say in your Ninth answer of your Catechisme that Christ hath appointed that fit men should be Ordained his Ministers to disciple the undiscipled but I say you are out of that Royall ordination and are not those fit men therefore are not appointed to be his Ministers for those that are chosen by Christ and so fitted and appointed they are his freinds and do his commands and he hath ordained that they should go and bring forth fruit that their fruit should remain and because they are not of the world but chosen out of the world to witness against the evil of it Joh. 15.14 15 16 19 20. Joh. 7.7 therefore are they hated of the World as Christ himself was but instead of being hated of the World and suffering for Christ bringing forth fruit to God you are beloved of the World and in your Miscarriages are growing worse and bringing forth fruit to the flesh who are running yet further from God and turned persecuters also of his who are wrongers of Christ and them and therefore you have made it manifest that you are neither fitted nor appointed of him whom you so wrong and run further from and therefore are you unfit to disciple or teach others to walk in the right way your selves being still in the wrong continuing therein and are yet running further on that are running from God and so run unsent and therefore are out of the Royall Ordination and Gospel appointment who are yet dead in sin continually prone to do evil and therein growing worse and so under a state of Condemnation your painting and garnishing your selves with the Saints words and living out of their practice in your continued Miscarriages and growing therein worse makes it manifest that you have not learned the lesson of self deniall to come out of them that you might follow Christ through the daily crosse and Minister in the same and so you have proved that you are very unfit to teach others who are not
the Creature and these were never ordained by the world but by their own Master Christ Jesus by whom the world was made who agrees with his servants about what he sees meete but never made use of the hireling who takes his wages from the world for it is not like that the world who loves their evill deeds should uphold that Ministry which brings them to light so with the light you are seene and what you have been doing these many yeares and what you are now doing and your works and your fruits are come to light you Parish masters who have given your servants which attend you your liveries who serve and worship and bow to you and they are Joh. 8.3.4 2 Pet. 3.3 Act. 17.5.6 worne in your streets and by them it is knowne whose servants they are they are your servants who are now found scoffing and scorning and dirting the simple innocent harmelesse Lambes of Christ punnishing beating and haling in your synagogues and haling before rulers and swearing against and false accusing to add to the afflictions of the afflicted strengthen their bonds whereby the Scriptures is fulfilled upon you and them the sweareing lying filthy communications drunkennesse that is seen in your streets Rom. 1.28 29. c. the stage playes and foolish sports invented for no other end but to fulfil the lust draw the minds of people from their God which you have invented fine names for calling them pastimes and recreations which the Saints never did nor lived in the vanity pride and oppression that abounds in your Townes couzening fighting and suing and all abominations is found in your servants and you are their Masters which they who have no master but Christ abhors to live in so your livery is worne and your marke is received and known you are in the light and read your names and the number of them your servants and service with the worke they are found in which you must own though you rage when you are told of it yet all these belong to some of you Reve. 13.18 Reve. 12.7 Reve. 12.7.8 9 12 13. and by this thus gotten are you maintained and you own them and their Prophets their service and worship and the servants of Christ they are seene who cannot worship any but him and so they suffer with him all those things to be done unto them as was done unto him and in the light they are known and the enmity is begun and is great between the seed of the woman and the seed of the Dragon and there is no more hiding place for the Serpent nor in Heaven have they any place so to the earth they are cast and there they are rageing disquieting the inhabitants thereof and stirring up the powers thereof against the lambe to battel and many are gathered and gathering and the numberlesse number is making up to goe out against a scorned and contemptible weake and foolish people with envy and in great rage with all manner of lying divinations that they may beset them round and smite them on every side and the masters and their servants are all at worke some they are laying snares and setting gins for the innocent who is set by the Lord to reprove sin openly in the gate and they are ready to sweare against them that they are peace-breakers and turbulent pestilent fellows when they have almost murdered them in the streets all blood and bruised dirted and stoned yet they to prison must for offenders for the words they have spoken and if any be moved to goe to the Idols Temple amongst them you call the Churches to speak a word or if they speak not a word Act. 17.5 6 7 8. Act. 21.28.30.31 ver Act 24.5.6 Joh. 15.18 19 20. Joh. 16.1 2 3. if they be but known to be of that seed which will not bow in the house of rimmon there they are haled and beat and teared and pulled by the haire and beat with their Bibles and struck downe so that your Churches are more cru●ll then your markets as they are further from God so they are further from mercy justice and Judgment not one of you once to consider that for this very thing it was that the servants of God Prophets and Apostles did formerly suffer beating whipping imprisonment bonds and death but as though all this was nothing to you who are the Masters of this worke you still cry out like men stark drunk with blood to the rulers for greater punnishment to be infflicted upon those who have none on earth to plead their cause So that having prevailed to the filling of most of the Prisons in the Nation more then ever your fore-Fathers the Bishops did so that such a list may be given of your inprisoning stocking beating whipping and blooding in these three last yeares since the Nation had outward peace as will not be produced in three score yeares of your Fore-fathers and further to blood you are hasting as fast as you can prevaile with the Magistrates to fulfill your thirst how many petitions have beene formed by you Parish masters to the Magistrates against the despised people under the names of heresies and errors and blasphemies and as envious names as your envy cold invent to incense people and powers against them but never yet could convince us to our faces thereof by the Scriptures and the Saints lives without wrestings neither did you ever deale so Christian like as to desire that your practise and ours may be brought face to face before the magistrates and the Scriptures to stand as judge betwixt us and you as it is a declaration against heresies error and blasphemy but if you may not be our Judges and your own and the Scriptures too you cry out of heresie and fall a rageing and false accuseing shewing your selves to be of the generation of backbitters who will not come to the light to convince nor be convinced but cry out to the Magistrates that they must prepare greater punnishments against us shewing to all that you seeke more to destroy the bodies then save the soules crying out to men to Judge us and censure us but will not bring us to be tried by the Saints lives and practice how many of us have beene censured by drunkards and swearers and carnall men by your meanes but did you ever bring the Scriptures to lay before us and out and of that censure and Judge us as it is without your meaning added to it but this you know would fall upon your own backs and condemne your own practice if we be such heretiques as you call us why are we not convinced before authority by the Saints practice and judgment can any law judge of heresie but the law of God and is that which we do now more heresie then formerly being the same both in pure life and judgment you use to accuse us falsly saying we deny the Scriptures yet are we denied the benefit to be proved and judged thereby and because you say we are so that is sufficient in your account whereon to passe sentence and upon this account hath Christ suffered all along by your generation and doth at this day who have erred after the error of Balaam for gists and rewards and goe after the way of Caine in envy and murther and both these are one Spirit the covetous the murtherer seducer are one against the light which shews your evil deeds and the ground of your envy is the same wherefore did Cain hate Ids brother because his deeds were evill and his brothers good so for declareing freely the way of truth for reproving sin in Preists and people high and low as we are moved now we beare the envy of all whose deeds are evill and cannot endure reproofe For them whom the world reproacheth under the name of Quakers who are hated and persecuted for the Testimony of Jesus
the rule of creating of Priests Ministers Pastors Teachers and Rectors or ordering amongst them c. untill the raigne of Henry the 8th in this realme and then did not he cut the Pope out off that which he had brought forth into Parochiall rights so called as Tithes Obventions c. And did not he set up Arch-bishops and Bishops and they created or called your fore-Fathers the Priests Pastors and Rectors and Teachers c And were not the Arch-Bishops their and your Creators or Callers cut off by the late Parlirment and rendered uselesse and do not you now call and create one another and if so are not you selfe-callers to selfish Ministry and how can you cleare your selves from being instead of young Popes or like the young Bishops that were before you creating or making and calling Priests Pastors Teachers and Rectors and so self-callers of self-seekers putting out and in at your pleasure displeasure so are creating begetting or calling one another for your own ends now are found as you say wrongers of Christ and men and therefore may well fear that God will require their blood at your hands and so you are on uncertain grounds men also as you say of miscarriages growing worse and are yet without pardon for the same The papists sets up a worship in their wills and in that nature which teacheth them to neglect the great work of God according to his word and do not they excommunicate such as will not walk with them in their inventions and worship their Imaginary worship set up in that nature out of which ariseth all Miscarriages c. and do not you promise the same And then wherein do you and the Papists differ but onely in the maner if you do so agree in the matter and be all one in the main c. It is not your calling others Papists that are not that can cleare you from that root neither doth your saying that you are the Ministers of Christ prove you to be so who are found out of his doctrin and not knowing his commandes or call his ministry and worship that refuse his way and walk in the practice of his ministers who your selves are Lords and Masters and called by man approved sett up and are receiving your wages of the world and persecuting Christs messengers that are sent to witnesse against deceits and deceivers and would think to make people believe you to be that which you are not by casting that upon others which is yours received from your fore-fathers and returns upon you and Papists again to remain from whence it came and the burthen you are like to bear and judgment from God expect for the wrong against him and men which you do and have done And now that your deceits is made manifest and testified against you are seeking to revive your former work to deceive people by your flatteries and false confessions and Colourable glosses for you set up your will-worships in the nature which is contrary to God and hath taught you to neglect his work as you say according to his word in that nature by which you have been led into your miscarriages and promiseth salvation upon the performance and damnation you threaten upon the refusall and say you shall proceed with those that refuse and deal with them as the obstinate despisers of Instruction ought to be dealt withall but are not you the obstinate despisers of the Instructions of the Lord who have neglected his work c. and lives in the miscarriages wronging Christ and men c then expect to be so dealt withall in the first place your selves for all this you say you will do to others c. whilst you are bewailing your own negligence in the work of God and confessing your Miscarrigaes and wrong by you done to God and men and telling of the little effect which your ministry hath wrought and of your peoples sleep in security and being in sin unturned to God and you had then to go a begging for your pardon May 4. 1655. And yet you being in the old birth and the fall in the evil nature bringing forth such evill fruits and whilst unpardoned you frame your Image resolves to go on and states your time layes your penalty and promise how you will deal with those that refuse to worship your Image set up in your wills the old nature and will not submit you threaten to deal with them as obstinate refusers of Instructions but is but such instructions as proceeds from your obstinate spirits which hath kept you in the Miscarriages and neglect of the work of God Luke 16.11 15. Luke 12.45 46 27. Math. 25.41 42. Matth. 7.21 22 23. c. wronging both Men and his Son and wants your pardon then as you say for the same and I say you cannot tell whether the Lord in the first place will deal with you as obstinate refusers of his Instructions and cast you out as unjust stewards for both your obstinacy negl●gence and wrong done to men and to Christ his Son he hath good grounds to proceed against you on and needs little evidence from others for your own mouths and tongues hath confessed the same and it had been wisdom to had waited till the triall had been over and to know whether you should have a pardon or be cast out for what you in the rebellion of your hearts against the Light and Living truth of God c. have already done And to see how you should have been dealt withall your selves for the same before you should have threatened what you would do to others Rom. 2.5 6 8 9. Rev. 14.9 10 11 Rev. 20.10 13 14 15. that refuseth your Instruction Remember That when you so said you was not then in the counsel of the Living God and therefore you spake it without the fear of God rashly out of a reprobate sence presumtuously saying so before your pardon for your high contempt that wronged Men and Christ c. and knew not but that you might be condemned at the judgment seat and cast out as reprobates and neglecters of the work of God and for your Miscarrariages c. into perdition and receive according to your deserts and into the pit which for others you have digged you your selves to be cast and be tormented for Joh. 16.13 Heb. 5.8 9. at the last In page the 4. you set up your will-worships which you call Catechisme end personal familiar instruction not being then pardoned nor knowing the Spirit of Christ to guide you out of your Error Heresie Miscarriages and Wrong by you done to men and to Christ page 19. to guide out of deceits flatteries into the truth which spirit is for instruction to guide all that obey it you say that Catechisme personal Instruction is for the killing of Ignorance and quickning the understanding and so puts that instead of the Spirit Eph. 2.1 Col. 3. Rom. 8.13
evill and lusts of the Devill which such continue in who are dead in sin and departed from God yet ● Pet. 1.18.22 23. notwithstanding they that are quickened and by grace saved they witnesse Gods Love and redemption from the vain conversation and from the Miscarriages which you live in unredeemed from and they that witnesse Gods Love in sending his Son and redemption from the va●n conversation Miscarriages c. they also witnesse deliverance from the power of darknesse as they that write to the Saints Col. 1.12 13 14. at Collosse did who were delivered from the power of the Devill and were translated when they writ to the Saints that were at Colosse into the kingdom of the dear Son by whom redemption came and were then giving thanks unto God the Father who had made them partakers of the inheritance of the Saints in light as such are now giving thanks that are in the inheritance and are quickened as the writer to and the Saints at Ephesus was that were made to sit with Christ Jesus in Heavenly places Eph. 5.8 10 12. Eph. 2.1 6. Who walked in the light reproved darknesse after they were quickened by grace and called into it But what is that to you that lives in Miscarriages doing wrong to Christ and men and are persecuters of the redeemed who witnessed the love of God in sending his Son to redeem them for whose sake they suffer and walking in the light are made to reprove your deeds of darknesse and you that say you are redeemed and are not but lives yet in Miscarriages growing worse and people as well as you in sin unturned to God your selves wronging them Christ in deceiving souls for your own ends persecuting those that are redeemed and witnesse against your deceits and you that are not redeemed but under the curse of the law wrath of God and the power of the Devill so that you are by nature dead in sin and prone to do more evill continually and to grow worse and depart yet further from God as you say you do and therefore are neither redeemed nor turned to God nor come to repentance which you say is a through turning from the Devill the world and the flesh unto God And what have you to do to call your selves Saints and Ministers of Christ and tell of redemption c. who are not yet come to repentance then not to redemption that are not yet quickned then not saved sanctified and sent nor so much as yet turned to God but instead of turning to him are running on in the broad way and as you say further from him and do not the Papists and Hereticks the same and what have you to do to talk of the Scriptures to be your rule that are out of the life of them and in Miscarriages growing worse which the Scripture forbids And what do you talke of the new birth and Saints life for that are out of their practice and your selves dead in sin and in the old birth or doth the new birth consist in Miscarriages death in sin unquickened in growing worse and yet running further from God and wronging both Christ and men as you do wherefore be ashamed and blush your deeds of darknesse are now come to light And you say in your Fifth Answer that the Lord Jesus Christ hath ordained that all they that receive him by a true effectuall faith and by true repentance are obliged or bound to forsake the Devill and the world and the flesh and heartily turn from them unto God that they may receive the pardon of their sins and become Sons of God and heirs of everlasting life then it seems you grant that such as are to repentance come who recieve Christ by an effectuall faith and therein abide who hath forsaken the Devill and the world and the flesh and are heartily turned out of them unto God such you account to be and grant that they are the Sons of God and heirs of everlasting life And I say Are not such in a state of perfection or will not you deny this again and persecute such as in spirit and truth witnesse the same But admitt it to be so and also as you therein say yet what is that to you that are not turned from the Devill and out of the world nor from the flesh unto God but are in the Miscarriages growing worse and therefore in the world and not turned out who are wrongers of Christ and men and therefore in the flesh bringing forth persecution and the fruits of the same and are yet dead in sin then not alive in the effectuall faith and being under the curse of the law then not under the grace of the Gospel and being under the wrath of God you are in the disobedience therefore being in the disobedience the wrath is that which is your desert for the same and being in the disobedience and under the wrath as in your third answer c. then you are not in the new covenant but out of the love of the pure God and being o●t of his love in your Miscarriages and growing worse you are not forsaking them to become better and therefore you grow not in grace who are in Miscarriages and growing worse and so you do but dissemble and flatter when you promise amendment and doth not amend nor regard to perform what you have promised but instead thereof are accusing your selves where you say you wrong Christ and men and are growing worse as well as departing yet further from God therefore you do not receive the effectuall faith nor come to repentance which you say is a through turning from the flesh and the world c unto God neither do you forsake the Devill that labours for him in doing wrong to Christ and men c. nor the world and the flesh who continues in your Miscarriages fruits of the same who are therein growing worse and worse as you say and you do not yet turn unto God who are opposite to him and running further from him and therefore according to your own words fruits and sayings you that are such are not Sons of God nor in the effectuall faith and being without repentance arid remission therefore you are not heirs of Salvation but in danger of damnation according to your fifth Answer but to this you add c. And you say they that sincerely Love the Lord Jesus and obey him to the death they shall be glorified and they that will not do all this to wit forsake the Devill the world and the flesh and not faignedly but heartily turn from them unto God and sincerely love and obey him to the death they that do not all this you say they shall be damned here be you witnesses against your selves that you do not do it all and as you say that are neglecters of the work or God page 3. and in your former and present Miscarriages unpardoned page the 4. and people in sin unturned