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torment_v in_o the_o fiery_a flame_n of_o purgatory_n the_o same_o father_n in_o another_o place_n have_v these_o word_n genesin_n hom._n 5._o in_o genesin_n he_o that_o in_o this_o present_a life_n shall_v not_o wash_v away_o his_o sin_n shall_v find_v no_o consolation_n hereafter_o this_o be_v the_o time_n of_o combat_v that_o of_o crowning_z i_o shall_v only_o add_v what_o he_o write_v in_o his_o second_o homily_n upon_o lazarus_n quote_v by_o bellarmin_n when_o we_o be_v depart_v hence_o it_o be_v not_o in_o our_o power_n to_o repent_v or_o to_o wash_v away_o the_o sin_n we_o have_v commit_v 36._o v._o cyril_n alexand_n in_o joan._n lib._n 12._o c._n 36._o thus_o we_o have_v see_v that_o the_o greek_a father_n in_o the_o first_o age_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o of_o the_o present_a roman_a faith_n as_o to_o this_o new_a article_n of_o purgatory_n i_o may_v descend_v low_a be_v it_o not_o needless_a for_o it_o be_v confess_v by_o some_o of_o the_o romish_a writer_n 572._o v._o polyd._n virg._n de_fw-fr invent_v rerum_fw-la lib._n 8._o c._n 1._o alph._n de_fw-fr castro_n c._n 8._o p._n 572._o particular_o roffensis_n the_o pope_n martyr_n in_o henry_n viii_o his_o day_n that_o in_o the_o ancient_a father_n especial_o the_o greek_n there_o be_v either_o none_o or_o very_o rare_a mention_n of_o purgatory_n neither_o say_v he_o do_v the_o latin_a father_n all_o at_o once_o receive_v it_o neither_o do_v the_o greek_a church_n at_o this_o day_n believe_v it_o this_o concession_n be_v true_a for_o the_o greek_n in_o their_o print_a confession_n offer_v to_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n jeremy_n patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n 1438._o ann._n 1438._o in_o his_o censure_n of_o the_o lutheran_n confession_n and_o cyril_n patriarch_n of_o that_o church_n in_o his_o confession_n of_o faith_n send_v by_o he_o to_o cornelius_n hage_n ambassador_n for_o the_o state_n of_o holland_n at_o constantinople_n an._n 1630._o deny_v any_o purgation_n of_o sin_n after_o death_n by_o fire_n in_o purgatory_n which_o say_v the_o greek_n in_o their_o apology_n be_v condemn_v by_o the_o five_o general_n council_n although_o it_o be_v not_o now_o to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o late_a edition_n of_o the_o council_n from_o what_o have_v be_v say_v i_o hope_v it_o be_v evident_a first_o that_o there_o neither_o be_v nor_o ever_o be_v any_o catholic_n or_o universal_a consent_n of_o all_o christian_a church_n as_o to_o this_o new_a roman_a article_n of_o faith_n viz._n purgatory_n second_o that_o bellarmin_n the_o jesuit_n do_v but_o abuse_v the_o world_n in_o quote_v the_o greek_a father_n as_o own_v it_o for_o be_v it_o probable_a that_o the_o roman_n shall_v understand_v their_o meaning_n in_o their_o write_n better_a than_o themselves_o it_o be_v true_a some_o of_o they_o as_o origen_n gregory_n nyssen_n etc._n etc._n mention_n purgation_n of_o soul_n from_o sin_n by_o fire_n but_o it_o make_v nothing_o for_o the_o popish_a doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n for_o first_o origen_n purgatory_n be_v universal_a which_o all_o prophet_n apostle_n 6._o origen_n in_o exod._n hom._n 6._o the_o bless_a virgin_n must_v pass_v through_o not_o some_o only_a neither_o very_o good_a nor_o very_o bad_a but_o of_o a_o middle_a sort_n as_o romanist_n hold_v second_o the_o purgation_n saint_n basil_n gregory_n nyssen_n and_o other_o speak_v of_o be_v not_o before_o the_o resurrection_n lucam_n v._o origen_n in_o lib._n regum_fw-la p._n 36._o contra_fw-la celsum_fw-la lib._n 5._o p._n 241._o cyrilli_n catech._n l._n 15._o pag._n 168._o ego_fw-la puto_fw-la quod_fw-la &_o post_fw-la resurrectionem_fw-la ex_fw-la mortuis_fw-la indigeamus_fw-la sacramento_fw-la nos_fw-la eluente_fw-la &_o purgante_fw-la origen_n hom._n 14._o in_o lucam_n but_o at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n by_o the_o fire_n of_o conflagration_n which_o shall_v purge_v as_o some_o think_v the_o whole_a creation_n so_o that_o at_o last_o all_o man_n even_o devil_n too_o shall_v be_v save_v as_o origen_n hold_v who_o turn_v hell_n into_o purgatory_n such_o sentence_n of_o the_o father_n will_v not_o at_o all_o be_v serviceable_a to_o our_o adversary_n purpose_n so_o much_o for_o the_o greek_a come_v we_o now_o to_o the_o latin_a father_n i_o shall_v begin_v with_o tertullian_n who_o in_o his_o apologetic_n cap._n 47._o mention_n only_o two_o place_n to_o which_o soul_n go_v hell_n and_o paradise_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr testimon_n animae_fw-la cap._n 4._o he_o thus_o bespeak_v the_o soul_n we_o affirm_v thou_o to_o remain_v after_o death_n and_o to_o expect_v the_o day_n of_o judgement_n sempiterno_fw-la expectare_fw-la diem_fw-la judicii_fw-la proque_fw-la merito_fw-la aut_fw-la cruciatui_fw-la destinari_fw-la aut_fw-la refrigerio_fw-la utroque_fw-la sempiterno_fw-la and_o according_a to_o your_o behaviour_n to_o be_v destinate_a to_o torment_v or_o comfort_n and_o both_o eternal_a as_o for_o temporary_a torment_n in_o the_o fire_n of_o purgatory_n before_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n tertullian_n take_v no_o notice_n of_o they_o in_o his_o five_o book_n against_o martion_n cap._n 6._o comment_v on_o that_o famous_a place_n 1_o cor._n 3._o he_o right_o understand_v the_o gold_n silver_n hay_o stubble_n not_o of_o sin_n venial_a or_o mortal_a but_o doctrine_n worthy_a or_o unworthy_a of_o the_o foundation_n i._n e._n christ_n or_o christian_a religion_n 〈◊〉_d strom_n 5._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o who_o agree_v clemens_n of_o alex._n in_o his_o four_o book_n cap._n 34._o against_o martion_n as_o also_o de_n anima_fw-la cap._n 35.55_o he_o say_v the_o soul_n of_o all_o good_a christian_n be_v in_o abraham_n be_v bosom_n in_o refrigerio_fw-la a_o place_n of_o refreshment_n until_o the_o resurrection_n as_o many_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n thought_n when_o they_o shall_v receive_v plenitudinem_fw-la mercedis_fw-la the_o fullness_n of_o their_o reward_n not_o as_o papist_n now_o teach_v any_o of_o they_o in_o purgatorian_a torment_n it_o be_v far_a observable_a that_o he_o there_o distinguish_v that_o place_n from_o hell_n or_o any_o part_n of_o it_o as_o purgatory_n be_v suppose_v to_o be_v and_o discourse_v on_o those_o word_n apply_v by_o romanist_n to_o purgatory_n thou_o shall_v not_o come_v out_o thence_o till_o thou_o have_v pay_v the_o uttermost_a farthing_n he_o affirm_v that_o all_o soul_n abide_v apud_fw-la inferos_fw-la till_o the_o resurrection_n which_o utter_o overthrow_v the_o roman_a doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n and_o render_v all_o their_o mass_n indulgence_n &c_n &c_n vain_a and_o unprofitable_a from_o the_o master_n let_v we_o pass_v to_o his_o scholar_n saint_n cyprian_n who_o in_o his_o epistle_n to_o demetrian_n say_v that_o at_o the_o end_n of_o this_o temporal_a life_n we_o be_v sever_v into_o the_o receptacle_n either_o of_o eternal_a death_n or_o immortality_n 166._o ad_fw-la aeternae_fw-la mortis_fw-la vel_fw-la immortalitatis_fw-la hospitia_fw-la dividamur_fw-la p._n 166._o and_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr bono_fw-mi mortalitatis_fw-la he_o comfort_v the_o christian_n general_o in_o a_o time_n of_o rage_a pestilence_n with_o these_o consideration_n that_o the_o servant_n of_o christ_n when_o they_o die_v depart_z as_o simeon_n desire_v in_o peace_n enter_v into_o paradise_n go_v to_o christ_n begin_v to_o reign_v with_o christ_n that_o when_o they_o be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o storm_n of_o this_o world_n they_o gain_v the_o haven_n of_o rest_n and_o eternal_a security_n petimus_fw-la securitatis_fw-la aeternae_fw-la portum_fw-la petimus_fw-la last_o that_o after_o death_n the_o righteous_a be_v call_v ad_fw-la refrigerium_fw-la to_o refreshment_n not_o torment_n in_o purgatory_n fire_n whither_o some_o be_v send_v by_o the_o romanist_n and_o the_o unrighteous_a to_o punishment_n all_o which_o expression_n be_v utter_o inconsistent_a with_o this_o new_a article_n of_o faith_n as_o every_o man_n not_o blind_v with_o prejudice_n may_v easy_o discern_v to_o the_o same_o 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judicii_fw-la of_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n after_o the_o resurrection_n whereas_o our_o adversary_n