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A26620 Scolding no scholarship in the abyss, or, Groundless grounds of the Protestant religion as holden out by M. Menzeis in his brawlings against M. Dempster. Abercromby, David, d. 1701 or 2.; Menzeis, John, 1624-1684. Papismus lucifugus. 1669 (1669) Wing A87; ESTC R23824 96,397 214

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