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100l_n novelisme_n reply_v p._n 100l_n here_o be_v a_o champion_n in_o campis_fw-la gurgustidonijs_fw-la he_o tell_v strange_a thing_n monster_n of_o his_o own_o labour_n yet_o very_a few_o i_o think_v will_v believe_v he_o but_o how_o will_v he_o perform_v this_o why_o by_o prove_v that_o martin_n luther_n be_v the_o first_o broacher_n of_o the_o protestant_n religion_n ibid._n religion_n reply_v ibid._n the_o jesuite_n i_o suppose_v know_v that_o the_o apostle_n be_v first_o call_v christian_n at_o antioch_n though_o the_o reform_a church_n be_v mistyle_v by_o they_o after_o luther_n begin_v to_o preach_v but_o let_v they_o prove_v the_o doctrine_n as_o new_a as_o the_o name_n they_o have_v give_v it_o otherwise_o they_o vain_o contend_v whereas_o he_o be_v further_a of_o opinion_n that_o this_o same_o can_v be_v more_o strong_o prove_v then_o by_o the_o open_a confession_n of_o the_o say_v luther_n himself_o 109._o himself_o reply_v p._n 109._o &c._n &c._n to_o this_o i_o answer_v 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church_n in_o those_o time_n wherein_o by_o the_o confession_n of_o his_o own_o learned_a father_n and_o brother_n it_o be_v invisible_a and_o not_o able_a to_o be_v sâ—â—nâ—_n 1st_a reply_v p._n 1st_a this_o will_v be_v be_v try_v in_o the_o examination_n when_o the_o jesuite_n will_v entreat_v one_o of_o his_o brethren_n to_o examine_v the_o same_o and_o answer_v it_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n he_o charge_v we_o false_o to_o hold_v the_o church_n absolute_o invisible_a for_o if_o the_o church_n be_v consider_v as_o contain_v all_o of_o all_o age_n that_o believe_v the_o truth_n this_o we_o say_v be_v not_o total_o visible_a the_o great_a part_n be_v in_o heaven_n if_o we_o take_v the_o church_n for_o those_o which_o be_v sincere_a in_o their_o profession_n and_o be_v true_a member_n of_o christ_n 2._o tim._n 2._o 19_o then_o we_o say_v that_o a_o humane_a eye_n can_v behold_v any_o member_n thereof_o but_o by_o probability_n and_o conjecture_n if_o foâ—_n the_o people_n that_o 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there_o be_v many_o that_o profess_v the_o truth_n of_o christ_n in_o all_o age_n though_o under_o persecution_n in_o the_o succession_n of_o the_o babylonish_n tyranny_n and_o this_o the_o jesuit_n may_v have_v observe_v if_o he_o have_v read_v the_o same_o for_o by_o the_o place_n of_o ambrose_n in_o the_o title-page_n we_o may_v conceive_v that_o his_o intention_n be_v to_o show_v that_o though_o the_o church_n be_v in_o condition_n many_o time_n like_o the_o mâ—â—ne_n at_o full_a decrease_a increase_a yet_o it_o ever_o do_v remain_v a_o church_n and_o such_o a_o one_o who_o motion_n may_v be_v discern_v and_o describe_v 〈◊〉_d describe_v ambros_n hâ—xâ—â—â—er_n l._n 4._o c._n â—_o ecclesia_fw-la vide_fw-la tuâ—_n sicut_fw-la luna_fw-la dâ—ficere_fw-la sed_fw-la noâ—_n dâ—ficit_fw-la obâ—â—â—â—ari_fw-la poâ—â—â—â—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d secoâ—dly_o say_v the_o jesuite_n he_o bring_v in_o for_o pillarâ—_n of_o his_o successive_a church_n waldo_n wicklife_o and_o husse_n 110._o husse_n reply_v p._n 110._o here_o be_v sufficient_a to_o show_v that_o the_o jesuite_n do_v not_o care_n what_o he_o say_v nor_o fear_v to_o censure_v thing_n that_o he_o never_o see_v for_o it_o be_v câ—â—are_v