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A69535 The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by His Sacred Majesty as commissioners for the review and alteration of the Book of common prayer, &c. : being an exact account of their whole proceedings : the most perfect copy. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691.; Commission for the Review and Alteration of the Book of Common Prayer. 1661 (1661) Wing B1278A; Wing E3841; ESTC R7198 132,164 165

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dissent_n show_v rom._n 14._o than_o you_o ever_o yet_o produce_v for_o force_v other_o from_o ministry_n and_o church_n into_o sin_n and_o hell_n if_o they_o will_v not_o obey_v you_o against_o their_o conscience_n and_o all_o for_o that_o which_o you_o never_o pretend_v to_o show_v a_o command_n of_o god_n for_o and_o other_o show_v you_o as_o they_o think_v scripture_n and_o council_n and_o custom_n against_o to_o tell_v we_o then_o that_o paul_n speak_v of_o thing_n not_o decent_a and_o sign_n ficant_a be_v pardon_v our_o plainess_n to_o say_v much_o less_o than_o nothing_o for_o it_o be_v not_o against_o impose_v that_o paul_n speak_v but_o use_v and_o not_o use_v censure_v and_o despise_v and_o their_o argument_n be_v suitable_a to_o their_o cause_n of_o another_o kind_n of_o moment_n than_o decency_n or_o indecency_n significancy_n or_o insignificancy_n even_o from_o suppose_a idolatry_n reject_v god_n law_n and_o comply_v with_o the_o jew_n and_o heretic_n in_o restore_v the_o 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much_o upon_o they_o may_v be_v suffer_v to_o deceive_v the_o people_n and_o to_o raise_v in_o they_o vain_a fear_n and_o jealousy_n of_o their_o governor_n but_o if_o all_o man_n will_v as_o they_o ought_v study_v peace_n and_o quietness_n they_o will_v find_v other_o and_o better_a fruit_n of_o these_o law_n of_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n as_o edification_n decency_n order_n and_o beauty_n in_o the_o service_n and_o worship_n of_o god_n reply_n whether_o the_o ceremony_n be_v as_o innocent_a as_o to_o division_n as_o the_o gospel_n a_o strange_a assertion_n will_v better_a appear_v when_o what_o we_o have_v say_v and_o what_o be_v more_o full_o say_v by_o dr._n ames_n bradshaw_n and_o other_o be_v well_o answer_v if_o the_o true_a cause_n of_o our_o division_n be_v as_o you_o say_v lust_n and_o inordinate_a desire_n of_o honour_n or_o wealth_n or_o licentiousness_n than_o the_o party_n that_o be_v most_o lustful_a ambitious_a covetous_a and_o licentious_a be_v like_a to_o be_v most_o 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heart_n and_o hand_n to_o heaven_n and_o think_v oh_o what_o be_v man_n what_o may_v not_o by_o some_o history_n be_v tell_v the_o world_n oh_o how_o desirable_a be_v the_o bless_a day_n of_o the_o righteous_a universal_a judgement_n of_o the_o lord_n how_o small_a a_o matter_n till_o then_o shall_v it_o be_v to_o we_o to_o be_v judge_v of_o man_n we_o hope_v upon_o pretence_n of_o not_o suffer_v we_o to_o deceive_v the_o people_n you_o will_v not_o deny_v we_o liberty_n to_o preach_v the_o necessary_a save_a truth_n of_o the_o gospel_n consider_v how_o terrible_a a_o symptom_n and_o prognostic_n this_o be_v in_o the_o jew_n 1_o thes_n 2_o 15_o 16._o who_o both_o kill_v the_o lord_n jesus_n and_o their_o own_o prophet_n and_o persecute_v the_o apostle_n and_o god_n they_o please_v not_o and_o be_v contrary_a to_o all_o man_n forbid_v to_o preach_v to_o the_o gentile_n that_o they_o may_v be_v save_v to_o fill_v up_o their_o sin_n always_o for_o wrath_n be_v come_v upon_o they_o to_o the_o utmost_a we_o can_v as_o easy_o bear_v what_o ever_o you_o can_v inflict_v upon_o we_o as_o the_o hinderer_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o silencer_n of_o faithful_a minister_n and_o troubler_n of_o the_o church_n can_v bear_v what_o god_n will_v inflict_v on_o they_o and_o so_o the_o will_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v do_v sect._n 13._o cer._n 3._o there_o have_v be_v so_o much_o say_v not_o only_o of_o the_o lawfulness_n but_o also_o of_o the_o conveniency_n of_o those_o ceremony_n mention_v that_o nothing_o can_v be_v add_v this_o in_o brief_a may_v here_o suffice_v for_o the_o surplice_n that_o reason_n and_o experience_n teach_v that_o decent_a ornament_n and_o habit_n preserve_v reverence_n and_o awe_n hold_v therefore_o necessary_a to_o the_o solemnity_n of_o royal_a act_n and_o act_n of_o justice_n and_o
why_o not_o as_o well_o to_o the_o solemnity_n of_o religious_a worship_n and_o in_o particular_a no_o habit_n more_o suitable_a than_o white_a linen_n which_o resemble_v purity_n and_o beauty_n wherein_o angel_n have_v appear_v rev._n 15._o fit_a for_o those_o who_o the_o scripture_n call_v angel_n and_o this_o habit_n be_v ancient_a chryso_n ho._n 60._o ad_fw-la pop_n antioch_n repl._n first_o if_o nothing_o can_v be_v add_v than_o we_o doubt_v the_o unanswered_a write_n extant_a against_o these_o imposition_n will_v never_o be_v well_o answer_v 2_o we_o be_v desirous_a that_o no_o indecent_a vesture_n or_o habit_n be_v use_v in_o god_n service_n those_o that_o scruple_n the_o surplice_n do_v it_o not_o as_o it_o be_v a_o habit_n determine_v of_o as_o decent_a but_o as_o they_o think_v it_o be_v make_v a_o holy_a vestment_n and_o so_o part_v of_o external_a worship_n as_o aaron_n vestment_n be_v as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o argument_n of_o cotton_n and_o nicholls_n late_o print_v together_o sect._n 14._o the_o cross_n be_v always_o use_v in_o the_o church_n in_o immortali_fw-la lavacro_fw-la tertul._n and_o therefore_o to_o testify_v our_o communion_n with_o they_o as_o we_o be_v teach_v to_o do_v in_o our_o creed_n as_o also_o in_o token_n that_o we_o shall_v not_o be_v ashamed_a of_o the_o cross_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v fit_a to_o be_v use_v still_o and_o we_o conceive_v can_v trouble_v the_o conscience_n of_o any_o that_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o be_v satisfy_v repl._n that_o the_o cross_n be_v always_o use_v in_o the_o church_n in_o baptism_n be_v a_o assertion_n certain_o untrue_a and_o such_o as_o we_o never_o hear_v or_o read_v till_o now_o do_v you_o believe_v it_o be_v use_v in_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o eunuch_n lydia_n the_o jailor_n cornelius_n the_o 300._o act_n 3._o or_o in_o those_o time_n and_o when_o it_o do_v come_v up_o it_o be_v with_o chrism_n and_o not_o ever_o any_o transient_a image_n and_o therefore_o you_o so_o far_o differ_v from_o 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the_o practice_n and_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n in_o this_o more_o than_o in_o other_o such_o thing_n however_o you_o can_v here_o deny_v de_fw-fr facto_fw-la but_o that_o kneel_v on_o the_o lord_n day_n in_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v for_o many_o hundred_o year_n of_o the_o pure_a time_n of_o the_o church_n dis-used_n and_o condemn_v and_o why_o do_v you_o not_o tell_v we_o what_o other_o general_a council_n repeal_v this_o that_o we_o may_v see_v whether_o it_o be_v such_o as_o we_o be_v any_o way_n bind_v by_o when_o you_o say_v the_o church_n may_v vary_v in_o such_o indifferent_a thing_n first_o if_o kneel_v or_o stand_v at_o prayer_n be_v a_o indifferent_a thing_n then_o so_o be_v they_o at_o this_o sacrament_n 2_o then_o you_o follow_v the_o change_n and_o we_o the_o old_a pattern_n 3_o then_o the_o canon_n of_o general_a council_n and_o custom_n pretend_v to_o be_v from_o apostolical_a tradition_n may_v be_v change_v 4_o what_o be_v it_o that_o you_o call_v the_o church_n that_o change_v or_o may_v change_v these_o a_o council_n or_o a_o popular_a custom_n bring_v we_o not_o under_o a_o foreign_a power_n 5_o the_o thing_n then_o be_v so_o indifferent_a and_o changeable_a you_o may_v change_v it_o if_o you_o please_v for_o end_n that_o be_v not_o indifferent_a 6_o and_o if_o now_o the_o minister_n may_v pray_v stand_v why_o may_v not_o the_o people_n receive_v stand_v 7_o when_o you_o say_v that_o to_o sit_v be_v never_o the_o use_n of_o the_o best_a time_n you_o deny_v the_o apostle_n and_o primitive_a time_n to_o be_v the_o best_a as_o to_o the_o extent_n of_o the_o church_n they_o be_v not_o the_o best_a but_o as_o to_o purity_n of_o administration_n they_o be_v sect._n 16._o that_o there_o be_v ancient_a liturgy_n in_o the_o church_n be_v evident_a s._n chrysostom_n s._n basil_n and_o other_o and_o the_o greek_n tell_v we_o of_o s._n james_n much_o old_a than_o they_o and_o though_o we_o find_v not_o in_o all_o age_n whole_a liturgy_n yet_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o there_o be_v such_o in_o the_o old_a time_n by_o those_o part_n which_o be_v extant_a as_o sursum_fw-la corda_n etc._n etc._n gloria_fw-la patri_fw-la etc._n etc._n benedicite_fw-la hymnus_fw-la cherubinus_n etc._n etc._n verè_fw-la dignum_fw-la &_o justum_fw-la etc._n etc._n dominus_fw-la vobiscum_fw-la et_fw-la cum_fw-la spiritu_fw-la tuo_fw-la with_o divers_a other_o though_o those_o that_o be_v extant_a may_v be_v interpolate_v yet_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v find_v in_o they_o all_o consistent_a to_o catholic_n and_o primitive_a doctrine_n may_v well_o be_v presume_v to_o have_v be_v from_o the_o first_o especial_o since_o we_o find_v no_o original_n of_o these_o liturgy_n from_o general_a council_n reply_n we_o know_v there_o want_v not_o a_o lindanus_n a_o coccius_n to_o tell_v the_o world_n of_o s._n peter_n liturgy_n which_o yet_o pray_v that_o by_o the_o intercession_n of_o s._n peter_n and_o paul_n we_o may_v be_v defend_v &c_n &c_n and_o mention_v linus_n cletus_n clemens_n cornelius_n cyprian_n lucia_n barbara_n and_o abundance_n such_o shall_v we_o therefore_o conclude_v that_o there_o be_v liturgy_n from_o the_o first_o and_o that_o what_o be_v here_o consentient_a to_o antiquity_n be_v in_o it_o there_o want_v not_o a_o marg._n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr bigne_n à_fw-la greg._n de_fw-fr valent._n à_fw-fr coccius_n to_o commend_v to_o we_o the_o liturgy_n of_o mark_n that_o pray_v protege_fw-la civitatem_fw-la istam_fw-la proper_a martyrem_fw-la tuum_fw-la &_o evangelistam_fw-la marcum_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o king_n where_o the_o author_n live_v be_v a_o orthodox_n christian_n and_o pray_v for_o the_o pope_n subdeacons_n lelor_n cantor_n monk_n etc._n etc._n must_v we_o therefore_o believe_v that_o all_o that_o be_v orthodox_n in_o it_o