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A rejoynder unto William Malone's reply to the first article Wherein the founders of unwritten traditions are confounded, out of the sure foundation of Scripture, and the true tradition of the Church. By Roger Puttocke, minister of Gods word at Novan.
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Puttock, Roger.
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116_o pag._n 118._o father_n be_v unbegotten_a that_o the_o sâ—nne_n be_v â—onsubst_v anâ—iall_a with_o the_o father_n and_o that_o the_o holy_a guest_n be_v to_o be_v â—â—â—red_a and_o worship_v â—â—_o 143._o pag._n 143._o god_n be_v not_o these_o thing_n general_o necessary_a for_o all_o to_o know_v again_o 11._o again_o august_n l._n de_fw-fr pastor_n c._n 11._o whatsoever_o you_o he_o be_v from_o the_o holy_a scripture_n answer_n answer_n let_v that_o savour_n well_o unto_o you_o whatsâ—ever_o be_v without_o they_o reâ—â—se_n lâ—st_v you_o wander_v in_o a_o cloud_n your_o meaning_n be_v not_o sure_a to_o hurt_v as_o by_o these_o saying_n 14â—_n reply_v p._n 14â—_n of_o s._n augustine_n see_v you_o bring_v they_o to_o so_o little_a purpose_n for_o s._n augustine_n be_v so_o far_o from_o think_v the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n to_o be_v without_o scripture_n that_o he_o assuâ—eth_v â—â—_o to_o â—â—_o 〈◊〉_d â—â—try_a truth_n of_o scripture_n when_o we_o do_v that_o which_o â—â—_o please_a to_o the_o church_n 17._o it_o be_v true_a our_o meaning_n be_v not_o to_o â—urt_v you_o but_o to_o 〈◊〉_d your_o madness_n if_o it_o may_v be_v heal_v if_o not_o it_o be_v to_o little_a purpose_n for_o your_o benefit_n it_o be_v no_o wonder_n to_o see_v this_o â—â—ly_a jesuite_n wander_v in_o a_o â—â—ud_v embrace_v a_o cloud_n in_o stead_n of_o â—nno_fw-la follow_v after_o a_o iguiâ—_n fatâ—uâ—_n for_o the_o light_n of_o god_n word_n forsake_v the_o beat_a path_n of_o god_n commandment_n to_o follow_v the_o doubtful_a tract_n of_o humane_a tradition_n not_o refuse_v those_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o write_v it_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o the_o church_n to_o teach_v no_o unwritten_a doctrinal_a tradition_n but_o only_o to_o teach_v such_o doctrine_n as_o the_o scripture_n teach_v she_o and_o as_o long_o as_o the_o church_n perform_v her_o duty_n so_o long_o the_o scripture_n will_v we_o to_o hear_v she_o but_o what_o if_o any_o church_n though_o once_o never_o so_o famous_a fail_v in_o her_o duty_n and_o hold_v untruth_n against_o the_o scripture_n do_v we_o then_o hold_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o scripture_n when_o we_o do_v that_o which_o now_o please_v such_o a_o church_n in_o this_o thing_n say_v s._n augustine_n we_o hold_v the_o trâ—eth_v of_o the_o scripture_n when_o we_o do_v that_o which_o now_o please_v the_o universal_a church_n he_o say_v not_o in_o all_o thing_n but_o in_o this_o thing_n and_o this_o thing_n be_v no_o unwritten_a but_o a_o wâ—itten_a doctrine_n to_o wit_n the_o doctrine_n of_o rebaptisation_n establish_v by_o the_o church_n out_o of_o the_o scripture_n he_o say_v which_o now_o pleasâ—th_v he_o say_v not_o which_o always_o pleasâ—th_v the_o church_n s._n augustine_n speak_v of_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o the_o jesuite_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n for_o no_o church_n else_o hold_v unwritten_a tradition_n and_o in_o a_o other_o place_n â—_o place_n august_n epistâ—_n 4_o â—_o all_o those_o thing_n which_o in_o time_n answer_n answer_n past_o our_o aâ—â—cestors_n have_v mention_v to_o be_v do_v towards_o mankind_n and_o have_v deliver_v unto_o we_o all_o those_o thing_n also_o which_o we_o see_v and_o do_v deliver_v unto_o our_o posterity_n so_o faâ—râ—_n as_o they_o apportainâ—_n to_o the_o seek_v and_o maintain_v of_o true_a religion_n the_o holy_a scripture_n have_v not_o pass_v in_o silence_n he_o pause_v not_o where_o you_o break_v off_o his_o spâ—â—â—h_n but_o procee_v 147._o reply_v p._n 147._o to_o declare_v that_o be_v treat_v only_o of_o prophecy_n and_o prediction_n which_o be_v all_o fulfil_v according_a as_o they_o be_v lay_v down_o in_o the_o scripture_n and_o can_v you_o wrong_v s._n augustine_n so_o unconscionable_o as_o to_o teach_v that_o have_v therefore_o allow_v â—â—_o thing_n to_o appertain_v to_o the_o seek_v and_o maintain_v of_o truâ—_n religion_n but_o what_o the_o holy_a scripture_n have_v not_o pass_v in_o sâ—lâ—â—e_n 18._o the_o former_a part_n of_o s._n augustine_n word_n thâ—se_o thing_n which_o our_o aâ—â—cestors_n in_o time_n past_a have_v mantian_v to_o be_v do_v towards_o mankind_n may_v be_v understand_v of_o prophecy_n and_o prediction_n but_o the_o latter_a part_n all_o thâ—se_a thing_n also_o which_o we_o see_v and_o do_v declare_v unto_o our_o posterity_n etc._n etc._n can_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v so_o understand_v for_o s._n augustine_n be_v no_o prophet_n neither_o be_v we_o prophet_n to_o deliver_v prediction_n to_o the_o posterity_n to_o come_v but_o as_o it_o be_v he_o so_o it_o be_v our_o office_n to_o declare_v the_o writing_n of_o the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n and_o to_o deliver_v the_o doctrine_n contain_v in_o they_o and_o although_o we_o be_v prophet_n to_o deliver_v prediction_n of_o our_o own_o yet_o how_o can_v we_o say_v the_o scripture_n have_v not_o pass_v they_o in_o silence_n we_o hate_v those_o anabaptistical_n revelation_n and_o all_o your_o papistical_a tradition_n &_o we_o desire_v to_o follow_v the_o practice_n of_o s._n augustine_n not_o to_o deliver_v unto_o other_o those_o thing_n â—â—_o point_n of_o religion_n which_o the_o scripture_n have_v pass_v in_o silence_n 19_o and_o thus_o we_o have_v discover_v the_o silly_a shift_n &_o gross_a dunsery_n of_o a_o ignorant_a jesuite_n in_o answer_v of_o the_o father_n who_o for_o all_o his_o tamper_n with_o they_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v to_o alter_v their_o verdict_n but_o find_v he_o and_o all_o such_o tradition-monger_n guilty_a of_o treason_n for_o coin_v new_a article_n of_o faith_n such_o as_o have_v not_o the_o seal_n of_o the_o live_a god_n namely_o the_o authority_n of_o holy_a scripture_n to_o make_v they_o current_n in_o the_o church_n and_o as_o the_o petty_a jury_n have_v give_v their_o verdict_n against_o they_o so_o the_o grand_a jury_n consist_v of_o 318._o father_n in_o the_o first_o general_a council_n of_o nice_a have_v condemn_v they_o for_o in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o the_o rest_n eâ—sehiâ—â—_n pamphili_n deliver_v this_o answer_n this_o gelaâ—_n cyâ—icon_n act._n conc._n nic_n part_n 2_o dâ—_n c._n 19_o as_o it_o be_v cite_v by_o the_o most_o learned_a answerer_n in_o his_o reprint_v answer_n the_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o write_v neither_o think_v upon_o nor_o inquire_v after_o the_o jesuite_n know_v full_a well_o that_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n will_v not_o give_v content_a to_o a_o indifferent_a reader_n for_o the_o truth_n be_v they_o be_v â—nanswerable_a leave_v again_o his_o answer_v and_o observe_v no_o order_n or_o method_n but_o only_o heap_v up_o a_o number_n of_o say_n he_o betake_v himself_o again_o to_o the_o object_v of_o the_o father_n against_o we_o and_n first_o for_o s._n augustine_n all_o the_o world_n acknowledge_v 147_o reply_v pag._n 147_o that_o he_o stand_v for_o our_o doctrine_n out_o of_o who_o we_o will_v heap_v a_o number_n of_o saying_n here_o together_o 20._o if_o by_o the_o world_n you_o mean_v as_o you_o do_v by_o the_o 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donatus_n say_v nor_o the_o roman_a church_n as_o the_o jesuite_n mean_v but_o the_o catholic_n church_n of_o christ_n disperse_v over_o the_o world_n as_o thomas_n waldensis_n say_v and_o where_o will_v thou_o find_v or_o how_o will_v thou_o know_v which_o be_v this_o church_n the_o author_n of_o the_o imperfect_a work_n on_o matthew_n hom_n 49._o answer_v the_o scripture_n be_v the_o only_a way_n whereby_o to_o know_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o again_o the_o lord_n know_v that_o in_o the_o last_o day_n there_o will_v be_v such_o a_o confusion_n command_v christian_n to_o fly_v only_o unto_o the_o scripture_n for_o if_o they_o do_v otherwise_o they_o shall_v perish_v say_v he_o not_o know_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n &_o by_o that_o mean_n shall_v fall_v into_o the_o abomination_n of_o desolation_n which_o shall_v stand_v in_o the_o holy_a place_n of_o the_o church_n he_o show_v that_o the_o scripture_n must_v not_o be_v interpret_v by_o private_a imagination_n private_a fancy_n or_o private_a spirit_n can_v he_o charge_v we_o with_o this_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n be_v a_o 12._o a_o 1._o cor._n 12._o gift_n of_o the_o spirit_n he_o that_o deny_v this_o be_v a_o heretic_n the_o same_o spirit_n that_o inspire_v they_o must_v interpret_v they_o this_o spirit_n which_o like_o the_o 8._o the_o joh._n 3._o 8._o wind_n blow_v where_o it_o list_v may_v blow_v on_o private_a man_n private_a man_n have_v this_o spirit_n may_v discern_v the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o scripture_n aswell_o as_o the_o priest_n either_o grant_v this_o or_o else_o condemn_v 18._o condemn_v act_n 18._o apollo_n aquilâ—_n and_o priscilla_n who_o be_v commend_v in_o scripture_n for_o this_o yea_o condemn_v the_o homily_n of_o leâ—_n the_o emperor_n commend_v by_o gretzer_n in_o his_o edition_n of_o those_o homily_n or_o else_o grant_v this_o that_o private_a man_n may_v discern_v the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o scripture_n when_o private_a man_n through_o the_o help_n of_o god_n spirit_n do_v discern_v the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o deliver_v the_o sense_n intend_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n will_v you_o call_v this_o private_a imagination_n private_a fancy_n private_a spirit_n it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o devil_n &_o of_o antichrist_n which_o possess_v our_o adversary_n &_o persuade_v they_o that_o their_o doctrine_n must_v not_o be_v examine_v nor_o their_o spirit_n try_v but_o whatsoever_o interpretation_n their_o church_n that_o be_v the_o pope_n give_v of_o any_o part_n of_o scripture_n be_v the_o interpretation_n never_o so_o private_a never_o hear_v of_o before_o never_o so_o contrary_a to_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o father_n yet_o it_o must_v be_v believe_v as_o sure_a as_o that_o s._n johns_n gospel_n be_v scripture_n and_o neither_o s._n johns_n gospel_n nor_o any_o part_n of_o scripture_n be_v by_o they_o account_v true_a because_o it_o be_v write_v but_o it_o be_v account_v true_a because_o it_o so_o please_v the_o pope_n what_o then_o he_o allege_v out_o of_o s._n augustin_n may_v fit_a be_v apply_v unto_o they_o then_o unto_o we_o 222._o we_o aug_n ep._n 222._o they_o be_v heretic_n not_o because_o they_o contemn_v not_o the_o scripture_n for_o so_o s._n augustine_n be_v to_o be_v read_v but_o because_o they_o understand_v they_o not_o aright_o again_o joh._n again_o aug._n tract_n 18._o in_o joh._n good_a &_o holy_a scripture_n be_v not_o right_o understand_v &_o what_o be_v wrongful_o understand_v be_v audacious_o affirm_v by_o they_o and_o again_o faustum_n again_o aug._n count_v faustum_n this_o do_v not_o please_v they_o because_o it_o be_v write_v but_o it_o must_v therefore_o be_v true_a scripture_n because_o it_o please_v they_o if_o s._n augustine_n be_v now_o alive_a to_o â—ee_n the_o doctrine_n &_o practice_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n he_o can_v not_o more_o fit_o express_v it_o than_o he_o do_v in_o these_o say_n his_o 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3._o this_o be_v transcribe_v out_o of_o gregory_n martin_n a_o learned_a divine_a as_o he_o style_v he_o who_o be_v censure_v by_o one_o of_o his_o own_o side_n for_o a_o renunciat_n a_o the_o treatise_n of_o renunciat_n ignorant_a divine_a but_o all_o his_o goose_n be_v swan_n &_o as_o the_o proverb_n be_v asinus_fw-la asinum_fw-la scabiâ—_n one_o good_a turn_n require_v a_o other_o he_o can_v do_v no_o less_o then_o afford_v he_o some_o worthy_a title_n who_o store_v he_o with_o such_o a_o deal_n of_o worthy_a matter_n he_o harp_v much_o upon_o allour_n translation_n and_o yet_o i_o know_v but_o only_o of_o one_o translation_n the_o bishop_n as_o they_o call_v it_o which_o be_v publish_v by_o authority_n until_o after_o the_o day_n of_o cavil_v martin_n as_o that_o translation_n do_v justify_v our_o doctrine_n so_o we_o be_v able_a to_o justify_v that_o &_o all_o other_o our_o translation_n in_o this_o point_n from_o the_o slander_n of_o this_o martin_n we_o confess_v the_o fact_n in_o those_o place_n cite_v by_o martin_n the_o translator_n have_v not_o english_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tradition_n d._n fulk_n who_o have_v discover_v martin_n discovery_n to_o be_v a_o heap_n of_o senseless_a cavillation_n confess_v the_o same_o this_o i_o observe_v to_o free_v that_o learned_a dr_n lie_n dr_n yet_o m._n fulk_n say_v it_o be_v find_v there_o if_o he_o give_v not_o we_o a_o instance_n let_v he_o give_v himself_o the_o lie_n from_o this_o marginal_a note_n in_o which_o set_v aside_o all_o good_a manner_n the_o he_o be_v give_v he_o he_o have_v answer_v for_o himself_o in_o his_o confutation_n of_o martin_n discovery_n in_o these_o word_n i_o say_v there_o be_v no_o law_n nor_o statute_n make_v against_o it_o but_o the_o word_n tradition_n may_v be_v use_v by_o our_o translator_n this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o if_o i_o shall_v say_v papist_n may_v be_v suffer_v to_o live_v as_o good_a subject_n not_o