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bilson_n sometime_o answer_v the_o say_v papist_n say_v 360_o say_v answ_n to_o the_o seminar_n part_n 4._o pa._n 360_o if_o you_o want_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n and_o religion_n he_o mean_v the_o scripture_n in_o vain_a you_o do_v seek_v to_o make_v a_o show_n of_o catholicisme_n with_o such_o patch_n and_o pamplet_n etc._n etc._n when_o you_o muster_v the_o father_n to_o disprove_v the_o scripture_n and_o to_o establish_v a_o unwritten_a faith_n under_o the_o credit_n of_o tradition_n you_o corrupt_v the_o writer_n and_o abuse_v the_o reader_n 362._o reader_n pag._n 362._o now_o cite_v not_o only_o 9_o but_o 9_o score_n father_n if_o you_o will_v for_o tradition_n &_o the_o more_o you_o stir_v the_o worse_a you_o spcede_v 300._o spcede_v pag._n 300._o truth_n he_o mean_v the_o scripture_n be_v authority_n sufficient_a against_o all_o the_o world_n 301._o world_n pag._n 301._o one_o man_n with_o truth_n be_v warrant_n against_o all_o the_o world_n yea_o every_o private_a man_n for_o his_o own_o person_n may_v embrace_v god_n law_n whosoever_o say_v nay_o and_o as_o tertullian_n have_v against_o this_o no_o man_n may_v prescribe_v nor_o space_n of_o time_n nor_o patronage_n of_o person_n nor_o privilege_n of_o place_n 299._o place_n pag._n 299._o though_o the_o whole_a world_n pronounce_v again_o the_o word_n yet_o god_n will_v be_v true_a and_o all_o man_n liar_n 384._o liar_n pag._n 384._o god_n speak_v not_o now_o but_o in_o the_o scripture_n how_o excellent_o be_v these_o thing_n write_v if_o he_o himself_o and_o his_o associate_n will_v follow_v the_o same_o or_o will_v suffer_v we_o to_o follow_v it_o the_o effect_n whereof_o be_v that_o not_o only_o we_o be_v bind_v evermore_o to_o hold_v fast_o god_n word_n and_o never_o to_o admit_v the_o carnal_a reason_n of_o humane_a consent_n in_o divine_a matter_n such_o as_o our_o question_n of_o the_o form_n of_o christ_n church_n be_v but_o also_o it_o notify_v d._n bilsons_n open_a contradiction_n to_o himself_o who_o press_v hardly_o against_o we_o that_o which_o he_o deny_v to_o the_o papist_n be_v god_n a_o accepter_n of_o person_n be_v it_o ill_a for_o papist_n to_o plead_v universal_a consent_n and_o yet_o must_v we_o content_v ourselves_o with_o it_o &_o rest_n thereon_o shall_v he_o say_v to_o we_o 223.235_o we_o perp._n gov_n pag._n 223.235_o be_v not_o the_o whole_a church_n a_o lawful_a and_o sufficient_a witness_n in_o that_o case_n and_o that_o it_o be_v enough_o 228._o enough_o pag._n 228._o if_o any_o christian_n person_n deserve_v to_o be_v credit_v and_o yet_o shall_v he_o say_v to_o papist_n 38â—_n papist_n lib._n 4_o 38â—_n it_o be_v alike_o haereticall_a to_o believe_v without_o scripture_n aâ—_n to_o believe_v against_o scripture_n yea_o even_o to_o ourselves_o when_o he_o listen_v he_o can_v say_v 286._o say_v perp._n gov_n pag._n 286._o make_v we_o good_a proof_n out_o of_o scripture_n or_o leave_v tie_v god_n ordinance_n to_o your_o appetite_n wherefore_o we_o must_v crave_v leave_n in_o our_o cause_n also_o to_o answer_v he_o and_o all_o of_o his_o mind_n with_o his_o own_o word_n afore_o rehearse_v and_o likewise_o with_o d._n rainold_n that_o 257._o that_o cons_n 257._o no_o humane_a proof_n be_v sure_a in_o divinity_n &_o 19â—_n &_o pag._n 19â—_n truth_n be_v not_o to_o be_v try_v by_o consent_n of_o father_n &_o 45â—_n &_o pag._n 45â—_n for_o myself_o i_o assure_v you_o that_o neither_o dead_a nor_o quick_a father_n nor_o child_n shall_v persuade_v i_o any_o thing_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n which_o they_o can_v prove_v by_o moses_n &_o the_o prophet_n or_o which_o he_o mean_v by_o the_o apostle_n writing_n now_o thus_o the_o church_n universal_a &_o perpetual_a consent_n be_v no_o good_a proof_n in_o divinity_n the_o whole_a church_n consent_n at_o some_o time_n only_o be_v a_o proof_n much_o worse_o and_o by_o no_o mean_n to_o be_v admit_v though_o augustin_n in_o a_o certain_a place_n it_o seem_v hold_v it_o good_a yet_o it_o be_v his_o error_n as_o where_o he_o say_v 118._o say_v august_n epist_n 118._o si_fw-la quid_fw-la tota_fw-la hodiè_fw-la per_fw-la orbem_fw-la frequentat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la hoc_fw-la quin_fw-la ita_fw-la faciendum_fw-la sit_fw-la disputare_fw-la insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la est_fw-la if_o the_o whole_a church_n through_o out_o the_o world_n at_o this_o day_n observe_v any_o thing_n it_o be_v insolent_a madness_n to_o reason_n against_o it_o certain_o there_o have_v be_v and_o may_v be_v be_v be_v as_o sometime_o polygamy_n be_v catholic_a error_n which_o yet_o questionless_a may_v be_v yea_o ought_v to_o be_v reprove_v by_o all_o they_o that_o understand_v they_o well_o but_o have_v our_o adversary_n a_o universal_a consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n at_o any_o time_n alas_o they_o be_v far_o from_o it_o neither_o d._n bilson_n nor_o d._n downame_n nor_o they_o all_o have_v allege_v neither_o can_v they_o allege_v half_o a_o quarter_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n at_o any_o time_n what_o then_o then_o they_o be_v to_o lavish_a of_o their_o word_n in_o save_v they_o have_v the_o universal_a consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n they_o indeed_o come_v short_a of_o it_o by_o many_o hundred_o thousand_o a_o poor_a few_o god_n know_v they_o cite_v in_o comparison_n of_o all_o it_o may_v be_v they_o name_v some_o of_o the_o chief_a &_o most_o famous_a in_o their_o day_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o all_o who_o live_v then_o be_v of_o their_o mind_n 402._o d._n bilson_n against_o the_o seminar_n lib._n 1._o part_n 2._o pag._n 402._o neither_o be_v it_o necessary_a that_o all_o difference_n shall_v be_v record_v in_o writing_n nor_o that_o all_o record_n shall_v be_v preserve_v &_o come_v to_o our_o hand_n so_o that_o they_o be_v far_o from_o prove_v a_o universal_a consent_n at_o any_o time_n much_o less_o at_o all_o time_n of_o the_o church_n but_o what_o speak_v i_o of_o universality_n and_o perpetuity_n let_v our_o adversary_n not_o equivocat_n let_v they_o deal_v plain_o let_v they_o use_v no_o deceit_n in_o word_n nor_o force_n to_o man_n conscience_n and_o then_o i_o assure_v thou_o good_a reader_n nothing_o but_o novelty_n and_o iniquity_n be_v in_o their_o defence_n and_o assertion_n against_o us._n i_o have_v show_v before_o that_o in_o our_o controversy_n which_o we_o have_v at_o this_o day_n â—â—_o day_n above_o pa._n 98.97_o â—â—_o we_o speak_v against_o only_o a_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n and_o the_o bishop_n thereof_o where_o the_o people_n free_a consent_n be_v whole_o deny_v they_o as_o it_o be_v in_o england_n and_o our_o adversary_n defend_v namely_o this_o diocesan_n church_n and_o bishop_n of_o this_o particular_o and_o precise_o be_v all_o their_o 1_o their_o def._n 2.114_o epist_n to_o the_o king_n pag._n 1_o great_a and_o glorious_a commendation_n and_o praise_n which_o they_o publish_v now_o to_o the_o point_n be_v this_o kind_n of_o diocesan_n church_n and_o this_o kind_n of_o bishop_n apostolical_a 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