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A09147 The Protestants theologie containing the true solutions, and groundes of religion, this daye mainteyned, and intreated, betwixt the Protestants, and Catholicks. Writen, by the R. F. F. VVilliame Patersoune religious priest, Conuentuall of Antwerpe, preacher of Gods word, and Vicar generall of the holy order of S. Augustin, through the kingdome of Scotland. The 1. Part. Paterson, F. William. 1620 (1620) STC 19461; ESTC S101863 199,694 338

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one keepes vnity in so far as the Roman Church was neuer corrupted defaced hid or distroyed but in all ages was euer extant and did represent a compagnie of men who haue professed and belieued the same faith which our Cath. -Church doth this day belieue and this compagnie was euer taken of all faithfull men for the Church Which one vnity the pretended reformed hath no place in who haue no head and an vnknowne doctrine neuer hard of before breeding discord questions and endles debates The 2. note of the Church is holynes which is seene both externally internaly to be in the mēbers of the Church for holynes and wickednes may easily be distinguished the workes of wickednes are manifest but in the acquiring of holynes is greater labour that the externall actiōs be disposed and gouerned with the intention Holynes in life conuersation is an other note of the true Church to the executiō of vertue for neyther fasting nor almes deedes nor many prayers makes any holy if they want the intention and that the vertue be done with meeknesse and in simplicity of mynd Moreouer we see also God by diuyne reuelation and apparitiōs approue the holynes of his Saincts God approueth the holynes of many by diuyne reuelation Lykewyse by them he workes miracles by his own diuyne power as a testimony of their holynes and seing this holynes hath byn and is foūd with those manifest tokens in many members of the Catholick Church it followes that they are the Church in regard they are the members of the Church which is Holy Where holynes abounds there is the Church and such is the romā Church for diuers reasons and such is the Roman Church because her doctrine containes nothing contrary to the rule of right reason and good maners Secondly because she hath almost conuerted the wholl world from Idolatry and hath shyned cleare in holynes of religion and all good maners Thirdly because she is increased and filled with holy men and in her they haue florished with wonderfull rare holynes Fourthly because in her hath shyned innumerable testimonies of true miracles Fifthly because in her very many of both sexes haue byn indewed with the gift of prophefie Sixtly because God oftentymes hath heauily punished the oppugners of the Roman Church Holynes can not be attributed to the Protestantes because they iudge prophanely of their owne and hath giuen temporall blessings as witnes Stanist Hossius Bellarm. Bozius alij to the defenders of the same But this note of holynes cannot be found in the Church of the reformed for the first builders of this reformation and new Ghospel were men of pryde intemperate luxurious lyke night theues following all wickednes seditiō ambitions bitter froward cruel as Caluin himself witnesseth lib. de scand pag. 118. 127. saying that the greatest part of them who haue betaken themselues to the Ghospell what other intent had they then hauing shaken of the yoake of superstition that they might plūge themselues with liberty to all ryot and lasciuiousnes Againe Simdalin reportes of the holynes of the Ghospellers cont 4. sup cap. 2 Luc. com 1. sup cap. 21. Luc. That the world may knowe saith he that they are no Papists nor haue any trust in their good workes neyther to haue freewill they practise in stead of fasting altogeather feasting and for being bountifull towards the power they vnflese them and flee them and for prayers their tongue and lyppes are turned to oathes Lykewyse Spangenb in sua vera nar benef D Mart. Luth. After the reuelation of the Ghospell and the casting of Papistry men are become so wylde that they acknowledge not God nor make any accoūt of him and make all to be right and lawfull which euery one liketh best Lykewyse Castalion apud Rescium pag. 54. speaking of the holynes of Geneua painteth them out with these coulores they are proud saith he puffed vp with vaine glorie and full of reuenge that without danger any man may rather offend Princes then exasperat or moue any of these feyrse Caluinistes whose lyues are infamous and vilanous They are maisters of art in reproches lyes crueltie and treason insupportable and arrogant they name their Geneua the holy City and their assembly Ierusalem but in very truth we should call it Babilon Babilon and Aegypt and the true frontiers of Aegypt and Babylonicall Inchantresse Infamous Sodome and the children of Ghomorra The great cōmendation that the Protestants speake of themselues Thus he To tonclude with Aurifab apud Ministromach pag. 7. After the Ghospell was reuealed vertue was slayne iustice oppressed temperance tyed truth rent with dogges honisty banished faith layme wickednes preuailned deuotion fled Heresie remayning and Sathan reygning And seing out of their owne maisters we learne the holynes of the reformed-Church who of honesty can not be called by any name of a church except we would say with the prophet I haue hated the Church of the wicked psal 25. and so name them Sainctes and members of the Synagogue of Sathan as in effect they are The third note of the true Church must be Catholick that is to say vniuersal through the world and such is the Roman Church The catholick Church hath possessed all nations because there is no part of the world knowne in which be not Christian Roman Catholiks For S. Cyp. libro de vnit Eccl. compares our Church to a most ample tree extending her branches through the world with aboundance of fruite Therefore vpon this extēsion she is called Catholick and vniuersall Moreouer Vine lyr cont proph heraet nouit Descrybing the Catholik Church least we should be deceaued by the circumuention of Hereticks exhortes vs what to obserue for a Catholik Church it is to be obserued sayth he the Catholick Church that we hold that which euery where alwayes which of all is beleeued For this is truely and properly Catholick And S. Aug. serm 13. de tempore This roman-roman-Church saith he from the rysing of the sunne to the going downe of the same is illuminated all through the world with the splendor of one Catholik faith In the Dominions where Hereticks are there are good store of Catholicks but no great nomber of Hereticks where Catholikes rule So that our-our-Church hath this true name Moreouer whersoeuer there are Heretickes there are found good store of Roman Catholickes but in the contrary not so where there are catholiks here are not foūd such store of Heretiks or protestants as S. Aug. lib. de vnitat Eccl. cap. 3. sayes those Heresies which are in diuerse nations are not found wher the Catholick Church is which is euery where and euen where these Heresies are the catholik church is also foūd thus he Therefore as Cyril sayth cathech 18 The name Catholick is proper to this Church the mother of vs all But Cyrill doth not speake of any other Church then the Roman Church which of all antiquities was
of S. Iames for Apochripha to conuince him of this error it cannot be done by the Scripture neyther of himself because he is iudge in his own cause neyther is he to be belieued by the reuelation of his priuat spirit for all do make for confirmation of his opinion theref●re to conuince him rightly they must haue recourse to the tradition of the Church as sayes S. Aug. Serm. 191. de temp We receaue the new and ould testament in the nomber of bookes the which by authority of the Catholik Church is delyuered to vs. Moreouer this other argument is to be obserued for the Church from the beginning of the world till Moyses two thowsand yeares was without Scripture only ruled by traditions and rites of the sacrifice In the new testamēnt Christ hath written nothing neyther commaunded to wryte but well he sayth Marc. 16. vers 15. Preach you the Euangely to all creatures in which mission no precept is giuen of writing for saluation depends vpon the word of God and not vpon books neyther the written Scripture nor reuelation or prophesie c. For that cause Iraen lib. 3. cap. 4. wryteth that some nations in his tyme had the fayth of Christ and yet no Scripture Where is it found in the Scripture to reiect traditions But this is the cause why you withstand all traditiōs for these being banished easily you may peruert and glosse the Scriptures and apply them to your own myndes which traditions of the holy Church stād out against you for the clearing of the verity and will not suffer the Scriptures to be corrupted with your fansies which corrupt interpretations permitted and suffered we shall see you follow traditions and consequently your owne inuentions to be for holy Scripture for the first part is probable for Caluin himself approueth the traditions of the Iewes commenting in the 104 Psal sec 18. Many things remayned amōgst them by successiue tradition which were godly and necessary for them of the which no mention is made in the Scriptures Out of which place it followeth that Caluin willingly would Iudaize and as concerning the following of their owne senses in reiecting the traditiōs of the holy Ghost to erect their own traditions contrary to the written word I would most willingly be satiefyed by what reason eyther spirituall or morall why you Puritans vphold and set vp traditions as the pillar of repentance denigrate and made black and sinners to stand there to the spectacle of the whole Church with the showing of their heades at the crosse bound with yron chaynes in tyme of Market your sackcloth at the Church doore and carting of poor women thorow the city of whom haue you learned to punish fornicators by this ignominious punishement Others by the purse and to pardon some who are fatt and to execute rigor vpon the poor From whence haue you receaued that tradition in your prayers to hould your noses in others tailes and to ly groaning on the ground after the manner of the Iewes From vvhence is that tradition to fast on sondayes and feast on frydayes and to work on Christmas day and other Sainctes dayes and to obserue monday suter sonday for holy day These a thowsand more are the Puritanes traditions of their owne inuentiō vvithout any Scripture or vvrittē word and yet not vvithstanding they vvill abolishe and condemne all traditions and yet vvill set vp and authorize traditions of their owne authority contrary to the law of God and all Scripture and tradition of any age before passed OBIECTION THe Lord sayth Deut. 12. vers 32. What I cōmand thee do thow that vnto the Lord only neyther shalt thou add any thing neyther diminish Therefore traditions are superfluous and in vaine ANSVVER IF this argument were auaileable neyther the Prophets nor the Apostles ought to haue writtē any thing after Moyses for vvhat the Prophets haue vvritten are not conteyned in Moyses neyther vvhat the Euangelists Apostles haue wryten are contayeed in the old testament but generally and implicite In lyke sorte traditions are contayned in the Scripture implicite vvhē Christ sayd Luc. 10 v. 16. Who heareth you heareth me Therfore the sense of these vvordes vvhich sayth that thou shall add nothing nor diminish is that thou shalt add nothing repugnāt vnto those things vvhich are commaunded in the Scripture In this same sense sayth S. Paul Gal. 1. v. 8. Whether we or an Angel frō Heauen euangelise to you otherwise then that which we haue euangelized let him be accursed For that praeposition praeter is asmuch to say as cōtrary for otherwaies should he be contrary to himself who added many things as his epistles witnes And lykewyse S. Iohn after he had written the Apocalyps and Euangely who threateneth the same curse should fall in the same sentencē in adding to his Epistles in which are many precepts traditions which are not contayned in the Apocalyps and Euangely c. OBIECTION THE Scripture is a Rule to belieue therefore it ought to contayne all things which are to be belieued ANSVVER THe Scripture is a Rule to belieue but not adequat and a right Rule because the right Rule is the word of God whether written or delyuered by Tradition OBIECTION THese things are written that you may belieue that Iesus is the Sonne of God and that belieuing you may haue lyfe in his name But all things writen serue to belieue in Christ therefore all beliefe is written ANSVVER SAinct Paul sayes that Abel Enoch Noe Abraham Isac Iacob Heb. 11. had vndoubtedly true fayth yet they had no Scripture writen Againe the primitiue Church at least tenne yeares after Christ had no Scripture written who will say but that they had true faith Againe these are not conteyned in the written word to vvit the consubstantiality of the Trinity the procession of the holy Ghost the virginity of the most blessed Virgin Mary the baptising of children and the not rebaptising of them who are baptised of Heretickes the breaking of the Sabaoth keeping of Sonday the obseruing of Easter the receauing of the Sacraments fasting the eating of blood strangled meares prohibeted in the Law and Euāgely Act. 15 But I would know of the Protestātes what Scripture they haue for women to singe Psalmes and to glosse on the Scriptures in the Church at home and in the tauernes What Scripture haue you for your pillary crosse steeple repētance seat carting and showing of poore women for the sinne of fornication for these things you haue no Scripture but must build vpon traditiōs eyther true or false QVAESTIO XVIII Of the certitude of Hope WHerefore doe the Papists deny that our Hope is with certitude seing it is written that Hope maketh vs not ashamed but bringeth with it certitude and confidence Luth art 10 11. Caluin lib. 3. instit cap 2. § 16. ANSVVER WHat certitude assured hope can the Protestants haue in our Sauiour if they defend and abyde in the principall poincts of their
brought in that perplexitie of mynd to stad hummering and in consultation with them selues what syde to be on what religion to imbrace what faith to beleue A conclusion descrybinge them to whō they ar lyk for they them selues that ar the rabbies of this reformation are departed from the testament of the Catholik church to wit from vnitie peace and holy obedience and ar Ioyned to the gentilles to do the very workes of the gentilles and ar sold to do euill 1. Machab. 1. v. 16. Matth. 26. mantein the euill and to condemne the righteous and to bring perdition to the soules of men throw their filthy and damnable persuations Matth. 7. O frindly enimies kissing with a venemous mouth hauing sugered lippes to ly O wolfes hypocrisie vnder a lambes countenance to deceave Genes 3. O cruell wound vnder pretext of a charitable medicine Iudicum 14. O serpents narration full of envy and malice to our first parentes O desembled sighes 2. Reg. c. 20. and gronings the hypocritall Teares of Dalila 2. Mach. c. 13. O Ioabs trechorous salutation to Amaza O Triphons wicked banquet to Ionathas O Gabonit policy to deceave Israell what ells ar all the heretikes do they not pretend simplicitie innocency perfection religion and cloth thē selues with the catholik name when all is falsehood and wickednes that they pretend and thus the prophet sayes they protect them selues putting their hope in an vntreuth and falshoode Isa 68. being men void of grace and destitute of the fear of the Lord and ar become the children of this world to be wyse in their generation and to be destitute of all knowledge concerning God and so in the end to perish miserablie QVAESTIO II. Of the damnable and speciall faith of the Heretikes WHerfore doe the Papistes reiect our speciall faith which giues secure consolation to the faithfull Luth. art 10.11.12 Cal. lib. 3. inst cap 2. § 16.17 ANSVVER THAT speciall faith by whiche ariseth sure confidence by reasone of Christes imputatiue iustice merit and satisfaction in beleueing with your selues sinnes to be remitted and to be iust and of God predestinat to eternall lyffe as also vndoubtedly to obteine the inheritance of the k●ngdome of God This securitie Only faith is deadly and fight against God and the Scriptures and confidence is false and full of deadlie poyson and seales your obcecat and blinde conscience to go forwarde temērously in presumption against God and his wisdome reuealed in holy Scriptures which reclames this assertion to be false vaine With standes nothinge and foolishe and by consequence accursed As these euident testimonies witnesse And first Ecclesiast sayes that a man knowes not Mans rygh●eousnes and predestination is vncertaine in this lyf whether he is worthy of Love or hatred but all thinges ar kept vncertaine to the end Eccl. cap. 9. v. 1. The which wordes ar spoken of righteous-men who ar not guyltie of any sinne in them selues for the preacher hathe saide a little before that there ar ryghteous iust and wyse men whose state of rychteousnes in this lyfe and predestination is vncertain Secondlie the same preacher pronunceth plainlie to reconcyled persones with God Reconciled persones at not without fear of the remitted sinne saying of the forgiuen sinne be not without feare Eccles 5. v 5. therfore what certaintie and securitie can be presupposed when we are commanded to feare the forgiuen sinne Thridly S. Paull 1. Cor. cap. 4. v. 4. Speakinge of the iudgment of conscience sayes as touckinge me I passe little to be iudged of yow or mans iudgment nor I iudge not my self Iustification is a hiden secret so that of hide things no man is sure and farrles secur and certaine For I know no thing by my self yet am I not therby iustified which all do sounde incertantie in iustification and no confident securitie as though he would say the iustification of man is so hidde and secret that albeit no man be guiltie and faultie of sinne in him self yet notwithstanding a man may not therefore promise to him self vndoubted iustification as all the fathers do expounde this place as Ambr. Chryso Theoph. Theod. Anselm c. Vnto which accordes S. Chry. oper imperf in Mat. hom 38. No man sayes he is vnder-propped and vpholden with so great firmnesse and strength that he can be secure of his iustification A presūptious temeritie in the protestantes thus he thair for all heretikos puritanes and whatsoeuer sectaries may be ashamed of their temerous presūption in persuadinge and assuringe to them selues predestination and iustification which neither the Apostles neither fathers nor holy Church hath euer presumed to ascribe to them selues The temeritie of this only faith detected doth demonstrate the presumption Speciall faith is no wayes reuealed of God as a thing certaine to be belieued and foolishnes of them in this formall argument No man can belieue any thing surely in the certaintie of faith except the self same be reuealed of God Therfore in particular me to be iust with habituall righteousnes at no tyme is reuealed excluding the singular priuiledge of Gods diuyne reuelation which is geuin to veriefewe therfor it can not be that I can belieue the certaintie of suchlyk faith to be reuealed of God which sightes against him self as an axiō to an impossibilitie In treue faith no man can belieue false thinges Moreouer no man can or may belieue falslie in heauenly faith but this is falslie belieued of many them selues to be iust For the verification of the same doth not the Lutheranes belieue them selues to be iust but the Caluinistes iniust But the protestantes faith beliues falstie many things and treuly cōtrary wise the Caluinistes beleue thē selues to be iust and the Lutheranes iniust For euery sect belieueth their ovne to be iust but others vniust Therfor it is of necessitie this speciall faith to be iniust and false for wherfore is it trewer which the Lutheranes doth beleue than that which the Caluinistes beleue for euery one of thē obiectes to the other the inspiratiō of the spirit and each one chalēdge an other of error Therfor only and speciall-faith is no faith and no thing els but deceipt Only faith is inuented for the libertie of the flesh Eunomius opinion about only faith his policie good lyf that many were deceaued by him and Sathans subtiltie to cosen and deceaue the simple and only inuented to defend the libertie of the flesh Of this opinion was Eunomius as sayes S. August lib. de haeres ad quod vult Deum to affirme this presumption of securitie of Saluation by only faith which this day the moderne sectaries defende yea S. Aug. sayes that the enimie was so subtill and of good maners of lif that many belieued him Moreouer he affirmed that no euill could harme any man nether perseuerance in sinne if he were participant of that faith which of him was teached and defended
one new doctrin and of these som were called Marcionists Basilidanes other Saturnists others agane of late Lutheranes Thair names and profession is after the name of men and so faile to be called Catholik Caluinists Protestants Puritanes and therfor in this they faile to be called Christianes as sayes Athan. in apol secund Lact. firm lib. 4. c. 30. de vera sapientia Therfor heretikes and ther Reformed faith is not lerned of the Apostles fathers and predecessors of the Church but partly borrowed of som other heresie or partlie by phantasticall and new inuention and so no faith but inuention neither Apostolicall but Pharisaicall The reformed faith ●is lyk a painted man nether Catholik but particular which is no more faith in effect than a painted man is a man For this cause S. Hieron Epist. ad Pamach reproches taxes the heretiks saying Wheir for after fourhundrith years past labor ye to teach which befor we haue not knowne for vnto this present day The world wes Catholik Christian befor thair faith was knowne without your doctrin the world was Christian And Tertull. de praes haeretic repelles their vaine boast concerning any Catholik tytle saying who ar ye from whence and when cam ye where haue ye lurked so longe And S. August no lesse scornes them saying to the Donat. S. Aug. admiration from whence they ar come From whence haue ye apeared of what soile haue ye sprunge out ouer what sea haue ye comed or what heauen haue ye faln from And lykwise Opt. Melet. lib. 2. contr Parm. Sayes in dirision to the heretiks Opt. Mel. derides them asking the originall of thair church Show the original of your Church who would chalenge to you the holy Catholick-Church And as Valer. Max. lib. 6. in principio sayes for conclusion that as the name of God is a most certaine pledge of humane saluation As the name of God is a sauegard to saluation so is the Catholike name a sauegard to al beleueres and a sauegard for man so is this name Catholike a sauegard to al Christian belieuers and theirfor we haue great reason to adheere and ioyne our selfe to the Catholik-Church and not to your reformed which hath no affinitie nor any thing of a Catholik Church or name in it Morouer these and diuerse reasones persuade me Reasone persuades man to beleue the Romā-Church to be Catholik the only Roman Catholik faith to be accepted as true Apostolicall doctrin but yours and others suchlyk vnder pretext colour of reformation to be repudiat as very fleeting dregges of heresie Which shall not be difficill to proue For the Apostle sayes Ephes 4. that there is one comen and sauing faith in expressing these wordes there is one God one faith one Baptisme This Church is praised of the Apostles own mouch And first for that is the trew and Apostolicall faith which the Apostel praising God and writting the Romans cap. 1. doth say your faith is published through the whol world But our faith which is hated and dispraised by name of Papistry and proprie is that same Roman faith This Catholik church is hated of all heretikes and calumniated Seing no man as yet by any sure reason could shew the Roman Church from that tyme to discrepat or disagree in any substantiall point or that eyther Bishope counsell or any Catholick person do dissent from the Roman Church in essentialles or yet the pastors of our Church Amongst the pastors of the Romā Church ther is no variāce in essentialles at any tyme to varie from them in substantiall things yea in the smal-lest artickles what soeuer but all to accord and agree with the Catholik faith and to fauour no opinion of heresie Therefor our Papisticall and Roman faith hath obteined the title of the Catholick and Apostolicall name That richtly others sectes discouered this is only to be adiudged and belieued of all men for trew Catholick and Apostolicall and yours for heresie Trew faith most be receaued and belieued of hearing and not by reading of books or reuelations The second reason is the trew faith which who ordinarly declares or teaches to any other it must be first by the ear receaued of the Church of God by the preaching of Christ as the apostell affirmes Rom. 10. faith is by hearing and hearing is by the word of Christ as he would say trew faith is conceaued not immediatly by reuelation or reading of the Scriptures but by those things which are hard of the preacher and mediatly by external doctrin and the doctrin trewly that is harde or to be harde consistes in the word of God preached by the Church But the reformed faith teached by Luther and Caluin and their faith is not by hearing and externall doctrin which they euer receaued in the Church from any pastor doctor bishope or any other hauing authoritie of mission The Protestāts preiching is nether by the word of God nether of the church or euer had commission of any man to preach that reformed faith Therefor their reformed faith is no trew faith The minor is euident becaus they can not produce any doctor nor pastor if they can do it from whome they haue receaued their doctrin For the assertiones written by Luther him self declare the contrary Who in his book of Seruill libertie Luthers glorie him to dissent from all the fathers of the Church obiectes against Erasmus Rotterd in the cause of frewill publiquely to vant boast him to depart and dissent from the doctrin of all the former pastores of the Church and declared by the mouth of the Church and to oppose him self cōtraire to Dion Areop Iren. Clem. Cypr. Arnob. August c. Whos 's doctrin in the course of frewill deliuered of the elders to be trew Catholik doctrin and authorised of the mouth of the Church We sayes Luther beliue Luther adiudged all the fathers blind ignorāt in the Scriptures and preach that the fathers all these many ages past plainly haue ben blind and most vnexpert ignorant and vnlerned in the holly Scriptures And therefor for conclusion of this minor theyr preaching and doctrin is not of the Church nor of any pastor of the Church and consequentlie no faith nether word of God Trew faith should beginne at Ierusaiē The thrid reason is the preaching of the trew faith ought to beginne at Ierusalem and after to go abrod through all the partes of the world as it is writen in S. Luc. 24. it behoued that penance and remission of sinnes should be preached in his name to all nations beginning at Ierusalem but the preaching of Luther and Caluins reformed faith hath not begonne at Ierusalem The reformed faith begane in Germany in Geneue in particulare cornes nether is it spred abrod through the world and therefor it is no trew faith The minor is euident for Luther begane in Wittemberg in Saxonie and Caluin in
Geneua in Sauoye their preachings They neuer saluted Ierusalem nether is their reformed faith farr spred abrode nether hath it ben in Asia Africk Grece Egypt nether in many Kingdomes of Europe and farlesse through the world nether to the middest of it And although the Church as they say is old and aged yet their Synagogue is more apparant to be at an end Diuisions and sectes are futer tokens of an● end for their own diuisiones and daily mutations are prognostications of an end for the Euangellist sayes Luc. c. 1. euery Kingdome diuided in it self shal be desolat this desolation appeares rightly in the propagation of sectes for some are Sacramentaries In what nomber of sectes the reformed fallin whil they forsake the Catholick Church some Confessionistes some fierce some slacker some contra-deuills some hellishe deuills some two Sacramentaries other thre Sacramentaries some superintendents some Luther-Caluinists some anti-Caluinists some new-Pelagians some new Manicheans some Puritans some Gomaristes contra-Puritanes Arminians c. What a rable and a degenerat crew of sectes ech one hath the new reformed Church and the new no faith In vaine they wold be called Catholickes wher Sathan hath his dominiō it tendes to desolation and are not ashamed to claime the Catholik name to them and the Church of Christ Where Antichrist hath his desolation abominable confusion of sectes And therefor their religion reformation and faith is nether religion faith nor Gospel The Protestants sayes without warrandes Ther exception here can not be omitted vndiscouered in that they affirme and say them to hold the same doctrin which begann at Ierusalem ther vpon to assume to them the Apostolicall and Catholik faith This exception is in vaine for when soeuer any heretik did appare he sayd and affirmed the same Christ answer e our Catholik beg nn●g but euill proued here vpon Christ ●eencounters their folish-cauilling-lies who hath not placed the doctrine but the beginning of the Euangelicall preaching to take place at Ierusalem for he sayes Trew doctrin is no● knowne but preaching and to preachers beginning at Ierusalem to wit the self preachers for the doctrin is not knowne except by preaching as the Apostel sayes how shall they belieue in him in whome they haue not heard and how shall they heare without preaching therefor the preacher and the doctrine must beginne first at Ierusalem The preacher the doctrin most beginne at Ierusalem Which the new reformed preachers haue not done therefor their doctrin and reformed faith is nether Apostolical nor Catholick All Churches hath one beginning of the Apostolicall preaching beginning at Ierusalem For all particular Churches haue one originall and commun beginning to wit the Apostolicall pr aching beginning at Ierusalem and after by the same Apostles spred abrod in diuerse nations It ●est now after so many ages that albeit the Churches of the other Apostles hath perished not w h standing only Peters the Prince of the Apostles to wit the Church of Rome Rome Church standes by singular priuiledge of God that in it is livly authoritie by the singular benefit of God to remain Wher many yeares he teached and in it ended his lyf which as S. Aug Epist 162. ad Glorium sayes hath euer bene resident with the authoritie of the apostolicall chayre And theirfor for verification of our mission doctrin and faith we make manifest and declare one originall to be of the Apostles for Peter him self first of all other hath preached in Ierusalem and also from this seate when as yet the seates of the other apostles weer extant The church of Rome is cheif of all other seates when the Apostles wer a-liue All the fathers defended ther originall by this church Trew faith should be vndouted in all thinges not with standing as cheif of all others and hereto many holy fathers and the trew Senatours of the world haue inferred and induced punctually the orignall of their churches against the heretikes of their tyme. As Tertull. de praesc haeret 2. con lib 3. c. 3. Epiph. haret 27. aug 4. The fourth reason is that the trew Catholick faith ought to be vndoubted in all things the which the Church proposes to be belieued so that it is most certain to vs the thing which we are commanded to belief to be such lyke for other wayes it should not be trew faith because faith is the substance of things hoped this is the trew proper and sure fundament and an argument of nothing seene Heb. 9. and this is the trew definition of our Catholik faith and the vndoubtenes there of to depend on the Church But the Reformed faith of Luther and Caluin is not vndoubted and first I proue The Protestāts faith is full of doutes because in matters of greatest importance and moment of faith they disagree one from the other extremly For Luther omitting many to touche a fewe discrepants in his booke de capt bap printed anno 1520. about the beginning doth acknowledge only one Sacrament if we do speke sayes he according to the custome of the Scripture Luther and Caluin varie in the number of the Sacraments notwithstanding after he takes occation for the tyme to place three bapt the Lords supper and pennance Far other wayes disputes Caluin in his Parnassus lib. 4. instit cap. 18. § 19 whil he reckneth two Sacraments saying besides these none other is institute of God and yet the Church of the faithfull ought not to acknowledge any other Notwithstanding a little after in the same booke Order a Sacrament acknowledged of Caluin cap. 19. § 31. he sings an other thing placeing order amongst the Sacraments ther rests imposition of handes sayes he which in trew and lawfull ordination I graunt to be a Sacrament Bread wyne to be turned in to the body blood of Christus is Luthers opinion Againe Luther in his book de abroganda miss pri plainly teacheth that Christ when he sayd this is my body and this is my blood changed the bread into his body the wyne into his blood likewyse in his Serm. de Euchar. it is not there bread sayes he and wyne but only the species of bread and wyne Caluin called bread wyne Sacramentall symboles Contrariwise Caluin denyed his body and blood corporally and essentially to be in the Eucharist but only spiritually and sacramentally as lib. 4 instit c. 17. § 5. for that we confesse him to be no other way in the Sacrament thā by the eating of faith neither can he no other wayes be presupposed who in his first § sayes bread and wyne sayes he are signes which do represent the inuisible foode that we receiue of the flesh and blood of Christ by faith Morouer how variable and inconstant is Luther in the other artickles of the faith Luth. is so variable in the artikles of our faith that in one artkle he is noted of 36