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A26927 Fair-warning, or, XXV reasons against toleration and indulgence of popery with the Arch-bishop of Canterbury's letter to the King and all the bishops of Irelands protestation to the Parliament to the same purpose : with an answer to the Roman-Catholicks reasons for indulgence : also the excellent reasons of the Honourable House of Commons against indulgence, with historical observations thereupon. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1663 (1663) Wing B1263; ESTC R15222 25,663 47

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might advance the Catholique cause with security and confidence I promise my selfe that no ingenious Protestant will advance this Toleration which seemes to be the greatest designe that conclave of Rome manageth which is the wisest assembly of men that overlooketh the World have they embroyled us in war broken us in Religion confounded us in our government only for Toleration and shall it in peace be granted them if indulgences be the utmost that a Papist can with confidence desire and we know they are not overmodest it 's more then Protestants may with safety grant And whereas under the vizor of the sect before mentioned you are of late so earnest in pleading for a toleration deal but impartially like honest men and I will set in with you Procure but a toleration for the Reformed Christian Religion in Italy and Spain and your part of Germany Portugal c. and I should willingly petition the sovereign Powers in England that you might have as much liberty here But that you shall have full liberty here and Protestants have none where you can hinder it this is not equal dealing But how comes it to pass that you that pretend so much to unity are in this also of so many opinions the English Papists are for liberty of Religion and the Spanish and Italian are against it But I must cry you mercy I now consider It is but your selves that you think have right to liberty here and others should have it but in order to yours As hardly as you think you are used in England you live openly among us and no man that I hearof layeth hands on you When you know if a Spaniard or Italian be known to be a Protestant hee 's as sure tormented and burnt at a stake as the coat is on his back Do you not know this to be true Were I in these places where your Religion hath its will I know one leafe of this Book would cause me to be burnt to ashes that I am alive is because I am not in your power But for my part I wish not the shedding of one drop of your blood nor your imprisonment or banishment but only your moderate and necessary restraint from open iniquity and seducing of those that are unfurnished to encounter you 1. Either Scripture is True or not true If not Popery is not true which pleadeth its warrant from it And some of them argue as if they purposed to disprove the Scripture and to imitate Samson in pulling down the house on their own heads and ours in revenge for the dishonour they have suffered by the Scripture If it be true as nothing more true then Popery is not true which palpably contracteth it as in the points of Latine service and denying the Cup in the Lords Supper and many other is most evident 3. Either the Judgement of the ancient Doctors is sound or not If not then the Church of Rome is unsound that is sworn to expound the Scripture only according to their consent If it be sound then the Church of Rome is unsound that arrogate a universal Government and infallibility and build upon a foundation that was never allowed by the ancient Doctors as in the third Dispute I have fully proved and which most Christians in the World do still reject 4. Either Reason it self is to be renounced or not If it be then none can be Papists but mad men If not then Popery must be renounced which founded our very faith upon impossibilityes and teacheth men of necessity to believe in the Pope as the Vicar of Christ before they believe in Christ with many the like which are afterwards laid open 5. Either our five Senses and the Judgement made upon them is certain and infallible or not If not then the Church of Rome both Pope and Council are Fallible and not at all to be trusted For when all their Tradition is by hearing or reading they are uncertain whether ever they heard or read any such thing and we must all be uncertain whether they speak or write it And then we must not only subscribe to Fransc. Sanchez Quod nihil scitur but also say that Nihil certo creditur But if sense be certain and infallible then the Church of Rome even Pope and Council are not only Fallible but certainly false deceivers and deceived For the Pope and his Council tell the Church that it is not Bread and Wine which they take eat and drink in the Eucharist But the senses of all sound men do tell them that it is I see that it's Bread and Wine I smell it I feel it I taste it and somewhat I hear to further my assurance And yet if Popery be not false it 's no such matter One would think the dullest Reader might be quickly here resolved whether Popery be true or false Look on the consecrated bread and Wine touch it smell it taste it and if thou canst but be sure that it is indeed Bread and Wine thou maist be as sure that Popery is a delusion And if thou canst but be sure that it is not Bread and Wine yet thou maist be sure that the Pope or his Council nor any of his Doctors are not to be believed For if other mens senses be deceitfull theirs and thine are so too Reader Adhere to God and the Righteousnesse of Christ and the Teachings of the Holy Ghost by the Holy Scriptures and a faithfull Ministry in the Communion of the Saints and as a member of the Catholique Church which arising at Jerusalem is dispersed over the World containing all that are Christians renounce not right Reason or thy senses and live according to the light which is vouchsafed thee and then thou shalt be safe from Popery and all other pernicious damning errours Richard Baxter Catholique An answer to the Roman Catholiques Reasons for Indulgence JUst as I was closing this afternoones diversion the Reasons aforesaid come to my hand Reasons why Roman Catholiques should not be persecuted what indeed I expected it being an ill cause for which so many Learned Men as are devoted for that way can say nothing and though I hear they are answered by an abler hand yet thus much I thought fit to adde concerning them Reason We have great reason to bless God that they deal with us with calme reasons who dealt with our forefathers with cruell persecutions that when they burned them they are so restrained that they can only dispute with us that they only argue here while they banish as in Poland torment as in Spain Massacre as in other places not unto us not unto us it is even so O Father because so it pleased thee Reasons why Roman Catholiques reason is as universall as Mankind and of as great a compasse as nature doeth reason say in England that Roman Catholiques shall not be persecuted and doeth not reason say in Spain Italy c. that poor Protestants shall not be tormented doeth mens reason tell them that a small