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A41211 An appeal to Scripture & antiquity in the questions of 1. the worship and invocation of saints and angels 2. the worship of images 3. justification by and merit of good works 4. purgatory 5. real presence and half-communion : against the Romanists / by H. Ferne ... Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1665 (1665) Wing F787; ESTC R6643 246,487 512

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will_v do_v we_o only_o hate_v the_o heathen_a idol_n and_o decline_v they_o but_o as_o for_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n we_o have_v and_o worship_v they_o no_o they_o and_o we_o answer_v origen_n have_v not_o the_o same_o cause_n of_o decline_v these_o thing_n 20._o origen_n contra_fw-la celsum_fw-la l._n 7._o non_fw-la eandem_fw-la aversandi_fw-la cau_fw-fr vam_fw-la esse_fw-la illis_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la aliis_fw-la rationibus_fw-la moventur_fw-la quam_fw-la christiani_n &_o judaei_n quibus_fw-la religio_fw-la est_fw-la fic_z numen_fw-la colere_fw-la sibi_fw-la ab_fw-la his_fw-la temperant_fw-la propter_fw-la illud_fw-la legis_fw-la deut._n 6._o exod._n 20._o and_o again_o those_o barbarous_a nation_n be_v move_v to_o it_o by_o other_o reason_n than_o christian_n and_o the_o jew_n be_v to_o who_o it_o be_v horrid_a impiety_n so_o to_o worship_v the_o deity_n they_o keep_v themselves_o careful_o from_o these_o because_o of_o the_o law_n deut._n 6._o thou_o shall_v fear_v the_o lord_n thy_o god_n and_o he_o shall_v thou_o serve_v and_o that_o of_o exod._n 20._o thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o a_o grave_a image_n and_o because_o celsus_n have_v say_v those_o barbarian_n have_v not_o temple_n altar_n image_n by_o reason_n that_o they_o know_v not_o what_o the_o god_n and_o hero_n be_v credulitatem_fw-la impossibile_fw-it est_fw-la ut_fw-la qui_fw-la deum_fw-la novit_fw-la supplex_fw-la fiat_fw-la statuis_fw-la nos_fw-la ideò_fw-la non_fw-la honorare_fw-la simulachra_fw-la quia_fw-la quantum_fw-la possumus_fw-la cavemus_fw-la ne_fw-la quo_fw-la modo_fw-la incidamus_fw-la in_o istam_fw-la credulitatem_fw-la therefore_o origen_n subjoin_v here_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o he_o who_o know_v god_n shall_v be_v a_o worshipper_n of_o statue_n again_o we_o therefore_o do_v not_o honour_v image_n because_o we_o take_v heed_n as_o much_o as_o in_o we_o lie_v lest_o by_o any_o mean_n we_o fall_v into_o the_o credulity_n of_o attribute_v 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or_o do_v worship_v their_o god_n by_o image_n as_o he_o must_v needs_o have_v do_v if_o they_o have_v image_n then_o that_o he_o reply_v to_o the_o heathen_a that_o say_v we_o worship_v the_o god_n by_o image_n dep●ecar●_n scire_fw-la deum_fw-la &_o rei_fw-la alteri_fw-la supplicare_fw-la opem_fw-la sperare_fw-la à_fw-la numine_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la effigicm_n nullius_fw-la sensus_fw-la dep●ecar●_n what_o say_v he_o can_v be_v more_o injurious_a more_o reproachful_a to_o say_v they_o know_v god_n and_o yet_o worship_v another_o thing_n to_o profess_v they_o hope_v for_o help_v from_o the_o deity_n and_o yet_o turn_v to_o and_o supplicat_fw-la the_o image_n which_o have_v no_o sense_n which_o speak_v reason_n against_o image-worship_n in_o heathen_n or_o christian_n lactantius_n among_o many_o say_n against_o this_o folly_n colatur_fw-la lactan._n l._n 2._o c._n 18._o perversum_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la simulachrum_fw-la homi_fw-la nis_fw-la à_fw-la simulachro_fw-la dei_fw-la colatur_fw-la 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like_v the_o shift_n that_o some_o of_o their_o writer_n make_v to_o avoid_v the_o prejudice_n of_o this_o authority_n think_v good_a to_o quintum_fw-la to_o bell._n l._n 2._o the_o imagine_v cap._n 9_o sect_n ad_fw-la quintum_fw-la cut_v off_o that_o part_n of_o the_o epistle_n as_o supposititious_a and_o add_v to_o the_o rest_n by_o a_o after_o hand_n but_o this_o be_v sure_a that_o st._n hierom_n who_o be_v contemporary_a to_o epiphanius_n and_o hold_v correspondency_n and_o friendship_n with_o he_o translate_v the_o whole_a epistle_n out_o of_o greek_a into_o latin_a this_o part_n of_o it_o as_o well_o as_o the_o rest_n and_o account_v this_o to_o be_v epiphanius_n his_o deed_n and_o report_n and_o this_o one_o thing_n be_v of_o more_o weight_n than_o those_o many_o petty_a pretence_n of_o reason_n which_o the_o cardinal_n hold_v out_o for_o the_o proof_n of_o what_o he_o say_v now_o let_v we_o hear_v what_o epiphanius_n say_v doctrinal_o of_o image_n 79._o epiph._n de_fw-fr collyridianis_n har._n 79._o write_v against_o the_o collyridians_n that_o worship_v the_o virgin_n mary_n call_v she_o the_o queen_n of_o heaven_n he_o tell_v we_o the_o original_a of_o image_n or_o rather_o of_o the_o honour_n and_o worship_n they_o get_v in_o the_o world_n that_o the_o devil_n bring_v they_o in_o 〈◊〉_d in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d under_o pretence_n of_o just_a that_o be_v of_o give_v famous_a man_n their_o due_n by_o honour_v they_o after_o death_n creep_v into_o the_o mind_n of_o man_n and_o 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d consecrate_v or_o design_v the_o mortal_a nature_n to_o divine_a honour_n he_o set_v before_o man_n eye_n humane_a likeness_n and_o image_n polish_v with_o great_a art_n that_o see_v they_o that_o be_v worship_v be_v dead_a and_o out_o of_o sight_n their_o image_n may_v appear_v and_o receive_v the_o honour_n and_o adoration_n so_o that_o ancient_a father_n st._n ambrose_n impiorum_fw-la ambr._n de_fw-fr obitu_fw-la the_o odosii_fw-la regem_fw-la adora_fw-la vit_fw-mi non_fw-la lignum_fw-la utique_fw-la quia_fw-la hic_fw-la gentilis_fw-la est_fw-la error_n &_o vanitas_fw-la impiorum_fw-la have_v this_o passage_n of_o helena_n mother_n of_o constantine_n when_o she_o have_v find_v the_o very_a cross_n of_o christ_n she_o worship_v the_o king_n christ_n not_o the_o wood._n the_o cardinal_n reply_v that_o st._n ambrose_n will_v have_v the_o cross_n not_o adore_v for_o itself_o but_o for_o christ_n sake_n as_o if_o that_o age_n of_o the_o the_o church_n know_v the_o new_a romish_a distinction_n or_o limitation_n of_o give_v worship_n to_o cross_n and_o image_n for_o themselves_o or_o for_o the_o exemplar_n sake_n but_o the_o cardinal_n do_v advise_o in_o cut_v off_o what_o follow_v in_o that_o father_n for_o this_o be_v a_o heathen_a error_n and_o vanity_n of_o the_o wicked_a viz._n to_o worship_v such_o thing_n religious_o yet_o there_o he_o find_v something_o which_o he_o think_v may_v favour_v the_o adoration_n of_o the_o cross_n ibid._n levavit_fw-la crucem_fw-la in_o capite_fw-la regum_fw-la ut_fw-la crux_fw-la domini_fw-la in_o regibus_fw-la adoretur_fw-la ambr._n ibid._n helena_n say_v ambrose_n do_v wise_o in_o set_v the_o cross_n upon_o the_o head_n of_o king_n for_o she_o have_v commend_v it_o to_o constantine_n her_o son_n to_o set_v it_o upon_o his_o crown_n that_o the_o cross_n of_o our_o lord_n may_v be_v adore_v in_o king_n what_o that_o material_a cross_n place_v on_o the_o diadem_n of_o any_o king_n be_v adore_v so_o must_v the_o cardinal_n suppose_v it_o or_o else_o he_o must_v grant_v that_o the_o intent_n of_o helena_n and_o the_o say_n of_o st._n ambrose_n upon_o it_o be_v only_o to_o show_v what_o esteem_v she_o have_v and_o all_o other_o ought_v to_o have_v of_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n redemptioni_fw-la non_fw-la insolentia_fw-la haec_fw-la sed_fw-la pietas_fw-la cùm_fw-la desertur_fw-la sacrae_fw-la redemptioni_fw-la and_o therefore_o it_o follow_v in_o st._n ambrose_n this_o be_v not_o a_o strange_a or_o unseemly_a thing_n but_o piety_n see_v the_o honour_n be_v give_v to_o the_o sacred_a redemption_n hear_v now_o
messiah_n and_o indeed_o that_o place_n of_o isa_n 9.6_o where_o the_o messiah_n be_v call_v pater_fw-la futuri_fw-la seculi_fw-la the_o father_n of_o the_o age_n or_o world_n to_o come_v to_o who_o a_o generation_n shall_v be_v account_v ps_n 22.30_o do_v accord_n thereunto_o now_o it_o be_v a_o opinion_n among_o the_o jew_n as_o they_o that_o be_v acquaint_v with_o their_o rabbin_n do_v tell_v we_o that_o some_o sin_n shall_v then_o be_v forgive_v which_o can_v not_o before_o and_o according_o it_o be_v a_o usual_a expression_n by_o say_v such_o a_o sin_n shall_v not_o be_v forgive_v no_o not_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v to_o show_v the_o atrocity_n and_o flagitiousness_n of_o such_o a_o sin_n which_o the_o grace_n that_o the_o messiah_n shall_v bring_v will_v not_o take_v away_o and_o so_o our_o saviour_n may_v speak_v this_o ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la according_a to_o their_o common_a opinion_n and_o say_n to_o express_v the_o heinousness_n of_o that_o sin_n or_o blasphemy_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n but_o take_v this_o phrase_n according_a to_o the_o tenor_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n which_o suppose_v the_o messiah_n come_v already_o the_o world_n to_o come_v every_z where_o signify_v that_o which_o begin_v at_o the_o resurrection_n or_o last_o day_n of_o this_o world_n then_o be_v fix_v the_o end_n of_o this_o world_n mat._n 13.39.40_o &_o cap._n 28.20_o and_o then_o begin_v the_o world_n to_o come_v marc._n 10.30_o luc._n 18.30_o eph._n 1.21_o and_o so_o it_o must_v be_v take_v by_o st._n aug._n in_o that_o place_n which_o the_o romanist_n cite_v as_o to_o their_o purpose_n for_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n not_o forgive_v before_o remittetur_fw-la aug._n de_fw-fr civit._fw-la dei_fw-la l._n 21._o c._n 24._o neque_fw-la enim_fw-la de_fw-la qui_fw-la busdam_fw-la veraciter_fw-la diceretur_fw-la non_fw-la remittetur_fw-la otherwise_o say_v he_o it_o can_v not_o be_v true_o say_v of_o some_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v forgive_v neither_o in_o this_o world_n nor_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v for_o if_o we_o inquire_v of_o he_o when_o shall_v this_o be_v resurrectione_n factâ_fw-la resurrectione_n he_o tell_v we_o there_o after_o the_o resurrection_n be_v do_v and_o so_o also_o futurum_fw-la seculum_fw-la the_o world_n to_o come_v be_v take_v both_o by_o greek_n and_o latin_n purgatorio_fw-la latin_n council_n flor._n sess_n 1._o de_fw-la purgatorio_fw-la in_o their_o debate_n of_o this_o point_n ii_o forgiveness_n of_o the_o forgiveness_n for_o their_o inference_n from_o our_o saviour_n negative_a not_o forgive_v say_v he_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v therefore_o say_v they_o there_o be_v sin_n to_o be_v forgive_v in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v the_o cardinal_n acknowledge_v it_o do_v not_o follow_v according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o logic_n indeed_o such_o forgiveness_n as_o they_o pretend_v in_o relation_n to_o purgatory_n can_v in_o any_o reason_n follow_v upon_o our_o saviour_n speech_n that_o there_o be_v a_o 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