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A90962 The city-remonstrance remonstrated. Or An answer to Colonell John Bellamy, his Vindication thereof, in justification of The moderate reply to the city-remonstrance. / By I.P. Price, John, Citizen of London. 1646 (1646) Wing P3339; Thomason E345_18; ESTC R200996 24,101 36

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THE CITY-REMONSTRANCE Remonstrated OR An answer to Colonell John Bellamy his Vindication thereof in justification OF The Moderate Reply to the CITY-REMONSTRANCE By I. P. 18. MAT. 6. But who so shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me it were better that a Mill-stone were hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the midst of the Sea 2 PET. 2. 20. 21. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ they are again intangled therein and overcome the latter end is worse with them then the beginning For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousnesse then after they had known it to turn from the holy commandement delivered unto them London Printed by Tho. Paine for Henry Overton and are to be sold at his Shop at the entring into Popes head alley out of Lumbard street 1646. ❧ To his honour'd Friend Colonell JOHN BELLAMY Sir FAwning Flattery spoyls many but plain dealing is every mans duty The wounds of a Friend will heale when the kisses of an Enemy will hurt The City Remonstrance is no caracter of the Cityes excellency Nor your Vindication thereof of your Perfection And the truth is the former Expresses of this worthy City and the common observation of your old Profession quitted our expectations of such a Remonstrance from them And such a Vindication from you For as wee doe not expect Grapes from thornes so neither sowre Sloes from generous Vines as not Figs from thistles so neither prickles from Figge-trees But it is the City above which is only pure and the man at Gods right hand who is only Perfect And therefore As the Moon is not defineable by her Spots Jewels by their flawes nor Gould by its drosse so is not the City by their Remonstrance nor your selfe by your Vindication thereof though I must needs say the pleading for evill is worse then the evill it pleads for and therefore your Vindication then the Remonstrance it selfe but yet the greatnesse of the temptation viz. your presumption of the Cityes favour and Popular applause calles for more Graines of allowance concerning your selfe in the thoughts of your Friends I confesse you are once more assaulted with a fresh temptation viz. to hate your friend even to revenge for his plain dealings and how it prevailes your future deportment towards him and his Friends I mean the Servants of God differing in Iudgement from your selfe will helpe mens intelligence were wee to know men after the flesh your former acquaintance and your kindnesse to me had held my hand from this present worke but Selfe denyall is both your duty and mine Your strange siding and keen penning it against your Bretheren makes them affraid of you lest you should be one of those many who in the latter dayes shall be offended at the name of Christ betray one another and bate one another beleeve it how ever you may flatter your selfe you are already come to a neerer degree of open persecution of the Saints of God then Haza● was unto those blouddy executions against Israel of old when he said to the Prophet lamenting at the fore-sight thereof Is thy Servant a Dog that he should do this great thing 2. Kings 8. 13. the present distance wherein you stand from such proceedings is not so great as the former was from your present practises during the time of your old profession those that begin not only to forsake the fellowships of their old Companions in the wayes of God but also to make them obnoxious to the Stroake of the Magistrate as you have done are posting apace to that irrecoverable sin of doing despite to the Spirit of Grace Heb. 10. 29. I know Sir these are cutting words but their propper tendency is your personall good and the timely prevention through Gods mercy of your future evill for how ever you take me my heart-knowing God and my thoughts-knowing conscience can witnesse for me that I am Your reall and faithfull Friend J. P. THE CITY REMONSRANCE Remonstrated First Mr. Bellamy Let us consider the title page of your Booke Secondly We shall mind your booke it selfe Your Title page begins thus A VINDICATION WHat cause is so bad that an advocate cannot be had for gold or silver or something equivalent to plead the same What Declarations or Remonstrances were ever pen'd against the Parliament Which had not some under the specious pretences and colour of Religion and libertie to abet the same Absolom will find an Achitophel a cunning Counceller to draw away the people in the simplicitie of their hearts knowing nothing to accommodate his rebellion against his owne father the Idolatrous Ephesians had their coveteous Demetrius to advance the greatnesse of their Diana against the preachings of the Apostles and the superstitious Jewes had their eloquent Tertullus to represent the Apostle Paul for his zeale to his master a pestilent fellow a pernicious incendiary a notorious Sectary Acts 25. 5. And as it was in the beginning so it is now witnesse the present case A moderate reply to the City Remonstrance In justification of the Parliaments innocencie from the prejudice raised against them by the said Remonstrance as shall fully be evidenced before wee have done being pressed hereunto meets with Adversarie upon adversarie representing the Author of the said Reply a lyer because he tells the truth an Heretique a Sectary because a friend to the Parliament an incendiary between the Parliament and City because impleading the Remonstrance he implores favour from the Parliaments hands in its Authors behalfe the Replyer is assaulted with keene oppositions the Remonstrance justified by a double vindication both comming forth in one day striving for prioritie in the execution of vengeance according to all their might and length of their arme against the said replyer the one written by Mr. John Bellamy a man we presume well known to us the other a partner in the same imployment whose learning and reading whose stile and dialect whose temper and genius so far as perceivable by his profound vindication of the Citie Remonstrance argues his birth breeding and education not far from Billingsgate for he hath the perfect art of railing and raving and non-sence writing calling men Sectaries Heretiques Scihsmatique Lyers Incendiaries by roat more befitting unreasonable scoulds then rationall men and therefore shall take no farther notice of his non-sence scribling OF THE HUMBLE REMONSTRANCE c. Court Complements are worth nothing and the humilitie of of the Remonstrance is better discerned by the matter it selfe then the title thereof your humble servant saith the Cavaleer though his desire to serve you is by cutting your throate the hand declares when the tongue dissembles the intentions of the mind A Remonstrance invective against the Parliament and yet humble this is somewhat a kinne to a contradiction Epithites alters not the nature of Actions the humilitie of the Remonstrance
of little worth granting almost what the Replyer required only I see you most extreamely shuffling in one point that were you nor so well skil'd in facings might make men wonder at you and that is where the Replyer chargeth an untruth in the Remonstrance and bring in your self to stand by him and that is about the displacing or casting out of Mr. Quarterman from his Marshall ship of London the Remonstrance saith the City did cast him out the Replyer saith the City did not cast him out but it was the Lord Major and Court of Aldermen which are not the City either collective or representative in no sense the City as having power hereunto and hee produceth you to stand by him What Master Bellamy will you not stand by him in your booke called a Plea for the Commonalty of London wee have your judgement under your hand in blacke and white and will you faulter now you are called out to make it good Had you not better been an Anonymus when you writ that booke Then Master John Bellamy what kind of man are you They that observe your sayings what they have been formerly concerning the King concerning the Lords concerning the power of the Commons whispering your thoughts in the ears of many that now speak of it what your carriages have been not very long since in the Common Councel in or among your brethren the Stationers the Committee appointed for the keeping up and maintaining the expository Lectures and what your carriages are now stand with admiration and amazement at your wheeling thus about You say little more to the Replyer only I find you once more in an extreame heat of passion against him because he told the Remonstrant s of their pressing the Parliament to a suddaine payment of their debts c. you take on thus What is it now come to that passe that when the City and Cityzens of London who have lent and expended for the use and service of the Parliament more and greater vast sums of●money then ever any if not all the Cities in the Land have done nay then ever any Citie in all the world a great word Mr. Bellamy and you need to be as able and dilligent a Reader as seller of bookes to make good what you say have done at any one time to and for the service of that State in which it stood and yet must it now by an Anonymus a Libeller be taxed c. Hold Mr. Bellamy le●'s have lesse of your passion and more of your reason doe not you give as just an occasion for others to say if they should steer their pens by your compasse What is it now come to that passe Shall not only the City overtaken as the best of Ci●ies may sometimes be see forth as strange a Remonstrance reflecting prejudice upon a Parliament that have done more and suffered more for them and by whom they have received more good then by any Parliament that ever they had nay it is verily believed then ever any Parliament in the world ever did for a City in any state where it hath been but must a private person a John Bellamy an Episcopall man an Anti-Episcopall man an An●baptist an Anti-Anabaptist a Separate an Anti Sep●rate an Episcopall man again an Anti Episcopall man a Presbyterian a halfe Presbyterian so bi-fronted as to deny Presbyterie to be Jure Divino and y●t helping on the pressing and inforcing of it upon his bret●ren that cannot submit unto it because they cannot see it Jure Devino a Sectary an Anti-Sectarie a Schismatique an Anti Schismatique a Scoffer at new lights Doctrines of a new date a some thing an any thing an every thing must such a man as this stand forth in print with his vindication of such a Remonstrance You have a few words more yet to the Replyer he tells you he knowes not your meaning by private and separate Congregations you tell him what the City meanes but truly Sir except you shew your commission to be the City Interpreter you must give men leave yet to scruple what they meant thereby he tells you again he know●s not your meaning by An●baptists and Brownists you tell him they mean those so called by the Parliament not by the King printed in the booke of Declarations pag 659. What ever the Replyer thinkes I believe the Remonstrantes meanes those who ever they be that are but dis●ffected to Presbyteriall Government as will easily appeare by comparing that second Petition of the Remonstrance with the third and fourth which next followes You find fault with the Replyer because he will not joyne with you in the third Petition viz. that as wee are all sub●●cts of one Kingdome so all may be equally required to yeild obedience to that government set forth or to be set forth by the Parliament The Re●●yer saith that such a thing is against Religion and reason you answer no the meaning of this Petition is that one Law may equal●y ob●ieg● every Subject in this Kingdome and for this you give us a cluster of proofes you bid the Replyer make it out i● he can ●f there was any more then one Law that did bind the Church of Israell of old in the times of any of the Pattiarchs the Judges the Kings the Governors either before in or after the Captivity o● since the comming of Christ or of the Apostles either in the Churches of Jerusalem Antioch Rome Corinth Galatia Ephesus Philippi Colosse Thessalouica and the seven Churches of Asia c. But what is all this to the point in hand were any of these Churches you speake of governed by a politticall government according to the prudence of the States wherein they were or according to a divine rule given unto them from God doe yon Mr. B●llamy with your bretheren Remo●strants desire the Parliamēt to settle that p●at●forme of government which Christ hath appointed or no●l● no al● y●ur great ●cap of Scrip●ure ●nstances are not to the purpose 〈◊〉 so be you doe so Why then one turne more Mr. Bellamy and conlesse that though yesterday you did not own any plat forme of Church government to be Juredi●ino yet to day you have new light and if so doe no longer jeare at new ●ight 〈◊〉 so be you hold Church government to be Jure politice why then i●●he Parliament judge Jus politicum to permit u●en differing in judgment in that point let them alone You have here done with the Replyer and ●un to his Partner and let him answer you for I neither know him nor his Book FINIS