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A86328 The foundation of the font discovered to the view of all that desire to behold it. And, the baptizing of men and women when they believe (in rivers and fountains) proved to be a standing ordinance in the Church of Cchrist to the end of the world; by plain Scripture-proof. In answer to Mr. Cook's Font uncovered, for infant-baptism; and Mr. Baxter's Plain Scripture-proof for infants church-membership and baptism. With a word sometimes upon occasion to Mr. Hall's Font-guarded; which is more fully answered by Thomas Collyer. By Henry Haggar, a servant of Christ, and the congregations of his saints. Haggar, Henry. 1653 (1653) Wing H186; Thomason E711_1; ESTC R207114 109,478 143

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Separates and Anabaptists you say are your enemies therefore you cannot in conscience expect any from them because you war not for them but against them All you can have from that Scripture is that you should have charges of them you fight for and if they judge the quarrel good that you have in hand it s but reason they should maintain you in it but it must be freely or else if you force them you fight not for them but against them and make them your enemies and lose your priviledges Again You will say Who planteth a Vineyard and eateth not the fruit thereof Answ It is true but you never planted the Vineyard of the Separates and Anabaptists as you call them therefore you may not eat of the fruit of their labours except you buy it or take it from them wickedly by force nay you say we are not the Lords Vineyard but rather an accursed people like the ground that brings forth thornes and thistles therefore you cannot possibly expect any fruit of us for men cannot gather grapes of thornes nor figs of thistles Again you will say Who feedeth a flock and eateth not of the milk thereof Answ Truth but you do not feed the flocks of the separated people and Anabaptists nay you will and do say they are not the flock of Christ but Wolves and Tygers therefore if there be milk to be had amongst them you have no right to it because you feed them not neither can you in the second place expect any from them because you deny them to be a flock Lastly You will say We must not muzzle the mouth of the Ox that treadeth out the corn I answer It is not true but what is that to the other beasts that tread out no corn but rather destroyeth it and will not suffer it to grow till the Harvest but will pull up Wheat and Tares together contrary to the command of the Lord of the Harvest Mat. 13.28 29 30. and this is one reason of our dissenting or departing from all those Churches whose Ministers do thus covet after the wages of unrighteousness whose Priests teach for hire and whose Prophets divine for money and yet are so impudent as to lean upon the Lord and to say Is not the Lord amongst us and no evil can come upon us 2 Pet. 2.14 15. with Micah 3.11 The second reason is their pride because they plead humane learning to be the glory of their Ministry as appeareth by their slighting of all those that have not served an apprentiship at Cambridge or Oxford calling themselves Orthodox Divines and the other illiterate mechanick men and sometimes when you are so put to it that you have nothing to say for your selves then you will confess that learning is but the hand-maid and grace is the Mistress But I pray what part of Scripture do you finde this saying written in or is not rather one of your cunningly devised fables which Peter saith he never followed 2 Pet. 1.16 But doth any wise Christian think that grace being in the heart of a man or woman cannot do her own work without a maid or did any man ever read in the Scripture that humane learning was graces hand-maid if there be such a place let us see it but if there be not for shame leave this idle fantastical reasoning and know that it is but to set up self and flesh and the Devil in mens hearts for he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved Mark 16.15 15. if they indure to the end Mat. 24.13 and Christs sheep are those that hear his voice and follow him and he give will them eternal life and none shall pluk them out of his band John 10.27 28. but he doth not say If they have humane learning or if they were educated at Cambridge or Oxford or at some University nay God is so far from taking delight in the words that mans wisdome teacheth that he saith he will destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent 1 Cor. 1.19 and he chuseth not many wise men after the flesh nor many mighty nor many noble but God hath chosen as James saith chap. 2.5 the poor in this world rich in Faith and heirs of the kingdome promised to them that love him and God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty and base things and things that are dispised hath God chosen yea and things that are not to bring to nought things that are and this he doth that no flesh should glory in his presence See 1 Cor. 1.26 27 28 29. and yet you will glory in your humane leaning saying at least it is graces handmaid when the truth is if grace be truely in the heart of a man it is able to do its work without an handmaid for the Lord saith My grace is sufficient and his strength is made perfect in weakness 2 Cor. 12.9 and the Lord is so far from setting up learned men above unlearned that Christ saith Luke 10.21 I thank thee O Father Lord of heaven and earth that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to Babes even so O Father for so it seemed good in thy sight And it was alwaies Gods way or for the most part to chuse his Prophets out of unlearned men and honest labouring men that knew what it was to get their living by the sweat of their brows and not such as were brought up idly so that they cannot dig and are ashamed to beg and therefore prove unjust Stewards These are not fit to be Ministers of Christ because they must preach for hire or else they cannot live therefore they must please men and have mens persons in admiration because of advantage as Jude saith ver 16. or else men will give them little or no wages but the Lord chose other manner of persons as Moses a Sepherd Exod. 3.1 2. Elisha a plow-man as he was plowing 1 King 19.19 20. David a shepherd as he followed the Ews great with yong Psal 78.70 71. Amos an herds-man and one that gathered Sycomore The Lord took him as he followed the flock and said Go prophesie to my people Israel Amos 7.14 15. and Fishermen as they were about their honest callings and mending their nets like people that intended still to follow their callings them Christ called to follow him and to preach the Gospell he did not say to them as the learned Priests now a daies to honest tradesmen You must abide in your calling you must not preach but leave that to the learned Divines that have been brought up to it you must not presume to take such a work upon you c. but Christ was not of their minds as you may see Mat. 4.18 19 20 21 22. Likewise he chose ignorant and unlearned men as Peter and John yea and