we faithfully râceiuing the visible and externall signes according to Christ his institution in remembraunce of his death and passion spirituaâly doe feed vpon the body of Christ aââ receiue the fruites of his death euen remission of our sinnes Other sacramentes we haue no warrant for in the worde of god These sacramentes were onely vsed by Christ and his Apostles and by all their true successours The sacramentes in the olde Testament vnto which anie promise was annexed were these two onely that is circumcision and the Passouer which doe rightly and aptly represent ãâã two sacramentes set forth in the newe âââament as Baptisme and the Lordes âââer which haue bene vsed alwaies âââe true Church euer since Christ and âââued of the auncient Fathers as the onely knowne sacramentes appoynted by ââârist So Augustine affirmeth That ãâã Lord the Apostles deliuered vnto âââewe sacraments in steede of manie ãâã the same to be most easie in doing âââst reuerend in vnderstandinge and in âââeruation most pure to wit the sacrameÌts of Baptisme the celebratioÌ of thâ sacrament of the body and blood of ouâ Lorde Likewise another sayth The sacramentes of Christ in the catholikâ Church are Baptisme and the bodâ and bloude of our Lorde Which sacramentes also and all the principle poynte of our true religion Constantine the Christian and godly Emperour and alâ his noble successours mightely defended and set forth the same The same Constantine was christened not by the Pope buâ by Eusebius Bishop of Nicomedia noâ in a corner but in the presence of many other not popishe but Christian Bishopes Hee ouercame Licinium his sisters husbande who persecuted the Christians The same Constantine summoned a councell at Nice against that blasphemous heritike Arrius And as the historie saith the Emperour before named wrote vnto all the rulers of the Churches that they shoulde be at Nice by a day to the Bishop of the Apostolicke sea to Macarius Bishope of Hierusalem and to Iulius the bishope of Rome In that flourishing time liued sundry godly writers whose bookes nowe extant doe shewe that they embracced the same faith and religion which we at this day do professe touching the Sacramentes iustification by faith onely inuocation to God alone saluation onely by Christ and all other chiefe poyntes of doctrine whose workes if your Romish Church had kept inuiolable and had not corrupted as you did in like manner with the Canonicall books of the Bible you might haue learned a difference betwixt trueth and errour And if you would yet hearken to the doctrine which they doe deliuer they will teach you that your Romish church is a cage of vncleane birdes and that your religion is mingled with all heresies though you charge others with the same fault and that you haue no true discipline but rather crueltie no principall pastor sauing Antichrist no officers but Blood-suckers and no Churche in deede but the Sinagogue of Sathan that cruell mother whiche will needes haue the Childe to be cutte in peeces which spareth no Sexe or kinde no Infant though it bee in the mothers belly no hoare heade nor aged person finally your church hath no truth but falshood and iâ wholly imbamed with the heresies of aâ ages You take parte with the Iewes anâ Pagans you care not with whome yoâ shake handes so it be not with Christ or his holy Gospell vnto which you doo beare â deadly hate And yet you stand vpon youâ reputation and would haue men to beleeuâ you whatsoeuer you speake Whereas you call our Church A contemptible vnknowne close and secret company at thiâ day the Lord be thanked the greater partâ of Europe besides the countries I spakâ of before doo ioyne together with vs iâ one truth of doctrine I would haue yoâ to prooue by the worde of God for youâ wordes bee no warrant to auenturâ our soules vppon your Romish Church to bee the auncient and true Catholike Church and to professe the same faith and doctrine truely which Christ his Apostles left behinde them and that which was in the time of those godly Emperours of Rome and a long tyme after or that Christ did promise to leaue such a Church as should haue onâ generall and chiefe Pastor to sit in iudgement to punish offendors and to call a generall councell to try the truth or else we cannot ioyne with you against God and against his sonne Christ For we acknowledge no other principall Pastor but Christ Iesus whom the heauens must conteine vntill the time that all thinges be restored which God hath spokeÌ by the mouth of al his holy prophets since the world began who neuerthelesse is euer present with his Church Papist 7 AGaine I require of the Protestant to declare by good histories or by reasonable likelyhod when the true church as they account theirs to be decaied or in what yeare the religion of the Papistes came in and preuailed Whether all their true Church was so soundly sleeping that none would preach against it euen at the tyâe when it first entred Whether all nations sodeinly and in one yeare were mooued vnto the doctrine of the Papistes no one man of all their true âhurch either preaching teaching wriâââg nor attempting any thing against it â making mention of it Whether all âââkes of seruice were altered Whether ãâã a moment the masse was sayed in steede of their Apostolike communion Whether sodenly men began to pray for soules departed sodenly required the helpe of Saintes in heauen sodeinly the tongue of common praier was altered Tell me in what yeare of our Lorde vnder what Emperour vnder what Pope vppon what occasion this merueilous mutation was made by whome all these thinges were wrought who preached against it what storie maketh mention of it who of al your Pastoures preached against it Was Goddes Churche so voyde of the spirite of truth and strength that euen then when it most flourished it had none that durste open his mouth agaynst suche corruption of religion at the firste entering in of it and when it mighte soone haue beene repressed If it coulde not haue bene stayde tell me in what yeare of our Lorde this mutation was made and who of the true Preachers withstode our doctrine and yf wee note you not by the names euerye one of your captaines and the seuerall errours whiche they taught and the time and yeare when they rose against the receiued truth and the councels wherein they were orderly condemned If I say this canne bee doone on your side towards vs and wee do it not for improofe of your Church and religion I recante And for that purpose because the gouernement of the Bishoppes of Rome is moste misliked of them And yet moste notoriously knowne by euery Historie let them note the Pope that first brake of the course of his forefathers beliefe and Regiment in anie Articles of faith or necessarie Christian vsage And I recant Answeare 7. MY meaning is not to
other mens writing and so would I haue others vnderstand myne It is most true that Origem Ambrose Augustine Hierom the other fathers of the Church haue their seuerall errors one doth write against an other most vehemently What maruell is it that these did differ seing that âhe Apostles theÌ selues could not agree alwayes in all pointes Paule did withstand Peter in the face before all men Platina one of your owne storie writers affirmeth that the Popes them selues whom you brage so much of did repugne one an others decrees The next Pope saith he either breaketh or vtterly repealeth his predecessors decrees For these little petie Popes had no other studie to occupie them selues with all but only to deface the name of the former Popes of which church were not only these Popes but also your owne scholemen pillers of your religion How came it to passe that these thinges were vttered in your owne boks Barnardus non vidit omnia Barnarde did not see all things Hic magister non tenetur Here one maister is not to bee receiued Thomas Aquine saith that we are not boÌnd vpon the necessitie of saluatioÌ to beleue not only the Doctours of the Churche as Hierom. August ⪠but also neither the church it selfe sauing only matters concerning the substaunce of faith But lett all mens aucthoritie passe and receiue that remaining in eight Persons the which which the holy Apostle wriceth Whosoeuer bringeth not the Doctrine of the Gospell receiue them not And againe If wee or an Angell from heauen doe preach any other doctrine theÌ you haue receiued hold him accursed To conclud we ought not to leane either to this man or that to the right hand or to the left to this church or that church in any thing whatsoeuer further then the truth of Gods word doth direct vs Neither doeth our saluation depend vppon anie earthly man but we ascribe it wholy to our lord sauiour Christ by whose stripes onely we are healed Papist 11 MOreouer I aske of the Protestants whether in the time on which they hold the true Church to haue bene hidden or lost the people that learned this article of their Creede I beleue the catholik Church was bound to goe from the church which they sawe and which taught them both that article all other things touching their faith by which they were christened receiued al other sacramentes commodities of saluation And whether they were bound to seeke for this vnknowne closse congregation which they could neither come vnto nor by âhich they neuer receaued any benefit nor âould receiue any so forsake the church ây whome and in whome they receiued both âheir faith sacraments Shew me therfore âhat the Christian men of those dates were charged to beleue any other church or seke for any other church theÌ that which taught them the articles of the church and baptized them And I recant Answeare 11 YOu further demauÌd Whether the people when the Church was hid were bound to goe from the church which they sawe seeke the vnknowne church beleue the same If you will vouchsafe to peruse that which I haue noted heretofore which is also confirmed by sundrie learned authorities viz. that the true church of God is to be sought for to be found only by the scripturs which are the foundations of the same church you may be satisfied heerein that the people ought to stay them selues vpon the scriptures not to beleue any further then Gods word leadeth theÌ The true church of God is not alwayes most apparant in earth or consistinge of the greatest number This appeareth by Noah in setting him selfe against all the worlde the true Church onely excepted then were saued in the arke and all the worlde else drowned Was not Lot his small familie the true Church of God deliuered by the Angells and the fiue whole citties destroyed ⪠where was the Church in the time of Elias when he complained most bitterly and said I haue bene verie ielous for the Lord God of hoastes For the children of Israel haue forsaken the couenant broken downe the altars slaine thy Prophetes with the swoord I only am lefte and they seeke my life to take it away Where was the Church when Esay the Prophet cried out How is the faithfull cittie become an harlot it was full of iudgement iustice lodged therein but now they are murtherers their siluer is become drosse their wine is mixed with water their Princes are rebellious and companions of theeues Where was the Church when Dauid the Prophet did breake for the into theise words there is not one that doeth good no not one If there were any Church of God in these times in which these Propheâes liued no doubt it was in verie fewe or els hid altogether otherwise they would not so greeuouslie haue complained of the want thereof And yet there was in all âese times a Church in outwarde forme âewe to the iudgment of man supposed to â the true Church where the Iewes the ââe Church at what time they bosted most â the outwarde beautie of their Church âying We are the temple of the Lord or âhen they sayd wee are the children of God whereas euen at that time they went â whoring after their owne inuentions But as the Scribes Pharisies vaunted âem selues that they were the true Church âf God the Disciples of Moses the sonnes âf Abraham where as in deede by the teââimonie of our sauiour Christ they worââipped God in vaine teachinge the preâeptes and doctrines of men and erred for âhat they knowe not the scriptures were âypocrites dissemblers deuouring wiâowes houses vnder a colour of longe praiâr euen so you with your Church of Rome âhough you bragge neuer so much of your âuccession and aucthoritie the holy ghost âlainly sheweth that your Babilon shall âaue a fal Our sauiour Christ telleth both âou the pharisees that you haue made through your own deuises the temple of God adenn of theues Triumph neuer so much that you are the catholike church ⪠that you are in the arke of Noah you are none of Gods neither shall be till you renounce abolish your vaine ceremonies â false worshipping of God other thinges which you do contrarie to his holy wordeâ The true church of God is coÌpared to the Moone which sometimes is full clere aâ bright sometimes in the Eclips is wan â darke so the church of God is now great now small now calme and in quietnesse nowe subiect to tempests and troubles nowe in many nowe in fewe And therefore you are greatlie deceiued in that you do thinke the Church vtterly extinguished wheÌ it appeareth not at your pleasure Thus you may learne by sundrie writers that God hath had wil haue alwaies his church whether it be more or lesse One which hath written the Forte of
the which âuilding Christe is the chiefe corner stone âhough you haue taught the people of God âtherwise affirming the Pope to be head âf Gods Churche and to be of equiualent âucthoritie with Christ One of your scholeâoctors saith That Christe and the Pope âake one consistorie and sinne onely âxcepted the Pope can doe whatsoeuer God himselfe can doe And euen as you âeale with Christe for the preheminence ând rule so you will appointe him a body âr no bodie or alter or chaunge his bodie âs you liste You cannot limit GOD âis Church for his Church is in manie or âewe as his heauenlie wisedome appoyneth And therfore Christ saith That whenâoeuer two or three are gathered togeaâher in my name I am in the middest of âhem And as one doth say as is before âlledged Although there were but two âen remayning in the worlde yet in âhem two the Churche of God which âs the vnitie of the faithfull shoulde bee saued Therefore though man be ignorant whome God hath elected vnto saluation and who be of Christ his bodie yet God who vnderstandeth all secretes doeth knowe who are his And euerie member of Christ hath the spirite of God to assure his conscience that he is the childe of god God graunt you that inwarde testimonie and the comfort of the same spirit grounded vpon the Gospell which they doe feele in themselues Then will you neuer be so carefull for these outwarde shewes Papist 15 SHew me that the church which ought to be a Christian mans stay in troubles ⪠and tempests of doctrine might become so hidden or so close that no man could finde her or so hartlesse that she coulde succour no man nor instruct anie man in hâ doubte of conscience or distresse in faith Proue me that there may be such a decay â Goddes spirit truth and churche And I recant Answeare 15 IT seemeth that you are harping alwaieâ vppon one string but if you woulde dilâgently waie with your selfe the frailtie man who is dailie slipping away from dâtifull obedience towardes God and consider what bridles and bittes God hath ordained to pull him backe from the libertie of sinne to preserue him from daungers You shal finde other staies to grounde maÌs faith and settle his coÌscience then anie such outwarde shewe of a visible Church as you imagin The ground worke and foundation of faith and the staie and buttresse of mans conscience are the holie scriptures which Dauid the blessed Prophet calleth the Mountaines vnto which the faithful shoulde lift vp their eyes which are the onely comforte to theÌ in their troubles Christ exhorteth vs To searche the scriptures for they do beare witnes of him who is our peace our iustification our sanctification our redemptioÌ The Apostle assureth vs That the scriptures are the power of god vnto saluatioÌ to as many as beleeue whether they be Iewes or Gentils What need we any further proofe to teach vs that faith is staied vpoÌ the scriptures then that which is spoken by Paule the Apostle ⪠Faith saith he commeth of hearing and hearing by the worde of God. Howe shall we knowe God ⪠Howe shall we knowe Christ How shal we know Gods spirit howe shall wee discerne true faith from a fonde opinion but onely by the scriptures Faith as Saint Augustine affirmeth doth stagger if the aucthority of gods scriptures do faile True faith true knowledge and a right conscience are grounded vpon the worde of god Constantine that worthie Emperour spake openly in the Nicene Councel to the like effecte The writinges saith he of the Euangelistes and Apostles and the oracles of the auncient Prophets do instruct vs plainely what we ought to vnderstande and beleue of Gods will and pleasure and therfore all contention set aparte let vs seeke the solution of those thinges which bee propounded out of the scriptures of God which by the testimonie of the holy Ghost be able to instruct vnto all good workes The doctrine of the scriptures teacheth especiallie these foure principles Knowledge Faith Godlines Iustice true brauÌches of a christian mans life It is the parte of euerie Christian to learne to knowe God the Creatour and maker of all thinges to knowe Christ the the redemer of mankinde to knowe the holie Ghost the spirit of sanctificatioÌ what benefits he hath ond doth receiue by these âhree persons vnited in one Godhead which ânoweledge the wise man calleth Perfect righteousnes and the roote of immoralitie Also our Sauiour Christ saith That âhis is eternall life that they know thee âhe onely true GOD and Iesus Christ whom thou hast sent Man created according to gods Image may not be like the Horse Mule in whom there is no vnderstanding or to bee such as God by the Prophet complaineth vpon That the oxe knoweth his owner the Asse his maâters cribb But Israel hath not knowne âny people hath no vnderstanding It beâoueth him to beleue in these three persons and all thinges which he knoweth out of gods booke It is his part and duty moreouer to practise pietie and godlinesse towârdes God iustice and vprigh dealing towardes man But I knowe what you âhoote at Verely to haue vs to beleue and âo stay our selues vpon the aucthoritie of your Church of Rome and the vnwritten âerities of the same Church Because the true Church of God hath not alwaies appeared to the view of the whole worlde in outwarde pompe or shewe Therefore your indeuour to perswade yet I trust in vaine that man doubtfull in conscience and wauering in faith coulde receiue no comfort by that close inuisible and hartles Church as you call it I haue proued before that God hath raised vp in all ages since the beginninge of the worlde such as haue giuen a testimonie of their zeale and true religion vnto the worlde You must not limit and appointe God his Church or vpon whom hee shall power out his graces or in what measure he shall bestow his spirite God by the ministerie of his woorde doeth cure and heale suche as be broken in heart geueth medicine to heale their sickenesse maketh strong the weake faith and doth comforte the feeble minde of man by his holie spirite Gods spirite cannot decay or be of lesse power or Gods churche and spouse lesse honourable albeit there were but one simple man in the vniuersall worlde to mans iudgement which doeth imbrace the trueth of god Though Abell was but one thoughe Elias in his time was but one Noah and his housholde but a small number Christe our Sauiour and his simple Fishermen his Apostles men of no reputation a very few in respect of all the world besides had God therefore âo Churche in these times Notwithstanding the law was corrupted before Christ the true worshipp of God cleane extinguised all the people geuen for the most part âo idolatrie yea and no prophet to reproue the people from Malachie his time vntill
the Scriptures of God onely which are called by Godly writers and Fathers the Pastures for the Children of God to feede in it dooth teache Christ onely to be our Sauiour And no name to be giueÌ vnto men vnder heaueÌ in which we may be saued but onely the name of the onely begotten sonne of God Iesus Christ that his blood doth purge vs from all sinne Your Church of Rome dooth tell the people that they must seeke their saluation in Trentalles of Masses in pardons in their owne woorkes in the bloode of Hales in the blood of Thomas For these be your owne wordes Tu per Thomae Sanguinem quem pro te impendit Fac nos coelum scandere quò Thomas ascendit Which is as much to say O as Christ make thou vs euen for the bloode of Thomas whiche he shed for thy sake to climbe vp into heaueÌ whether Thomas is ascended Seeing therefore that your Church dooth not vpholde and manteine the truth of God but hir owne inuentions and deuises howe can your Church be called The piller of truth Howe can your Church be called the Citie of God or you Citizens of God sith that you wil not submit your selues vnto the Lawes of God set forth by his worde Howe can your church be called The spouse of Christ seing as a bloodie mother you deuide the child and do persecute and crucifie a freshe Christe in his members These titles alledged by you are no doubt to bee vnderstanded of the inuisible Church of God whiche is the number of Goddes electe and faithfull children scattered abroade throughout the whole worlde neither can they be applied vnto your church of Rome whiche is no parte or parcell of Goddes Church for that as I haue saide before she neither holdeth the true doctrine of the Gospell nor heareth the voyce of the onely begotten sonne of God the true and onely pastor and teacher as hee himselfe sayth My sheepe doe heare my voyce and do follow me neither ministreth the Sacramentes truely according to the institution of Christ neither obserueth the voyce in veritie powred foorth by the spirit of God into the heartes of the faithfull true âembers of Christ neither doeth imârace the true Catholike and Apostolike âaith as necessarily the true church of God âoth with full consent and agreement Wherefore to conclude this my answeare I wishe you not to claime and chalenge âhese glorious names and titles vnto âoure Churche vnlesse you were able to âo proue the same by the holy word of God âor the trueth of Gods Gospell shall preâayle will you nill you yea in spite of Mahomete and Antichrist your Pope âud the more that you shall spurne agaynst â the greater harme shall redownd to your âlues Though I am vnknowen vnto you âet this good will I doe beare you that I âoste heartily doe pray vnto God for you âhat your eyes may be opened to vnderâande what his will is set foorth in his âoorde and knowing the same that you âay imploy all your studie to aduaunce ând extoll the glorie of God whiche God graunte you for his Christes sake To whom with the holie spirit be all honour and glorie now for euer Amen 1. 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tongue of your crouching before idolles of the placing of the saide idolls in your Churches of your worshippe done vnto them of your pilgrimages of the supremacie of your holie father the Pope of your vnwritten verities and of all the rabble of your ceremonies ordinances and traditions whiche haue no warrant of Gods worde in whiche you repose saluation and by whiche you greatlie deceiue Gods people Will not the Lorde call you to an accompt for abusing and deceiuing thus his people in giuing them darnell and chaffe for wheate in feeding them with your owne inuentions without anie warrant or authoritie of Gods worde Hath not GOD set downe a platforme in his holie Scriptures howe hee wil be worshipped and serued commaunding That you shall neither adde nor diminishe turne âeither to the right hande nor to the lefte but syncerelie to walke in the wayes of the Lorde And hath threatened moreouer That if anie man shall adde vnto the things whiche bee written GOD shall adde vnto him the plagues that bee written And if anie man shall diminishe from the wordes of GOD his part shal be taken awaie out of the booke of life But either sufficient is spoken âr inough will not serue Onelie this âhing I require of you that you will âot take in ill parte whatsoeuer I âaue written the Lorde is my witâesse that I haue not beene mooued herevnto either of malice or of vaine âlorie neither haue I written or set âowne anie doctrine but onelie that âhich in my conscience as I shall answere at the dreadfull daye of iudgement I am perswaded to bee the verie âueth If you thinke that I haue not âllie absolutely answered your Interrogations and Demaundes which you haue set downe so diffusedlie and out of order repeating some one thing often and in heaping one vppon another without anie reason or iudgement in charging vs and laying those heresies to our charge whiche wee are so farre from mainteining of them as that wee do vtterlie abhorre detest yea flatlie condemne them I would haue âou to note and plainlie sette downe in what thinges I haue failed or what thinges I haue omitted or in what you bee not fullie resolued and I not to haue sufficientlie aunswered you For I am most willing according to that small talent and gift whiche God hath of his goodnesse bestowed vppon mee to imploye my trauell and spende my time in this kinde of exercise Let vs ioyne together in building God his Church for that manie soules bee in daunger by reason of controuersies and contentions whiche bee betwixt vs in that they halte as they did in the time of Elias the Prophete betwixt two opinions doubting what way were best to take Let vs seeke to aduaunce Gods worshippe which is spirituall and must bee done in spirit and trueth GOD is dishonoured either when wee woorshippe anie other then him alone giuing his honor to anie other creature or when wee giue him not that honor whiche hee requireth of vs in his sacred and holie worde or woorshippe him otherwise than hee appointeth The Lord graunt you a penitent hart indue you with true and perfect knowledge that you may seeke the sauing of your owne soule the profitte of Gods âurch and Congregation and the adâncement of his kingdome that âh one heart and one minde wee ây worshippe and serue GOD the âher and his Sonne Iesus Christ in âirit and trueth To whom with the holie Spirit three persons and one inuisible and immortall God be all glorie nowe and euer Anthonie Gilbie vnto the Reader THE miserable Iewes and proud Papistes are both alike deceiued by these and such like carnal cogitatioÌs as appeares in these popishe questions The Iewes will ãâã haue an earthlie Messias to whom all âââs shal be in subiection corporallie viâââ or else they wil haue none The Papists will haue an earthlie church visible kingdome of the same Messias to the which al nations âhalbe subiect or else they wil haue none ãâã poore Christ and his persecuted church âespised of both twaine The Iewes will ãâã of this poore Nazarite for their king ãâã âapists will not haue his contemptible ãâã to be their church The Papists boast âââir antiquitie and succession but the âââs if that wold serue haue better cause âast of both for their antiquitie is farre âââter by manie huÌdred yeres their sucâââon is alowed in the scriptures but the ãâã is successour in nothing saue in that âââer deââed his maister or when as hee ãâã Christ carnall worldlie counsell not to suffer but to spare him selfe Otherwayâ he succeedeth not Peter I say neither â place nor in doctrine neither in forme of gâuernemeÌt nor in maner of liuing so that tâ popish church canne in no wise bee the trâ church of Christ as may easilie bee proueâ The papistes talke of Fathers and of coâsent but what is that without the warraâ of Gods word The papistes will not be of tâ contemptible church they say that is despâsed in the world Christ saith that his churâ must be so They shall deliuer you vp â be afflicted and shall kill you and yoâ shal be hated of al nations for my namâ sake Againe he saith If the worlde haâ you knowe that it hated mee before hated you if ye were of the worlde thâ world would loue his own but becauâ you are not of the world but I haue châsen you out of the world therefore thâ world hateth you Remember the worâ that I said vnto you The seruaunt is nâ greater then his maister If they hauâ persecuted me they will persecute yoâ also These things haue I said vnto yoâ that you should not bee offended Theâ shall excommunicate you yea the timâ will come that whosoeuer killeth youâ I thinke that he doeth God seruice â this is the state of the true churche here ân earth whereby it is euident that the âshe Romishe Synagogue is not the true ârch seeing it is so ⪠loued and honored in worlde Christ the head of the true ârch went vp into heauen by manifolde âctions his members the Prophetes and âostles entred by the same doore of afflicâs not by the windowe of promotions âd holie Paule affirmeth That whosoeâr will liue godlie in Christ Iesus must âfer persecutions That our faith being âd like golde in the furnace as Peter âth might be found precious Thereâre Christ and his Apostles are poore in âis world and like seruants readie to serue âers the Pope and his Prelates like worldâe Princes rich wealthie and lordlie Christ âd his humble and lowlie the Pope his âoude pompeous and haultie Christ his âaied tribute to Caesar the Pope his take Peter pence and other payments froÌ Princes and nations Christ and his suffered humblie afflictions vnder Princes the Pope warreth against Princes treadeth on their neckes causeth them to kisse his pantaphles and to hold his stirrops like a Lucifer and childe of pride Christ and
be more more discouered as in this answere to your questions wil appeare God grauÌt you eies to see it hearts to repent Where you demand quest 1. what church it was that coÌuerted the churches nations to the faith you seeme to aunswere your owne obiection for you say that that Church was Christes Apostles and a fewe mo who by their preachings and others planted Christian religion c. In the which saying you do wel agree with the Apostle Paule who saith to the Colossians That euen in his time the Gospel was fruitfull in all the worlde Nowe you know that your gorgious synagogue of Rome had not then receiued this gospel but did persecute it many yeres after So then it was the poore perseâââed church that brought the Gospel into Antioch into Rome or whersoeuer it was yet truelie planted vppon the earth Againe where you demaund quest â what church hath had the custodie of the Scriptures and most safelie hath preserued them The Iewes would most easilie answere the papistes that it is their church For the Iewes haue kept them so warilie so manie aâ were before Christes coÌming that they durst not alter anie letter or title But if there seemed some cause of alteration by the order of the graÌmer rules as somtimes there did both in the auncient writings old printes there was acipher set downe to cause men to consider it ⪠but no man amoÌgst them was so bold as to aââer anie one iotte Such was Gods great prouidence towards vs that the vâââ âmies of Christian religion should bee the âepers preseruers of those bookes wherâon our christian religion is grounded so âat we should always be able by diuine proâdence to confute both the Iewes and the âistes by the same bookes which by diuine âer haue bin preserued The Iewes more âely and religiously the papists through ârupting some places for their purpose yet âer permitted so far to corrupt the scripâes but that all their errours may easily be âfuted by anie of those textes that they reâed Where you demaund quest 3. why beâe ye our church telling you this to bee âds word and booke and wil not credit her âuouching it to be the true and vndoubted âse of Gods booke The Iewe might aske ââ and vs also this question but wee that âue heard Christ him selfe speake in his âting them in our heartes by his holy Spiâ do answere both Iewes and papists as the âmaritanes did the woman that brought âem the strst tidings of Christ Nowe wee âeleeue say they not because of thy sayângs for we haue heard him our selues ând know that this in deed is the Christ ând Sauiour of the world wee beleeue âim because of his owne word This is true faith onely to depend vpon the word of God and neither vpon the interpretation of the Iewe or Papist or any mans else further then he can manifest his sense by some manifest place of the selfe same word The 4 5. quest may easilie be aunswered by that which is alreadie written Againe where you demaund tauntinglie O Papistes where our principal pastour doth sitt in iudgement quest 6. we aunswere that he alwayes hath don so he now sitteth in the heauens doth pronounce sentence against that Antichrist of yours who doeth sit as God in the temple of God vpon earth and he will shortlie come to take a straight accompte of all inferiour pastours who are fellow elders and fellow pastours as Peter affirmeth And vppon the earth he hath made some Prophets some Apostles some Euangelistes some Pastours some Doctours or Teachers as Paule saith but no Popes no principall Pastours to put him selfe forth of that high office The which office if it had bene so necessarie vpon earth as your papistes do make it neither would Christ him selfe neither all his Apostles vtterlie haue forgotten it As for the place that you continuallie demaunde for where shall wee seeke this âhere shall we finde that Your Question âo small purpose for our maister Christ âe warneth that in these latter dayes âere should be such as should say Loe here â Christ loe there is Christ as it were bin ãâã Christ and the grace of his spirituall âer to a certaine place but he saith beâe them not The church the vineyarde of the Lorde and the true religion is neuer ãâã to place but as the people of anie place âe growne in open contempt the Lorde ãâã taken away the Vineard of his church ãâã the euil husbandmen and giuen it to an other people that would yeelde better âââes So was the place remoued from Ierââlem which had so manie promises to âââoche to Ephesus to the Galatians Coloââans Thessalonians and to sundrie places ââhe earth besides wheresoeuer there ãâã fewe or manie gathered in the name of Christ Christ was among them Christ â their principall pastour whose voyce âe they would heare and thereby were âwne to his sheepe So became they his ârch and people though it were but soule one housholde or familie So became they his sheepe and he their Pastour and principall shepheard and Archpastour though in all congregations he had hâ vndershepheard alwayes who fed the sheepâ and fought for the lambs against the woluâ And both these churches and pastours weâ many times knowne to the true children â the church when they were vnknowen â the wicked world For the children of Goâ who are called the children of wisedome dâ alwayes take hold of the heauenlie wisdomâ and haue that marke to knowe one anotheâ and rest vpon Gods word without any respeâ of person or place or anie earthlie thing â the families of Noah Abraham Lot Isâac Iacob c. hauing Gods woord to waârant them cared not for al the world besideâ whereas all they that depende vpon the ouâward showe of place or persons haue falâ continually from God and so from the trâ church as both before Christ at Christs âming and since Christs comming it is manâfest in the Iewes in the Samaritans in tâ Turkes and papistes in Agar and Ismael â all those that chalenge authoritie by the auncientie and eldership without Gods prâmise Now we contrariwise depending onâ vpon Gods word are the children of promâ â the manner of Isaac But as then hee â was borne after the fleshe persecuted âhat was borne after the spirit euen so âow Neuertheles what saith the scripâ Cast out the bond woman and her âe Our mother church Sara whiche âth onely the worde of promise seemeth â barren desolate and forsaken in the â but God will not forget his promise âefore we wil neither aske him of the ââor of the time nor of the meanes how âll performe it but knowing that hee â begotten his church by his worde wee â also that thereby he will nourishe it âultiplie it and preserue it for euer âhall the world rage against it And â where his worde soundeth wee must âfâr his church And because the Roâynagogue
auouched truely and faithfully the true sense of the Scripture and doo merueile verie much why wee will not giue credit vnto you I will giue you a taste of a fewe places which your Church hath fouly wrythed Where the Apostles yet so rude that they thought with outward weapons to withstand the enemies doo offer vnto Christ two swoordes Pope Boniface doth expound these words saying behold two swords that is to say the Pope hath the power both of the spiritual sword of the teÌporal So they apply corruptly the psalmist thou hast made al things subiect vnto him that is to say to the Pope the catel of the field that is to say men liuing in the earth the fishes of the sea that is to say soules in purgatory the birdes of heaueÌ that is to say the soules of the blessed in heaueÌ Pope Alexander treading most cruelly vppon the Emperour Frederiks neck abuseth this part of the Psalme Thou shalt walke vppon the Aspe and Basilisk the young Lyon and the Dragon shalt thou treade vnder thy feete What need many testimonies seeing that your church hath wrested the whole booke of the Psames which concerne God the father and his sonne Christ to magnifie the Virgin Mary withall that whereas shee acknowledgeth Christ to be her Sauiour and herselfe to be the handmaide of the Lorde you go about to make her a Goddesse and say that she is fidelissima Dei socia a felow mate with God. As also another of your Cardinals calleth her DominaÌ DeaÌ nostraÌ our Lady and Goddesse Where you say that your Church gaue vs knowledge âf the holy Byble it is most vntrue for that you hidd the same in an vnknowne tongue and woulde not suffer the vnlearned to haue the vse thereof And albeit you very rashely impute heresie vnto Luther truely all the heresies which euer he maintained he sucked forth out of the nurcerie of your Church and treasury of your Pope Iâ you knowe anie other in his writings sauing that he defended with you the real presence of Christs body in the Sacrament I would haue you to name it But it is youâ accustomed wont to call vs heretikes although you be not able to prooue that wâ defend any one heresie Neuerthelesse wâ must be content to beare your woordes foâ so the olde Prophets were charged with ââdition and heresie and so Tertullus charged Paule the Apostle beginning his oration with flatterie and ending the samâ with a manifest vntruth We haue saitâ he found this man a pestilent fellowe â mouer of sedition among all the Iewes throughout the worlde and a chiefe maintainer of the sect or heresie of the Nazarets for so the wicked tearmed the true Christian religion as you doe and to answere you fully we say with the Apostle That after the way which you cal heresie so woorship we the liuing God and his sonne Christ beleeuing all thinges which be written in the Lawe the Prophets and the Gospell Papist AGaine what Church is that which hath exercised by Christes appointment discipline vpon offenders in all degrees and for that purpose hath continually executed lawes and canons ecclesiasticall with excommunication degradation suspension and suche like Proue me this geare to haue proceeded from Protestantes or from anie other Churche then from the Catholike and Irecant Answeare Concerning discipline First you alledge excoÌmunication the true vse whereof you neuer had in your Church of Rome sichens it firste declined from the auncient Church of Rome Now as a bloudie mother you send out the thunderboltes of excoÌmunication against all those which reiect your superstitious traditions euen like your grandfathers the Pharisies who in the time of our sauiour Christ did excoÌmunicate all those which did truely conâââse Christ and yet thought they pleased ââd highly Iohn truely did prophesie of ãâã Church that she should excoÌmuniâââe and kill all suche as woulde not worship the image of the beast that is âââeiue the ordinaunces and decrees of the sea of Rome Excommunication wâ not vsed in the primitiue Church but â graue offences as appeareth by the Apâstle Paule who did excommunicate one â incest and Himeneus and Alexander â making shipwracke of the faith of Chriâ They did not in the primitiue Church â communicate without the consent of tâ clergie people which discipline decaâing in Saint Ambrose his time at thâ least in the church where he was he lamâteth in these wordes The olde congregation saith he and the Church following had Seniors without whose counsell nothing was done but I knowe noâ by what negligence it did grow out oâ vse vnlesse it were either by the sloth fulnes or rather the pride of the pastors whilest they onely would seeme to haue the preheminence Saint Cyprian disputing this matter at large speaketh after this maner Euer since I was Bishop I determined to doe nothing without theâ councell of the cleargie and consent of the people But you doe vse this kinde of discipline or rather abuse it priuatly in euery light monie matter but chiefâie against suche as will not embrace your Romishe traditions Iohannes Scotus alias Duns one of your Capitaines who liued about the yeere of our Lorde 1336. complaineth of the abuse of your excommunication and of the Papes keyes sayinââ That excommunication before his time was not vsed but vppon greate and iuste causes and therefore feared but nowe saith he it is broched and published for euerie trifle and therefore groweth in contempt Furthermore you doe neither excommunicate degrade or suspende except it be a verie great chaunce for anie other cause then is aforesaide You haue rules to dispense with your gelding Priestes Si non caste tameÌ caute If that thou canst not liue chaste yet play the whoremonger cunningly You degrade some and when you haue taken your Popish robes from them you turne their bodies to ashes by cruell fier But to knitte vp all in fewe wordes our Sauiour Christe did not promise to ââue behinde him a Church which should ââecute suche ecclesiasticall discipline as ââu haue prescribed or shoulde alwayes ââtwardly in great pompe appeare to the âewe of the whole world But he calleth ââs Churche a little flocke shewing them before hand that in the world They shouâ weepe and lament and haue tribulatâon that the world shoulde reioyce bâ they shoulde be sadde and that as all thâ wicked persecuted him the Lord so shouâ they persecute them his seruauntes dâ proue this and I recant Papist AND because Christ as Saint Pauâ saith hath established in his Chuâche some Apostles some Preachers some teachers and Doctoures eueâ till his comming againe I aske the Protestant what Church that is which is ablâ to shew and proue the continuance and vsâ of those functions euer since Christ his time by plaine accompt of orderly succession and is able to name by the hystories of all ages the notable persons of al the
aboundaunce of his spirit vpon all Iewes Turkes Infidels and Papists that they may imbrace the glad tidinges of the Gospell and become obedient children vnto the maiestie of almightie god Where wee haue peculiar charge in our seuerall congregations wee exhorte with Iohn Baptist all men to repentaunce Wee say with the Apostle That wee are messengers from Christ to moue the people to be reconciled vnto God that we are feâowe laborers to beseech them not to âeceiue the grace of God in vaine shewâng that nowe is the accepted time and the daye of saluation in the whiche the God of all mercies doth offer them âardon of their sinnes for Christes sake âhough they be neuer so manie in numâer if they wil repent beleeue the gosâel We haue no warrant in Gods woorde â which ought to be the square or rule to ââreât all Christians to claime or chaleng ânie such authoritie ouer other nations Christ our sauiour doth denie that superiâritie vnto the Apostles saying It shall âot be so amonge you In deede your Church of Rome doth vsurp this that shee âs aboue all other Churches that all natiâns doe owe their obedience vnto hir and âhat all Kinges and Emperours doe owe âheir subiectioÌ vnto hir as in Peters right âou haue sought and doe seeke the same suâeriority as appeareth by the sayinge of Frederike the Emperour vnto Pope Alexander the thirde most tyrannically treading vpon him and setting his foote in his neck Non tibi sed Petro This submission saith the Emperour belongeth not to thee but to Peter To whom the Pope answered Etmihi Petro It is both due vnto me to Peter The like proud behauiour shewed Pope HildebraÌd vnto Henrie the fourth Emperoure who caused him his wife and his sonne to attende and wayte three dayes three nights barefoote and barelegged before his pallace at Canntium or he would vouchsafe to speake with him But to let these thinges passe of which like examples the histories be plentilull which doe argue the ambition and tyrannie of your church As you haue made oftentimes this offer That if such suche thinges coulde be prooued you would recant So say I againe vnto you if you be willing to play the Proctoures part in the behalfe of your church of Rome and proue these high dignities which shee doeth challenge by the worde of God not onely I but manie thousandes will ioyne handes with your church But you shall neuer bee able to proue by the scriptures that God either in the olde or newe Testament âath promised to establishe anie suche one âhurche in earth which shoulde appeare in âutwarde pompe and externall shewe to âe viewe of the whole worlde continually â endure by orderly succession of anie Apoâolike man in one place or to be of suche âuthoritie maiestie in earth that it might âequire the obedience of all nations sumâoning and citing them vpon paine of exâmmunication to appeare at her generall âessions or Councelles called by her Nay âther the churche of God as I haue declaâd before hath beene for the most part subâct to persecutions of smal countenance â the eyes of man and so small that oftenâmes shee coulde not bee seene as in Elias is time it playnely appeareth as also in âe time in which our sauiour Christ was âuersant here on earth But of this matter â haue spokeÌ at large in other places You âeme to take it as grauÌted to you that you âaue authoritie to call all nations to your âuncells yet it appeareth by the ecclesiâticall histories that you haue no such priâledge or commission but that of right it apperteineth to the temporall magistrate Constantine the great being Emperour ouer all the world did call and summon generall councellâ for the establishing of true religion without the consent of the Pope For so a good writer affirmeth Constantine saith he as if he had bene a common Bishope appointed by God called together councels of gods ministers and disdained not himselfe to sitt in the middest of theÌ to be partaker of their doings Your owne Popes in like manner doe confesse this For Pope Leo writing vnto Theodosius the Emperoure hath these woordes All our Churche sayeth he and our Priestes most humblie beseech your maiestie with sobbes and teares that you will commaund a generall concell to be holden within Italie I do not deny but that your Bishopps of Rome traueled earnestly that no councell shoulde be called without their consentes and to haue this prerogatiue of calling councells but yet they coulde neuer bring it to passe vntill they had gotten the Emperoures heads vnder their gyrdelles and that appeareth by the saying of Pope Pius 2. otherwise called Aeneas Syluius who âdoeth also note the inconueniencie whiche woulde insue thereof By these authorities saith hee they thinke them selues armed that say no councell may be kept without the consent of the Pope Whose iudgement if it should stand as they woulde haue it would drawe with it the decaye and ruine of the Church for what remedie were there then if the Pope him selfe were vicious destroyed soules ouerthrewe the people with euell examples taught doctrine contrarie to the faith and filled his subiects full of heresies ⪠should we suffer all to goe to the Diuâll ⪠Verely when I reade the olde âtories and consider the Actes of the Apoâles I finde no such order in those dayes âhat only the Pope should summoÌ councels And afterwardes in the time of Constanâtine the greate and of other Emperoures when councells should be called there was âo greate account made of the Popes âonsent Moreouer he saith that before âhe councell of Nice eche Bishope liued seâerally and little regard was then had to âhe Church of Rome But concerning âhefe titles wherewith the woord of God dooth beautifie adorneth the true Church of God calling her The spouse of Christ the dearelie beloued of Christ the citie of God c. Let the scriptures Gospel of Christ it selfe conteined in the olde newe Testament be iudge in this matter whether these titles doo belong and appertaine to your Church or vnto ours Our Church affirmeth Christ Iesus onely to be the heade of the Church his Spouse your Churche dooth affirme the Pope to be her head our Church dooth not mainteine any doctrine Sacrament or any tradition which is not grounded vppon the doctrine of Christ and expresly set foorth in the holy Byble your Church dependeth vppon the decrees of man dooth teache such ecclesiasticall ordinances and constitutions to be of equall authoritie with the Scriptures of God setteth foorth fiue Sacramentes more then euer Christ ordeined and corrupteth the other two Sacramentes onely appointed by Christ for these fiue Sacramentes deuised by your church of Rome were brought into England by Otho the Cardinall in the raigne of King Henrie the third in the yeare of our Lord. 1236. To conclude our Church dooth feede Christes people and flocke with