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A10967 An historical dialogue touching antichrist and poperie, drawen and published for the common benefit and comfort of our church in these dangerous daies, & against the desperate attemptes of the vowed aduersaries of Iesus Christ, his gospell, and this florishing state. by Thomas Rogers. Allowed by auctoritie. Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616. 1589 (1589) STC 21237; ESTC S112075 54,518 126

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in English Blessed bee they that heare the word of God and keepe it it is worthilie recorded and to th'euerlasting shame and reproch of Poperie to be remembred T. But the daies are now changed For by their diuulgating the whole new Testament into a vulgar tong they declare themselues to haue a religious care of Gods word Z. Cardinall Cusanus was of that mind that he thought how as the Church by time doth alter so th' interpretacion of the Scripture also may varie whereby that in Th' apostles time was a truth in these daies shalbe an error and contrariwise our papistes in deede though not in word seeme to be of his minde els would they neuer allow that in these daies for good which their fathers condemned as wicked and damnable I meane the hauing the Scriptures in a vulgar tong yet this proueth no whit that they haue in estimation the Scriptures of God T. Why not Z. Marke I beseech you Albeit they haue translated the New Testament into English which for all that most impiouslie they haue done and sacrilegiouslie yet when they holde either as Hosius that there is none other expresse word of God but onely this word Ama or Dilige Loue thou or as another that the gospel is nothing els but the determination of the Church or as the same Hosius that whatsoeuer the church of Rome teacheth that is th' expresse word of God but whatsoeuer is taught contrarie to the sence and cōsent of the Romish church is th' expresse word of the deuil or as Harding doth that to the interpretation which the Church of Rome giueth of the Scriptures whatsoeuer it be is the od and onlie true sence of Gods word it is apparāt that hold what they list for the letre they make their owne imaginations determinations senses consent and expositions euen the verie word of God reiecting thereby in comparison thereof the most holie writinges of the blessed Prophets and Apostles who we know wrote not by the wil of mā but through th' instinct of the holie ghost And this being established by th' auctoritie of the Pope doth not it seat the Pope in the propheticall Chaire not of Moses but euen of Christ himselfe T. Vndoubtedlie Z. And yet end they not here but giue vnto the same Pope that auctoritie which neither Christ would take vnto himselfe nor yet could giue vnto anie creature beside T. What may that be Z. Euen an absolute auctoritie to dispense against the law of God against the law of nature against th' epistles of S. Paul against the whole new Testament and against al the commaundements of God For with these and against all these they say the Pope at his pleasure can dispence T. But so cannot Christ himselfe do For what soeuer his written word any where doth condemne as il and vngodlie by no dispensation can he make it good godlie and allowable at any time Z. It were an endles thing to mention the most horrible dispensations proceeding from time to time from th' infinite power of this arrogant aduersarie of Christ I will therefore mention one of them for the horriblenes thereof which plainlie sheweth what spirite it is that possesseth the Pope T. Shew that I pray you Z. The time was some thirtie yeares ago when the popish preachers in their open sermons published that to kill a Lutheran it was a worke gratefull to God and meritorious But of late not yet fiue yeares ago for à natural and often sworne Subiect and seruant to murther his liege soueraigne it was not onely permitted as pardonal by a dispensation from the pope but also iudged meritorious by a cardinals letre as wherby he should merit much in heauen T. An Indian great man as I haue heard being tormented most cruellie by the barbarous Spaniardes grew into such a detestacion of that mercilesse Nation that he chose rather to go presentlie into Hel then with the Spaniardes to enioy blisse in Heauen For my part Zelotes rather would I chuse to bee for euer debarred from that ioyful paradise of euerlasting happines than to be admitted into heauen by such a meritorious worke Z. The time was and still is that they hold howe by doing good man may merit heauē which yet is erronious doctrine z much derogatorie to the merits of Christ what titles then may wee geue to them which maintaine that murther yea and the murther of Gods annointed is meritorious deserueth a reward from God T. I am of your minde and I thinke euen Satan himselfe can hardlie perpetrate a more execrable sinne But here stay we Zelotes I see now ful clerely blessed be God therefore that al poperie is most lothsome and horrible and there is none ende of citing the most cursed opinions which Papistes do maintaine they are so manie You haue sufficiently proued the pope to vsurpe euen all th' office of our S. Christ and so indeed to bee reputed of our aduersaries for verie Christ but thereby knowen of vs to be verie Antichrist And because others also as Sainct Francis and the Virgin Marie of whom you haue spoken haue the same roialties dignities and offices giuen vnto them by the Papistes which appertaine vnto Christ and vnto none besides the conclusion is that the Gospel of Christ in truth is but à verie toie or fable counted among the Papistes Z. Be it therefore knowen vnto al men by these presentes that whosoeuer is a subiect to the Pope is a traitor to God that I say not to his Countrie and a contemner of Christ and of all Christianity so-wel as the Pope with whom he may assuredlie exspect for euer to be dāned vnlesse in time through the grace of God he leaue his wicked opinions imbrace the sincere gospel of Iesus Christ at this houre in England professed embraced of all States ratified by most wholesome lawes prospered miraculously by al happie successe most constantlie against all manner Aduersaries and deuilish attemptes defended by by the most gratious glorious and victorious Prince Elizabeth whom th' almightie so preserue that she may liue still see the prosperous successe of this truth and th' ouerthrow of all enimies of the same to the great glorie of God hir owne euerlasting comfort Amen a Reuel 17. b Reuel 19. v. 7. 21. v. 9. Demonstr 2. Test. Rhem. annot Iohn 16. v. 13. 17. vers 17. Ephes. 5. v. 24. 29. 1. Tim. 3. v. 13. c N. Sād de vi●ib Monar lib. 8. d Catech Triden in exposit Symb. e Whitak against W. Reinoldes c. 5. f Theol. Wirtemb contra Bellar. p 254. g Fla. Illyricus contra mend Papist h Heshusius de 600. erroribus pontif i Theod. Beza epist. 1. k Caluinus epist S regi Poloniae f. 169. i M Latimer his last wordes in his confer with B. Ridley bout the Lords Supper m Gen. 39. v. 7. 8. c. n