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A34470 A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1656 (1656) Wing C6094; ESTC R215454 85,329 113

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and such a one enjoyes it as possessingly and the other doth not and that makes it more especially unto him and so he have a greater assurance then the other hath because he trusteth in the living God who is the Saviour of all men of which all he knows himself one and so believes it upon a sure ground till which time I could not assure my self Article 15. That if there be but one man of all that ever were or shall be in the world damned no man can assuredly know that his soule shall be saved Answer And if Christ were not the Saviour of all men and I hear but of one man that shall be damned to all eternity and this man not yet pointed out as knowne from all the rest to be the man and Christ come to save the worst of sinners what full assurance then can I have of my savlation more then another of his salvation but some doubts and some feares will arise within me who shall be that man that is to be damned till I see a pardon come forth for all men to be saved and then I knowing my selfe to be one of that all cannot but have a good assurance of my owne salvation this axperince-in me doth witness as also saith the Scripture that I can no more judge any man to eternall damnation but that which is not of God in man Therefore who art thou O man that judgest another and dost the same things thy selfe for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy selfe for thou that judgest dost the same things and who hath made thee to differ from another that thou shouldest be saved and not another wherefore think not better of thy selfe then of another for there is no respect of Persons with God that is more accepted with him but only Christ in all and all in Christ for he hath concluded all men as men under sin and unbeliefe that he might have mercy upon all and then O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God how unsearchable are his judgment and his wayes past finding out for who hath knowne the mind of God or who hath bin his councellor for of him and to him and through him are all things to whom be glory for ever Article 16. That the unpardonable sin of the Holy Ghost is nothing but flesh opposing and quenching the spirit till Christ come into the soule and destroy the flesh Answer To explaine this the Holy Ghost is the spirit the sin against the Holy Ghost is the opposition and war that is made against the Spirit by the fleshly carnall mind for the flesh wa 〈…〉 against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh and these are contrary one to another in man and so saith Paul I find saith he a warring within me that when I would do good evill is present with me 't is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me for with my mind I serve the Law of God though with my flesh the Law of sin and this flesh opposing the Spirit is for a time in every man as a man of sin ruling in them till Christ come into the soule and destroy it which shall never be forgiven in this world nor in the world to come but is the only enemy that God will destroy in man Article 17. That when a soule is once regenerated then he is free from all sin that the flesh is quite destroyed Answer Regeneration is a new birth and the new birth is to be in Christ a new creature free from all sin without which man nor his prayers nor any thing is accepted of God for he heareth not sinners and without holiness no man shall see God but if the Son shall make you free then are you free indeed and him that is in Christ is a new creature old things are past away and all things are become new by the washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost Article 18. That no man shall receive any good by any good that he doth that it shall no way further his salvation Answer If man by his good works could merit heaven then salvation by Christ were made void or if any thing of man which is imperfect were to joyn with Christ in the work of salvation then mans salvation were not all by Christ but by man and would so far be imperfect and then man might boast and say he was able to help Christ to save his soul and so robing Christ of his work would rob him of his honor also but not of works saith Paul lest any man should boast neither by any other name under heaven but by Jesus Christ is any man saved that no flesh might glory in his presence but he that glories let him glory in the Lord that his soul was saved by the Lord Article 19. That no man shall receive any hinderance by any sin he committeth that shall do him no hurt Answer If any sin of man should hinder mans salvation by Christ then that sin would appear to be too strong for Christ to conquer and then no man could be saved for there is no sin but every man is guiltie of for all have sinned and all are guiltie but this I say with the Prophet Elihu that his bad works may hurt a man as he is and his good works may profit men but shall no way profit the salvation of his soul But because good works are good to men therefore would I have all men observe and do them doing unto others as they would others should do to them which is the sum of the whole Law for he that loveth God will also love his Brother Article 20. That our Lord Jesus Christ is the three persons in the Trinity God blessed Father Son and Holy Spirit and that the blessed Trinity is but three manifestation of God Answer The blessed Trinity Father Son and Spirit I acknowledg the Father as begeting the Son as begotten and the Holy Ghost uniting as being the compleat union of all three together in one spirit where they all meet as copartners together in one work that what the one is the other is the same and what the one doth the other doth the same as all but one God manifesting himself under various appearances of Father Son and Spirit to the creatures apprehension Article 21. That our Lord Jesus Christ himself was the Leper that was cleansed and returned to give thanks Luke 17. 15. Answer I say not that Christ was a Leper but there were ten Lepers that were cleansed and one of them when he saw himself cleansed turned back and glorified God and Christ saith Where are the other nine There are not found that returned to give glory to God save this stranger and who was this stranger but Christ in that man that gave glory to God for the work done as Christ saith Father I have glorified thee on
earth I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do for I have raised the dead and cleansed the Lepers and now O Father glorifie thou me and to whom was Christ a stranger but to the other nine for though he had healed them yet he was not manifested in them as an eye to enlighten them whereby to see themselves healed so that there was but one to give thanks for the cleansing of ten and this one was Christ giving thanks to the Father for accepting of him for their cleansing who as yet was a stranger unto them the manifestation of the spirit not yet being given them for which all men come unto him as 't is written Ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the Nations of one man even of the skirt of him that is a Jew saying We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you and look to me all ye to the ends of the earth and be ye saved saith Christ Article 22. That Baptism is of no necessity nor use Answer That that Baptism which is necessary to salvation is of necessity to be used but Water-Baptism was but the Baptism of John and was to end with John being as it was fulfilled by Christ that so Christs own Baptism might take place which was by Fire and the Holy Ghost and of this Baptism there is great necessity because without it no man can be saved Article 23. That there is no place in the whole Word of God that saith there is no Redemption from hell Answer That from that hell which the Scripture speaketh of there is Redemption so saith David Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell and David while he lived was for somtime in it shut up could not come forth the wrath of God lay so hard upon him in his not seeing the pardon of his sins which is hell to all made sensible of it and from which hell there is redemption else what is man redeemed from if not from death and hell which the Scripture saith shall be destroyed and a man must first be in it before he can be redeemed from it but if there be any Scripture in the whole Bible that saith out of hell there is no redemption let it be but by any produced and I shall believe it till then give me leave to believe what I know Article 24. That hell torments are not for ever and the Scripture warrant it Answer That if hell shall have an end as the Scripture saith then needs must hell torments and hell according to Scripture and mens experience is the not injoyment of Gods love and favour and the torments is ignorance of God terror of conscience sorrow of heart trouble of mind being discontented and unsatisfied in his condition all which are hell torments taking place in man for a time until Christ hath overcome them and chased them away by placing in their rooms the joyes of heaven as 't is written Sorrow sighing and mourning may continue for a night but joy comes in the morning and then sorrow and sighing shall all fly away and be no more seen Article 25. That Jesus Christ is not in heaven above Answer That Jesus Christ is the fulness of God and this fulness cannot be subscribed limited or confined to any one place or ●erson locally for it fills heaven and earth and all things therein of its fulness that the heaven of heavens cannot contain him but he is ascended far above all heavens into God himselfe that he might fill all things with himselfe and therein containe all things in himselfe of high and low of things in heaven and of things on earth even in him that in all things he might have the preheminence as one God over all through all and in all therefore to honour Christ with a heaven this is the highest heaven and the greatest honour that can be given to him all which I know him both to be and to have by the witness of the Spirit with the Scripture and my own experience and he that honours not Christ with this heaven he honours him with none at all but dethrones him of his Throne and detains from his glory and such a one as this denies Christ to be in heaven A POSTSCRIPT by friends to comfort the Author of this work in his present Troubles by R. W. L. T Was bravely ventured what three to one And he to keep the field till all were gone But some few men with Swords and Generals Justices of the Peace and men with mauls Consulting the Black-guard their Snakie Den A lodge from whence that cruel Serpenten Spirit of Persecution doth arise Again as 't was in the old Marian daies Else what means it in this our weekly newes From all quarters such dolours to infuse Into our ears which makes us surely think Cruelty shall enter and Justice wink A while to give this bloody Serpent string That so they easie may pluck out his sting From Esam Colchester and this of Kent Tells the Whore rides as though the Skies she 'd rent With her myst'rious fornications gain As though o're the whole world she meant to raign Her Seas nought but mire and dirt cast up To make all drink her filthy wrathful cup Her Merchants roaring bring all to their ways As French sometime Felt-maker in the Mays Rosewell from West to East did rage about 'gainst State when Love by 's sin was rooted out But when thou at Oxford and Glocester try'd Truth then advanced Justice on thy side And quail'd the haughtinesse of Chim'rims pride Whose malice 't was at first to have thee dide In crimson blood and so keep up their trade For which again thou 'rt now a Pris'ner made Go on brave heart let thine enemies know God will them in his fi'ry Oven throw And there perhaps make them his truth Keep Lent for sins or break them on th 〈…〉 FINIS Coll. 2. 2. Chap 1. 27. Tim: 2 Rev. 12 7 8 9 * For the word Chimmerims read Bezaes Translation Zephany 1. 4. Hosea 10. 5. 2 Kings 23. 5. with notes on the Margent As they were at Oxford Worcester Glocester and elsewhere Luke 22. 70. 23. 3. Luke 11. 53. 54. John 16. 2● 1 Pet. 2. 22 2 Cor 5. 21 Isa 53 1 Cor 12. Ephes 5. 34 Jude 9 1 John 3. 8 Isa 53 6 1 Pet 2 24. Redemption from hell John 10 14 Hosea 13 9● Heb 4. 10. Luke 17. 10. Iob 35 6. 7 8. Gallat 3. 10. Psa. 89. 13. 14 15 Rom 11 32 Rom. 19. 21. John 1● 11 Isa 53. 1 Gall 4 4 5 Micah 7 19 Jer. 31 34. Heb● 10 5 Joh. 10 17 18 1 Pet 2 24 John 3 18 Isaiah 53 8. 〈…〉 h 42 6 7 R●v. 1. 17. 18 ●●aiah 26. 19. Iohn 12. 32. Revel. 1. 6. Ier. 50. 5 Heb. 12 last 1 Cor. 3. 13. Isaiah 4 4. Iude 23 Ier 7. 31. 32. 1 Cor. 3. 〈…〉 Isaiah 27 4.