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A89832 Deceit brought to day-light: in an ansvver to Thomas Collier, vvhat he hath declared in a book called, A dialogue between a minister, and a Christian: but by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither. In which answer his lies are returned for the founder to prove; his errors laid open, read, and reproved, and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words. / Published in short for the souls sake, that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty, lest any should believe lies, and so be given up to delusion, and bee damned, by a lover of truth, called, James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N269; Thomason E885_5; ESTC R202981 17,493 32

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with in this booke and send thee them backe to the Founder to prove if thou canst or own thy condemnation for a false accuser and by that time thy Lies be sent back the rest of thy book that concerns us will be soon answered Thy lies be such as these First thou sayest that all our principles are delusions That we hold not any one principle of truth truly as it is in Jesus That we forsake the true way decreed of God for the attaining of Justification which is by faith in Christ crucified That we call Justification by faith in Christ crucified carnal That we have set up an other way to attain justification that is by quaking That we have outed Christ in his great worke of Justification That we have trampled under foot the blood of the covenant That we have counted the blood of the covenant a thing too unholy for us to look at for Justification That we disown Christ in his ascention intercession and the works of his Mediatorship That we have found another way to go to God then by Christ Mediator That we disown Christ in his Authority That we will not submit to Christ in his Word That instead of hearkning to the Voice of Christ in Scripture we hearken to and follow after the Voice of Satan That the best we hearken to is but our own deceitful hearts That we call the voice of Satan in our own deceitful hearts the Voice of Christ That we do obey the voice of Satan in our own hearts though contrary to all rules of God in Scriptures That we disown the coming of Christ from heaven That we disown Christ's Kingdome which is the great and blessed promise of the Gospel the faith and hope of Saints That we disown the Resurrection of the dead in the second appearance of Jesus That we disown the eternal life with Jesus Christ That we own our selves to be perfect That we own our selves to be free from sin entred into a state of Justification not by faith in Christ but by our own righteousness That we own neither salvation nor damnation of any person That our principles are but the principles of the old Ranters That the devil hath hemm'd us in with a pretence of our own infallibility That we will not admit of no sober Discourse nor bring our principles to tryal of Scripture That railing Accusations and hiddeous names is the strength of our Arguments for our way That amongst all the false wayes of Satan there is none more pernicious and dangerous then we are That we undermine the whole body of truth That our way makes an end of Christ in his Person Offices Power and being as a man all at once and so makes an end of Justification and Salvation That we make an end of the Authority of Scripture as a rule That we deny the birth from above by the Spirit That we hold it as our great principle that the light that is in all men is Christ That we turn from the light of Christ shining in the Scriptures to follow our imaginations and fancies instead of Christ That we do but talk of the Name of Christ for a juggle and a cheat That under the Name of Christ we stob him That we lay aside the Man Christ Jesus our lord as a thing of nought That under a pretence of Christ within we take an advantage to murther the true Christ That we are guilty of the great and damnable sin of unbelief in Christ crucified for sin the way the truth and the life That we set up another salvation of our own within us That we sacrifice to our own Nets That we proclaim that all that own Justification through Faith in the blood of the covenant are deceived That we own it as a principle not to submit to any word or law of Christ written in Scripture That we trample under foot the Laws and Ordinances of Christ recorded in Sctipture That we judge all those that walk therein to be Enemies That we proclaim our own righteousness and perfection That we condemn the poor humble souls for publicanes that live in a sight and sense of themselves That we shut up the kingdom of heaven and will not go in nor suffer others that are entering That we will not enter unless we may enter by our own righteousness and not by the blood of the covenant That we leave the weighty things of Faith and Obedience to the Laws and Ordinances of Christ undone as vile and contemptible That we make God a lyar That we destroy civil curtesie as God hath commanded it That we level all conditions and relations making all things common upon this accompt That under a pretence of perfection we bring forth a Religion made up of infidelity disobedience hypocrisie pride trampling under foot the blood of the covenant c. That we are guilty of that Hell-born sin of lying and deceit These abominable folshoods with many more such like hast thou uttered out of thy bosome these lyes comes with as much impudence and boldness as though thou should never be called into judgement for them hereafter nor put to prove them now much like to that scolding spirit which sticks not to call thief and whore freely but when they should prove it falls on their own head this is not the first time this venome hath been cast upon us by that brood whcreof thou art yet to us it sticks not it comes no neerer the truth but out of the lyars bosome that it may return upon the lyars head so take these again and prove us whom thou hasr slandered therewith to be guilty as thou hast said or own thy condemnation for a false accuser before God and all the world before whom thou hast slandered us falsly and before his light in thy conscience to which thou art an enemie lest they remain with thee till the dreadful day of Gods wrath against the lyar and his Father And now thy lies being sent back to the founder the greatest part of thy book as to what thou hast writ against us is answered and come to nought so the foundation is discovered on which thy worke stands take away the lye and thou art disarmed But now seeing thou hast falsly charged us to set up wayes to salvation which are not the man Christ Iesus I shall make it appear to be thy own work to set up a way to salvation to which thou would binde men which is neither the man Christ Iesus nor his Spirit And I shall not imitate thee therein by saying thou dost so and so leave it but first I shall prove it and then let it stand on thy head for ever unless thou deny thy error and repent thus I prove it In thy 15 page thou limits the conversion of all that have been are or shall be converted since the Apostles time to that written by the Apostles and left to after-generations and in thy 17 page thou affirms it to be the absolute rule
when it was not seared Is it like that we should be owned by you in making conscience of every word or can you do any otherwise but abhor it who have thus made shipwrack in your selves and this is the fruits you have brought forth since you have set your selves against the Light of the Spirit which led into tenderness and have set up the Letter for the Light and so being become heart-blinde are you grown past feeling into open lying and wickedness as at this day it is seen and lamented And now do not say this is railing accusation and hard terms which is truth but let the light of Christ which you thus hate search your hearts and pass judgement upon you and own it before the Lord and all the world and give praise to the Son from whom the Light comes for you have nothing else will let you see your hearts and the desperate wickedness that lodgeth therein it 's the light that must search it out and reveal it to you and not the Letter you may read in the Letter what deceit was in other mens hearts but it must be within you that lets you see your own the eye of God it is must let you see and search the dark corners thereof which is desperate wicked and you know it not but by the light of the world which lets all the world see their deceits who doth but minde it which light is that the God of this world hates and above all would blind that eye for which end all his instruments are now at work as is manifest to make shipwrack of Faith that is held in a pure conscience and you in the head thereof of which you must repent and returne to you first tenderness wherein you was once growing out of the elements and rudiments of the world to be led by the spirit of the Lamb where ever he goes and not by shadows which are left desolate because of the wickedness of such as have lived therein and look upon circumcision for the continuance whereof the Jewes had more from the Letter then you have for your way of carnal water for it was said it should be a sign for ever but so was it not said of Water-baptism but the contrary and minde what a generation was left in circumcision when Christ led out by his Spirit from that Ordinance a company of envious murtherers lyars and false accusers who set themselves against the way and light of Christ to devour all that followed his light against whom they pretended the Letter and thought they did right and so do to this day and were you not wholly blinde you might read your selves herein and what hath befallen you since you set your selves to this work every day hardness and more blindeness till you be much more mad in mischief then they was and more blinde for they fought against the Light because it led out of their traditions which was after the letter but yon oppose the light when it leads to the sound words in the letter and calls it Pharisaical and self-righteousuess or any filthy Name to make it odious and abhors it if it be but done in following the Spirit so that to follow the spiritual Light of Christ is abhorred by the devil and his instruments though it be in that which they confess is proper and used in the letter which they say is their Word witness thy 57. and 58. pages And yet with all this wickedness and blindness and much more the like unchristian carriage in your fore-head would you binde all to fall down to your tradition you have set up and worship that or else no Christians nor salvation but all the filth of hell must be raked up and cast upon their godly conversation for no other thing but because we cannot cry up that for salvation which cannot save you witness how you are saved from these wickednesses who worship before it further then in your imaginations believing that obeying that Ordinance as you call it you must be saved from hell when you are dead but to be saved from these wicked wayes while you live you never believe nor doth your god teach any such faith so they that are blinde may deny the leading of Christ in Spirit and follow your shadow which can neither save you nor them But if you would have all to worship what you have set up your called ordinance let it appear to all men what is therein mighty to save Is there some betterness betwixt being a captive to the devil in sin under your water and being a captive to sin under the Parish-Teachers water being both out of the true way declared in Scripture only yours a little nearer in the letter but both one in Spirit Power led captive at his wil who rules in them you who are disobedient to the spiritual Light of Christ wil your water save you more then theirs when you both are unwashed from your sin and live in rebellion against God doth your Ordinance then save you But doth it not appear to all the children of light that you are in the state of the Jews who cryed the Temple the Temple when God was deparred then they that was left in it was become abominable to God that which was the house of God formerly was then become a den of thieves and murderers and liars yet was they as zealous for their Ordinances as you are for your water and had as plain Scripture yea and their Ordinances was in the right form and call whereas yours are not as any of the Saints did ever practice in Scripture declared so if you be not stark blinde read your selves and repent and think not to say The Ordinances the Ordinances when you are both out of form and power for if we must believe you for so saying why not the Priests also who cry the same with you both taken on without true form life or power this we may not do who have heard and learned of Christ But this I say to thee and the rest that are joined with thee herein If he be a God you would have us all to bow to let us see what a God he is whether it be the God of Righteousness or the God of this world and Deceit first let us see that by your Ordinances thou thy self be led to repentance and to confess all thy damnable heap of lies thou hast cast on us in thy book in envie against the light and that as openly as thou hast slandered also repent of thy false Doctrine I have proved which thou hast published and decline thy errors therein And all the rest of you deny your selves and the world and conform to Christ leave your filthy pride and covetousness and abominable conformity to men of corrupt mindes for advantage respecting mens persons and maintaining their abominable worships and worshippers therein And you that say you are Ministers prove your selves in all things as the Ministers of Christ in