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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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gen._n do_v not_o extend_v to_o any_o sign_n as_o to_o the_o corroborate_n or_o confirm_v sign_n or_o sacrament_n viz._n the_o passeover_n nor_o be_v it_o our_o intention_n to_o extend_v it_o so_o far_o as_o if_o we_o will_v wind_v in_o that_o believer_n infant_n may_v receive_v the_o confirm_a corroborate_n sign_n of_o the_o holy-supper_n as_o mr._n tomles_a his_o form_v the_o argument_n will_v seem_v to_o reach_v the_o difference_n be_v too_o wide_a between_o some_o sign_n and_o all_o sign_n for_o we_o to_o conclude_v that_o if_o some_o sign_n be_v due_a to_o they_o to_o who_o be_v the_o covenant_n that_o therefore_o all_o sign_n in_o the_o new-testament_n be_v due_a and_o so_o to_o depart_v from_o the_o design_n of_o the_o text_n in_o hand_n but_o mr._n tomb_n not_o satisfy_v with_o the_o argument_n as_o lay_v down_o by_o himself_o 3._o exercitat_fw-la p._n 3._o make_v divers_a exception_n against_o it_o although_o he_o confess_v that_o the_o gospel-covenant_n be_v the_o same_o in_o 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