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A01272 An other boke against Rastel named the subsedye or bulwark to his fyrst boke, made by Ihon Frithe preso[n]ner in the Tower Frith, John, 1503-1533.; Frith, John, 1503-1533. Disputacion of purgatorye. 1537 (1537) STC 11385; ESTC S105656 24,707 52

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Psalmus .31 And therfore wyll he neuer thrust them in to purgatorye and for proue of this I allege as Rastell bereth me wytnes dyuers textes of Saynt Paull Ephesians 2. Roman 4. 5. 7. 8. but that notwithstondenge Rastell sayethe that I haue not recyted them sufficiently for I haue lefte out sumwhat whyche I haue rehersed for the openyng of the truethe and than brengyth in that Saynte Paull ▪ exhorteth and ●y●deth vs we shall vse no fornicacyon on clennes auarice fylth or folysh speaches for suche shall haue no inherytance in the kingdom of heauen and euen so saye I to but iudge good reader what is this to the purpose for it neyther maketh for purgatorye neither against it This texte I coulde haue alleged yf I had endeuered my selfe that we shulde do good workes which I neuer knew Chrysten man denye but els as touchynge my mater it is nothynge to the purpose and as wel he might haue improued me because I brenge in no texte to proue that the father of heuē is god or to proue that which neuer man doubted of Then he allegeth Paul Roma 5. 6. sayinge though grace do rayne thorow chryste shall we therfore dwel in synne nay god forbyde sayth Paule and euē so say I againe he allegeth Rom. 8. that there is no dampnacion to them which be in chryst Iesu if they lyue not after the fleshe and euen so saye I but Rastell wyll say the contrary anon Besydes that he allegethe Roman 3. we be frelye iustifyed by grace by Chrystes redempcion to shewe his iustice for the remission of synne done before and yet sayth Rastell Paull sayeth that the lawe is not destroyed by faythe but made stable but this hath Frith lefte oute of his booke to cause the people to beleue that they be clene purged by the bloude of Chryste only and that there neade no purgatorye By these wordes you maye euydentlye perceyue what Rastell meanethe by this allegynge of paul for the establyshynge of the lawe verelye that the worke of the lawe shulde iustifye and cleane purge you from synne whyche is contrarye to Paull and al scripture for euen in this same Chapytre that he allegeth Paull sayeth that of workes of the lawe noo flesshe shalbe iustyfyed in his syghte and sayeth that the ryghtwysnes of god cometh by fayth of Iesu Chryste vnto all and vppon all that beleue But as touchynge good workes I wyll touche more hereafter Furthermore Rastell sayeth that yf my argumētes could proue that there is no purgatory it muste folow as well that there is no hell for vs that be chrystē mē though we continue styll in synne for yf we be blessed without spot wryncle or blame that therfore he wyll not caste vs in to purgatorye then he wyll not caste vs in to hell what soeuer synne we do commytte Here Rastell vtterith his blyndnes vnto you and sheweth you what vnderstondinge he hathe in scripture fyrste he armeth hymselfe with a false supposicyon and yet there vppon he concludeth his argument falselye his supposicion is this that all men whiche are baptysed with materiall water are verye Chrysten men and haue the true faythe be those which paule affirmeth to be without spotte blame or wryncle But therto I say nay for euen as the outwarde circumcisyon made not the Iewes the electe people and chylderne of saluacyon so doth not the outwarde baptisme make vs the faythfull membres of Chryste but as they were the chyldren of god which were inwardly circūcysed euen so they that are wasshed inwardly from the cōcupiscens of this worlde are the mēbres of chryste whom Paul affyrmeth so to be purged thorowe his bloude Againe you may knowe that Rastell knoweth no nother fayth but that whiche maye stonde wyth all maner of syn̄e but the faith which we speake of is the same which worketh thorow charyte wherof Paull speaketh Galath 5. They that haue this faythe are borne of God and synne not these that haue this fayth do hope and loke dayly for deliueraunce out of this thraldome and bodye of synne And in the meane ceason they purefye thē selfe as he is pure For yf a mā wyll saye that he knoweth Chryste or beleueth in hym and kepeth not his commaundementes he is a lyar and we renoūce hym to be any of this membre that we speake of And when Rastell sayeth I wolde conclude there is no hell for them that be chrysten mē thoughe they contynue styll in synne I answere he that commytteth synne is of the deuell and I saye agayne that the Chrysten that we spoke of whiche are the chylderne of god can not continue styll in synne but seke all meanes to fulfyll godes commaūdementes Notwythstondinge the chrystē whiche Rastell speaketh of which are the chylderne of the deuel may do as they lyste and in dead they hadd nead to make a frende of Rastell to helpe them in to his purgatorye yf it be any better than hell for they shal neuer come in heauen excepte they repent and walke innocentlye in this worlde as chryst and his lettel flocke haue euer don̄e for they that walke otherwyse are non of his thoughe they were myteres This lyttel flocke it is that are so purged and not Rastels multitude and for this is there nother hell nor purgatorye ordeyned euen as for this hepe that continue styll in synne is ordeyned noo heauen And that there is no hell ordeyned for these faythfull followers of Chryste I wyl proue euen by this worde of Paul why ●he Ra●●ell rehersed before Roma 8. That there is no dampnacion to them that be in chryste Iesu●yf they leue not after the flesh Here Rastell hath smyte the ball quyte vnder the corde and hathe alleged that that shall cōdempne hym For yf there be no dāpnacion but because you are somwhat slow in perceyuing the matter I shal reduce it in to a sillogismus on this maner there is no dampnacion vnto them that be in chryst Iesu yf they ●yue not after the fleshe but after the sprete euery hell is dāpnaciō Ergo their is no hell to them that be in Chryste Iesu if they lyue not after the flesshe but after the sprete This is in the fyrste fygure made by celarent not by any profyte that I thynke that the poore cōmenes can take by such babelinge but only to satisfie your mynde and pleasure Notwithstondynge one thynge I must put you in remēbraūce that you haue falslye translated the texte for the text hath not that condicionall all thought I was cōtented to take it at your handes to se what you coulde ꝓue but the text saith thus thers is no dāpnacion to them that are in christe Jesu which walke after the fleshe but after the sprete where paul doth certifie you that they which are in christe Jesu walke not after the flesh but after the sprete so that you may gather by paull that if
I must dye for it to pacifye my neyghbour the comen welthe but yet I am sure Rastell is not so childish as to thinke that this ciuile satisfactiō is the verye satisfactiō which pacifyeth gods wrath for breking his law for if thou morther a mā shuld dye a c. times for it yet except thou haue satisfactiō of cristes bloud thou shalt be dāpned therto and so I spake that no temporall payne was instituted of god for thentēt that we shuld satisfye gods wrathe therby as it is playne in my boke y● Rastell coulde see The fourthe errour that he layethe agaynste me is that I wolde perswade the people that good workes are nothynge auaylable NOw are we come to the fourth erroure where Rastel vntrulye reporteth on me that I wolde ꝑswade the people that good workes don by any man in this world is nothynge auaylable vnto him that doth them and that it is no hurte nor hynderaunce vnto any man thought he neuer do none Because I saye they iustyfye not before God therfore he thynketh that other men woide vnderstonde me as wyselye as he doth and argue that they are nothynge auaylable but I muste desyre him to put on his spectacle and loke agayne vppon my boke and he shall fynde these wordes Paraduenture thou wylt answer vnto me shall I then do●o good deades I answer yes thou wilt answer me wherfore I answer thou muste do them because god hathe cōmaunded them I answer thou arte lyuinge in this worlde wyth men and hath conuersaciō with thē therfore hath god appointed the what thou shalt do to the profyte of thy neyghboure ●aminge of thy fleshe as Paull testifyethe Ephesi 2. we are his worke in Chryst Iesu vnto good workes which workes god hath prepared that we shulde walke in thē these workes god wolde haue vs do that the vnfaythfull myght see the godlye and vertuose conuersacion of his faythfull and therby be cōpelled to glorifye oure father whiche is in heauen Math. 5. and so are they both● profytable vnto thy neyygboure and also a testymonie vnto the by the which a man may knowe that thou arte the ryght son̄e of they heauenly father and a verye chryst vnto thy neyghbour after teacheth that we oughte to do these workes without hauīge respecte eyther to heauē or hell but attendinge thorow charite the welth of our neyghbour c. I wonder that Rastell is not ashamed to say that I wolde make thē beleue that they ar not auaylable therfore good reader note my wordes fyrst I saye we muste do thē because god hath cōmaunded them is it not auaylable to kepe the commaundementes of god secondaryly I saye that they are to the ꝑfyte of my neighbour is it not auaylable therdely I say that they tame oure fleshe is it not auaylable fourthely I saye they are to the glorie of god is it not auaylable Fiftlye I say they are a testymony to them that dothe thē by the which mē may knowe that he is the verye son̄e of god is that not awaylable belyke Rastell coūteth nothyng auaylable but that which iustyfieth before God he wyl say the son̄e is not auailable because it iustifieth not fyer is not auaylable in his yies because it iustifyeth not c. Thē Rastell saith that I make a wōders worke with the scrypture and allegeth certayne textes that we ought to do good workes which I neuer denied thervppō wolde cōclude that workes saue iustifie plaieth me the bal lustlye ouer the corde but as god wolde there stode a poste ryght in the waye he hytte it so full that it made the ball to rebounde ouer agayne backward for in the alleginge of his purpose Paul sayeth Eph. 2. he hathe cleane loste the game the wordes are these by grace you be saued by youre faithe that is not of you it is the gyfte of god and not of workes that no man shulde glorifye him sefe we are the workes created of god in chryste Iesu which god hathe p̄p●red that we shulde walke in thē here because he wolde haue the latter ende of the texte to serue for his purpose whiche teacheth good workes which I neuer denyed he bringeth in that thynge which clene cōfuteth his opinion for his opinion which in all places he hath laboured to proue is that we are saued by good workes but now marke what he allegeth out of Paule by grace you be saued by your faith that is not of you it is the gyfte of god not of workes For that no man shulde glorifye hym selfe here paule saith plainly that oure saluacion is not of workes so hathe Rastell cast don that he bilt before maye be likened to a shrowde cowe whiche whan she hath geuen a large messe of milke torneth it don with her hele Thus haue I answered to as moche of Rastels treatice as I coulde get yf there be any more which may come to my handes I shall do my diligence to disclose his disceyte so that god geue me leue to kepe the courte with him he shal wynne but lyttel except he conueye his balles more craftly and yet the truth to saye we playe not on euen hāde for I am in a maner as a mā boūde to a poste can not so wel bestowe me in my playe as yf I were at lybertye for I maye not haue suche bokes as are necessary for me neither yet pēne ynke ne paper but onlye secretlye so that I am in cōtinual feare bothe of the Leuetenante of my keper leste they shulde espye any such thynge by me therfore it is lyttel meruel though the worke be on ꝑfeyte for whē soeuer I here the keyes ringe at the dore strayte al muste be conueyed out of the waye and then yf any notable thinge hadd bene in my minde it was cleane lost therfore I beseche the good reader coūte it as a thynge borne out of ceason whiche for many causes cā not ha●e his ꝑfeyte forme shape perdone me my rudenes imperfection Finis ●hryst is 〈◊〉 in ●●to Pet. Paule Cor● 4 ●astell John 3. Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Rastell Frith 1. Tess 1. Hebre. 13. Iohn 8. 2. Cor. 11 Rome 8. ● Cor. 13. Bastell Frith Rastell ●rith Rastell Frith Rastell Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Math. 3. Luce 1● 〈…〉 Rastell Frith Rastell Frith Bastell Fryth Rastell Ephesi 1. Frith ●oma 8. Roma Roma Psal 31 Rastell Frith ●astell Frith Rast● Frith ●la 5. ●ohn̄ .3 ●●hn̄ .3 ●ohn̄ .2 ●e 12. Rom. maio● mino● 〈◊〉 8 ●a 2. ma. 6. ●●hn̄ 2 ●●lip 2. 〈◊〉 1. ●●a 1. Rom ●●tel● ●● 〈◊〉 15. ●● Rastell Frith Hebreo 7 Ephesi 2 Ephesi 2.