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A47203 Truths plea for infants, or, Infants right vindicated in a reply to Jeremiah Ives, chees-munger concerning the baptisme of infants. By Alexander Kellie. Kellie, Alexander. 1656 (1656) Wing K238A; ESTC R216626 26,367 49

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appear so to the judgment of men and yet he calls them Branches in him so we may call Infants Disciples taught of God though we have no certainty of every ones particular Election but a generall ground from the promise for our charitable judgment of all In the eighth page you say J speak indiffinitely leaving out the word All J thought you had known that Indisinitum aequipelet Vniversali 2. You say Deut. 11. v. 1.2 The Lord spoke not outwardly to the Children of Israel What then cannot he therfore teach Infants inwardly inspiring them with the seeds of spiritual saving truth and life how came the Baptisi to leap for joy in his Mothers Womb at the salutation of Mary And though the Lord spoke not to the Children yet the Infants had a right to the token of the Covenant that then was And 3. Yee confess that Infants are made righteous by Jesus Christ and yet formerly you said that in the Command Baptize all Nati●ns such Infants that are made righteous by Jesus Christ are no more comprehended then Turks or infidels You are a sweet youth In the ninth page that which you call a fiction of my brain without one word in all the Bible to wit that Infants are inwardly and effectually taught or else there is no hope of their Salvation You confessed in the seventh page that to be inwardly and effectually taught was to be really and truly regenerated Then I prove what you say cannot be found in the Bible Except an Infant be born again he cannot enter into the Kingdome of Heaven John 3. v. 5. But except an Infant be taught effectually of God he cannot be born again for you confessed the new birth to be all one with this teaching page seventh Therfore except an Infant be effectually taught he cannot enter into the Kingdome of Heaven neither of Grace nor Glory for we must judge him so if he be in the outward Kingdome of Grace and he must be truly so a Child of God taught of God if he be either truly in grace here or glory hereafter If Christ blessed the Infants prayed for them and laid his hands on them then were they in some measure capable of his blessing and prayer and the benefit of the laying on of his hands which could no wise be without regeneration and being taught of God for without it no entry into Heaven neither of grace nor glory to any purpose Secondly I will shew it by a Golden Scripture Chain There is no Salvation but by Christ Act. 4. v. 12. but there is no coming to Christ but by the Fathers drawing John 6 v. 44. But there is no drawing of the Father without this teaching verse 45. Therfore without this teaching to Infants no Salvation Vertue is said to be copulative so is Grace so is this having one Link of the Chain you bring all to you Again in the ninth page you acknowledge from Matth. 19. v. 14. That they were Infants of whom Christ said the Kingdome of Heaven was This is more then ever I knew an Anabaptist confesse yet the more base you to say that such have no more right to the command of Baptisme then Turks Where in the tenth page you say there is eternall life for Infants without the knowledge of God in Christ it is as much as if you said Infants have eternal life without eternal life for Christ saith This knowledge is eternall life Secondly you say there that Infants that know not the right hand from the left cannot know Christ Cal. Instit l. 4.16 sect 19 ●●r non Deus insantibus in presens exigua scintilla ●●gaitionis 〈…〉 A●●b saith o● the Baptist Habuit intelligendi s●nsum qui exult●n 〈◊〉 habuit affectum J answer We are to believe the promises of God though we do not apprehend them by sense as you seemost of the Articles of our faith We beleive them all by faith though they be far above our sense The blind man that knew not white from black yet knew Christ to be the Messeas the Son of David willing to have mercy on him and able miraculously to cure him The young Prophets that knew not poyson from Pot-hearbs when they put a Goord in the Pot yet they knew much of the Mysteries of Heaven and they knew the very day when Elias should he taken from Earth to Heaven In the eleventh page you say they that know God will trust in him and indeed this saying is convertible for they that trust in God do know him but Infants trust in him therfore know him Psal ●2 And wheras you say there appears as much knowledge of God in a Turks Child as in a Christians it is false for they have not both the like promise and the profession of the Parents is a sufficient distinguishing note and especially the Text we are handling manifesteth more in our Children then in Turks That which you speak of Armenianisme I have answered already in answering to your seventh page Next you bring in Heb. 11. where it is said Without saith it is impossible to please God here I make an argument against your self All they that please God have saith but Infants please God therfore c. In the twelfth page you bring in James 2. v. 17. where he saith Faith without works is dead that place is meant of them that are of age in whom faith should appear not only in the budd and flowers of Profession but in the Fruit of good works yet this makes nothing against Children in whom faith may be in the seed and root If a Tree have neither leaves nor blossoms nor fruit in Spring Summer nor Harvest then it is dead and yet it may be a good Tree though nothing appear in the first of January The rest that you have in the twelfth page is nothing upon the matter but what you said and J have answered before In the thirteenth page you cry out of my miserable blindnesse and that J miserably abuse the Scriptures Isa 65.20 J am sure you are a miserable bold fellow and they are miserable blind that follow you for their Guide If you say that Infants should live a hundred years before they dye a naturall death you make the Scripture false for Infants do not live so long if you mean their Estate in glory that is likewise false for there they do not dye therfore my sense of the place is better agreeable both to Truth and Text which speaks both of death and life and in that sense many such Infants I baptize But for you Anabaptists you live so long old Disciples many of you till yee become more fit for the water to be drowned then to be dipped Yee come in impertinently with the Midwives sprinkling on the face Amphora caepit institui currente rota cur Vrseus exit In the fourteenth page my Master Ives brings in his Non sequitor and in that page you say Acts 8.37 God hath prescribed believing there to be the