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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

offer yt any violence to frame it to an imagined conceit and to drawe it to an idle purpose Then noe meruaile if the Ignorant bee deceaued and seduced by such writers and preachers when noe Catholicke may bee suffered to write or speake against them though they haue by all meanes they can make moste humbly fought for equall Audience which the Protestant Author of the Relation of the state of Religion in some sort insinuateth in these words Catholicks crye maynely in all places Relation of Religion cap. 29. for triall by disputation thus did Campion many yeares since with vs T●is ●s I passed t●r●ughe Turricke did the Cardinall Andrea of Constance and his Iesuites not longe before the same was done to them of Geneu● and v●rye lately the Capuchins renwed the chall●ndge Yett none will bee accepted nor other answeare returned but such sermons writings as wee haue related before and M. Ormerod describeth in thes words Ormer pict purit supr l. prefat in postscript diuers bookes printed against the papists are as fitt for the fyer as the con●uringe bookes ca. 19. Act. ver 19 and the publishers of such phantasticall bookes should bee hanged Book●s are written by protestants and suffered to bee published which bee a greate disgrace to protestant Religion Besides their argument of persecution remembred by the same author in the name of protestants in this maner The Clin●e t●e Gatehouse the Ormer pict purit g. 1. white lyon and the f●●ete haue be●n● protestants onely Arguments whereby they haue proued their cause those many yeares Hee might haue added moste bloodie rigorous and iniurious edicts Tortures penalties arraigm●nts iudgments executions c. And yett they haue gayned noe more then Iulian and other persecutors haue done Gods Auger vnto themselues and glorie and euerlastinge renounce vnto Catholicks for such sufferings registred by their owne protestant writer a man of greate witt worthe and place amonge them in these words The sufferings Relation of Religion cap. 31. and martirdomes of english Catholicks in these time are recompted to the height of Neroes Dioclesians persecutions and the sufferers of their side bothe in meritts of cause in extreamitie of Torments and in constancie and pati●nce to the renouned Martyrs of that heroicall church age Thus this protestant relateth the iudgment of forreyne nations concerninge english protestant persecutions towards their contry Catholicks The 10. particular protestant demonstration is Because these protestants contrarye to the nature of true beleeuers and the true church by their owne doctrine are by their owne testimonies alsoe generally moste vile wicked impious and gracelesse people MY next protestant demonstration shall bee taken from their lyues maners and behauiour Befor which I s●ppose the common doctrine of these protestants That good ●orkes and true faith cannot bee separated testified not onely by D. Willet D. Feild M. Thomas Rogers Willet Antilog p. 207 Feild Rogers pa. 55. pa. 56. Articles of Religiō art 12 and others but alsoe by their highest authorised articles in these words Good workes doe springe out necessarily of a true and liuely faith in soe much that by them a liuely faith may bee as euidently knowne as a tree discerned by the fruite Therefore seing there is as they tell vs an euident and necessarie coniunction of these they cannot bee seperated which M. Rogers would not onely proue by scriptures in this maner Rogers sup cil Matth. 7. 16 Math. 3. 12 Ihon 13. 35 luk 6. 36. Eph. 1. 1. 1. Ihon 3. 10 Cōfess Helu 2. ca. 16. Basil ar 8. Bohem. c. 7. Gal. ar 22. Belg. 24. Saxon. ar 3 Wittēb c. 7 Sueu c. 4. Powell l. 2. Antichrist p. 474. 476. The scripture saith and sheweth that by good workes are knowne the good trees from the b●dd the wheate from the chaffe the true disciples from the false the sonnes of God from the children of Sathan the regenerat● from the vnbeleeuers Hereticks vnto the Saincts and churches doe subscribe And citeth the protestant Confessions of Heluetia Basile Bohemia Fraunce Belgia Wittemberge Sueuia for thie subscription and doctrine To these I add an other receaued doctrine of protestants of the certayntie of their being in true faith grace and to bee predestinate entreated before and soe confidently taught that M. Powell calleth it blasphemye to deny yt his words bee these It is blasphemous doctrine to say as the church of Rome doth that saith is onely in generall propositions as hee that keepeth the commaundements shall enter into life and hee that b●le●ueth and is baptized ●hall bee saued and not in these particulars I shall enter into life I shall bee saued or my synnes are forgiuen Then if as before by their doctrine true faith and good workes are euidently and necessarilie conioyned to gether and vnseperable it is blasphemous by true consequence to say that a man or men or church wantinge good workes by their owne confession and alsoe ouerwhelmed with euill workes and all kinde of syns and iniquities haue true faith true Religion or church or shall bee saued wherevppon I argue thus Noe men societie or Congregation conuicted by their owne testimonies to bee ●ereticks which want true faithe can haue those things that are in their iudgment vnseperable from yt which bee good workes But these english protestants as is proued before by them selues are in this case Therefore they haue not good workes Therefore not the true church Therefore not to bee communicated with in Religeous busines All things in this argument are proued before and confessed by these protestants Againe I argue in this maner noe men infected and defiled with such euill works as depryue and leaue men destitute of grace can haue good workes done by grace and in grace But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this condition Therfore they haue not good workes of grace The maior is euidently true for to haue grace and not to haue grace are contradictories Therefore if it bee true that protestants haue not grace it is false to say that they haue grace The minor proposition is manifestly proued before in that protestants are proued by themselues to bee Scisma●icks vsurpers in Religion prophane lyers dissemblers feducers c. which being mortall and damnable fyns must needs depryue them of grace and leaue them gracelesse For as they conclude in their Conference euery Conferenc● pag. 41. greuous synne depriueth of grace and iustification their proposition there is this whosoeuer though before iustified did commit any greuous syn as adultery murther treason or the like did become ipso facto subiect to Gods wrathe and guilti● of damnation quoad prasentem statum vntill they did repent Therefore protestants by these their owne doctrines haue neither good workes nor good beleife or faithe And soe not to bee communicated with in such busines of Religion And from this soe generally receaued protestant doctrine of England Heluetia Basile Bohemia Gallia Belgia Saxonia Wittemberge that the want of good workes is

they were noe Bishops being of necessitie either made by a woman which they confesse could not doe yt or by the pretended Bishops of kinge Edwards makinge vtterly alsoe as before condemned by lawe and the Iudges themselues And yett of thes twoe ab●urdities that which was the worst and moste absurde to bee made by a woman vncapable must needs bee their case For the new Booke of cōsecr statu An. 3. Ed 6. ca 12. Stat. 1. Mar. Booke of Article● of Religion 1562 articul 36. Stat. An. 8. Elizab. c. 1. forme and fashion of making pretended Bishops and preists in the time of the child kinge Edward the sixt abolished by Queene Mary was neuer reuiued by the english protestants vntill their booke of Articles made in the fourth or fift yeare of Queene Elizabeth made in their conuocation consisting as before is euident onely of lay men without authoritie receaued yt and was neuer allowed by parlament vntill this in the eight yeare of Queene Elizabeth Soe that by noe possibilitie thes after Acts if they had beene powerable in religeous causes the contrary whereof is euident could make soe many yeares before pretended and vnlawfull Acts and consecrations now to bee true and lawfull Therefore thes pretended protestant Bishops and Ministers can by noe power by their owne proceedings bee lawfull wanting both true forme matter maner men ordering and the Acts and Cōc Floren. in ●niō will apud ●arkes p. 137. 180. Park ib. ●il● sur● p. ●2 mort pa 2 Apol. p. 340 l. 4 c. 18 Relat. ca. 47 ●eild p. 202. 218. functions themselues as is before proued and ●ppeareth by the councell of ●lorence which D. Wille● M. Parkes and others allow for generall which D. Bil●on D. Mo●ton their Relator of Religi●n and D. Feild assure vs hath supreame power and authoritie to commaund all whomsoeuer to obey the definitions thereof Neither need I appeale to generall councells though their graunt in this Question for by their owne parl●ments Articles common writings and publicke doctrine yt is more then euident that their pretended Bishops by whome their ministers and other pretended Bishops bee made bee noe more Bishops then their ordina●y ministers none at all noe more then all lay men bee noe more nor soe much as kinge Edward 6. a child Q. Elizabeth a woman and our present and euer of mee moste honored kinge Iames were or is by their proceedings which is thus made euident by their owne Religion Euery distinct order hath some really and essentially distinct Act and office to execute which others from which it is distinguished haue not nor can performe But the pretended callinge of protestant Bishops in England by their owne proceedings hath noe such really and essentially distinct Act or office Therefore by their ow●e Religion it is noe distinct order The m●ior proposition is euidently true for euery dist●●ct Order power facultie or habilitie spirituall or other is soe knowne and distinguished The minor proposition is thus proued by themselues For whereas our Pontificall and scholes ascribe to episcopall Order Pōtifical in Ord. Sacer. ep●schol insacr ord in 3. p. d. Th. c. Articles of Relig. Artie sacram c thes Acts to cōsecrate Christne giue twoe sacraments Orders and confirmation thes protestants by their publick Articles and practice both deny all thes and yett ascribe noe other peculiar Act or office to their pretended Bishops make ministers and confirme children I answeare they deny both them to bee Sacraments and soe hauing noe misticall consecration but being onely ceremonies may bee vsed by men noe Bishops and soe in all protestants Presbyteries pretended ministers allowed by them are made by onely ministers and where the ceremonie of confirmation is allowed by protestants out of England it is al soe ministred by onely ministers and if thes doe not giue grace effectually as they say it is not necessarie to appoinct a distinct order for their ministration Soe there is now nothing left for thes pretended Bishops but pretended iurisdiction but this is from the kinge that is Queene Elizabeth and kinge Edward 6. before supreame in this busines and soe by their Religion more truely and better Bishops then Ridley Parker Whiteguift or any of that pretended calling And as the pretended Commissioners Stat. Ed. 6. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe tom 2 in Ed. 6. Eliz. Holin supr c. of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth related by their Statutes Foxe Hollinshed others withall power from them to reforme Religion were in thes mens doctrine more worthie the name of Bishops then they which haue that name but want that office power Soe his maiestie in their Religion by his supreamacie inspirituall things may by his letters patents and commission not onely with kinge Edward and Q Elizabeth authorize his Foxe in Ed v. in B. Card Stowe Hollinsh Speed c. An. 1 Eliza in histor lay Councellors and mere temporall men to Iudge depriue and depose Bishops but to bee allowed for Bishops Archbishops and higher patriarkes without any consecration or other ceremony They which gaue this power to Q. Elizabeth and our Soueraigne were onely lay men and neither any of them in particul●r or all in generall equall vnto him that is supreame Therefore it is his power by their doctrine at his pleasure without any ministers concurrence or consent to take order and neuer more neede then when their Religion is become a mockery of all true Religion in thes affaires and to make any the meanest subiect without any im●osing of handes speaking or prayer ouer him or other complement in such busines greater in callinge and dignitie then hee that beareth the name Archbishop primate of all England amonge them But the present soe named Archbishop of Obiect Canterbury director of M. Mason and his directed scholler perhaps will say that allthough D. Sutcliffe and too many others to bee cited and the said soe called Archbishop himselfe in and at other places and times for their adnantage and to serue their turne doe teach affirme as a matter of faith that the Pope is Antichrist noe true Bishop preist or maker of such yett in this their worke asscribed to M. Mason they confesse the contrary and therein they affirme that one of their pretended Consecrators Barlowe was a true Bishop and made by Romane or true catholick Consecration in the time of kinge Henry 8. And soe in time of necessitie such as their begynning was might make a Bishop Alas I cannot tell how to make Answ answeare to this obiection or rather petition not for any difficultie conteyned in yt But for feare of offence in speaking truth and giuinge the lye to soe many protestant Bishops and Doctors before soe confidently telling vs they doe not differ in any essentiall or materiall point of Religion such as this is But put into this perplexitie I must vse this Dilemma if their first opinion That the Pope is Antichrist and cannot

a knowledge and distinguishing signe belonginge to chaffe false disciples children of Sathan and vnbeleeuers to discerne them from the true beleeuers and seruants of God I argue thus Noe societie Congregation or companie of men which by their owne testimonies doe not onely want good workes but bee generally defiled with most heynous and greuous syns can bee the children of God true beleeuers or to bee communicated with in causes of Religion But the english protestants are in this condition Therefore not the true beleeuers true church or to bee communicated with in spirituall things The maior proposition is the common doctrine of all those protestant churches before remembred And the minor proposition of the impietie and wickednes of protestants is thus proued by their owne writings M. Hull speakinge of his fellowe protestants writeth thus These are the dayes whereof our Sauiour Hull Rom. polec pref●● Christ and his Apostles soe longe agoe prophesied wherein charitie should waxe colde and faith should searce appeare wherein men should bee ●●idebacks from Christ and Apostates from true Religion wherein they should bee louers of themselues couetous cursed speakers disobedient vntankefull vnholy true breakers false accusers despisers of them that are good traytors headie high minded louers of pleasures more them of God hauinge a shewe of Godlines but haue denyed the power thereof yea wherein men are become vsers newters temporisers Atheistes An other protestant writeth in these termes The protestans Cort. consid●rat An. 1605. epist d●dicat Religion of England is much like an euill herbe which if it bee not speedely rooted vpp but suffered to spreade will soone ouerspreade the gard●ns of God with vice and impietie as there will scarcely Willet Antilog pa 28 hath these words Wee iustely complayne of the prophanes of these times and of the ouerflowinge of iniquitie euen where Religion is moste puerly professed Then that Religion must needs bee Parkes Apolog epist dedicat impuer by their former doctrine M. Parkes alsoe speakinge of protestants speaketh in this maner euery man maketh Religion the handemaide of his affections We● are come to that declinge age of the worlde foretolde by the Apostle 2. Tim. 1. 2. 3. 4. wherein men should bee louers of themselues fastidious arrogant couetous maledicous immorigerous c. for euen such are these our times selfe loue hath banished sobrietie prid● humilitie malice charitie disobedience dutie dissention vnitie prophanesse sanctitie and in a 〈◊〉 sayned zeale true deuotion Concerninge the pretended ministers how far they are ouerwhelmed with wickednes is spoken befor To which I add these protestant testimonies M. Ormerod writeth thus The taunts and contumelies Ormer pict pur f. 3. l 4. of Ministers against Ministers are vnchristean they refuse to salute one an other but one spitteth in the face of an other wishinge the plaque of God to light vppon them saying they were damned Neither is this peculiar to english ministers for the protestant relator of religion writeth thus of forreyne ministers In the diuision Relation cap. 4● of protestants into their factions the ministers haue soe behaued themselues that it threatneth a greate ruyne and calamitie neither is there any greate doubt but if any stay and agreement could bee taken with the turke all Germanie wers in daunger to bee in vproare within it selfe by intestine dissention To this lamentable extremitie hath the headines of the mininisters brought it But of their moste wicked both doctrine and behauiour against princes and common wealthe I will entreate hereafter In the meane time it i● allreadie euident that this moste vile and prophane state of wickednes is not in some few as may bee fownde amonge men of true Religion not lyuinge accordinge to the rules thereof But generall and vniuersall which must needs proceede from the nature of their pretended Religion it selfe hauing in yt and publishinge to the worlde to all men to vewe and followe soe many errors tendinge and leadinge vnto all libertie and licentiousnes of life and neither hauinge sacraments or any instrument of grace to preuent synnes and their occasions in any callinge or state of men marryed o● vnmaryed olde or yonge cleargie or laitie lyuinge or dyinge nor any one rule to warrant vnto them for true faith any one article which they hold whether in yt selfe it bee true or false all which more absurdities of such nature are demonstratiuely befor proued against them by their owne writings The 11. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the English protestants by their owne writings are not onely enemies to the temporall princes claime of supreamacie in ecclesiasticall causes aduauncing their Bishops and presbyteries aboue yt but deny alsoe his suu●ranitie in matters temporall by their consequences NOw lett vs come to those Questions for which soe many Catholicks and Religeous parsons haue suffered Martyrdome and moste greuous persecutions in the times of kinge Henry 8. Queene Elizabeth and our present Soueraigne kinge Iames the claymed supreame spirituall power of temporall princes in cause ecclesiasticall in this kingedome and that power and Authoritie concerning temporall princes which these english protestants affirme Catholickes doe giue to the Pope of the highest apostolicke See of Rome proued before by these protestants to bee supreame heade gouernor an earthe of Christs churche and greatest commaunding iudge in spirituall causes I am to proue in this demonstration That these protestant Bishops puritanes and presbyterie by their owne testimonies giue not soe much power and authoritie to the tēporall prince as wee doe And yett arrogate challendge to themselues in their pretended Bishops and presbiterie more commaunde iurisdiction and authoritie ouer temporall kings and princes then Catholicke writers and scholes allowe or attribute to the Pope of Rome And that if the parlament had framed an oathe as much concerninge the power of their Bishops and presbiteries as their soe named Oathe of alleadgeance concerneth the Popes priuil●dges Noe protestant or puritane by the groundes of their Religion should coulde or might haue taken yt What they would or will doe in such a case I dare not vndertake for men soe conuicted before to bee by their owne testimonies most notorious dissemblers deceauers willfull seducers lyers periured and foresworne people in matters of Religion And this is made moste manifest that allthough they generally condemne their owne Religion for hereticall their seruice for damnable their ministery for Antichristian or none at all their supposed ordination for ridiculous The articles of their Religion for false and erroneous Their Canons and Censures to bee vngodly vnlawfull as is proued by themselues before and absolutely deny the kings supreamacie in most daūgerous degree as will be euidēt against them by their owne writings in this Chapter yett contrary to all ●ruthe Religion conscienc● and morall honestie they haue generally sworne protested subscribed vnto and doe practice to their owne damnation in these